Trump will probably lose, but he will improve on Mitt Romney's electoral college vote - Iowa, Ohio gained & North Carolina lost.
Corbyn will be losing various Stoke seats, Derbyshire North East, almost certainly below 200 seats.
There is not ONE psephologist of any serious worth that has suggested Corbyn will even come CLOSE to winning, the situations aren't really ALL that comparable - Corbyn is going to lose, and Trump's probable defeat will be a result that UK Labour can only DREAM of getting.
You are getting far too serious dear Pulps for your own good.... Could you not see that TSE's header was a pisstake?
What I'm saying is there are longshots that might happen, Trump is amongst those. And those that won't - PM Corbyn is firmly in the latter.
And you are completely right...anyone who thinks Corbyn could be PM is deluded...but there are some of us (including me) who can possibly see a pathway for Trump.
But I doubt very much that TSE seriously believes that Corbyn has a hope in hell...he's just being polemical
Corbyn as PM is improbable rather than impossible. A lot depends on how chaotic the Tories become post Brexit. They have a small majority and a Corbyn led minority government is perfectly possible.
The Tory Government at presents make the Major dark days of the bastards appear in comparison a halcyon era of unity and harmony....
The Tories are not fit to be a single party Government. They are like rats in a sack spiked by LSD with some ketamine thrown in for good measure.
May is barely 2 months in...2 months and she is crippled by her party. Bless her. And then we have Corbyn...did you see that ITV clip yesterday? Argghhhhhh
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
Plus a big share of the UK electorate isn't completely insane.
Many Remainers seem to think they are including our own Mr Meeks and Scott P.
Of course, it is a total fallacy that a big share of the US electorate is completely insane. You just happen to disagree with them, or fail to understand them, and are putting your failures on them, not where it belongs. (And, no, I am not a Trump supporter, but understand the issues that attract them to him).
I'm in the 'fail to understand' camp - not American voters so much, but the whole political system. It's like baseball, or American football: I haven't yet been able to grasp either the rules of the game or the scoring system.
It's a kind of hybrid of 18th century Britain and the Roman Republic.
Trump will probably lose, but he will improve on Mitt Romney's electoral college vote - Iowa, Ohio gained & North Carolina lost.
Corbyn will be losing various Stoke seats, Derbyshire North East, almost certainly below 200 seats.
There is not ONE psephologist of any serious worth that has suggested Corbyn will even come CLOSE to winning, the situations aren't really ALL that comparable - Corbyn is going to lose, and Trump's probable defeat will be a result that UK Labour can only DREAM of getting.
Despite having a bet on Trump in Ohio I've suddenly got "The Feeling" that he's going to narrowly lose it.
Its all about the great Jill Stein failure for me now(*)
* Well it would be if Paddy had let me have more than £7 on the bet
Hmmm, that's interesting, they let me have more than £7 (10 Euros) on it. I wonder how much I can get on.
Can't find it on their site anymore, you got the link handy?
EDIT: Found it, not linked on their US Politics Page.
The problem with this is that you will not find anywhere near the same kind of support for Corbyn type policies among the British public, as for Trump type ones in the US.
As Theresa May is showing, there is a significant market for a nationalist centre right party, that unites white van man with Colonel Blimp and Mr Moneybags
Tax the rich and stop the cuts and re-nationalise the railways is a pretty popular policy platform. Corbyn's problem is Corbyn, not his policies.
But they're not really bread and butter policies. Do I think the current railway network is a shambles? Yes. Am I willing to consider renationalising them to sort matters out? Yes. Will it affect my vote? No, because it's not a vital issue.
Do I dislike the idea of cuts? Yes. Do I think they are necessary? Yes. Do I think they could be done better? Yes. Do I think the people to do that are Corbyn and Macdonnell? No. Even if I did, do I think they will cut spending? No.
