Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I was not aware that the contents of the E-Mails had been released yet, or what avenue the FBI wish to pursue with the case. – Is there a link to this new info?
Dunno. That's kind of what I'm asking Mr Gardenwalker who seems to be making statements about the emails.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
You may not need evidence, but I'm not sure how you can categorically say the emails weren't from Clinton.
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
You may not need evidence, but I'm not sure how you can categorically say the emails weren't from Clinton.
I am going by the leaks from the FBI (though not from Comey who has you said has revealed zip).
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Far too early to tell, but a) most of the stuff disussed on here bears little relation to polls and b) this saga is likely to run and run if Clinton wins and so has a large bearing on post-election politics.
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
You may not need evidence, but I'm not sure how you can categorically say the emails weren't from Clinton.
I am going by the leaks from the FBI (though not from Comey who has you said has revealed zip).
Do you have a link? I thought they were still reviewing them?
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
No I'm sorry you can't get away with that. You said emails were on Weiners's machine and you said none of the emails were from Clinton. I'm just asking how you know? I'm not aware that Comey has confirmed this. Feel free to correct me.
The rich and powerful should not get away with stuff which would annihilate regular folks.
If this means President Trump then (pauses slightly) so be it.
Isn't Donald Trump the patron saint of the rich and powerful getting away with stuff?
Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
You may not need evidence, but I'm not sure how you can categorically say the emails weren't from Clinton.
I am going by the leaks from the FBI (though not from Comey who has you said has revealed zip).
Which leaks?
We are looking at the electorate of the US having to interpret this innuendo and choose a President.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
I think that is probably correct.
The advantage of unspecified allegations is that they cannot be denied.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
If it can be spun as biased FBI chief trying to interfere in democratic election then I see a potential upside for Hilary which, I presume, is why the Dems have come out swinging so hard.
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
No I'm sorry you can't get away with that. You said emails were on Weiners's machine and you said none of the emails were from Clinton. I'm just asking how you know? I'm not aware that Comey has confirmed this. Feel free to correct me.
Not sure why my posts are arousing so much passion.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
I think that is probably correct.
The advantage of unspecified allegations is that they cannot be denied.
I was not aware of unspecified allegations, merely that the FBI have reopened the Clinton, investigation in light of new material coming to light. - The FBI are simply doing their job, and this time around will hopefully not be applying the double standards afforded to Hillary Clinton in the initial investigation which revealed a greater level of abuse of classified material that has recently scene two Generals debagged and a Sailor imprisoned for a year.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
If it can be spun as biased FBI chief trying to interfere in democratic election then I see a potential upside for Hilary which, I presume, is why the Dems have come out swinging so hard.
Given hiliary ain't exactly popular, not sure that approach works. Its like hunt vs doctors, the doctors had to really overdo before some of the public weren't so keen on striking doctors.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
If it can be spun as biased FBI chief trying to interfere in democratic election then I see a potential upside for Hilary which, I presume, is why the Dems have come out swinging so hard.
Except of course Hillary and the Dems were praising them to high heavens when they closed the case.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
If it can be spun as biased FBI chief trying to interfere in democratic election then I see a potential upside for Hilary which, I presume, is why the Dems have come out swinging so hard.
Hilary is widely perceived as dishonest (though Trump is perceived as even worse). The best option for her is to let the story fade.
Ha, ha. I am merely summarising the mood among some on here. I actually have no idea. My heart tells me that most American voters are not so stupid as to put Trump in the White House; but my head tells me I only know a very small, well-educated and extremely privileged portion of the population.
Fair play. It seems like yet another massive PB overreaction, but I guess we shall see...
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
I think that is probably correct.
The advantage of unspecified allegations is that they cannot be denied.
I was not aware of unspecified allegations, merely that the FBI have reopened the Clinton, investigation in light of new material coming to light. - The FBI are simply doing their job, and this time around will hopefully not be applying the double standards afforded to Hillary Clinton in the initial investigation which revealed a greater level of abuse of classified material that has recently scene two Generals debagged and a Sailor imprisoned for a year.
The whole story has set the rumour mill off, with no way to refute, as there is nothing to refute. It is a bizarre farce.
More of a scandal than clintons emails or trump views on women...the fact ed balls is still in strictly!!!
Which proves that the average intelligence of the population is miserably low.
