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    frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    edited October 2016
    In domestic one-day cricket in recent years we have seen many full tosses that were destined to hit the wicket ruled illegal because the batsmen had advanced down the pitch to meet them.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,368

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Woakes somewhat fortunate there. Not at all sure that was a no ball.

    He got a lucky reprieve there. That was a fair bouncer, what was left of the Banglas' morale is quickly evaporating!
    Not a bouncer but a full toss. Truly dreadful ball but a legal one.
    I am not watching, but would this pitch be reported if it was in County cricket.. seems like it to me
    Not sure to be honest. It is a very long way from an England pitch but it doesn't seem to be changing much. Bounce is pretty variable but its not cracking up or anything. Just really alien conditions for English batsmen which makes Woakes and Rashid's efforts all the more remarkable.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,788

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Woakes somewhat fortunate there. Not at all sure that was a no ball.

    He got a lucky reprieve there. That was a fair bouncer, what was left of the Banglas' morale is quickly evaporating!
    Not a bouncer but a full toss. Truly dreadful ball but a legal one.
    I am not watching, but would this pitch be reported if it was in County cricket.. seems like it to me
    Can't be that much wrong with it if England can score their highest ever ninth wicket partnership in Asia.
    :-)
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    For me the e-mails are a disgrace but the real reason that Clinton is not fit to be President is set out most clearly in this Wall Street Journal article:http://www.wsj.com/articles/doesnt-clinton-embarrass-democrats-1477611135

    The short version:

    "Conflict of interest is the Clinton business model. And political influence is the product. That’s how Hillary and Bill managed to gross more than a Rolling Stones tour by delivering speeches. Looking at how successful Mrs. Clinton and her husband were in monetizing her position as secretary of state, why would any voter, of any party, want to see how much revenue she can squeeze from the Oval Office? "

    Its a hell of a choice.

    Better a crook than a thin-skinned egomaniac. You can impeach a crook. God knows what Trump might do the first time he gets embarrassed in an international stand-off.
    I probably agree but the WSJ is spot on. Clearly the GOP is embarrassed by Trump but why are Dems not embarrassed by Hilary? She is corrupt, deeply corrupt. And that is very dangerous to a democracy, especially if people are seen to get away with it.
    The smarter ones are tbh and they voted for Bernie in the primaries. It's also why there is no real enthusiasm for Clinton, most people know she's s crook and privately realise she's not going to be a good POTUS, but still the alternative is on the level of an escaped mental patient.
    Also he has said the election is rigged basically because he was losing, which is even worse for a democracy.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited October 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    LEVEL! What an effort.

    Fantastic from Woakes and Rashid, two English bowlers rescuing the game with the bat. Again.

    The Banglas in the field look completely demoralised, out to 3.3 on Betfair now too.
    Rashid has 10 first class centuries to his name - and Woakes must surely be the strongest number nine in test cricket ?
    That's probably right. England are very lucky with the depth of their batting at the moment, has got them out of the poo several times in the last couple of years.

    I believe this isn't by accident though, the coaches have worked as much with the bowlers on their batting, as their bowling - in situations like this it can literally turn the match around.
    Runs scored by the tail count just as much as runs scored by the specialist batsmen. And I would imagine that once players are top professionals picked for their country, it might be easier to coach a bowler from an average of 15 to 25 than a batsman from an average of 40 to 45.
    Very true. A couple of decades ago, as others have also said, our bowlers barely knew which way round the pads went. Now we have numbers 9 and 10 who can put on a hundred partnership on a day when the specialist batsmen couldn't deliver the runs.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,368
    ydoethur said:

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?

    Buttler, please let it be Buttler. Make our mid order genuinely scary for opposing bowlers.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,295
    Morning all,

    We need US polls pronto.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited October 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    LEVEL! What an effort.

    Fantastic from Woakes and Rashid, two English bowlers rescuing the game with the bat. Again.