Do I think the rich should pay more tax as a proportion of their income? Yes. Do I believe that higher tax rates on their own will achieve that? No, because that's been tried and failed many times. Do I think that taxes for people like me will go up or down under Corbyn? Up, because the amount of fiddling at the higher levels will increase and the burden to plug the gap will fall on me.
It doesn't help of course that Corbyn is an apologist for murderers who consorts with Holocaust deniers and thinks Macdonnell, Abbott and Thornberry are fit to hold senior roles. But his policy platform is terrible as well. Most of his policies are about as plausible as offering better weather and free ponies, and the ones that are not are irrelevant to voters' actual decisions.
We're talking about popularity, not plausibility. Trump's policies aren't plausible, but they are popular.
My point was that because people don't take them seriously, even though we may like the sound of them in theory they won't win him votes. Ask William Hague and Michael Howard if you don't believe me.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Trump will probably lose, but he will improve on Mitt Romney's electoral college vote - Iowa, Ohio gained & North Carolina lost.
Corbyn will be losing various Stoke seats, Derbyshire North East, almost certainly below 200 seats.
There is not ONE psephologist of any serious worth that has suggested Corbyn will even come CLOSE to winning, the situations aren't really ALL that comparable - Corbyn is going to lose, and Trump's probable defeat will be a result that UK Labour can only DREAM of getting.
Despite having a bet on Trump in Ohio I've suddenly got "The Feeling" that he's going to narrowly lose it.
Its all about the great Jill Stein failure for me now(*)
* Well it would be if Paddy had let me have more than £7 on the bet
Hmmm, that's interesting, they let me have more than £7 (10 Euros) on it. I wonder how much I can get on.
Can't find it on their site anymore, you got the link handy?
EDIT: Found it, not linked on their US Politics Page.
Wait, I can cover 0-2% for a profit? This is free money people. Free money.
Wow... She wouldn't need many transfer votes to get over the line if the result is anything like that.
Oh well...if Le Pen wins in France all Brexit bets are off. It will seem a very sensible decision for the UK to jump off the EU train before Le Pen arrives in her jack boots.
Le Pen will trigger a Frexit.
So the remaining 26 EU nations will be negotiating with 2 departing nations? But the UK & France can't enter into negotiations between themselves until they've both left?
That might help or or it might hinder. And if one of UK/France gets a better 'deal' than the other, oh-ho.
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Desperate times and all that.....
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
Wow... She wouldn't need many transfer votes to get over the line if the result is anything like that.
Oh well...if Le Pen wins in France all Brexit bets are off. It will seem a very sensible decision for the UK to jump off the EU train before Le Pen arrives in her jack boots.
Le Pen will trigger a Frexit.
So the remaining 26 EU nations will be negotiating with 2 departing nations? But the UK & France can't enter into negotiations between themselves until they've both left?
That might help or or it might hinder. And if one of UK/France gets a better 'deal' than the other, oh-ho.
France won't leave - apart from everything else, it sees itself as the founder. A Quitaly is more likely than a Frexit.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
Wow... She wouldn't need many transfer votes to get over the line if the result is anything like that.
Oh well...if Le Pen wins in France all Brexit bets are off. It will seem a very sensible decision for the UK to jump off the EU train before Le Pen arrives in her jack boots.
Le Pen will trigger a Frexit.
So the remaining 26 EU nations will be negotiating with 2 departing nations? But the UK & France can't enter into negotiations between themselves until they've both left?
That might help or or it might hinder. And if one of UK/France gets a better 'deal' than the other, oh-ho.
Our courts might argue that the UK is a member of the EU until it isn't and can only be excluded from its own negotiations (and the same for France)
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Desperate times and all that.....
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
Tyson you have either had too good a lunch or you are insane.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known. During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other. I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
You could have done for that one AnneJ, and OldKingCole.....I would have smiled myself.....
Third like goodness knows who in the electoral college.