Or the spiteful pull-the-wings-off-a-fly-and-watch-it-suffer nature of the population is given an outlet in making Ed Balls destroy his credibility piece by piece.....
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
More of a scandal than clintons emails or trump views on women...the fact ed balls is still in strictly!!!
Which proves that the average intelligence of the population is miserably low.
Or the spiteful pull-the-wings-off-a-fly-and-watch-it-suffer nature of the population is given an outlet in making Ed Balls destroy his credibility piece by piece.....
In an alternative universe CoE Ed Balls is discussing with Prime Minister Milliband how to implement the #edstone promises via the autumn statement.
How fickle fate is!
(I think Ed did rather well tonight, certainly looks more fun than being swatted by Cruella DeVille in Cabinet!)
Mr Gardenwalker seems to know a lot about these emails. Perhaps he can provide some evidence.
I don't need evidence to back up my argument, which is that unless the FBI was/is willing to actually provide any kind of information, then this announcement from Comey represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion into the democratic process.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
No I'm sorry you can't get away with that. You said emails were on Weiners's machine and you said none of the emails were from Clinton. I'm just asking how you know? I'm not aware that Comey has confirmed this. Feel free to correct me.
Not sure why my posts are arousing so much passion.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
Not necessarily Sean. They might have got Sarah Palin that way.
Palin would have been better than either. I genuinely believe that.
Now come on Sean. I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an ardent fan of Clinton or Trump, but they're both better than Palin. She combines the political acumen of Trump with the communication skills of Hilary, the sex drive of Bill and the gender politics awareness of Fiorina.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
So that is what she has done then? First time I have heard of that...
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
The rich and powerful should not get away with stuff which would annihilate regular folks.
If this means President Trump then (pauses slightly) so be it.
Obviously you think that. You're of the extreme right. However I suspect it's more likely that the current leadership of the FBI is toast. However you look at this it is a nakedly political attempt to influence the election.
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
I think that is probably correct.
The advantage of unspecified allegations is that they cannot be denied.
I was not aware of unspecified allegations, merely that the FBI have reopened the Clinton, investigation in light of new material coming to light. - The FBI are simply doing their job, and this time around will hopefully not be applying the double standards afforded to Hillary Clinton in the initial investigation which revealed a greater level of abuse of classified material that has recently scene two Generals debagged and a Sailor imprisoned for a year.
I think those generals deliberately leaked classified information, which is presumably a criminal offence, while failing to take adequate precautions to safeguard classified information isn't (Clinton).
Is she pro-runway? Or will that have to be another candidate...
She is indeed. The only pro-LHR3 candidate to declare so far (although she only says she 'hopes' to stand; there are a few admin hoops for her to jump through before she gets to be a candidate, and I have seen more sensible twitter feeds so let's see whether she manages to organise things....).
Clinton is a seasoned politician & administrator. I am ignorant I fear. If any of her emails have endangered the west can someone please give me precise information.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
Is she pro-runway? Or will that have to be another candidate...
She is indeed. The only pro-LHR3 candidate to declare so far (although she only says she 'hopes' to stand; there are a few admin hoops for her to jump through before she gets to be a candidate, and I have seen more sensible twitter feeds so let's see whether she manages to organise things....).
A pro-runway Mayite Tory would make for popcorn time.
The LDs should help her with her nomination papers!
I appreciate that some people on here are invested in Clinton/Trump, but is the INTENSE DISCUSSION about emails actually reflected in the polls?
Only came out yesterday so we don't know. I have a sneaking suspicion given the level of backlash againat comey that this could be an excellent Clinton buying opportunity.
Or a disastrous one.
Nate Silver is surely correct that there is no upside for Clinton in this story. We just don't know how big is the downside.
I think that is probably correct.
The advantage of unspecified allegations is that they cannot be denied.
I was not aware of unspecified allegations, merely that the FBI have reopened the Clinton, investigation in light of new material coming to light. - The FBI are simply doing their job, and this time around will hopefully not be applying the double standards afforded to Hillary Clinton in the initial investigation which revealed a greater level of abuse of classified material that has recently scene two Generals debagged and a Sailor imprisoned for a year.
I think those generals deliberately leaked classified information, which is presumably a criminal offence, while failing to take adequate precautions to safeguard classified information isn't (Clinton).
