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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Percents don't matter in this case - actual numbers do.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    NEW: Highly reliable futurologist predicts victory for Donald Trump

    What does the octopus(sy) say?
    IIRC the German octopus sadly went to the great aquarium in the sky some years ago :-(
    Paul ( the farsighted octopus) was born in Weymouth. He was English to the tips of his many toes. He worked in Germany of course.
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    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
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    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.

    There's more to publishing than books. And you can publish on multiple platforms.

    Any UK company that does a lot of business in the single market will be seeking to ensure they stay in the Single Market. It would be negligent to do otherwise.

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    perdix said:

    tyson said:

    AnneJGP said:

    TOPPING said:

    (snipped)

    As an aside I thought it was telling by Watson on Pienaar that quite obviously he and Jezza hadn't discussed Jezza's no single market no A50 Mirror article.

    What a state Lab is in. Plus who has the authority? Media is reporting Lab won't obstruct A50 evidently taking Watson's as the authoritative version.
    One of the most fascinating outcomes of the EU referendum is the way it has almost broken the time-honoured political division of left & right.

    Indeed, if things do go very badly wrong economically for Brexit, then it is almost credible that the Lib Dems, as apparently the only Remain/Rejoin flag-bearers still standing, could pick up massive numbers of votes if the electorate really do change their minds under economic hardship.
    I know....I never thought someone with my political leanings could be one of the few here championing liberal capitalism.

    I fundamentally agree with the single market and free movement of labour...both are vital to our future prosperity......

    I really do not give a monkeys about the EU Parliament, or who makes the laws. I couldn't care less. It seems to be very important to people here though...
    Your definition of liberal capitalism seems to be a form of blackmail where in order to trade you must accept that anyone from anywhere can move into your neighbourhood.

    That's basically what liberal capitalism entails: freedom of capital, labour and trade.

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    TOPPING said:

    As an aside I thought it was telling by Watson on Pienaar that quite obviously he and Jezza hadn't discussed Jezza's no single market no A50 Mirror article.

    What a state Lab is in. Plus who has the authority? Media is reporting Lab won't obstruct A50 evidently taking Watson's as the authoritative version.

    I heard that Corbyn had backpedalled on the single market caveat earlier today, but it could also be the product of wider discussions with the PLP. The vast bulk of Labour MPs outside of London represent Leave-majority seats. Presumably wish to limit the potential for an electoral cataclysm.
    Whatever "chaos" is said to exist in the Conservative Govt, is a fraction of the chaos in the Labour party.
    At the moment. I would not bet on that remaining a stable situation in the medium- or long term.
    Which is why a GE is needed soon. i.e. within 6 months.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    TOPPING said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    AnneJGP said:

    TOPPING said:

    (snipped)

    As an aside I thought it was telling by Watson on Pienaar that quite obviously he and Jezza hadn't discussed Jezza's no single market no A50 Mirror article.

    What a state Lab is in. Plus who has the authority? Media is reporting Lab won't obstruct A50 evidently taking Watson's as the authoritative version.
    One of the most fascinating outcomes of the EU referendum is the way it has almost broken the time-honoured political division of left & right.

    Indeed, if things do go very badly wrong economically for Brexit, then it is almost credible that the Lib Dems, as apparently the only Remain/Rejoin flag-bearers still standing, could pick up massive numbers of votes if the electorate really do change their minds under economic hardship.
    *If* it all goes belly-up (and I hope it does not), then the Lib Dems can claim to have been right on two of the biggest issues facing the UK since they were formed: the Iraq War and Brexit.

    If.
    I think the problem with that if, is that it would be very hard to prove any catastrophe was actually down to Brexit.
    They have already damaged their credibility on that score.
    Immediate recession
    Year long recession
    Etc etc.

    And the longer you get from June 23rd the harder it will be to link catastrophe with Brexit, especialy as there will be a hundred other things going on that can be blamed.
    No way. For years if not decades, every government will blame Brexit for anything that goes wrong in any policy sphere.

    Far from making UK politicians accountable to themselves, Brexit is, rather, the ultimate get out of jail card.
    Makes a change from blaming 'Fatcha'
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National Tracker of Latino Voters - Latino Decisions - Sample 500 - 24 Oct - 6 Nov

    Clinton 76 .. Trump 14

    http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/1514/7839/2130/Wk8_Full_Tracker.pdf

    or .... Clinton 45.8 .. Trump 42.4 if you prefer the LA Times tracker .... :smiley:
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @NoEasyDay"

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?


    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.'

    Exactly, my son's company has gone digital & actual printing of books has virtually ended in the EU.With major publishers switching to Hong Kong & China several years ago.