    The Banglas in the field look completely demoralised, out to 3.3 on Betfair now too.
    Rashid has 10 first class centuries to his name - and Woakes must surely be the strongest number nine in test cricket ?
    That's probably right. England are very lucky with the depth of their batting at the moment, has got them out of the poo several times in the last couple of years.

    I believe this isn't by accident though, the coaches have worked as much with the bowlers on their batting, as their bowling - in situations like this it can literally turn the match around.
    Runs scored by the tail count just as much as runs scored by the specialist batsmen. And I would imagine that once players are top professionals picked for their country, it might be easier to coach a bowler from an average of 15 to 25 than a batsman from an average of 40 to 45.
    Very true. A couple of decades ago, as others have also said, our bowlers barely knew which way round the pads went. Now we have numbers 9 and 10 who can put on a hundred partnership on a day when the specialist batsmen couldn't deliver the runs.
    I wonder if this is a result of central contracts. Are the counties just focusing on the bowlers' bowling?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited October 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    LEVEL! What an effort.

    Fantastic from Woakes and Rashid, two English bowlers rescuing the game with the bat. Again.

    The Banglas in the field look completely demoralised, out to 3.3 on Betfair now too.
    Rashid has 10 first class centuries to his name - and Woakes must surely be the strongest number nine in test cricket ?
    That's probably right. England are very lucky with the depth of their batting at the moment, has got them out of the poo several times in the last couple of years.

    I believe this isn't by accident though, the coaches have worked as much with the bowlers on their batting, as their bowling - in situations like this it can literally turn the match around.
    Runs scored by the tail count just as much as runs scored by the specialist batsmen. And I would imagine that once players are top professionals picked for their country, it might be easier to coach a bowler from an average of 15 to 25 than a batsman from an average of 40 to 45.
    Very true. A couple of decades ago, as others have also said, our bowlers barely knew which way round the pads went. Now we have numbers 9 and 10 who can put on a hundred partnership on a day when the specialist batsmen couldn't deliver the runs.
    Its all in the mind . Duckett should be at 4 .Hameed opening. Balance, not up to it. Too many coaches try to tinker and play people "out of position" The England football team is notorious for it
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Woakes goes.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,368
    Mehedi is a phenomenon. Are we seeing the very start of the next Murili?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    DavidL said:

    Mehedi is a phenomenon. Are we seeing the very start of the next Murili?

    No.

    Mehedi can bat too. He might just be the spark Bangladesh need to become rather a dangerous side.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited October 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    LEVEL! What an effort.

    Fantastic from Woakes and Rashid, two English bowlers rescuing the game with the bat. Again.

    The Banglas in the field look completely demoralised, out to 3.3 on Betfair now too.
    Rashid has 10 first class centuries to his name - and Woakes must surely be the strongest number nine in test cricket ?
    That's probably right. England are very lucky with the depth of their batting at the moment, has got them out of the poo several times in the last couple of years.

    I believe this isn't by accident though, the coaches have worked as much with the bowlers on their batting, as their bowling - in situations like this it can literally turn the match around.
    Runs scored by the tail count just as much as runs scored by the specialist batsmen. And I would imagine that once players are top professionals picked for their country, it might be easier to coach a bowler from an average of 15 to 25 than a batsman from an average of 40 to 45.
    Very true. A couple of decades ago, as others have also said, our bowlers barely knew which way round the pads went. Now we have numbers 9 and 10 who can put on a hundred partnership on a day when the specialist batsmen couldn't deliver the runs.
    I wonder if this is a result of central contracts. Are the counties just focusing on the bowlers' bowling?
    It's certainly a result of increased professionalism and the number of coaches employed by the ECB. The counties don't have the same resources available to make bowlers into all-rounders, compared to the Central setup.

    Edit: New ball does the job. 244ao.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    ydoethur said:

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?

    Ali can go almost as high in the order as he needs to. He bats at 3 for Worcs...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    All out for 244.

    Can Tamim wipe that out quickly and crack on? If he fails then you would have to make England hot favourites notwithstanding the excellent Monimul Haque.