Seems to me that there is a chance there will be a third placer in the EC this year. Maybe Evan McMullin, though I doubt it, but there's already been one Democratic candidate elector in Washington state who has said he won't vote for Clinton. I'm guessing he won't be voting for Trump.
I agree, and I won't be surprised if electors vote for four or more candidates either, when they vote on 19 December. A lot could happen in those six weeks. Even if Trump wins Utah, he could say something that seriously riles Mormons or some other group, or other events could occur that lead R or D electors to change their minds. To be sure on 9 November of getting the presidency, one of the candidates needs to win states that account for 275 ECVs or maybe more.
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Desperate times and all that.....
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
Tyson you have either had too good a lunch or you are insane.
Wow... She wouldn't need many transfer votes to get over the line if the result is anything like that.
Oh well...if Le Pen wins in France all Brexit bets are off. It will seem a very sensible decision for the UK to jump off the EU train before Le Pen arrives in her jack boots.
Le Pen will trigger a Frexit.
So the remaining 26 EU nations will be negotiating with 2 departing nations? But the UK & France can't enter into negotiations between themselves until they've both left?
That might help or or it might hinder. And if one of UK/France gets a better 'deal' than the other, oh-ho.
Our courts might argue that the UK is a member of the EU until it isn't and can only be excluded from its own negotiations (and the same for France)
In any case, we could both coordinate position with a Frexit France and work on a post-EU bilateral trade deal in parallel, so long as the deal did not enter into force before formal Brexit/Frexit.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Desperate times and all that.....
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
Tyson you have either had too good a lunch or you are insane.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
As a kid, I believe I did spend most of each episode looking at the radio while listening. Is that watching the Archers?
Wow... She wouldn't need many transfer votes to get over the line if the result is anything like that.
Oh well...if Le Pen wins in France all Brexit bets are off. It will seem a very sensible decision for the UK to jump off the EU train before Le Pen arrives in her jack boots.
Le Pen will trigger a Frexit.
So the remaining 26 EU nations will be negotiating with 2 departing nations? But the UK & France can't enter into negotiations between themselves until they've both left?
That might help or or it might hinder. And if one of UK/France gets a better 'deal' than the other, oh-ho.
Our courts might argue that the UK is a member of the EU until it isn't and can only be excluded from its own negotiations (and the same for France)
In any case, we could both coordinate position with a Frexit France and work on a post-EU bilateral trade deal in parallel, so long as the deal did not enter into force before formal Brexit/Frexit.
We could start a rival block. The United European Nations.
Trump will probably lose, but he will improve on Mitt Romney's electoral college vote - Iowa, Ohio gained & North Carolina lost.
Corbyn will be losing various Stoke seats, Derbyshire North East, almost certainly below 200 seats.
There is not ONE psephologist of any serious worth that has suggested Corbyn will even come CLOSE to winning, the situations aren't really ALL that comparable - Corbyn is going to lose, and Trump's probable defeat will be a result that UK Labour can only DREAM of getting.
Despite having a bet on Trump in Ohio I've suddenly got "The Feeling" that he's going to narrowly lose it.
Its all about the great Jill Stein failure for me now(*)
* Well it would be if Paddy had let me have more than £7 on the bet
Hmmm, that's interesting, they let me have more than £7 (10 Euros) on it. I wonder how much I can get on.
Can't find it on their site anymore, you got the link handy?
EDIT: Found it, not linked on their US Politics Page.
Wait, I can cover 0-2% for a profit? This is free money people. Free money.
Where does the polling on the Italian referendum stand?
To answer my own question, since 26 September, 3 polls put Yes in front, 1 is tied, and 28 put No in the lead.
You are right...it looks like Renzi could lose....
But since there is no conceivable alternative to Renzi...honestly there isn't unless you want a Berlusconi return, Grillo, or a Corbyn figure....the Italian system will figure out something to keep Renzi in situ....