    I'm sure that anyone in any business that Tyson meets is going to exit the UK because of Brexit ,at least that's what he thinks they should say.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    weejonnie said:

    HYUFD said:

    MikeL said:

    20 highest weighted national polls per 538:

    - Clinton leads in 17
    - Trump leads in 2
    - One tied

    If polls are anywhere near right then surely Clinton must win pretty comfortably.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/#now

    RCP has Hillary's average national poll lead down to just 1.8%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
    12% of the population live in California and clinton has a 22% lead - thus 2.5% of the entire electorate is being wasted from Hillary's point of view.

    6% of the population live in New York and Clinton has a 20% lead - thus 1.2% of the entire electorate is being wasted from Hillary's point of view.

    Hence the reason why democrats bus voters between states the night before the election, so they can show they were domiciled in the more marginal state.This is not illegal.

    Fortunately for Trump - Florida is surrounded by red states, so it stands or falls on its own merits.
    Obama won California by 23% in 2012, New York by 28% so Trump is making a little progress there. He is making even more progress in Pennsylvania, which Obama won by 5%, Michigan, which Obama won by 10%, Minnestota, which Obama won by 8% and Wisconsin which Obama won by 7%. However for all his progress in these big blue states Trump is unlikely to obtain even one additional electoral vote. He is also likely to expand Romney's lead in the rustbelt and deep South, again without gaining any more electoral votes than Romney did
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    In the 1970s, people were saying that cinema was doomed, over-ridden by TV. Then Spielberg and Lucas came along.

    Books and publishing will continue; perhaps not in paper form (except as specialist fripperies, in the same way vinyl has). But it will continue.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
    It's % of each subgroup, not % of the electorate.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Does anyone have the slightest idea who's going to win on Tuesday?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Good Evening .....

    I hope PBers have advised their butler to instruct the footman to polish the silver cutlery ahead my little ARSE4US announcement at 9:00am tomorrow morning ....

    :innocent: .. :smile:

    Hillary herself has instructed her maid to print it out so she can peruse it in the comfort of her bed.
    "Print it out ..." !!!!!!!!!!

    I have a vellum scroll sent by private jet provided by the Clinton Foundation and sponsored by the Saudi royal family .. :smile:
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
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    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.

    There's more to publishing than books. And you can publish on multiple platforms.

    Any UK company that does a lot of business in the single market will be seeking to ensure they stay in the Single Market. It would be negligent to do otherwise.

    I was too narrow in using the term book.

    Certainly you can publish on many different platforms but it is one of those industries where it really doesn!t matter where you are based. You can have one man and a dog in an office where you want your registered business and your authors, contributers any where in the world.

    And if you need an ofice because you are publishing on paper....younare facing a quick business death.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    tyson said:

    JackW said:

    tyson said:

    Just to say JackW...you were spot on in 2012......so, no pressure on those cheeks......

    Cough ....

    And 08 .... :sunglasses:
    And bloody close on 2015, and called a NOM in 2010, and called the London mayoral elections, and various bye elections.....

    I can't recall what your ARSE was up to in 2005....but it has always been most lucrative....
    Post of the year .... :smiley:
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    edited November 2016
    JackW said:

    National Tracker of Latino Voters - Latino Decisions - Sample 500 - 24 Oct - 6 Nov

    Clinton 76 .. Trump 14

    http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/1514/7839/2130/Wk8_Full_Tracker.pdf

    or .... Clinton 45.8 .. Trump 42.4 if you prefer the LA Times tracker .... :smiley:

    Perhaps a few long odds punts on potential Spanish speaking candidates for 2020 would be a good investment...
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone have the slightest idea who's going to win on Tuesday?

    Yes thank you ....
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    tyson said:

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    It's like Woolies and HMV refusing to go digital.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    edited November 2016

    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795350877523628034

    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795351410254737418

    Noticias Telemundo poll of Latino voters

    76% for Hillary Clinton
    14% for Donald Trump,

    a 62 point margin
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Good Evening .....

    I hope PBers have advised their butler to instruct the footman to polish the silver cutlery ahead my little ARSE4US announcement at 9:00am tomorrow morning ....

    :innocent: .. :smile:

    Is it going to be map illustrated?

    I shall be on tenterhooks along with the rest of the political world!
    Yes .. :sunglasses:
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    tyson said:


    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Ireland is majority English speaking, also official in Gibraltar and Malta.
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    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    In the 1970s, people were saying that cinema was doomed, over-ridden by TV. Then Spielberg and Lucas came along.