    Whoever wins it's been a fabulous series. I hope it encourages more teams to offer Bangladesh Tests, as they seem to be developing into one of the more interesting sides in world cricket.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,368
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Mehedi is a phenomenon. Are we seeing the very start of the next Murili?

    No.

    Mehedi can bat too. He might just be the spark Bangladesh need to become rather a dangerous side.
    One of the reasons Murili got so many wickets is because he was so far the best in his side. Mehedi will be in that position too. The limiting factor may be how many test matches BD play but he is picking wickets up at a hell of a rate.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    Mortimer said:

    ydoethur said:

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?

    Ali can go almost as high in the order as he needs to. He bats at 3 for Worcs...
    And Ansari opens for Surrey!

    I don't think Moeen has quite the technique for a no3 in Tests. He might be a useful counterattacking no4.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Mehedi is a phenomenon. Are we seeing the very start of the next Murili?

    No.

    Mehedi can bat too. He might just be the spark Bangladesh need to become rather a dangerous side.
    One of the reasons Murili got so many wickets is because he was so far the best in his side. Mehedi will be in that position too. The limiting factor may be how many test matches BD play but he is picking wickets up at a hell of a rate.
    Yes agreed. But my point was if he continues like this given his all round skills he might actually be better than the man who is deservedly the most successful Test bowler of all time.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    ydoethur said:

    Mortimer said:

    ydoethur said:

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?

    Ali can go almost as high in the order as he needs to. He bats at 3 for Worcs...
    And Ansari opens for Surrey!

    I don't think Moeen has quite the technique for a no3 in Tests. He might be a useful counterattacking no4.
    You're probably right.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    F1: one of these odds is wrong. Vettel's 9 to win with Ladbrokes (third favourite). Raikkonen is 41.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    There was a guest on CNN speculating about Wiener doing a plea bargain/immunity from prosecution because he could be facing a 10 to 15 year stretch for allegedly sexting the 15 year old. The CNN host, Don Lemon seemed pissed off that anyone should suggest such a thing.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    There was a guest on CNN speculating about Wiener doing a plea bargain/immunity from prosecution because he could be facing a 10 to 15 year stretch for allegedly sexting the 15 year old. The CNN host, Don Lemon seemed pissed off that anyone should suggest such a thing.

    That's one hell of a deal if there's any element of truth to it! He's not going to get off a 10-15 though, unless he's got enough actual evidence to put Hillary away for perjury or treason.

    She's been pretty good at avoiding anything directly incriminating so far, but nothing surprises me any more about this farce of an election.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    David

    You should not be restrained in generalising from these two relatively minor cases of political cronyism.

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership. This is government by reprimand - little peevish telling offs for Ministers who try to fill the vacuum of governance by doing or even just saying something.

    This administration is heading for the rocks without a captain worthy of the name.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership. This is government by reprimand - little peevish telling offs for Ministers who try to fill the vacuum of governance by doing or even just saying something.

    This administration is heading for the rocks without a captain worthy of the name.

    I could make a rather unkind comment about how that shows she does pay attention to Nicola Sturgeon in some things...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,123
    edited October 2016

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    For me the e-mails are a disgrace but the real reason that Clinton is not fit to be President is set out most clearly in this Wall Street Journal article:http://www.wsj.com/articles/doesnt-clinton-embarrass-democrats-1477611135

    The short version:

    "Conflict of interest is the Clinton business model. And political influence is the product. That’s how Hillary and Bill managed to gross more than a Rolling Stones tour by delivering speeches. Looking at how successful Mrs. Clinton and her husband were in monetizing her position as secretary of state, why would any voter, of any party, want to see how much revenue she can squeeze from the Oval Office? "

    Its a hell of a choice.

