"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
I see Oil heading for $60 a barrel, will not be long till it is expensive enough to be a burden to Scotland again.
In 22 days time the pumps will turn on for US shale gas and half of 'big oil' senior management will be in the administration, I wouldn't bet on prices staying high for long.
Isn't it in the interests of "'big oil' senior management" to have high oil prices? Low oil prices hurts "big oil".
People buying Russian or Saudi oil rather than US oil hurts it more I would have thought ?
Depends who you're talking about. Big oil and the US are not the same thing. Big oil like ExxonMobil, Chevron, Halliburton etc are global corporations with a global reach working with oil fields across the globe who benefit from high oil prices.
The US shale gas revolution has been the opposite of big oil. It has been lots of small corporations and American entrepreneurs unlocking the US's shale gas potential and driving down the oil price against the interests of big oil.
It is also worth noting that the big oil companies are like other big corporates. Divisions fight among themselves. So even within a Major, the non-conventional gas people are in competition with the traditional guys.
Ho-hum, a few of the very extreme Remoaners still spitting out dummies. Ah, diddums.
You lost, these things happen. Wailing and sobs of despair won't help you.
The moving finger has writ. Man-up (or whatever the current phrase is).
You seem to have this quaint notion that remainers are "wailing sobs of despair" whereas most remainers I talk to are thoroughly enjoying watching you lot wriggle and squirm whilst trying to put your money where your campaigning mouth is. For the next couple of years it is undoubtedly Remainers that will sitting in the front row with the popcorn. Most of the Leavers on here are already so touchy and aggressive and that's before the fun's even started.
I don't quite understand you. In what way is Trump necessary for Brexit?
Because of the psychological blow it will deal to Farage and the loonier Atlanticists in the Tory party if Trump turns out not to share their disdain for the EU.
That still makes no sense (not least the notion that Trump is a closet Europhile).
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
d) What wine would you serve, with the cheese, to the abominable snowman if he turned up?
Ho-hum, a few of the very extreme Remoaners still spitting out dummies. Ah, diddums.
You lost, these things happen. Wailing and sobs of despair won't help you.
The moving finger has writ. Man-up (or whatever the current phrase is).
You seem to have this quaint notion that remainers are "wailing sobs of despair" whereas most remainers I talk to are thoroughly enjoying watching you lot wriggle and squirm whilst trying to put your money where your campaigning mouth is. For the next couple of years it is undoubtedly Remainers that will sitting in the front row with the popcorn. Most of the Leavers on here are already so touchy and aggressive and that's before the fun's even started.
I am still not quite clear who these "remainers" and "leavers" are, or even how to vote for them since both the leaders of the main parties supported remain (at least nominally)
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
d) What wine would you serve, with the cheese, to the abominable snowman if he turned up?
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
On TV shows that should've been interesting: I watched two and a bit series of Lost. Too much skirt, not enough thigh. I don't mind tantalising, but there has to be a pay-off at some point.
If Lost were a porn film, it'd be a man arriving to fix a housewife's sink. And then fixing her sink and leaving. Then returning, because he forgot his plunger. Then leaving. Then we'd see a flashback of him going to plumbing school. The plunger would remind him of his dead brother, who died on the toilet.
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
d) What wine would you serve, with the cheese, to the abominable snowman if he turned up?
Most people in that region seem to drink spirits rather than wine. Which might or might not be appropriate.
I don't quite understand you. In what way is Trump necessary for Brexit?
Because of the psychological blow it will deal to Farage and the loonier Atlanticists in the Tory party if Trump turns out not to share their disdain for the EU.
That still makes no sense (not least the notion that Trump is a closet Europhile).
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
It's death by a thousand cuts. If the Anglosphere proves to be worthless even with 'Mr Brexit' in the White House, what Brexit vision is left?
@ david herdson "In terms of the respective effects, Iraq was far more damaging than Suez."
LOL. One ended our nation's pretentions to be a top world power and pushed us firmly down to the second table, while simultaneously ending any international defence of colonialism, giving rise to a US-dominated international order, particularly in international organizations.
The other ... ??? Messed up and already messed up Middle East? Removed Labour from power (after a delay) for 3, 4, 5 elections/ever?
Just don't get how Iraq even comes close in significance, either to Britain or the world.
Suez simply demonstrated an underlying reality. Domestically, it got rid of a PM and that was about it (it only realigned foreign policy indirectly due to the replacement of Eden with Macmillan).
By contrast, Iraq destroyed trust in politics for a huge number of people. It set of a whirlwind of chaos in the Middle East - to say it "messed up an already messed up" region is trite: it didn't have civil wars raging across it in 2003 - the instability that our intervention brought did that. It distracted from the war in Afghanistan and let that drag on. It enabled Islamic extremists to flourish when they should have been snuffed out. It did serious damage to Britain's position in Europe and the wider world. It demonstrated a complete unwillingness to even consider a foreign policy independent of the US.
Suez revealed the post-war world as it was; Iraq created a new and much worse one.