    Books and publishing will continue; perhaps not in paper form (except as specialist fripperies, in the same way vinyl has). But it will continue.
    You are correct, but it will be Accrington Stanley.
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    JackW said:

    tyson said:

    JackW said:

    tyson said:

    Just to say JackW...you were spot on in 2012......so, no pressure on those cheeks......

    Cough ....

    And 08 .... :sunglasses:
    And bloody close on 2015, and called a NOM in 2010, and called the London mayoral elections, and various bye elections.....

    I can't recall what your ARSE was up to in 2005....but it has always been most lucrative....
    Post of the year .... :smiley:
    Did your ARSE cope with EURef? ;)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    In the 1970s, people were saying that cinema was doomed, over-ridden by TV. Then Spielberg and Lucas came along.

    Books and publishing will continue; perhaps not in paper form (except as specialist fripperies, in the same way vinyl has). But it will continue.
    Trains were supposed to be made redundant by cars in the 60s and 70s.
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    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone have the slightest idea who's going to win on Tuesday?

    Yes its between two really Trump or Clinton. Shes a crook he is a loon. Scylla and charabydis.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited November 2016
    A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

    Well they do say charity starts at home...
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    619 said:
    NV is funny - the numbers voting by mail collapsed - and that was usually good for the GOP.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    NoEasyDay said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    In the 1970s, people were saying that cinema was doomed, over-ridden by TV. Then Spielberg and Lucas came along.

    Books and publishing will continue; perhaps not in paper form (except as specialist fripperies, in the same way vinyl has). But it will continue.
    You are correct, but it will be Accrington Stanley.
    Nah.

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    In addition, TV and films rarely have enough money to do books justice.

    That is why books: whether printed, e-Ink, Audible or whatever - will continue.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2016

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    In the 1970s, people were saying that cinema was doomed, over-ridden by TV. Then Spielberg and Lucas came along.

    Books and publishing will continue; perhaps not in paper form (except as specialist fripperies, in the same way vinyl has). But it will continue.
    Any book I get in electronic form I always print out and comb bind on a tough old German-made comb binder. I've never read a book other than on paper.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:
    I could get the RCP average to a Trump lead if I only included the LA Times Tracker, Rasmussen and a few "polls" from Drudge.

    The reason the GOP inclined RCP average is at only Clinton +1.8 is they don't include some national polls with larger Clinton leads.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Latino Decisions – ‏@LatinoDecisions

    If you need a really good laugh in these final days - the infamous USC/LAT tracking poll has Latino vote at +3 Clinton. Final LD has it +63
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    619619 Posts: 1,784

    A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

    Well they do say charity starts at home...

    was it more or less than the amount of money Trump used from the trump foundation to buy his portrait?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    619 said:
    RCP has Trump up 2% in Nevada, in 2012 they had Obama ahead there in their final poll average. If you vote early just means you don't vote on the day
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    My guess for what its worth is that Clinton will win the popular vote by a modest margin(maybe 3%) but win the EC by a landslide picking up FL, NC, AZ, Col, NV, NM, Penn and probably Ohio as well, all by tiny margins. I personally think 350 is still achievable for her but in reality it will have been a much nearer run thing than that will indicate.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    619 said:
    Comey was stuck between a rock and a hard place...at least now when Clinton wins, she will get something of a clean slate....

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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
    No e.g 23% of white people didn't vote 2012, bad wording.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795350877523628034

    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795351410254737418

    Noticias Telemundo poll of Latino voters

    76% for Hillary Clinton
    14% for Donald Trump,

    a 62 point margin
    Trump wins NPA and does better with Democrats than Hillary does with Republicans in most polls
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    AndyJS said:


    Trains were supposed to be made redundant by cars in the 60s and 70s.

    Sunil in "INSANE TRAIN GEEK" mode (according to @SeanT !)

    Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2016 Edition. Rail routes that Sunil has done for the first time - Other routes were done for the first time in previous calendar years.

    January: Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly, Overton to Salisbury, Ashford to Eastbourne, Manningtree to Harwich

    February: Nottingham to Hucknall (NET tram), Alderley Edge to Cheadle Hulme, Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink), Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead, Newhaven Harbour to Seaford

    March: Ford to Bognor Regis, Polegate to Eastbourne, Crowhurst to St Leonards, Petersfield to Portsmouth, Portsmouth to Eastleigh, Derby to Matlock, Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)

    April: Faversham to Dover, Ely to Kings Lynn, Liverpool to Southport, Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze

    May: Ely to Norwich, Cambridge to Stowmarket, Stockport to Buxton, Barnham to Havant, Bedhampton to Cosham, Fareham to St Denys (Southampton), Island Line (Ryde to Shanklin, Isle of Wight), Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro)