The actual charge Petraeus was convicted of was removing classified material from the designated building and keeping it in his house - which is what Clinton did with her server. It was a breach of security covered by the Espionage Act - Clinton's was also a breach of the Federal Records Act.
However, the aggravating factor (although not included on the indictment) was that he had shown it to his girlfriend, a journalist who was not security cleared, although she did not use it or repeat it. Clinton had not, and therefore although she was in technical breach of both acts the FBI decided this did not amount to a crime in and of itself.
More of a scandal than clintons emails or trump views on women...the fact ed balls is still in strictly!!!
Which proves that the average intelligence of the population is miserably low.
Or the spiteful pull-the-wings-off-a-fly-and-watch-it-suffer nature of the population is given an outlet in making Ed Balls destroy his credibility piece by piece.....
In an alternative universe CoE Ed Balls is discussing with Prime Minister Milliband how to implement the #edstone promises via the autumn statement.
How fickle fate is!
(I think Ed did rather well tonight, certainly looks more fun than being swatted by Cruella DeVille in Cabinet!)
But in that same alternative universe, Leicester have a single point at the bottom of the First Division....
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
She could have done in theory. She was silly. But no more than that. Ans she won't ever do it again. Trump is a sexual predator and a racist. That won't change. It's what he is.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
Leaving information classified as above top secret on an unsecured server would result in most people losing their job. Clinton is above the law so gets a pass.
However, the aggravating factor (although not included on the indictment) was that he had shown it to his girlfriend, a journalist who was not security cleared, although she did not use it or repeat it. Clinton had not, and therefore although she was in technical breach of both acts the FBI decided this did not amount to a crime in and of itself.
Yeah they basically decided there was no intent, and bought her "I didn't understand" explanation. I personally find it implausible that Clinton was unaware of what was being done and how it broke the regulations and law.
The soldier nearest to the camera is cradling a Bren Gun, the only decent infantry weapon the British Army had during the WW2, even if it was heavy. The Bren, while manufactured in Britain was originally invented by a Czech. The Lee Enfield rifle was inferior to the German Mauser and also heavier with a greater kick (recoil). And the Sten was next to useless in close combat. https://twitter.com/WWIIpix/status/792454430616588288
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
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Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
Leaving information classified as above top secret on an unsecured server would result in most people losing their job. Clinton is above the law so gets a pass.
What information of this nature did she leave on her personal email? There is a lot of stuff about hairdressing appointments on there. What else do you know? Gen Colin Powell also used personal emails, unwisely. Presumably he should be stripped of his rank and medals?
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
It's what I've been posting during this campaign. Hillary Clinton used a private server for official business; probably because she forgot her password, or couldn't get through the security system, and then just found it easier. She has since deleted her personal emails...which again I can understand. She didn't want her personal stuff made public. She has been investigated to high heaven and all that came out was that she breached protocol and was reckless. It's a non story...but because it's Hillary Clinton she deserves locking up.
Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
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Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
She could have done in theory. She was silly. But no more than that. Ans she won't ever do it again. Trump is a sexual predator and a racist. That won't change. It's what he is.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
You'll want to avoid the front page of The Sunday Telegraph
Brexiteers - Hard Brexit will pave way to trading riches.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Maybe you'd like to tell us when Carney has been right about anything recently. Whether it's forward guidance or the economic impact of Brexit he's consistently wrong. As for his most recent cut in interest rates, words fail me. His arrogance is nauseating. If he does not resign the PM should sack him.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Rich Tory Brexiteers are happy to inflict misery on those who can afford it least because Carney has not said and done what they want. No real surprise.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
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I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
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This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
That trivializes what is nevertheless a very serious error made, it would seem, for personal convenience alone. That others have done the same is no excuse, it is definitely something that deserves punishment.
I'd still vote for her over Trump though. She'll get a pass from many because of who the opponent is, but when the defence of her actions amount at best to her being stupid, when knowledge and experience are supposed to be her strong points, that is not something anybody should forget. So making a judgement her transgressions though bad can be overlooked right now, does not mean presenting it as a non issue because she hasn't divulged nuclear secrets and the like.
With confidential material, that you happen to be lucky and nothing untoward slips out and no one is disadvantaged does not mean carelessness and reckless does not warrant censure of some kind. That the possibility existed because of carelessness and recklessness is worrisome enough.