    Better a crook than a thin-skinned egomaniac. You can impeach a crook. God knows what Trump might do the first time he gets embarrassed in an international stand-off.
    I probably agree but the WSJ is spot on. Clearly the GOP is embarrassed by Trump but why are Dems not embarrassed by Hilary? She is corrupt, deeply corrupt. And that is very dangerous to a democracy, especially if people are seen to get away with it.
    The smarter ones are tbh and they voted for Bernie in the primaries. It's also why there is no real enthusiasm for Clinton, most people know she's s crook and privately realise she's not going to be a good POTUS, but still the alternative is on the level of an escaped mental patient.
    What is extraordinary is that the Democrats didn't have a meaningful choice beyond Hillary or Sanders. Any quality governor or senator (or vice-president!) who'd chosen to stand would now be coasting to the White House
    There was Martin O'Malley but he dropped out after coming a poor third in Iowa. The rise of Trump and Sanders is simply a reflection of the anti establishment mood across most western democracies at the moment, including post Brexit and Corbyn, our own.

    I have now put a small bet on the winner of the Electoral College losing the popular vote, with these latest emailgate revelations there is a chance we could be heading for a repeat of 2000, only this time with Trump narrowly winning the popular vote and Florida and Ohio but Hillary holding on in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia and Colorado. Even now pre the latest emailgate revelations Trump leads the popular vote in at least one poll, the LA Times but no poll has him leading Pennsylvania or New Hampshire as yet
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    ydoethur

    Ms Sturgeon has been vindicated twice at the polls in Scotland with votes of 50 per cent in the General Election and 47 per cent in the Scottish General Election. Her stance on the referendum was backed by 62 per cent of her electorate. Certainly she was dealt a good hand by her predecessor but she has played it well.

    Her achievements are against a daily barrage from uber unionist newspapers (Mail, Telegraph Herald, Scotsman, Times and the mad Express) which many posters in this column are foolish enough to cite as if proximate to reality.

    In contrast May has no mandate from anyone, not even the Tory Party, and it is showing in her obvious lack of confidence. She carries the uncritical support of virtually all of the Europhobic press, faces a pathetic opposition, but her administration is still heading south at a rate of knots.
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    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    LEVEL! What an effort.

    Fantastic from Woakes and Rashid, two English bowlers rescuing the game with the bat. Again.

    The Banglas in the field look completely demoralised, out to 3.3 on Betfair now too.
    The tail being capable of wagging seems to be one of the biggest changes that has caused England to be much more successful than in the past. Growing up Down Under in the nineties it always seemed for English cricket to basically be 5 Out is then All Out.
    An exaggeration Mr Thompson.

    Growing up in England we knew full well that it was Atherton out, all out.
    Mike Atherton's test average was only 37.69 - below that of Gooch, Stewart, Thorpe and Robin Smith from that era. Only fractionally above that of Nasser Hussein's as well.

    Atherton really wasn't as good as he is believed to have been.

    Most of his best performances came against South Africa rather than Australia.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/8579.html

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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited October 2016
    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,788
    ydoethur said:

    Mortimer said:

    ydoethur said:

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?

    Ali can go almost as high in the order as he needs to. He bats at 3 for Worcs...
    And Ansari opens for Surrey!

    I don't think Moeen has quite the technique for a no3 in Tests. He might be a useful counterattacking no4.
    I'd bring in Hameed at 2, move Duckett to 4, and drop Ballance. We need two specialist openers in Asia.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,997

    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

    Fired Fox FFS
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Barnesian said:

    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

    Fired Fox FFS
    Which would have got comments from people like scotslass along the lines of "the fact that she has fired him so soon after appointing him shows that she is a terrible PM, doesn't know what she's doing, yada, yada, yada" zzzzzzzzzzz.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    scotslass said:

    ydoethur

    Ms Sturgeon has been vindicated twice at the polls in Scotland with votes of 50 per cent in the General Election and 47 per cent in the Scottish General Election. Her stance on the referendum was backed by 62 per cent of her electorate. Certainly she was dealt a good hand by her predecessor but she has played it well.

    Her achievements are against a daily barrage from uber unionist newspapers (Mail, Telegraph Herald, Scotsman, Times and the mad Express) which many posters in this column are foolish enough to cite as if proximate to reality.