    June: Ipswich to Lowestoft, Nottingham to Chesterfield, Nottingham to Clifton South (NET), Nottingham to Toton Lane (NET), David Lane to Phoenix Park (NET), Peterborough to Lincoln, Ramsgate to Dover

    July: Gloucester to Newport (Wales), Liverpool to Wigan North Western, Southampton to Weymouth, Nottingham to Lincoln, Grantham to Skegness, Gobowen to Chester, Norwich to Great Yarmouth (via Acle), Great Yarmouth to Norwich (via Berney Arms), Sileby to Melton Mowbray, Ipswich to Felixstowe

    August: Nottingham to Worksop, Salisbury to Westbury, Winsford to Manchester Airport, Manchester Airport to Piccadilly, Eastleigh to Salisbury, Norwich to Sheringham, Manchester Piccadilly to Leeds (via Huddersfield), Guide Bridge to Hadfield (via Glossop), Hadfield to Dinting (direct)

    September: Piccadilly to Bury (Manchester Metrolink), Salisbury to Exeter St. Davids (via Yeovil), Sheffield Station to Halfway (Supertram), Gleadless Townend to Herdings Park (Supertram), Brockenhurst to Lymington Pier, Birkenhead Hamilton Square to West Kirby, Birkenhead North to New Brighton, Reedham (Norfolk) to Lowestoft, Ely to Kennett, Wigan North Western to Preston

    October: Pewsey to Newton Abbot (avoiding Westbury and Frome), Stockport to Chester (via Altrincham), Redbridge (Hants.) to Romsey, Sheffield to Doncaster (avoiding Rotherham), Chippenham to Trowbridge, Manchester Piccadilly to Liverpool (via Warrington Central), Huyton to Manchester Deansgate (via Newton-le-Willows), Castle Cary to Yeovil Junction (via Pen Mill), Bruton to Frome, Hooton to Ellesmere Port, Ellesmere Port to Helsby, Bristol to Taunton (avoiding Weston-super-Mare), Langley Green to Smethwick Rolfe Street (engineering diversion!)

    November: Stockport to Sheffield
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    619 said:

    A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

    Well they do say charity starts at home...

    was it more or less than the amount of money Trump used from the trump foundation to buy his portrait?
    And your point is? They are both as bent as a nine bob note? The American public deserve better than these two.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Well he is about half the size he should be for a start.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    edited November 2016

    Sunil in "INSANE TRAIN GEEK" mode (according to @SeanT !)

    (Snip)

    January: Kidsgrove to Manchester Piccadilly, Overton to Salisbury, Ashford to Eastbourne, Manningtree to Harwich

    February: Nottingham to Hucknall (NET tram), Alderley Edge to Cheadle Hulme, Manchester Piccadilly to Ashton (Metrolink), Chester to Liverpool via Birkenhead, Newhaven Harbour to Seaford

    March: Ford to Bognor Regis, Polegate to Eastbourne, Crowhurst to St Leonards, Petersfield to Portsmouth, Portsmouth to Eastleigh, Derby to Matlock, Matlock to Rowsley South (Peak Rail)

    April: Faversham to Dover, Ely to Kings Lynn, Liverpool to Southport, Thorpe-le-Soken to Walton-on-Naze

    May: Ely to Norwich, Cambridge to Stowmarket, Stockport to Buxton, Barnham to Havant, Bedhampton to Cosham, Fareham to St Denys (Southampton), Island Line (Ryde to Shanklin, Isle of Wight), Bull Street to New Street (Midland Metro)

    June: Ipswich to Lowestoft, Nottingham to Chesterfield, Nottingham to Clifton South (NET), Nottingham to Toton Lane (NET), David Lane to Phoenix Park (NET), Peterborough to Lincoln, Ramsgate to Dover

    July: Gloucester to Newport (Wales), Liverpool to Wigan North Western, Southampton to Weymouth, Nottingham to Lincoln, Grantham to Skegness, Gobowen to Chester, Norwich to Great Yarmouth (via Acle), Great Yarmouth to Norwich (via Berney Arms), Sileby to Melton Mowbray, Ipswich to Felixstowe

    August: Nottingham to Worksop, Salisbury to Westbury, Winsford to Manchester Airport, Manchester Airport to Piccadilly, Eastleigh to Salisbury, Norwich to Sheringham, Manchester Piccadilly to Leeds (via Huddersfield), Guide Bridge to Hadfield (via Glossop), Hadfield to Dinting (direct)