On TV shows that should've been interesting: I watched two and a bit series of Lost. Too much skirt, not enough thigh. I don't mind tantalising, but there has to be a pay-off at some point.
If Lost were a porn film, it'd be a man arriving to fix a housewife's sink. And then fixing her sink and leaving. Then returning, because he forgot his plunger. Then leaving. Then we'd see a flashback of him going to plumbing school. The plunger would remind him of his dead brother, who died on the toilet.
I don't quite understand you. In what way is Trump necessary for Brexit?
Because of the psychological blow it will deal to Farage and the loonier Atlanticists in the Tory party if Trump turns out not to share their disdain for the EU.
That still makes no sense (not least the notion that Trump is a closet Europhile).
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
It's death by a thousand cuts. If the Anglosphere proves to be worthless even with 'Mr Brexit' in the White House, what Brexit vision is left?
The desperation with which this wholly unlikely story is being shored up and fettled is beginning to sound like the products of a fevered mind You might want to lie down in a dark room until after Article 50 is enacted
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@ david herdson "In terms of the respective effects, Iraq was far more damaging than Suez."
LOL. One ended our nation's pretentions to be a top world power and pushed us firmly down to the second table, while simultaneously ending any international defence of colonialism, giving rise to a US-dominated international order, particularly in international organizations.
The other ... ??? Messed up and already messed up Middle East? Removed Labour from power (after a delay) for 3, 4, 5 elections/ever?
Just don't get how Iraq even comes close in significance, either to Britain or the world.
Suez simply demonstrated an underlying reality. Domestically, it got rid of a PM and that was about it (it only realigned foreign policy indirectly due to the replacement of Eden with Macmillan).
By contrast, Iraq destroyed trust in politics for a huge number of people. It set of a whirlwind of chaos in the Middle East - to say it "messed up an already messed up" region is trite: it didn't have civil wars raging across it in 2003 - the instability that our intervention brought did that. It distracted from the war in Afghanistan and let that drag on. It enabled Islamic extremists to flourish when they should have been snuffed out. It did serious damage to Britain's position in Europe and the wider world. It demonstrated a complete unwillingness to even consider a foreign policy independent of the US.
Suez revealed the post-war world as it was; Iraq created a new and much worse one.
Well said Hurst, a clusterfcuk of epic proportions
Anybody got any idea why the normally dull Theresa May has decided to make a complete idiot of herself over the comments by John Kerry? Is this what we can now expect from this 'johnny no mates' government now that we've cast ourselves adrift?
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I don't quite understand you. In what way is Trump necessary for Brexit?
Because of the psychological blow it will deal to Farage and the loonier Atlanticists in the Tory party if Trump turns out not to share their disdain for the EU.
That still makes no sense (not least the notion that Trump is a closet Europhile).
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
It's death by a thousand cuts. If the Anglosphere proves to be worthless even with 'Mr Brexit' in the White House, what Brexit vision is left?
That the EU is an undemocratic, bureaucratic, sclerotic federalising bullying monster that eats up £10bn of British contributions a year and that freedom from it might be a good thing.
@ david herdson "In terms of the respective effects, Iraq was far more damaging than Suez."
LOL. One ended our nation's pretentions to be a top world power and pushed us firmly down to the second table, while simultaneously ending any international defence of colonialism, giving rise to a US-dominated international order, particularly in international organizations.
The other ... ??? Messed up and already messed up Middle East? Removed Labour from power (after a delay) for 3, 4, 5 elections/ever?
Just don't get how Iraq even comes close in significance, either to Britain or the world.
Suez simply demonstrated an underlying reality. Domestically, it got rid of a PM and that was about it (it only realigned foreign policy indirectly due to the replacement of Eden with Macmillan).
By contrast, Iraq destroyed trust in politics for a huge number of people. It set of a whirlwind of chaos in the Middle East - to say it "messed up an already messed up" region is trite: it didn't have civil wars raging across it in 2003 - the instability that our intervention brought did that. It distracted from the war in Afghanistan and let that drag on. It enabled Islamic extremists to flourish when they should have been snuffed out. It did serious damage to Britain's position in Europe and the wider world. It demonstrated a complete unwillingness to even consider a foreign policy independent of the US.
Suez revealed the post-war world as it was; Iraq created a new and much worse one.
Excellent post.
I would also add that it destroyed the goodwill that existed towards the US/West from the early-period Putin administration and set us on the path to the events we see this very day.
Anybody got any idea why the normally dull Theresa May has decided to make a complete idiot of herself over the comments by John Kerry? Is this what we can now expect from this 'johnny no mates' government now that we've cast ourselves adrift?
I don't quite understand you. In what way is Trump necessary for Brexit?
Because of the psychological blow it will deal to Farage and the loonier Atlanticists in the Tory party if Trump turns out not to share their disdain for the EU.
That still makes no sense (not least the notion that Trump is a closet Europhile).