    In contrast May has no mandate from anyone, not even the Tory Party, and it is showing in her obvious lack of confidence. She carries the uncritical support of virtually all of the Europhobic press, faces a pathetic opposition, but her administration is still heading south at a rate of knots.

    And she has achieved all that by not being Labour. When you look at her actual achievements (which I note you don't) they are pretty thin. Scottish universities and schools are in a tailspin - more strikes this week - the health service continues to be erratic, the less said about policing the better and the budget deficit continues to appal. She just talks about independence and blames London for her failings.

    Substitute Brussels for London and that is how May will operate. Of course she's not done anything. She may never do so. But against the Jezziah and Druncker she will still do well electorally because a monkey on a stick would.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National Panel Tracker - LA Times - Sample 3,248 - 29 Oct

    Clinton 43.8 .. Trump 46.2

    http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Morning.

    Well, I've watched about a dozen hours of US news TV, read the statements, watched the Hillary/Trump respond et al.

    Things I've picked up so far:

    - by linking Hillary's emails [dull subject] with sexting [oooohhh], a lot more people are interested

    - Comey is 'finally' doing the right thing for the FBI's reputation, and using the Weiner angle as a pretext for it. Lots of reports of FBI agents pressuring/threatening to take early retirement to speak out. He's in a cleft stick - he's either accused of rubbishing their brand by letting her off, or being political with this move.

    - Strong rumours that Comey was also acting now before Wikileaks forced his hand.

    - The home PC that the Weiners shared apparently has thousands of emails - and she used a Yahoo account to send stuff to herself a la Hillary. Not like Yahoo hasn't been hacked ... and her husband wasn't a blackmail target...

    - Quite a few think this is all a bit too easy and could be a diversion

    - Bar some rather obvious handwaving, every outlet is wall to wall coverage

    - It's given a face to the sleaze/corruption with Weiner - it's no longer a too-much-attention-needed story.

    - The Foundation shenanigans are being referred to as possible RICO by several, not just political axe grinders.

    - It'll dampen support for Hillary, and may push some independents over to Trump - who wants a POTUS who'd could be impeached on RICO charges almost immediately?

    My favourite story was that the press pool and Hillary had no idea what the FBI did as they were in the skies without wifi - only when a reporter shouted at her from the tarmac did the whole thing explode.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,123
    edited October 2016
    scotslass said:

    ydoethur

    Ms Sturgeon has been vindicated twice at the polls in Scotland with votes of 50 per cent in the General Election and 47 per cent in the Scottish General Election. Her stance on the referendum was backed by 62 per cent of her electorate. Certainly she was dealt a good hand by her predecessor but she has played it well.

    Her achievements are against a daily barrage from uber unionist newspapers (Mail, Telegraph Herald, Scotsman, Times and the mad Express) which many posters in this column are foolish enough to cite as if proximate to reality.

    In contrast May has no mandate from anyone, not even the Tory Party, and it is showing in her obvious lack of confidence. She carries the uncritical support of virtually all of the Europhobic press, faces a pathetic opposition, but her administration is still heading south at a rate of knots.

    May actually has high ratings in Scotland, higher than Cameron's and not far short of Sturgeon's. May has the opposition of the Guardian, the Mirror, the Independent and centre left press but also the Cameroon press like the Times. Few Scottish papers give Sturgeon the hostility May sometimes faces, certainly not the Daily Record or the nationalist mouthpiece, the National. Sturgeon did well in the UK general election but that was just aftershocks from the referendum, Salmond left her an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament which she lost at this year's elections, Cameron left May a tiny majority which on present polling she is set to increase
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    PlatoSaid said:

    Morning.

    Well, I've watched about a dozen hours of US news TV, read the statements, watched the Hillary/Trump respond et al.

    Things I've picked up so far:

    - by linking Hillary's emails [dull subject] with sexting [oooohhh], a lot more people are interested

    - Comey is 'finally' doing the right thing for the FBI's reputation, and using the Weiner angle as a pretext for it. Lots of reports of FBI agents pressuring/threatening to take early retirement to speak out. He's in a cleft stick - he's either accused of rubbishing their brand by letting her off, or being political with this move.