    September: Piccadilly to Bury (Manchester Metrolink), Salisbury to Exeter St. Davids (via Yeovil), Sheffield Station to Halfway (Supertram), Gleadless Townend to Herdings Park (Supertram), Brockenhurst to Lymington Pier, Birkenhead Hamilton Square to West Kirby, Birkenhead North to New Brighton, Reedham (Norfolk) to Lowestoft, Ely to Kennett, Wigan North Western to Preston

    October: Pewsey to Newton Abbot (avoiding Westbury and Frome), Stockport to Chester (via Altrincham), Redbridge (Hants.) to Romsey, Sheffield to Doncaster (avoiding Rotherham), Chippenham to Trowbridge, Manchester Piccadilly to Liverpool (via Warrington Central), Huyton to Manchester Deansgate (via Newton-le-Willows), Castle Cary to Yeovil Junction (via Pen Mill), Bruton to Frome, Hooton to Ellesmere Port, Ellesmere Port to Helsby, Bristol to Taunton (avoiding Weston-super-Mare), Langley Green to Smethwick Rolfe Street (engineering diversion!)

    November: Stockport to Sheffield

    Time to get yourself a girlfriend. ;)

    Seriously though: that's impressive.

    Oh, and if the ride was rough on Matlock to Darley South: I might have helped lay the track. ;)
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194

    619 said:

    A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

    Well they do say charity starts at home...

    was it more or less than the amount of money Trump used from the trump foundation to buy his portrait?
    And your point is? They are both as bent as a nine bob note? The American public deserve better than these two.
    Might a "Lobby Your Electors" movement arise in the next six weeks, saying precisely that?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    How much money must TSE be spending to keep Ed Balls on Strictly Come Dancing? :smiley:
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a member.

    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Steven Shepard of "Politico" reports on the collywobbles in Camp Trump as taco drivers deliver the numbers for Clinton :

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/latino-vote-surge-donald-trump-campaign-230804
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795350877523628034

    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795351410254737418

    Noticias Telemundo poll of Latino voters

    76% for Hillary Clinton
    14% for Donald Trump,

    a 62 point margin
    Trump wins NPA and does better with Democrats than Hillary does with Republicans in most polls
    He isnt winning hispanic NPA'S. You see the poll below how he is doing with all hispanics?

    He isnt doing better with republican Hispanics either.
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    AnneJGP said:

    TOPPING said:

    (snipped)

    As an aside I thought it was telling by Watson on Pienaar that quite obviously he and Jezza hadn't discussed Jezza's no single market no A50 Mirror article.

    What a state Lab is in. Plus who has the authority? Media is reporting Lab won't obstruct A50 evidently taking Watson's as the authoritative version.
    One of the most fascinating outcomes of the EU referendum is the way it has almost broken the time-honoured political division of left & right.

    Indeed, if things do go very badly wrong economically for Brexit, then it is almost credible that the Lib Dems, as apparently the only Remain/Rejoin flag-bearers still standing, could pick up massive numbers of votes if the electorate really do change their minds under economic hardship.
    *If* it all goes belly-up (and I hope it does not), then the Lib Dems can claim to have been right on two of the biggest issues facing the UK since they were formed: the Iraq War and Brexit.

    If.
    They were right on the Iraq war. That's netted them 8 seats. If Brexit goes belly up they could double that eventually.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:
    I could get the RCP average to a Trump lead if I only included the LA Times Tracker, Rasmussen and a few "polls" from Drudge.

    The reason the GOP inclined RCP average is at only Clinton +1.8 is they don't include some national polls with larger Clinton leads.
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:
    I could get the RCP average to a Trump lead if I only included the LA Times Tracker, Rasmussen and a few "polls" from Drudge.

    The reason the GOP inclined RCP average is at only Clinton +1.8 is they don't include some national polls with larger Clinton leads.
    They mostly do in the 4-way and it is not much different there, a 2.2% Clinton lead, IBID-TIPP today has Trump up 1% for example
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited November 2016

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    No country for old men?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    Someone page Plato?

    "No criminality in Clinton emails - FBI"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138

    Seems I was wrong in their ability to do this quickly ...
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a member.

    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    What language does Ireland nominate? And Malta? Sweden?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?

    Jason Bourne maybe?
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    619 said:
    RCP has Trump up 2% in Nevada, in 2012 they had Obama ahead there in their final poll average. If you vote early just means you don't vote on the day
    Obama overperformed the average by 5 points. The dems did better in EV this year. I think NV is 90% Clinton's
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    NoEasyDay said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.

    There's more to publishing than books. And you can publish on multiple platforms.

    Any UK company that does a lot of business in the single market will be seeking to ensure they stay in the Single Market. It would be negligent to do otherwise.