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
It's death by a thousand cuts. If the Anglosphere proves to be worthless even with 'Mr Brexit' in the White House, what Brexit vision is left?
That the EU is an undemocratic, bureaucratic, sclerotic federalising bullying monster that eats up £10bn of British contributions a year and that freedom from it might be a good thing.
And I say that as someone who voted Remain.
But that's a negative position that only works if your argument is to reform or abolish it, not to leave it. Leaving requires a viable alternative national strategy.
I noticed you had to actually round down the amount by almost a quarter to try and make your point. good trolling.
In the referendum a simple majority was required or basically 50% plus 1 would be enough either way. Such an outcome would have resulted in gazillions of recounts of course.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
To grasp the scale of the Iraq disaster (which I idiotically supported at the time), you just have to imagine a world where it never happened.
There. Almost everything is better, apart from - maybe - the life of the average Iraqi, and even that is debatable.
Iraq was probably a more significant error than Vietnam. You might have to go back to the Great War to find a geopolitical blunder of greater profundity.
And we may have not seen the worst of the consequences yet. It's still unfolding.
If you want something really depressing, The Travel Channel are binging Michael Palin's New Europe. It's less than ten years old, but it's spirit of wistful optimism seems to date from another age
To grasp the scale of the Iraq disaster (which I idiotically supported at the time), you just have to imagine a world where it never happened.
There. Almost everything is better, apart from - maybe - the life of the average Iraqi, and even that is debatable.
Iraq was probably a more significant error than Vietnam. You might have to go back to the Great War to find a geopolitical blunder of greater profundity.
And we may have not seen the worst of the consequences yet. It's still unfolding.
A nice happy thought for 2017.
and Oh the irony of Blair as Middle East peace envoy.
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Sorry to hear you are bored of PB. Have you applied to the authorities to be released from needing to read or post here? Should take a couple of weeks to come through.
As for Brexit, it's the only political game in town and we're stuck with it.
Perhaps Soldier magazine or even arrse is where you should spend your time.
If you want something really depressing, The Travel Channel are binging Michael Palin's New Europe. It's less than ten years old, but it's spirit of wistful optimism seems to date from another age
Old travel docus age terribly - I've seen a few that are parallel universe too. Nice to see another Travel channel watcher. There's good stuff on Food and Yesterday as well.
It wasn't only the cack-handed invasion of Iraq that helped lead to the current Iraq/Syria situation, but also the so-called Arab Spring, which came out of nowhere.
Of course, the UK could've taken a different course in Libya, or Syria. I'm not sure any viable option would've made anything any better, though.
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"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Sorry to hear you are bored of PB. Have you applied to the authorities to be released from needing to read or post here? Should take a couple of weeks to come through.
As for Brexit, it's the only political game in town and we're stuck with it.
Perhaps Soldier magazine or even arrse is where you should spend your time.
PB reflects the state of our politics. Which is currently dire.
"You mean adrift from the administration and Secretary of State that will be down the Job Centre in three weeks ? "
Wiser council might have suggested that trying to ingratiate herself with an off the wall president-elect (who could change his mind at any moment) rather the 99% of the other countries in the world (or even keeping quiet) was not very bright
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
It is utterly ridiculous to compare Farage's promise to keep on campaigning, in other words not disbanding UKIP, if the result was a close Remain, and the attempt to block/slow down/reverse the decision from some referendum losers.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
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I don't know unfortunately...
I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
I don't quite understand you. In what way is Trump necessary for Brexit?
Because of the psychological blow it will deal to Farage and the loonier Atlanticists in the Tory party if Trump turns out not to share their disdain for the EU.
That still makes no sense (not least the notion that Trump is a closet Europhile).
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
It's death by a thousand cuts. If the Anglosphere proves to be worthless even with 'Mr Brexit' in the White House, what Brexit vision is left?
That the EU is an undemocratic, bureaucratic, sclerotic federalising bullying monster that eats up £10bn of British contributions a year and that freedom from it might be a good thing.
And I say that as someone who voted Remain.
But that's a negative position that only works if your argument is to reform or abolish it, not to leave it. Leaving requires a viable alternative national strategy.
Given that neither abolition nor reform are possible and that the rest of the EU membetd do not advocate those solutions it seems that leaving is the only viable and sensible course of action.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
It is utterly ridiculous to compare Farage's promise to keep on campaigning, in other words not disbanding UKIP, if the result was a close Remain, and the attempt to block/slow down/reverse the decision from some referendum losers.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
It is utterly ridiculous to compare Farage's promise to keep on campaigning, in other words not disbanding UKIP, if the result was a close Remain, and the attempt to block/slow down/reverse the decision from some referendum losers.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
Your 'we' is entirely different from mine.
I suppose you mean because I am English and you are Scottish. Well I can sympathise with your plight, I feel bad for Scottish Nationalists who want to be governed by Scotland not London, and if I were Scottish I would no doubt be a Nat, though doubt I'd want to be ruled by Brussels instead. I would never say I was British before English.