    - Strong rumours that Comey was also acting now before Wikileaks forced his hand.

    - The home PC that the Weiners shared apparently has thousands of emails - and she used a Yahoo account to send stuff to herself a la Hillary. Not like Yahoo hasn't been hacked ... and her husband wasn't a blackmail target...

    - Quite a few think this is all a bit too easy and could be a diversion

    - Bar some rather obvious handwaving, every outlet is wall to wall coverage

    - It's given a face to the sleaze/corruption with Weiner - it's no longer a too-much-attention-needed story.

    - The Foundation shenanigans are being referred to as possible RICO by several, not just political axe grinders.

    - It'll dampen support for Hillary, and may push some independents over to Trump - who wants a POTUS who'd could be impeached on RICO charges almost immediately?

    My favourite story was that the press pool and Hillary had no idea what the FBI did as they were in the skies without wifi - only when a reporter shouted at her from the tarmac did the whole thing explode.

    Can't believe you used the word 'handwaving'! Didn't we go over the fact it is wrong to use such difficult to understand words here on PB? :)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    JackW said:

    National Panel Tracker - LA Times - Sample 3,248 - 29 Oct

    Clinton 43.8 .. Trump 46.2

    http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

    Just look at that Trump surge.... titters :D
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,788
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this partnership and its no balls, surely it is the final, clinching proof that Gary Ballance is not scoring runs because of the conditions but because he's not quite up to the mark in Tests?

    Surely better to try Ali or Ansari up the order and play Buttler or Batty instead in India?

    Buttler, please let it be Buttler. Make our mid order genuinely scary for opposing bowlers.
    It already is - and Buttler's first class record is decidedly poor - in marked contrast to his remarkable one day showing.
    The other point is that we play so much cricket now having our best players in a particular format not play in the one they are less good at is a sensible way to prevent burnout. Root, is clearly an exception, but I fear for his long term fitness.
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    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    On the US election this is Manna from Heaven for Trump. "I called her Crooked Hillary because she is. There's never been a presidential candidate under investigation by the FBI a week before an election - can you take the risk of putting a crook in the oval office?"

    Hillarys support is soft - not a lot of enthusiasm according to the polls. Detach a few of them, make sure his supporters are incandescent with rage and he can do this.

    It comes to something when Donald Trump's USP is that he is not under investigation by the FBI.

    But both he and Hillary are on America's Least Wanted list.
    I still live in hope that there is a way found to somehow postpone the whole thing, select new candidates and start again!

    Really America, a quarter of a billion eligible candidates yet we end up with a "choice" between the utterly corrupt and the sexist narcissist?
    Maybe if Congress passed a bill, putting the clocks back two years? Obama stays in place for two more years, the whole candidate selection process starts again from scratch. Then when the new President is elected, Congress puts the clock forward two years. We end up with a two-year President, but if they are any good, they can get re-elected.

    Sorted, America.
    What about Supreme Court nominations ?
    And when they select Trump and Clinton again ?
    You REALLY think that Clinton and Trump would get within a million miles of the nomination if we did this all again? Surely somebody decent would crawl out from the shadows - if only the VP choices.....

    The Supreme Court nominations wouldn't be an issue because they wouldn't be dead yet (according to their death certificates....).
    Yes I would imagine they could get the nominations again let alone get close. Clinton after all was this woeful 8 years ago and ran virtually unopposed then and got beat by an unknown, black, first term Senator that was a 50/1 shot. Hardly a surprise she 8 years later went virtually unopposed again and nearly got beat by a self declared socialist.

    While if Corbyn could get nominated twice why not Trump?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,123
    JackW said:

    National Panel Tracker - LA Times - Sample 3,248 - 29 Oct

    Clinton 43.8 .. Trump 46.2

    http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

    Trump for the popular vote Hillary the Electoral College, get on it at Betfair
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    But 'things are different now' and 'the government is taking action behind the scenes' etc etc etc.