    I was too narrow in using the term book.

    Certainly you can publish on many different platforms but it is one of those industries where it really doesn!t matter where you are based. You can have one man and a dog in an office where you want your registered business and your authors, contributers any where in the world.

    And if you need an ofice because you are publishing on paper....younare facing a quick business death.

    Well, we do B2B and we are growing at double figure rate year on year. We produce magazines, directories, management reports, Yearbooks, news and analysis blogs and email alerts, webinars, conferences and more besides. Most other B2Bs do the same. We will almost certainly be opening an office in the single market when the UK leaves it. Investments we would have made in our London office will be made in the new office instead.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    Scott_P said:

    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?

    Jason Bourne maybe?
    The godfather. Book is good but the film....
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    No country for old men?
    Not read the book, so I'll have to take your word for it.

    One I've thought of: the Barchester Chronicles. The TV series with Donald Pleasance, Nigel Hawthorne and a very young Alan Rickman was far superior to Trollope's book series IMO. And some say that was Trollope's best series ...
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    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    The Shining
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited November 2016
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?

    Jason Bourne maybe?
    The godfather. Book is good but the film....
    They are loads of films people don't realise come from a book...because the book wasn't very good. I think a better question is there a film version of a well known book that is superior to the book.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Well, we do B2B and we are growing at double figure rate year on year. We produce magazines, directories, management reports, Yearbooks, news and analysis blogs and email alerts, webinars, conferences and more besides. Most other B2Bs do the same. We will almost certainly be opening an office in the single market when the UK leaves it. Investments we would have made in our London office will be made in the new office instead.

    I passed a truck the other day that advertised 'doordrop media' as a service

    Better known as Junk Mail
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    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    UK physical book sales 2015 £2.75bn. Digital sales £554m. There's life in the old dog yet.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a member.

    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    They would I'm sure, but ironically it might even help the use of English as minus the UK it becomes nearly neutral ( Ireland and to a lesser extent Malta, I guess, excluded but they are tiddlers in EU terms ). English has survived and thrived in post 1947 India partly because, once the British left, it was a neutral alternative to the dominance of Hindi.

    Europe needs a real lingua Franca to work well, to get a shared media and culture (look how the U.S. election is so easily and detailedly followed on here because we have "open access" via the language).
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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    No country for old men?
    Not read the book, so I'll have to take your word for it.

    One I've thought of: the Barchester Chronicles. The TV series with Donald Pleasance, Nigel Hawthorne and a very young Alan Rickman was far superior to Trollope's book series IMO. And some say that was Trollope's best series ...
    Book series? The TV series only covered the first and second books of a six book series.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    welshowl said:

    Europe needs a real lingua Franca to work well, to get a shared media and culture (look how the U.S. election is so easily and detailedly followed on here because we have "open access" via the language).

    Although I wonder how long that will last. If the Latino block vote is now a thing, perhaps we should be watching Telemundo.
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    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    UK physical book sales 2015 £2.75bn. Digital sales £554m. There's life in the old dog yet.
    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dromedary said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a member.

    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    What language does Ireland nominate? And Malta? Sweden?
    Presumably Irish, Maltese and Swedish!
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,921
    Breaking News: 2 mins ago BBC saying FBI announce they have found no criminality in latest emails.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    Get Carter?
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Dromedary said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a member.

    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    What language does Ireland nominate? And Malta? Sweden?
    I don't know - my information comes from a discussion on here some months ago. It was said that, since obviously the UK nominates English for an official language, that allows several other countries to nominate their own less-spoken languages & still do business in English.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    SandraM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    No country for old men?
    Not read the book, so I'll have to take your word for it.

    One I've thought of: the Barchester Chronicles. The TV series with Donald Pleasance, Nigel Hawthorne and a very young Alan Rickman was far superior to Trollope's book series IMO. And some say that was Trollope's best series ...
    Book series? The TV series only covered the first and second books of a six book series.
    Well yes: of the ones they filmed. There was something about the tone of Trollope's writing that irritates me (admittedly I haven't read any recently), and the TV series was so utterly charming.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.

    I just bought 2 hardback books
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a membe
    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    It is just another step Anne for the UK being parochial.... And why academic and medics and the top brains will choose to go for placements in Europe...

    Something that struck me (us) though lunch....is that we (the UK) are sitting in Europe, we have a say on what goes on, we have a veto..it is a huge trading block, the political ramifications affect us in every single way...from security, to everything.... And as the UK we have extra gravitas, our language, our role in the UN etc..... And we have a central role in what is decided...from global warming, to security, to anything....And we've just chucked all of it away...for nothing....