But, as it stands, we are one country, and "we" voted to Leave.
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"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
d) What wine would you serve, with the cheese, to the abominable snowman if he turned up?
Most people in that region seem to drink spirits rather than wine. Which might or might not be appropriate.
The local rum is er... abominable
Mind you, the local guide quite like Baron de Sigognac 1950. So I shared the bottle with him.
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
d) What wine would you serve, with the cheese, to the abominable snowman if he turned up?
QI Elves ‘Auld Lang Syne’ only became a New Year’s Eve tradition after the Royal Canadian orchestra's live broadcasts from a NYC hotel began in 1929.
I don't know unfortunately...
I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
It's got less funny. Shouldn't have let a woman in (never mind chairing it). Yes, that's terribly sexist (amusingly so given Toksvig's hypocritical political party), but breaking up the boys' club changes the dynamic. It just does.
A year inside for putting bacon on a mosque. Unreal
And then he dies in his cell.
All those on here who constantly say the prison system is too tough/too many people are sent to jail have yet to pipe up I notice.
Actually a year for boorish behaviour like that sounds about right to me.
Mind you, I am the kind of reactionary who thinks that committing murder should get you 20 years.
A few years back, some the of the "kids" who helped hold down another kid who was then stabbed got 18 months. Literally "out before Christmas - they served 6 months IIRC.
"Iraq was probably a more significant error than Vietnam. You might have to go back to the Great War to find a geopolitical blunder of greater profundity"
I was working in Beirut when the US were marshalling their forces on the Iraqi border. The Lebanese producer said "if the Americans invade Iraq and they think the 20 year Lebanese war was bad this will be twenty times worse!" He then listed the factions.
My question is this; If a Lebanese producer who is 1. Christian 2. Far more interested in money than geopolitical trifles 3. Disliked the Muslims even more than the Israelis. knew this why didn't British and US intelligence?
PS this was the job I was doing for him (for the Lebanese Government)
Just finished watching it last night! Agree it's well worth the 10 hours - my only reservation was that HM is depicted as making a series of quick decisions and then changing her mind later when effectively overruled by the establishment. I'm not sure that really rings true? I enjoyed the depiction of Churchill especially the portrait scenes which were particularly well done. As I'm over in the US with access to high speed broadband and Netflix the 5 series of Boardwalk Empire also beckoned, very different to the Crown but also worth watching - at least the first 3 - tails off a little after that. It portrays politics as utterly corrupt, and many people still believe this over here and back home. Getting past this is a huge challenge for us all.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
It is utterly ridiculous to compare Farage's promise to keep on campaigning, in other words not disbanding UKIP, if the result was a close Remain, and the attempt to block/slow down/reverse the decision from some referendum losers.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
Your 'we' is entirely different from mine.
I suppose you mean because I am English and you are Scottish. Well I can sympathise with your plight, I feel bad for Scottish Nationalists who want to be governed by Scotland not London, and if I were Scottish I would no doubt be a Nat, though doubt I'd want to be ruled by Brussels instead. I would never say I was British before English.
But, as it stands, we are one country, and "we" voted to Leave.
Can we park this 'we voted as one country' shite in the dustbin of inaccurate & misleading cliches (I know it's currently full to the brim, but still)? It was the English, specifically those who identified as English, that got Leave over the line, and those who identified as British who tended to vote Remain.
I have no desire to impede England (or Wales) in their date with manifest destiny, otoh a great many English Leavers (when they're not moaning about an undemocratic union, establishment bullying and Project Fear) want Scotland to shut its gob and suck it up.
A year inside for putting bacon on a mosque. Unreal
And then he dies in his cell.
All those on here who constantly say the prison system is too tough/too many people are sent to jail have yet to pipe up I notice.
Actually a year for boorish behaviour like that sounds about right to me.
Mind you, I am the kind of reactionary who thinks that committing murder should get you 20 years.
A few years back, some the of the "kids" who helped hold down another kid who was then stabbed got 18 months. Literally "out before Christmas - they served 6 months IIRC.
I imagine he wasn't that nice a person, to be bothered to go and do something like that speaks for itself, but a year in prison is too much. I'd say any jail time for that is too much. It is possibly the best opportunity to get someone to do community service, possibly helping the muslim community, there ever was.
Oh my, I have had a skin full. The finest foods, the choicest wines. A big, fat Cuban now and the Macallan. Five years shaved from my life, but a delicious afternoon.
"Hurst if you are unsure of whether you are bored of something or not then sadly I cannot help you. Why not test your boredom threshold first on a couple of simpler propositions."
Well, old chap, I am not bored of parliamentary democracy, so I am in fact the counter- example that proves your original statement false. It was in the hope that you had something more to offer that I asked, "Who are these "leavers" of whom you speak?"
I am, I am sorry to say, very bored of PB.com. Thread after thread of the same small number of people saying what they have said goodness knows how many times before has become tedious beyond endurance. I hope that the site will pick-up in the new year and revert to something it used to be.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
d) What wine would you serve, with the cheese, to the abominable snowman if he turned up?