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
The problem with this is that you will not find anywhere near the same kind of support for Corbyn type policies among the British public, as for Trump type ones in the US.
As Theresa May is showing, there is a significant market for a nationalist centre right party, that unites white van man with Colonel Blimp and Mr Moneybags
Tax the rich and stop the cuts and re-nationalise the railways is a pretty popular policy platform. Corbyn's problem is Corbyn, not his policies.
But they're not really bread and butter policies. Do I think the current railway network is a shambles? Yes. Am I willing to consider renationalising them to sort matters out? Yes. Will it affect my vote? No, because it's not a vital issue.
Do I dislike the idea of cuts? Yes. Do I think they are necessary? Yes. Do I think they could be done better? Yes. Do I think the people to do that are Corbyn and Macdonnell? No. Even if I did, do I think they will cut spending? No.
Do I think the rich should pay more tax as a proportion of their income? Yes. Do I believe that higher tax rates on their own will achieve that? No, because that's been tried and failed many times. Do I think that taxes for people like me will go up or down under Corbyn? Up, because the amount of fiddling at the higher levels will increase and the burden to plug the gap will fall on me.
It doesn't help of course that Corbyn is an apologist for murderers who consorts with Holocaust deniers and thinks Macdonnell, Abbott and Thornberry are fit to hold senior roles. But his policy platform is terrible as well. Most of his policies are about as plausible as offering better weather and free ponies, and the ones that are not are irrelevant to voters' actual decisions.
We're talking about popularity, not plausibility. Trump's policies aren't plausible, but they are popular.
My point was that because people don't take them seriously, even though we may like the sound of them in theory they won't win him votes. Ask William Hague and Michael Howard if you don't believe me.
Why do you think they couldn't swallow "tax the rich and use the money to stop cuts" when they swallowed "£350 million a week for the NHS" and many are swallowing "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and the rest of Trumps stuff?
Corbyn isn't the one to sell people on this stuff, because he's already pegged as a crazy old lefty - but that's a personal issue not one with his actual policies.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
As a kid, I believe I did spend most of each episode looking at the radio while listening. Is that watching the Archers?
Interesting observation. One does look at the point the voice/sound is coming from. Traditional distraction technique, I believe.
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Desperate times and all that.....
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
Tyson you have either had too good a lunch or you are insane.
Let’s be charitable Mr G. A good lunch.
I'm as politically discombobulated as I've ever been...
OK a very good Italian lunch fuelled by some wine, grappas, British publishers, a close relative of Fanfani...doesn't help clarify one's judgement....
Normally I would be sound asleep enjoying a siesta...but the weather is akin to being at Darwin, and pbCOM is a welcome distraction
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
I think two small towns in NH typically announce first - Dixville Notch opens its polls at 00:00am and the voting population of 12 vote then; Hart's Location has a 41 voters. Though they are both so small they are not usually a useful bellwether, unless it a wave election.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
I would be looking at major differences from the current polls as well.
Curently Nate has Trump +12.1 Indiana and +19.1 Kentucky Romney won Indiana +10.2 and Kentucky +22.7
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
My advice is to stay away from the badgers. Particularly when they are out culling other species. Your average badger lives in the kind of mental truculence that a certain type of shaven headed human requires 15 pints of strong cider to reach.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
I think two small towns in NH typically announce first - Dixville Notch opens its polls at 00:00am and the voting population of 12 vote then; Hart's Location has a 41 voters. Though they are both so small they are not usually a useful bellwether, unless it a wave election.
Yes - though NH as a whole continues voting throughout the day. I wonder what would happen if one of the residents in those two tiny precincts refused to play ball by insisting on their right to vote later?!
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known. During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other. I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
Very true.
Yes - among "normal" people knowing the name of your MP is considered somewhere between being a political expert, a nerd or a "bit strange"
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
I think two small towns in NH typically announce first - Dixville Notch opens its polls at 00:00am and the voting population of 12 vote then; Hart's Location has a 41 voters. Though they are both so small they are not usually a useful bellwether, unless it a wave election.