    Who in their right minds would choose to move out of that to what? To throw all that influence away with our neighbours for what?

    It's not just the publishers that deal with universities....that talent...the brain drain.....Brexit is so utterly depressing on every conceivable level..

    But Brexit is Brexit...and the sooner we move to a hard Brexit, and understand how little we are in the grand scheme of things the better for me. Then and only then will people start to understand what we have given up.....
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited November 2016

    Someone page Plato?

    "No criminality in Clinton emails - FBI"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138

    Seems I was wrong in their ability to do this quickly ...

    Trump dropping out like a stone on Betfair - now 5.3 from 4.9. presumably as a result.

    Now 6 - what he was before the e-mail re-opening.

    IMHO this is over.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    The Shining
    Not sure about that one. Book is genuinely scary. Not one to read on your own. The scene in the bathroom and the hosepipe that may be coming alive...shiver. Brilliant at getting your imagination running riot.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    UK physical book sales 2015 £2.75bn. Digital sales £554m. There's life in the old dog yet.
    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.
    E-ink technology seems to have stalled as well.
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    SandraM said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    No country for old men?
    Not read the book, so I'll have to take your word for it.

    One I've thought of: the Barchester Chronicles. The TV series with Donald Pleasance, Nigel Hawthorne and a very young Alan Rickman was far superior to Trollope's book series IMO. And some say that was Trollope's best series ...
    Book series? The TV series only covered the first and second books of a six book series.

    Mr Men books.... Arthur Lowe was brilliant doing the voices

    High-brow.... That's me.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    English is the global language.

    Europeans refusing to use it? Little Europeans.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Scott_P said:

    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.

    I just bought 2 hardback books
    Scott_P said:

    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.

    I just bought 2 hardback books

    Publishers who deal in print are now competing against publishers who source their materials at 30/40% cheaper.....
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Clinton 1.2
    Trump 6

    Clinton was 1.27 only 15 mins ago.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    Here's an obscure one: I've tried to read CS Lewis's 'The Space Trilogy' before, but not got very far.

    Is it worth persevering?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    UK physical book sales 2015 £2.75bn. Digital sales £554m. There's life in the old dog yet.
    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.
    I happily buy novels for my Kindle, and easy read non-fiction. But if it is something that I intend to take notes from, or which I think will require considerable flipping backwards and forwards between pages or chapters, or something where I think I shall be writing my own notes in the margins, then nothing beats paper. Kindle is particularly clunky in jumping from page to page, or for searching for something you read 2 chapters earlier.

    In fact, anything which I work from, I print up, whether its a web page, an email or an attached document.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,459
    So the FBI found nothing so I suspect Comey's career is probably now on life support and it's a case of when not if he's fired.
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    NEW THREAD

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,387
    MTimT said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    None, they should more concerned that book publishing is doomed. The internet is putting them out of business, quickly.....memo to self find some publishers to short tomorrow.
    UK physical book sales 2015 £2.75bn. Digital sales £554m. There's life in the old dog yet.
    eBook sales have stalled in growth over the past 2 years. There is no real sign yet that they are going to kill off print books on the way digital music has done to CDs.
    I happily buy novels for my Kindle, and easy read non-fiction. But if it is something that I intend to take notes from, or which I think will require considerable flipping backwards and forwards between pages or chapters, or something where I think I shall be writing my own notes in the margins, then nothing beats paper. Kindle is particularly clunky in jumping from page to page, or for searching for something you read 2 chapters earlier.

    In fact, anything which I work from, I print up, whether its a web page, an email or an attached document.
    That (as a non Kindle reader) really surprises me. My son uses his IPAD at school and has done for the last 3 years. Being able to note, highlight and link comments to the text seems obviously useful and where paper should be behind.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    Game of Thrones.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    tyson said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a membe
    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    It is just another step Anne for the UK being parochial.... And why academic and medics and the top brains will choose to go for placements in Europe...

    Something that struck me (us) though lunch....is that we (the UK) are sitting in Europe, we have a say on what goes on, we have a veto..it is a huge trading block, the political ramifications affect us in every single way...from security, to everything.... And as the UK we have extra gravitas, our language, our role in the UN etc..... And we have a central role in what is decided...from global warming, to security, to anything....And we've just chucked all of it away...for nothing....


    Who in their right minds would choose to move out of that to what? To throw all that influence away with our neighbours for what?

    It's not just the publishers that deal with universities....that talent...the brain drain.....Brexit is so utterly depressing on every conceivable level..