Most people in that region seem to drink spirits rather than wine. Which might or might not be appropriate.
The local rum is er... abominable
Mind you, the local guide quite like Baron de Sigognac 1950. So I shared the bottle with him.
The local rum must be like some Thai ‘whiskies’ then.
Oh my, I have had a skin full. The finest foods, the choicest wines. A big, fat Cuban now and the Macallan. Five years shaved from my life, but a delicious afternoon.
Oh my, I have had a skin full. The finest foods, the choicest wines. A big, fat Cuban now and the Macallan. Five years shaved from my life, but a delicious afternoon.
My big day was yesterday.
Woke at 11.30. Went straight to Hawksmoor Seven Dials. Met my gf. Started on Ruinart champagne. Had scallops, lobster and "the best steak in Britain" (The Times) with a brilliant Argie Malbec.
Went home. Cracked another bottle of champagne (vintage Pol Roger). And another (Perrier Jouet). Had sex in between bottles of bubbly. Finished a bottle of Chateauneuf du Pape. Sent my gf back home at midnight. Opened an Amarone. Watched the Crown. Slipped into a coma around 1am.
Thus ends 2016. I actually wonder if I will make it to the end of 2017.
Anyone wanting to watch a surprisingly funny and well done review of the year, I just watched 'Charlie Brooker's 2016 Wipe'. Much more self-aware than expected given the bigger stories, and pretty even-handed at pouring scorn on politicians - with the notable exception of Trump, who got both barrels of course.
Although watching any review of this year does feel like a longer version of Billy Joel's 'We Didn't Start The Fire'!
Can we park this 'we voted as one country' shite in the dustbin of inaccurate & misleading cliches (I know it's currently full to the brim, but still)? It was the English, specifically those who identified as English, that got Leave over the line, and those who identified as British who tended to vote Remain.
I have no desire to impede England (or Wales) in their date with manifest destiny, otoh a great many English Leavers (when they're not moaning about an undemocratic union, establishment bullying and Project Fear) want Scotland to shut its gob and suck it up.
Tough.
Your nation had the opportunity to separate from the English but you voted not to do so. Couldn't care less if you voted Yes, since you wish so much to identify with how Scotland voted then that covers you. So suck it up, you voted to remain tied to the English having known that a Brexit referendum was coming. So we voted as one nation because you guys had the opportunity to go independent and turned it down.
Thats an interesting nugget there on those who self decribe as British vs English. I am not too surprised as Britishness is intrinsically a more diverse and outward looking concept than Englishness.
QI Elves ‘Auld Lang Syne’ only became a New Year’s Eve tradition after the Royal Canadian orchestra's live broadcasts from a NYC hotel began in 1929.
I don't know unfortunately...
I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
The QI Dara triple point clip is on Youtube (attempt to link failed). It all seems harmless enough -- basically the top science boffins changed the official definition.
Oh my, I have had a skin full. The finest foods, the choicest wines. A big, fat Cuban now and the Macallan. Five years shaved from my life, but a delicious afternoon.
My big day was yesterday.
Woke at 11.30. Went straight to Hawksmoor Seven Dials. Met my gf. Started on Ruinart champagne. Had scallops, lobster and "the best steak in Britain" (The Times) with a brilliant Argie Malbec.
Went home. Cracked another bottle of champagne (vintage Pol Roger). And another (Perrier Jouet). Had sex in between bottles of bubbly. Finished a bottle of Chateauneuf du Pape. Sent my gf back home at midnight. Opened an Amarone. Watched the Crown. Slipped into a coma around 1am.
Thus ends 2016. I actually wonder if I will make it to the end of 2017.
Hold on. Surely you've previously told us the best steak is at Dinner by Heston? Some of us non-bon viveurs rely on your troughing tips (that barolo you tipped was very well-received btw).
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
It is utterly ridiculous to compare Farage's promise to keep on campaigning, in other words not disbanding UKIP, if the result was a close Remain, and the attempt to block/slow down/reverse the decision from some referendum losers.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
Your 'we' is entirely different from mine.
I suppose you mean because I am English and you are Scottish. Well I can sympathise with your plight, I feel bad for Scottish Nationalists who want to be governed by Scotland not London, and if I were Scottish I would no doubt be a Nat, though doubt I'd want to be ruled by Brussels instead. I would never say I was British before English.
But, as it stands, we are one country, and "we" voted to Leave.
Can we park this 'we voted as one country' shite in the dustbin of inaccurate & misleading cliches (I know it's currently full to the brim, but still)? It was the English, specifically those who identified as English, that got Leave over the line, and those who identified as British who tended to vote Remain.
I have no desire to impede England (or Wales) in their date with manifest destiny, otoh a great many English Leavers (when they're not moaning about an undemocratic union, establishment bullying and Project Fear) want Scotland to shut its gob and suck it up.
I said I sympathise with you, but denying the truth is just silly.