Last time DN (which trends republican) was 5=5 Obama/ Romney so you can guarantee the press will seize on a 6=4 (or better) Clinton win as being significant, and gloss over any portent if Trump wins 7=3.
If it is persistently below zero, do keep the heating on overnight (or even, at a low level, for days if you're going on holiday). Otherwise the water in your pipes can freeze. This also means the water expands, rupturing the pipes. They subsequently leak, and can cost you an absolute fortune to replace, as well as being an utter pain in the arse to fix.
[Hoping the boiler keeps working. It's been fine since mended but that took a long time to get right].
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
I think two small towns in NH typically announce first - Dixville Notch opens its polls at 00:00am and the voting population of 12 vote then; Hart's Location has a 41 voters. Though they are both so small they are not usually a useful bellwether, unless it a wave election.
Yes - though NH as a whole continues voting throughout the day. I wonder what would happen if one of the residents in those two tiny precincts refused to play ball by insisting on their right to vote later?!
They can only close if they they have reached 100% turnout.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
As a kid, I believe I did spend most of each episode looking at the radio while listening. Is that watching the Archers?
Interesting observation. One does look at the point the voice/sound is coming from. Traditional distraction technique, I believe.
BTW, which part of Devon. Born in Plymouth, went to Plympton Grammar (now Hele's School) before setting off on my never-ending travels.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
I think two small towns in NH typically announce first - Dixville Notch opens its polls at 00:00am and the voting population of 12 vote then; Hart's Location has a 41 voters. Though they are both so small they are not usually a useful bellwether, unless it a wave election.
1960, 1964, 1968, 1976, 1992 all misses.
Recently slightly better.
Looking at a broad guess I'd say if Trump doesn't win Dixville notch, he may well be in trouble - Clinton can afford to lose it.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
Yeah, 5am to 5pm the polls are open for. It is a state holiday though.
Yes - though NH as a whole continues voting throughout the day. I wonder what would happen if one of the residents in those two tiny precincts refused to play ball by insisting on their right to vote later?!
I think these towns gained the right to run their own elections, which means they make their own local election rules. I would guess that means that would be dissenters disenfranchise themselves unless they vote with everyone else.
Why do you think they couldn't swallow "tax the rich and use the money to stop cuts" when they swallowed "£350 million a week for the NHS" and many are swallowing "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and the rest of Trumps stuff?
Corbyn isn't the one to sell people on this stuff, because he's already pegged as a crazy old lefty - but that's a personal issue not one with his actual policies.
What makes you think they did? I very much doubt if the silly campaigns Trump/Leave ran have made any material difference to the outcome except possibly making it narrower than it would otherwise have been. Nobody cared about the NHS. The real fights were over immigration, sovereignty and trade. As for Trump, the response to him appears more visceral than anything.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
In one or two states (which cross time zones), the Media may call the result while there is still an hour left to vote in parts of the state.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
Yeah, 5am to 5pm the polls are open for. It is a state holiday though.
I did hear of polling stations closing very early compared to what we have in the UK, which sounded on the face of it a little underhand - but if they call a public holiday on Election Day then fair enough.
I must say Andy Murray's on court body language is transformed...... for the better.
I think being Number One will make him a much better player....he could be there for a long time.
Would be great if it spurred him on to complete the career golden slam. There's no doubt he's good enough.
For a long time I feared he was a latter day Roddick, who head the talent to win a dozen slams and the misfortune to play at the same time as a certain M. Federer.
Why do you think they couldn't swallow "tax the rich and use the money to stop cuts" when they swallowed "£350 million a week for the NHS" and many are swallowing "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and the rest of Trumps stuff?
Corbyn isn't the one to sell people on this stuff, because he's already pegged as a crazy old lefty - but that's a personal issue not one with his actual policies.