Mr. Observer, on the plus side, someone here did tip Trump for North Carolina at about 3.5.
Mr Dancer, I would like to say that the safety of the planet trumps the optimum outcome for your book.
The snag is that it is now nearly impossible to make the argument that one of these two is not an appalling cretin who should be locked up with a straight face.
I just don't see equivalence between Hillary not using proper email protocols and Trump's racism and sexual predatory.
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Irrespective of Trump's sexual character, his racism, his wall, his stupid ranting and lying...he is a psychotic narcissist.
You cannot say the two are the same. You can't...a three year old child could tell you that. If you do think they are the same, your judgement is completely clouded by your ideological bigotry.
But I accept, that people support Trump despite all his faults...that is something else. They know what he is but they hate lefties so much, that they would prefer him to be POTUS.
This seems to be the measure of it. Gen Colin Powell also used a personal email account. It's not wise and you can see the pitfalls, but really? It's not the worst thing in the world, far from it. Emailers are the new birthers.
No - I mean discussing America's nuclear secrets on a server that can be hacked has no possible downside whatsoever.
It's a very stupid thing to do and clearly deserves censure. It is not racism, it is not predatory sexual behaviour.
Has she in fact divulged America's nuclear secrets? No she has not
Leaving information classified as above top secret on an unsecured server would result in most people losing their job. Clinton is above the law so gets a pass.
What information of this nature did she leave on her personal email? There is a lot of stuff about hairdressing appointments on there. What else do you know? Gen Colin Powell also used personal emails, unwisely. Presumably he should be stripped of his rank and medals?
Do you engage your brain before typing? The information is classified. The State Department have stated that the emails will not be released.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Maybe you'd like to tell us when Carney has been right about anything recently. Whether it's forward guidance or the economic impact of Brexit he's consistently wrong. As for his most recent cut in interest rates, words fail me. His arrogance is nauseating. If he does not resign the PM should sack him.
The governor of the Bank of England has been so wrong that the economy actually seems to be functioning pretty well so far post-Brexit.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Thing is though, we despatetly need higher interest rates, like seriously, it's bending stuff out of shape big time. Carney just doesn't seem to even give a nod to this. Frankly it's just la la la I can't hear you. Problem to be honest, whatever his other qualities. Big problem.
More of a scandal than clintons emails or trump views on women...the fact ed balls is still in strictly!!!
Which proves that the average intelligence of the population is miserably low.
Or the spiteful pull-the-wings-off-a-fly-and-watch-it-suffer nature of the population is given an outlet in making Ed Balls destroy his credibility piece by piece.....
In an alternative universe CoE Ed Balls is discussing with Prime Minister Milliband how to implement the #edstone promises via the autumn statement.
How fickle fate is!
(I think Ed did rather well tonight, certainly looks more fun than being swatted by Cruella DeVille in Cabinet!)
But in that same alternative universe, Leicester have a single point at the bottom of the First Division....
A good away point Spurs today. Leicester are back to their old selves, meanwhile Spurs are getting their choking in earlier this season. My money is on Bayer Leverkusen on Wednesday, though their form is pisspoor too.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Maybe you'd like to tell us when Carney has been right about anything recently. Whether it's forward guidance or the economic impact of Brexit he's consistently wrong. As for his most recent cut in interest rates, words fail me. His arrogance is nauseating. If he does not resign the PM should sack him.
The governor of the Bank of England has been so wrong that the economy actually seems to be functioning pretty well so far post-Brexit.
Contrary to all his expectations, and virtually all of the Remainers, Including you?
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Thing is though, we despatetly need higher interest rates, like seriously, it's bending stuff out of shape big time. Carney just doesn't seem to even give a nod to this. Frankly it's just la la la I can't hear you. Problem to be honest, whatever his other qualities. Big problem.
Doesn't the monetary policy committee set the interest rate? Should they all be fired?
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Maybe you'd like to tell us when Carney has been right about anything recently. Whether it's forward guidance or the economic impact of Brexit he's consistently wrong. As for his most recent cut in interest rates, words fail me. His arrogance is nauseating. If he does not resign the PM should sack him.
The governor of the Bank of England has been so wrong that the economy actually seems to be functioning pretty well so far post-Brexit.
Contrary to all his expectations, and virtually all of the Remainers, Including you?