QI Elves ‘Auld Lang Syne’ only became a New Year’s Eve tradition after the Royal Canadian orchestra's live broadcasts from a NYC hotel began in 1929.
I don't know unfortunately...
I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
The QI Dara triple point clip is on Youtube (attempt to link failed). It all seems harmless enough -- basically the top science boffins changed the official definition.
QI is after all an entertainment, not attempting to be a canon of knowledge.
Fry and Toksvig are presenters, they have a team of writers who update them during the live filming via earpieces.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Really? The saloon bar sage thought otherwise.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
It is utterly ridiculous to compare Farage's promise to keep on campaigning, in other words not disbanding UKIP, if the result was a close Remain, and the attempt to block/slow down/reverse the decision from some referendum losers.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
Your 'we' is entirely different from mine.
I suppose you mean because I am English and you are Scottish. Well I can sympathise with your plight, I feel bad for Scottish Nationalists who want to be governed by Scotland not London, and if I were Scottish I would no doubt be a Nat, though doubt I'd want to be ruled by Brussels instead. I would never say I was British before English.
But, as it stands, we are one country, and "we" voted to Leave.
Can we park this 'we voted as one country' shite in the dustbin of inaccurate & misleading cliches (I know it's currently full to the brim, but still)? It was the English, specifically those who identified as English, that got Leave over the line, and those who identified as British who tended to vote Remain.
I have no desire to impede England (or Wales) in their date with manifest destiny, otoh a great many English Leavers (when they're not moaning about an undemocratic union, establishment bullying and Project Fear) want Scotland to shut its gob and suck it up.
It seems to me that the English would be more at ease with ourselves if we were an independent member state (with a devolved Wales) of the EU alongside Scotland and Ireland. Alternatively in the soft-Brexit option England could take the Norway option while Scotland could take its seat at the table in Brussels.
Mr. Divvie, you think about a third of Scots identify as English?
That is a very good point. Even if this isn't a voodoo poll it is paid for by someone who thinks S/W/NI too insignificant to bother with.
And I don't see the English/British thing indicates anything anyway. I don't say either, I say I'm from the UK (quicker to write on customs forms) unless I am in S/W/NI, where "English" is genuinely informative. but I don't think people who say British or English mean anything by it (give or take the English Defence League, possibly). Tomato/Tomayto.
QI Elves ‘Auld Lang Syne’ only became a New Year’s Eve tradition after the Royal Canadian orchestra's live broadcasts from a NYC hotel began in 1929.
I don't know unfortunately...
I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
The QI Dara triple point clip is on Youtube (attempt to link failed). It all seems harmless enough -- basically the top science boffins changed the official definition.
Ah, subtext, it's always subtext. Fry is a man with an undeserved reputation for intelligence who wouldn't know what a triple point was if somebody wasn't feeding him the info via a earpiece. O'Thingy is a physics grad who knew the definition without having to be told, and was only out by the teeniest amount. For the former to twit the latter was undeserved. I got aeriated because it was the old arts vs science argument.
QI Elves ‘Auld Lang Syne’ only became a New Year’s Eve tradition after the Royal Canadian orchestra's live broadcasts from a NYC hotel began in 1929.
I don't know unfortunately...
I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
The QI Dara triple point clip is on Youtube (attempt to link failed). It all seems harmless enough -- basically the top science boffins changed the official definition.
Ah, subtext, it's always subtext. Fry is a man with an undeserved reputation for intelligence who wouldn't know what a triple point was if somebody wasn't feeding him the info via a earpiece. O'Thingy is a physics grad who knew the definition without having to be told, and was only out by the teeniest amount. For the former to twit the latter was undeserved. I got aeriated because it was the old arts vs science argument.
Ah but I think it more subtle than that. As Fry says in the clip, Dara got it right by the old definition but they'd changed the defined value from 0 to 0.01, so Dara was not really wrong in that sense.
Can we park this 'we voted as one country' shite in the dustbin of inaccurate & misleading cliches (I know it's currently full to the brim, but still)? It was the English, specifically those who identified as English, that got Leave over the line, and those who identified as British who tended to vote Remain.
I have no desire to impede England (or Wales) in their date with manifest destiny, otoh a great many English Leavers (when they're not moaning about an undemocratic union, establishment bullying and Project Fear) want Scotland to shut its gob and suck it up.
Tough.
Your nation had the opportunity to separate from the English but you voted not to do so. Couldn't care less if you voted Yes, since you wish so much to identify with how Scotland voted then that covers you. So suck it up, you voted to remain tied to the English having known that a Brexit referendum was coming. So we voted as one nation because you guys had the opportunity to go independent and turned it down.
So suck it up buttercup.
Interesting how one's attitudes change. Five years ago I wanted indy because I didn't want to have governments imposed on me by people like you, now it's because I don't want to be in the same country as people like you.
I noticed you had to actually round down the amount by almost a quarter to try and make your point. good trolling.