    But Brexit is Brexit...and the sooner we move to a hard Brexit, and understand how little we are in the grand scheme of things the better for me. Then and only then will people start to understand what we have given up.....
    You massively overstate the hit to higher education, particularly research institutes. English is the language of scientific publication. That gives those working in English (which is far easier to do from a country where English is the mother tongue) have a huge advantage over those working elsewhere. This shows up not just in publications, but more importantly to scientists, in citations.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    welshowl said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a member.

    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    They would I'm sure, but ironically it might even help the use of English as minus the UK it becomes nearly neutral ( Ireland and to a lesser extent Malta, I guess, excluded but they are tiddlers in EU terms ). English has survived and thrived in post 1947 India partly because, once the British left, it was a neutral alternative to the dominance of Hindi.

    Europe needs a real lingua Franca to work well, to get a shared media and culture (look how the U.S. election is so easily and detailedly followed on here because we have "open access" via the language).
    Thank you so much - that is the first really positive identifiable benefit to the EU of the UK leaving that I've come across!
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    Scott_P said:

    Books have one advantage: the reader's imagination. Whenever you watch a TV program or a film of a book, you have interpreters between yourself and the author. With a book, you have just yourself.

    Which is why The Martian, the book, is better than The Martian, the movie

    And why no Jack Reacher film starring Tom Cruise will ever be any good
    Can anyone name any film or TV adaptations which are better than the book they come from? There must be some?
    The Shining

    The Shining is too ArtHouse....Too Kubrick stylised....Kubrick's much too much into photography and camerawork that it detracts from the narrative. His work became more obsessive later on, culminating in the ludicrous Eyes Wide Shut.

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144



    Time to get yourself a girlfriend. ;)

    Seriously though: that's impressive.

    Oh, and if the ride was rough on Matlock to Darley South: I might have helped lay the track. ;)

    The solitary life is Sunil's Permanent Way.....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,385

    Here's an obscure one: I've tried to read CS Lewis's 'The Space Trilogy' before, but not got very far.

    Is it worth persevering?

    If you found Rolt's Landscape Trilogy turgid, probably not. Similar sort of style and approach especially when it comes to embedded philosophy.

    Clinton to take Utah and carry out the first ever public lynching of an ex-FBI director? She's vindictive and she certainly will be plotting her revenge as we speak.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    tyson said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tyson said:

    john_zims said:

    @tyson

    'I've just been out to lunch and encountered some UK based publishers. They all said any serious publisher will be looking at moving their operations to the EU in light of Brexit.'


    Strange that's what my other half & son ( both with major publishers) do and there has been zero talk about it.

    What would be the advantage ?

    Online......journals...academic journals.......medical journals.......University attached publishers....for instance Oxford University Press is the largest income generator for the University......

    People were even questioning about the use of the English language at European conferences post Brexit.

    Really very depressing...but I'm very pleased to hear your son and wife will be OK...
    I understand that each member country nominates a language for the official EU business, and since only the UK nominates English, the EU will be obliged to manage without that language once we are no longer a membe
    I'm sure they will manage fine - why not?
    It is just another step Anne for the UK being parochial.... And why academic and medics and the top brains will choose to go for placements in Europe...

    Something that struck me (us) though lunch....is that we (the UK) are sitting in Europe, we have a say on what goes on, we have a veto..it is a huge trading block, the political ramifications affect us in every single way...from security, to everything.... And as the UK we have extra gravitas, our language, our role in the UN etc..... And we have a central role in what is decided...from global warming, to security, to anything....And we've just chucked all of it away...for nothing....


    Who in their right minds would choose to move out of that to what? To throw all that influence away with our neighbours for what?

    It's not just the publishers that deal with universities....that talent...the brain drain.....Brexit is so utterly depressing on every conceivable level..

    But Brexit is Brexit...and the sooner we move to a hard Brexit, and understand how little we are in the grand scheme of things the better for me. Then and only then will people start to understand what we have given up.....
    The UK's seat on the UN and Security Council has nothing to do with membership of the EU
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    619 said:

    HYUFD said:

    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    Percentage of each race that voted so far in Florida but didn't vote in 2012

    https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/795106645558837248

    Adds up to we'll over 100%. Some must have voted twice.
    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795350877523628034

    https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/795351410254737418

    Noticias Telemundo poll of Latino voters

    76% for Hillary Clinton
    14% for Donald Trump,

    a 62 point margin
    Trump wins NPA and does better with Democrats than Hillary does with Republicans in most polls
    He isnt winning hispanic NPA'S. You see the poll below how he is doing with all hispanics?

    He isnt doing better with republican Hispanics either.
    I was talking NPA's more generally
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