Good news indeed. Let's declare Brexit a success and put it behind us.
I think those generals deliberately leaked classified information, which is presumably a criminal offence, while failing to take adequate precautions to safeguard classified information isn't (Clinton).
The actual charge Petraeus was convicted of was removing classified material from the designated building and keeping it in his house - which is what Clinton did with her server. It was a breach of security covered by the Espionage Act - Clinton's was also a breach of the Federal Records Act.
However, the aggravating factor (although not included on the indictment) was that he had shown it to his girlfriend, a journalist who was not security cleared, although she did not use it or repeat it. Clinton had not, and therefore although she was in technical breach of both acts the FBI decided this did not amount to a crime in and of itself.
The key word is "knowingly" removing classified material. Comey claimed in his July statement that no reasonable prosecutor could bring a case on that basis. David Patraeus looked out classified information to pass onto his biographer. Hillary Clinton failed to secure emails that she was expected to send and receive as part of her job. At least that's the situation as of the last investigation.
Addendum. I can understand people might think the email thing bars Clinton from office. But in a ranking of scandals it's nothing special. Certainly not on the scale of the Iran Contra deal that did Reagan no harm at all.
The BBC pushing support for Hillary for all it's worth on tonights 10:00pm news.
It's almost like they don't understand no one here has a vote.
It's well known that people living in backwards, repressive countries with no free media will do anything they can to find a way to receive the BBC's output so they can get the truth.
The BBC pushing support for Hillary for all it's worth on tonights 10:00pm news.
It's almost like they don't understand no one here has a vote.
It's well known that people living in backwards, repressive countries with no free media will do anything they can to find a way to receive the BBC's output so they can get the truth.
Yes, no doubt Cliff Richard and Lord McAlpine would agree with you, amongst others.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Maybe you'd like to tell us when Carney has been right about anything recently. Whether it's forward guidance or the economic impact of Brexit he's consistently wrong. As for his most recent cut in interest rates, words fail me. His arrogance is nauseating. If he does not resign the PM should sack him.
The governor of the Bank of England has been so wrong that the economy actually seems to be functioning pretty well so far post-Brexit.
Contrary to all his expectations, and virtually all of the Remainers, Including you?
No, I never predicted disaster. It'll be a slow burn that will mean lost oppirtunities and lower standards of living, but we won't fall off a cliff.
Having identified potential dangers Carney took action to prevent them happening. Sounds like a good idea to me.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Thing is though, we despatetly need higher interest rates, like seriously, it's bending stuff out of shape big time. Carney just doesn't seem to even give a nod to this. Frankly it's just la la la I can't hear you. Problem to be honest, whatever his other qualities. Big problem.
Doesn't the monetary policy committee set the interest rate? Should they all be fired?
Yes. Or at the least a greater consideration should be given to what measures need to be taken to get inflation to 2% (and beyond in my view) to enable a rise in interest rates by a meaningful amount.
I see all the EU-haters have their knives out for Governor Carney in the Express comments. Accompanying a false news splash that he is quitting.... but not until 2018 ! Carney said no more than any sensible person would have done before the EU Referendum. The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
I think the Brexiteer pursuit of Carney is mad and self-harming. He's a highly regarded central banker. He's the only guy that stood up and faced the flak in the the days right after the vote, when BOTH sides went AWOL and got drunk - from Boris to Dave. The UK is clearly in danger of being further and dangerously downgraded, and with a huge deficit to finance, and Carney is seen as a sensible guy and source of continuity. FFS leave him be.
I sometimes despise my fellow Brexiteers for their stupidity.
Maybe you'd like to tell us when Carney has been right about anything recently. Whether it's forward guidance or the economic impact of Brexit he's consistently wrong. As for his most recent cut in interest rates, words fail me. His arrogance is nauseating. If he does not resign the PM should sack him.
The governor of the Bank of England has been so wrong that the economy actually seems to be functioning pretty well so far post-Brexit.
Contrary to all his expectations, and virtually all of the Remainers, Including you?
No, I never predicted disaster. It'll be a slow burn that will mean lost oppirtunities and lower standards of living, but we won't fall off a cliff.
Having identified potential dangers Carney took action to prevent them happening. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Well, it's a view. So I take it you supported the cut in interest rates to 0.25%? If so, perhaps you'd explain what exactly you think it's achieved,
Not necessarily Sean. They might have got Sarah Palin that way.