In the referendum a simple majority was required or basically 50% plus 1 would be enough either way. Such an outcome would have resulted in gazillions of recounts of course.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
I noticed you had to actually round down the amount by almost a quarter to try and make your point. good trolling.
In the referendum a simple majority was required or basically 50% plus 1 would be enough either way. Such an outcome would have resulted in gazillions of recounts of course.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
I am not disputing that Leave won, my point was that the margin was small enough for the £350m a week for the NHS lie to have been decisive.
Calling 3.8%, "3%" just shows how desperately ridiculous these arguments are becoming. Your own side, the only ones that still think there are "sides" after the vote, should tick you off for that.
I noticed you had to actually round down the amount by almost a quarter to try and make your point. good trolling.
In the referendum a simple majority was required or basically 50% plus 1 would be enough either way. Such an outcome would have resulted in gazillions of recounts of course.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Mr. Divvie, you think about a third of Scots identify as English?
That is a very good point. Even if this isn't a voodoo poll it is paid for by someone who thinks S/W/NI too insignificant to bother with.
And I don't see the English/British thing indicates anything anyway. I don't say either, I say I'm from the UK (quicker to write on customs forms) unless I am in S/W/NI, where "English" is genuinely informative. but I don't think people who say British or English mean anything by it (give or take the English Defence League, possibly). Tomato/Tomayto.
I always tick the "White British" box these days as the trend of having options for Scottish and Welsh appears to have died out. More than once I had forms that gave Scottish and Welsh options but no English, which naturally led to me ticking the Other box...
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Mr. Llama, only 2 months till testing, 3 till racing, and less than 1 until we should learn Bottas is to be Hamilton's team mate.
Of course, people can enjoy the meantime by reading the wonderful story of a lesbian's struggle against the patriarchy* in my book, Kingdom Asunder:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingdom-Asunder-Bloody-Crown-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B01N8UF799/
*That description is technically accurate and utterly misleading. It's a war of gore, with lashings of treachery.
Perhaps you could pick from some alternate subjects:
a) Do you prefer cheese with crackers, cake, or alcohol?
b) If the abominable snowman was real, would it just be another "normal" creature like an elephant and therefore of no particular interest?
c) Which TV series did you keep watching because you thought something interesting would happen - but it never did?
But even if he did decide along the lines you suggest, do you really think that the government, MPs and the Leave electorate will shrug and say "oh well, Trump's against it; that's that"?
b) Yes.
c) Lost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_wine
If Lost were a porn film, it'd be a man arriving to fix a housewife's sink. And then fixing her sink and leaving. Then returning, because he forgot his plunger. Then leaving. Then we'd see a flashback of him going to plumbing school. The plunger would remind him of his dead brother, who died on the toilet.
QI Elves
‘Auld Lang Syne’ only became a New Year’s Eve tradition after the Royal Canadian orchestra's live broadcasts from a NYC hotel began in 1929.
By contrast, Iraq destroyed trust in politics for a huge number of people. It set of a whirlwind of chaos in the Middle East - to say it "messed up an already messed up" region is trite: it didn't have civil wars raging across it in 2003 - the instability that our intervention brought did that. It distracted from the war in Afghanistan and let that drag on. It enabled Islamic extremists to flourish when they should have been snuffed out. It did serious damage to Britain's position in Europe and the wider world. It demonstrated a complete unwillingness to even consider a foreign policy independent of the US.
Suez revealed the post-war world as it was; Iraq created a new and much worse one.
FTSE 100 share index ends 2016 at an all-time record high
The London exchange is Europe's best performing major stock market in 2016, ending the year 14% up.
13:54, UK,
Friday 30 December 2016
http://news.sky.com/story/ftse-100-share-index-ends-2016-at-an-all-time-record-high-10711892
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/29/theresa-may-rebukes-us-attack-israel/
And I say that as someone who voted Remain.
I would also add that it destroyed the goodwill that existed towards the US/West from the early-period Putin administration and set us on the path to the events we see this very day.
"But it was enough to give you your 3% victory."
4% actually
I noticed you had to actually round down the amount by almost a quarter to try and make your point.
In the referendum a simple majority was required or basically 50% plus 1 would be enough either way. Such an outcome would have resulted in gazillions of recounts of course.
However we all know that had remain won with even the tiniest and most slimmest of margins then the vote would have been considered decisive and for ever over as a " once in a lifetime / hundred years / insert value here " type of vote.
Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%)
Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%)
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/
And we may have not seen the worst of the consequences yet. It's still unfolding.
A nice happy thought for 2017.
His last words were reportedly: "I think I'm turning into a god". [At this stage, Roman emperors tended to be posthumously deified].
As for Brexit, it's the only political game in town and we're stuck with it.
Perhaps Soldier magazine or even arrse is where you should spend your time.
Of course, the UK could've taken a different course in Libya, or Syria. I'm not sure any viable option would've made anything any better, though.