    The list of government inaction was long, I had questions which went:

    When is Home Secretary Theresa May going to take action against the South Yorkshire police after the widespread media reports of its collaboration with child rapists ?

    When is Childrens Minister Edward Timpson going to place Rotherham’s childrens services into special measures ?

    What is Policing Minister Mike Penning doing to ensure that the police’s much hyped ‘day of reckoning’ with its ‘wave after wave of arrests’ actually takes place ?

    How much did the locally well connected former Communities Minister Sayeeda Warsi know about what was happening and what did she chose to do about it ?

    What is Prime Minister David Cameron doing with his 'Broken Britain' agenda regarding Rotherham ?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    There was a guest on CNN speculating about Wiener doing a plea bargain/immunity from prosecution because he could be facing a 10 to 15 year stretch for allegedly sexting the 15 year old. The CNN host, Don Lemon seemed pissed off that anyone should suggest such a thing.

    I'm really wondering if his wife is going under the bus despite being Hillary's best buddy. Weiner doesn't have much to lose now since they're estranged.

    Megyn Kelly was a wonder to watch last night - she's incandescent, I could almost feel her thinking 'well that's my $70k donation wasted'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyGXhr90BPI
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    BBC headline - "Clinton demands facts in new FBI probe"

    You couldn't make it up :D
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,611
    RobD said:

    BBC headline - "Clinton demands facts in new FBI probe"

    You couldn't make it up :D

    It just shows how warped Clinton's mind is.
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    If I was a Middle Eastern dictator worried about the threat of Western airstrikes I would hire the South Yorkshire Police to protect myself as they seem to have some sort of immunity from action being taken against them.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,611
    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.
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    Sandpit said:

    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.

    Bowling Finn and Ansari was perhaps not the most astute captaincy.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited October 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.

    Bowling Finn and Ansari was perhaps not the most astute captaincy.
    Ansari makes the breakthrough! 65/1

    Edit: ooh, and another one, Stoakes this time. 66/2 - another collapse coming?
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.

    Bowling Finn and Ansari was perhaps not the most astute captaincy.
    Ansari makes the breakthrough! 65/1
    I wondered if that would happen when I posted my comment.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,925
    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    It's extraordinary what sort of people rise to the top of US politics.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.

    Bowling Finn and Ansari was perhaps not the most astute captaincy.
    Ansari makes the breakthrough! 65/1
    I wondered if that would happen when I posted my comment.
    I wondered out loud at one point yesterday if the Banglas were going to score 500! What can we say to encourage a few more wickets?
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    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    Extra legs.

    Biden's reaction to mention of Weiner is priceless;

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcO5TacXVU
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    Extra legs.

    Biden's reaction to mention of Weiner is priceless;
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcO5TacXVU
    Well, he is quite unpleasant!
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.

    Bowling Finn and Ansari was perhaps not the most astute captaincy.
    Ansari makes the breakthrough! 65/1
    I wondered if that would happen when I posted my comment.
    I wondered out loud at one point yesterday if the Banglas were going to score 500! What can we say to encourage a few more wickets?
    Place some bets.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I can't find the tweet - but someone on Reddit has noticed Obama isn't attending some Hillary events now...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    PlatoSaid said:

    I can't find the tweet - but someone on Reddit has noticed Obama isn't attending some Hillary events now...

    Amazing just how nuts the crowds go at Trump's rallies.. he just has to say the word "FBI" :D
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Front page of NYT is WTF

    .@ScottAdamsSays The movie in our heads is breaking all-time box office records... and it's not even over yet https://t.co/cW44xjhK2p
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. F, indeed, but also worth reflecting who the current Leader of the Opposition is.
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    It's disappointing to discover that both Sporting and Spreadex's POTUS markets remain firmly closed this morning, despite the related fixed odds markets having become much calmer, following the initial hiatus last night associated with the announcement from the FBI that they were to carry out further investigations into Hillary Clinton's email/server arrangements.

    Gone it seems is the spread-betters' once time-honoured, "Windmill"-style adage of "We never close", an absolutely key, nay essential element of spread-betting, allowing punters to trade into and out of positions at all times.