What makes you think they did? I very much doubt if the silly campaigns Trump/Leave ran have made any material difference to the outcome except possibly making it narrower than it would otherwise have been. Nobody cared about the NHS. The real fights were over immigration, sovereignty and trade. As for Trump, the response to him appears more visceral than anything.
Not sure you’re right about the NHS claim, Dr. Immigration, yes, though.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
In one or two states (which cross time zones), the Media may call the result while there is still an hour left to vote in parts of the state.
This is also bad.As much as I don't like Trump. If you're gonna have early voting, have it in all.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
In one or two states (which cross time zones), the Media may call the result while there is still an hour left to vote in parts of the state.
Totally unlike the UK, where you barely know there is an election going on based on the news reports!
Yes - though NH as a whole continues voting throughout the day. I wonder what would happen if one of the residents in those two tiny precincts refused to play ball by insisting on their right to vote later?!
I think these towns gained the right to run their own elections, which means they make their own local election rules. I would guess that means that would be dissenters disenfranchise themselves unless they vote with everyone else.
According to the wikipedia page, the law states they can only close after reaching 100% turnout.
I think we established down thread that the poll only questioned Le Pen's immediate family and close friends...or something like that....
Juppe is nailed on to win...unless of course he tries to rape a maid, smears her with incriminating semen whilst trying to do so and attempts to do a runner.....
F1: just a week until Brazil. If Rosberg wins, he gets the title. Pay close attention to the weather forecast. It rains a lot in Sao Paulo (may even be more than Silverstone) and Rosberg could find the title slipping away from him if it's heavy.
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known. During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other. I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
Very true.
Yes - among "normal" people knowing the name of your MP is considered somewhere between being a political expert, a nerd or a "bit strange"
A normal person did mention Brexit to me last week. She said "What's happening about this Brexit, then? I haven't heard anything about it for ages."
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known. During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other. I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
Very true.
Yes - among "normal" people knowing the name of your MP is considered somewhere between being a political expert, a nerd or a "bit strange"
Went to one of those Christmas Day lunches for solo people a few years back. The local MP came to say Hello & Happy Christmas & generally show her face.
I recognised her. When I was able to tell people who 'that lady' was, I did collect some odd looks.
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
George Osborne? Who are you and what have you done with Tyson?
Desperate times and all that.....
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
Tyson you have either had too good a lunch or you are insane.
Only 16 of 67 Fla. counties are early voting today, & in big Clinton areas including Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Orange, Hillsborough
It's an artifact of America's schizophrenic decentralisation . In NC early voting location in heavily democratic counties have been closed and reduced massively, 14 locations down to 1 in one instance. In Florida the counties hot having early.voting today are Republican ones that have chosen not to as Dems are more likely to early vote.
I must say Andy Murray's on court body language is transformed...... for the better.
I think being Number One will make him a much better player....he could be there for a long time.
Would be great if it spurred him on to complete the career golden slam. There's no doubt he's good enough.
For a long time I feared he was a latter day Roddick, who head the talent to win a dozen slams and the misfortune to play at the same time as a certain M. Federer.
As a bit of Federer zealot....I am rather hoping that Federer makes the grand comeback next year....But if not Federer....then Murray, and I will like Murray even more if he stops behaving like a baby on court....like this afternoon....
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
Isn't that 5pm local time?
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
In one or two states (which cross time zones), the Media may call the result while there is still an hour left to vote in parts of the state.
Totally unlike the UK, where you barely know there is an election going on based on the news reports!
To be fair it is always the lead story of the day, but the coverage is very bland and covers little more than the politicians themselves going to vote. One advantage of a single time zone is that the media can run their exit poll at 10pm as voting finishes.
In the US elections, of course, everything is organised at state level or lower, the elections actually being for state representatives in the electoral college.
Big fan of our American cousins but the conversation below reminds me how eye-poppingly bad they are at running elections. The 55% turnouts are really no mystery.