Palin would have been better than either. I genuinely believe that.
Now come on Sean. I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an ardent fan of Clinton or Trump, but they're both better than Palin. She combines the political acumen of Trump with the communication skills of Hilary, the sex drive of Bill and the gender politics awareness of Fiorina.
Or were you thinking of one of her daughters?
I think a Trump presidency OR a Clinton presidency will embarrass and disgrace America. Trump's policies are nativist and probably damaging, Clinton's are non existent, she relies on a gross, hypocritical sense of entitlement as a woman and as a Clinton.
Palin was a smart working class white woman who fought her way up through very tough circumstances. She sounded a bit mad, sometimes, but Americans always sound a bit mad to Brits. She might have been an American Thatcher. We will never know.
If I were a Yank I'd vote Palin over Trump or Hillary
I wonder what people thought over here in the (pre-internet) days when an aging B-movie actor, whose major claim to fame was starring with a chimp, won the American election?
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Or a disastrous one.
If Comey had a legal obligation to update (as some here suggest), he really ought to have booked some sudden vacation until after the election.
If it *should* come about that these new emails are somehow incriminating, then I expect due legal process to take place, which in the event of a Hillary win I presume means impeachment.
And (on current showing) what a dreadful role model she will be.
She will need to be an exceptionally good POTUS to give a result that makes her a genuinely historic figure.
Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
We are looking at the electorate of the US having to interpret this innuendo and choose a President.
It is a bizarre way to run a country.
It's the way she tells 'em...
The advantage of unspecified allegations is that they cannot be denied.
Weiner's machine:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html?
https://sso.foxnews.com/static/server.html?origin=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/29/abedin-weiner-electronic-device-was-laptop-had-tens-thousands-emails-source.html
Emails are "not from or to Clinton"
http://europe.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-comey-donald-trump-anthony-weiner-huma-abedin-514918?rm=eu
Off Topic - can you imagine the number of times Trump,s animatronic figure would be trashed in the Hall of Presidents if he won.
He looks to be getting fitter.
He's a likeable geezer, at least at a distance.
I'm shocked I tell. I was convinced all those child immigrants were children not 22 year olds.
How fickle fate is!
(I think Ed did rather well tonight, certainly looks more fun than being swatted by Cruella DeVille in Cabinet!)
Just as well she has no important tasks anymore...
https://twitter.com/MargotLJParker/status/792471523034591232
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?tid=pm_national_pop_b&utm_term=.af7fe4a70d62
It is more fun, however, to remember last year's llama drama in Sun City Arizona:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/26/us/arizona-llamas-escape/index.html
Or were you thinking of one of her daughters?
I mean, these two are very poor, but it could be slightly worse.
Equally, it should be much better.
If any of her emails have endangered the west can someone please give me precise information.
The LDs should help her with her nomination papers!
However, the aggravating factor (although not included on the indictment) was that he had shown it to his girlfriend, a journalist who was not security cleared, although she did not use it or repeat it. Clinton had not, and therefore although she was in technical breach of both acts the FBI decided this did not amount to a crime in and of itself.
The Remainers can't get over losing and the Brexiteers are upset because they claim all economic forecasts were wrong. We ain't left the EU yet - too early to tell the impact of Brexit.
https://twitter.com/WWIIpix/status/792454430616588288
Brexiteers - Hard Brexit will pave way to trading riches.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/792468388547272704
I'd still vote for her over Trump though. She'll get a pass from many because of who the opponent is, but when the defence of her actions amount at best to her being stupid, when knowledge and experience are supposed to be her strong points, that is not something anybody should forget. So making a judgement her transgressions though bad can be overlooked right now, does not mean presenting it as a non issue because she hasn't divulged nuclear secrets and the like.
With confidential material, that you happen to be lucky and nothing untoward slips out and no one is disadvantaged does not mean carelessness and reckless does not warrant censure of some kind. That the possibility existed because of carelessness and recklessness is worrisome enough.
She is lucky Trump seems legitimately dangerous.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html
Addendum. I can understand people might think the email thing bars Clinton from office. But in a ranking of scandals it's nothing special. Certainly not on the scale of the Iran Contra deal that did Reagan no harm at all.
Having identified potential dangers Carney took action to prevent them happening. Sounds like a good idea to me.