"You mean adrift from the administration and Secretary of State that will be down the Job Centre in three weeks ? "
Wiser council might have suggested that trying to ingratiate herself with an off the wall president-elect (who could change his mind at any moment) rather the 99% of the other countries in the world (or even keeping quiet) was not very bright
And then he dies in his cell.
All those on here who constantly say the prison system is too tough/too many people are sent to jail have yet to pipe up I notice.
"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."
Perhaps you're one of those Leavers who thinks Nige has nuffink to do with you.
I don't think anyone is saying that campaigning to re enter the EU at some stage is not allowed. The difference is, had Remain won, we would still be in the EU and so there wouldn't be the option to delay or ignore the vote as some are doing because we voted to Leave
Ah how wonderful that is to type.. "we voted to Leave"
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I instinctively distrust QI: its assertion that Cruithne is a moon of Earth is pure gibberish, and Stephen Fry's tweaking of Dara O'Briain over a 0.01 degree error in the definition of the triple point of water was jawdroppingly patronising. Fry is a genuinely nice guy but his reputation as a polymath is undeserved: "The Register" used to keep a list of his mistakes. I don't know if QI's any better now Toksvig is in post.
But, as it stands, we are one country, and "we" voted to Leave.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/30/book-reviewer-blacklists-publisher-because-of-milo-book-deal/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
"Chicago Review Of Books is pledging not to review any books printed by Simon & Schuster in 2017 following the publisher’s reported book deal with gay conservative pundit Milo Yiannopoulos.
Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, signed a deal for Yiannopoulos to write “DANGEROUS,” the right-wing commentator’s first autobiographical book, earlier this year. (RELATED: Liberals Are Losing Their Minds Over The Milo Yiannopoulos Book Deal)
Chicago Review of Books officially tweeted a promise to blacklist all Simon & Schuster books in 2017 due to the publisher’s “validation of hate.”
Mind you, the local guide quite like Baron de Sigognac 1950. So I shared the bottle with him.
There are no good courses of action for us to take in relation to the Middle East.
Mind you, I am the kind of reactionary who thinks that committing murder should get you 20 years.
A few years back, some the of the "kids" who helped hold down another kid who was then stabbed got 18 months. Literally "out before Christmas - they served 6 months IIRC.
I was working in Beirut when the US were marshalling their forces on the Iraqi border. The Lebanese producer said "if the Americans invade Iraq and they think the 20 year Lebanese war was bad this will be twenty times worse!" He then listed the factions.
My question is this; If a Lebanese producer who is 1. Christian 2. Far more interested in money than geopolitical trifles 3. Disliked the Muslims even more than the Israelis. knew this why didn't British and US intelligence?
PS this was the job I was doing for him (for the Lebanese Government)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL6AVWLPJD0&feature=youtu.be
I enjoyed the depiction of Churchill especially the portrait scenes which were particularly well done.
As I'm over in the US with access to high speed broadband and Netflix the 5 series of Boardwalk Empire also beckoned, very different to the Crown but also worth watching - at least the first 3 - tails off a little after that. It portrays politics as utterly corrupt, and many people still believe this over here and back home. Getting past this is a huge challenge for us all.
https://twitter.com/gideonrachman/status/814101664684769281
I have no desire to impede England (or Wales) in their date with manifest destiny, otoh a great many English Leavers (when they're not moaning about an undemocratic union, establishment bullying and Project Fear) want Scotland to shut its gob and suck it up.
"Mind you, I am the kind of reactionary who thinks that committing murder should get you 20 years."
That's 20 rashers of bacon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-38168792
Although watching any review of this year does feel like a longer version of Billy Joel's 'We Didn't Start The Fire'!
Happy New Year
Your nation had the opportunity to separate from the English but you voted not to do so. Couldn't care less if you voted Yes, since you wish so much to identify with how Scotland voted then that covers you. So suck it up, you voted to remain tied to the English having known that a Brexit referendum was coming. So we voted as one nation because you guys had the opportunity to go independent and turned it down.
So suck it up buttercup.
Thats an interesting nugget there on those who self decribe as British vs English. I am not too surprised as Britishness is intrinsically a more diverse and outward looking concept than Englishness.
There is possibly a social class element too.
It all seems harmless enough -- basically the top science boffins changed the official definition.
Fry and Toksvig are presenters, they have a team of writers who update them during the live filming via earpieces.
And I don't see the English/British thing indicates anything anyway. I don't say either, I say I'm from the UK (quicker to write on customs forms) unless I am in S/W/NI, where "English" is genuinely informative. but I don't think people who say British or English mean anything by it (give or take the English Defence League, possibly). Tomato/Tomayto.
How much of it is true?
Does that question mean anything anyway?
I hope we get a play by David Hare centred on Brexit.
Onwards and upwards.
C'mon, man.
Vladimir Putin: I am inviting all children of the US diplomats in Russia to the New Year's celebration in the Kremlin
new thread
Someone just shared this on my Facebook page and, even as an atheist, I can't think of a better message to close the year.
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/videozone_ENG/1.2852447