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
I would be looking at major differences from the current polls as well.
Curently Nate has Trump +12.1 Indiana and +19.1 Kentucky Romney won Indiana +10.2 and Kentucky +22.7
Certainly if Trump has a bigger than expected win in Kentucky that will suggest the white working class have come out for him, Pence may help him in Indiana which may produce a slightly higher than average swing
Only 16 of 67 Fla. counties are early voting today, & in big Clinton areas including Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Orange, Hillsborough
It's an artifact of America's schizophrenic decentralisation . In NC early voting location in heavily democratic counties have been closed and reduced massively, 14 locations down to 1 in one instance. In Florida the counties hot having early.voting today are Republican ones that have chosen not to as Dems are more likely to early vote.
Letting politicians near the election process itself is bonkers, does anywhere else have such partisan interference in the running of elections?
I pointed out yesterday, it was an unsustainable position. May can just put forward a no strings attached bill and demand a straight vote. Labour MPs can then vote for or against it. If Labour MPs voted against it, it would hit them hard in the North and Wales.
Corbyn is rubbish in putting up the position temporarily, but at least he has corrected himself. Farron is still leading the light brigade charge.
F1: just a week until Brazil. If Rosberg wins, he gets the title. Pay close attention to the weather forecast. It rains a lot in Sao Paulo (may even be more than Silverstone) and Rosberg could find the title slipping away from him if it's heavy.
I believe Mr Hamilton will be doing a Brazilian rain dance between now and next Sunday. He has good memories of São Paulo in inclement weather!
Trump leads by 1% overall today though with IBID TIPP so with the LA Times he now leads two national polls, however he does not lead Colorado or Pennsylvania in any polls and they are the key states to get to 270 for both candidates. It confirms my view that there is a real chance Trump wins the popular vote but a Trump Electoral College win is unlikely
That will mean a popcorn session!
The question for many will be whether it will be sweet or salty popcorn.
And Trump won’t be able to claim it’s fixed, because the system used is that decided by the Founding Fathers. The people who Made America Great!
I don't think he'll claim its fixed (unless it really is and evidence emerges) but there could be several re-counts if close.
What WILL be interesting is if there are lots of stories of voters asking for paper ballots. That would suggest possible increased support for Trump.
The first complete result is announced at 00.01 am Eastern Time (4.00am GMT Tuesday) (sort of like Sunderland rushing to be the first to declare) -but that is purely symbolic. The winner is likely to be declared 24 hours later.
Indiana and Kentucky will be first to declare, any swing to Trump from 2012 will tell you it could be tight nationally, if there is a swing to Clinton it tells you she has probably won relatively comfortably
The polls in parts of both those states close at 11pm GMT.
They are only all closed from 12am, so it is a very early indication though the fuller picture will be in from midnight when polls close in Vermont, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida too
I've died and been consigned to some sort of hell. Bremoaners to one side and suddenly electable Corbin on the other. The horror the horror
I doubt McDonnell and Corbyn, even if they implemented the most left wing platform for two terms of government, could inflict the kind of economic chaos that Brexit ideologues have created in a matter of months......
Brexit ideologues are simply zenophobic thugs and mindless numbskull vandals of the lowest kind. Populist morons.
And there was me trying to be nice.........
Please don't be misled by the febrile nature of the postings on here. In my daily life, no-one has ever mentioned anything about the referendum since the immediate period after the result was known.
During that immediate post-referendum period, I met one person who was clearly shocked by the result and was reassuring himself that the outcome was only advisory. I met no-one who expressed anything other than a mild interest one way or the other.
I don't think it's raising the national mood to fever pitch, whatever the newspapers might be saying. At least, not out here in the sticks (Devon).
If the worst comes to worst we can always come to live in Devon, drink some tea, eat scones (with far too much clotted cream), watch the Archers, and Strictly. I'll be out later trying to stop the badger cull of course......
I don't think the Archers is on television. (Would have added a smiley but I believe you don't like them.)
As a kid, I believe I did spend most of each episode looking at the radio while listening. Is that watching the Archers?
Interesting observation. One does look at the point the voice/sound is coming from. Traditional distraction technique, I believe.
BTW, which part of Devon. Born in Plymouth, went to Plympton Grammar (now Hele's School) before setting off on my never-ending travels.
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Trump has an outside chance of winning in the US, Corbyn has no chance of winning in the UK, no matter how unpopular the government becomes.
The Tory Government at presents make the Major dark days of the bastards appear in comparison a halcyon era of unity and harmony....
The Tories are not fit to be a single party Government. They are like rats in a sack spiked by LSD with some ketamine thrown in for good measure.
May is barely 2 months in...2 months and she is crippled by her party. Bless her. And then we have Corbyn...did you see that ITV clip yesterday? Argghhhhhh
At this moment...I want a national unity government led by George Osborne. I'd be happy to suspend elections for ten years to let him get on with it....
Can't find it on their site anymore, you got the link handy?
EDIT: Found it, not linked on their US Politics Page.
The Kantar poll is a cross break of ST PCS- which is a work-based social demographic of low skilled, I think.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=2718595
That might help or or it might hinder. And if one of UK/France gets a better 'deal' than the other, oh-ho.
I have a sneaking feeling that GO's time will come.....
You could have done for that one AnneJ, and OldKingCole.....I would have smiled myself.....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-polar-vortex-big-9206579
But since there is no conceivable alternative to Renzi...honestly there isn't unless you want a Berlusconi return, Grillo, or a Corbyn figure....the Italian system will figure out something to keep Renzi in situ....
Corbyn isn't the one to sell people on this stuff, because he's already pegged as a crazy old lefty - but that's a personal issue not one with his actual policies.
OK a very good Italian lunch fuelled by some wine, grappas, British publishers, a close relative of Fanfani...doesn't help clarify one's judgement....
Normally I would be sound asleep enjoying a siesta...but the weather is akin to being at Darwin, and pbCOM is a welcome distraction
(cues RCS)
Curently Nate has Trump +12.1 Indiana and +19.1 Kentucky
Romney won Indiana +10.2 and Kentucky +22.7
There's a really serious need for impartial voting rules and boundaries in the US, without politicians involved in the process.
[Hoping the boiler keeps working. It's been fine since mended but that took a long time to get right].
Confusion as Corbyn says he won't block Brexit
The apparent U-turn has caused confusion among Labour MPs
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-says-labour-could-block-article-50-10647341
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/#/politics/event/27360404/market?marketId=1.117179983
Recently slightly better.
Looking at a broad guess I'd say if Trump doesn't win Dixville notch, he may well be in trouble - Clinton can afford to lose it.
I think being Number One will make him a much better player....he could be there for a long time.
She's at 29 or 30%.
Europe is sinking in a mess all of its own making.
He became a thread writer.
For a long time I feared he was a latter day Roddick, who head the talent to win a dozen slams and the misfortune to play at the same time as a certain M. Federer.
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Only 16 of 67 Fla. counties are early voting today, & in big Clinton areas including Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Orange, Hillsborough
Juppe is nailed on to win...unless of course he tries to rape a maid, smears her with incriminating semen whilst trying to do so and attempts to do a runner.....
I recognised her. When I was able to tell people who 'that lady' was, I did collect some odd looks.
In the US elections, of course, everything is organised at state level or lower, the elections actually being for state representatives in the electoral college.
Big fan of our American cousins but the conversation below reminds me how eye-poppingly bad they are at running elections. The 55% turnouts are really no mystery.
*Starts unloading tinned goods from shopping trolley, remembers Trump and starts putting them back in*
Corbyn is rubbish in putting up the position temporarily, but at least he has corrected himself. Farron is still leading the light brigade charge.