    In those days, the industry was led by the very much larger IG Index, far and away the predominant spread-betting firm in the world and now a FTSE 100 constituent, who sadly decided around 15 years ago, following founder Stuart Wheeler's retirement, to withdraw entirely from sporting, political and other peripheral activities in order to concentrate wholly on the financial sector. The market would never have remained closed like this in Mr Wheeler's day .... a true wheeler-dealer one might say!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,925
    If Clinton were found guilty of a felony after being elected as President, could she pardon herself?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bangladesh have woken up, seem to think this is now a one-day game as they're running at five an over.

    Bowling Finn and Ansari was perhaps not the most astute captaincy.
    Ansari makes the breakthrough! 65/1
    I wondered if that would happen when I posted my comment.
    I wondered out loud at one point yesterday if the Banglas were going to score 500! What can we say to encourage a few more wickets?
    Place some bets.
    But I'm all-green on this match!

    Okay, a tenner at 2.16 on the home team.
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    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    It's extraordinary what sort of people rise to the top of US politics.
    There's probably some critical mass of venality which needs to be achieved.

    Once that happens (and it clearly has in the USA) then more scum are attracted and their behaviour is accepted by those already there whilst honest people are put off from becoming involved.

    You then get a feedback loop working.

    The ultimate result is a political establishment which is rotten to the core and then revolution.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Sean_F said:

    If Clinton were found guilty of a felony after being elected as President, could she pardon herself?

    Apparently it's not clear:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/12/can_president_clinton_pardon_himself.html
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    But 'things are different now' and 'the government is taking action behind the scenes' etc etc etc.
    The list of government inaction was long, I had questions which went:
    When is Home Secretary Theresa May going to take ....etc etc Govt failing etc etc
    This is where local politicians need to be held accountable first.

    1. Labour's Rotherham Council are at fault.
    2. Labour's latest Police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire Police needs to act.


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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

    Given she has done nothing so far how is it possible.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    malcolmg said:

    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

    Given she has done nothing so far how is it possible.
    Not sure why we're having that by election in Richmond Park then. ;)
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,359
    Mmm, I respect David's wish to see things done fairly in his patch, but I doubt if Mrs May would want to get involved one way or the other.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    I can't find the tweet - but someone on Reddit has noticed Obama isn't attending some Hillary events now...

    Plato, did you not receive the PB memo that Clinton is nailed on for POTUS?
    :smile:
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2016

    Mmm, I respect David's wish to see things done fairly in his patch, but I doubt if Mrs May would want to get involved one way or the other.

    She should if the half awake Mcloughlin does not. It would send a great message to activists.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    Extra legs.

    Biden's reaction to mention of Weiner is priceless;
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcO5TacXVU
    Well, he is quite unpleasant!
    Nah, nothing to do with Weiner - more that he realised instantly the media is going to love the story & he won't be able to play a staight bar to close it down
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    I see in the Inde there's an article "There’s one thing Jeremy Corbyn could do that would make him the next Prime Minister"

    PBers might have some suggestions...!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    HYUFD said:

    scotslass said:

    ydoethur

    Ms Sturgeon has been vindicated twice at the polls in Scotland with votes of 50 per cent in the General Election and 47 per cent in the Scottish General Election. Her stance on the referendum was backed by 62 per cent of her electorate. Certainly she was dealt a good hand by her predecessor but she has played it well.

    Her achievements are against a daily barrage from uber unionist newspapers (Mail, Telegraph Herald, Scotsman, Times and the mad Express) which many posters in this column are foolish enough to cite as if proximate to reality.

    In contrast May has no mandate from anyone, not even the Tory Party, and it is showing in her obvious lack of confidence. She carries the uncritical support of virtually all of the Europhobic press, faces a pathetic opposition, but her administration is still heading south at a rate of knots.

    May actually has high ratings in Scotland, higher than Cameron's and not far short of Sturgeon's. May has the opposition of the Guardian, the Mirror, the Independent and centre left press but also the Cameroon press like the Times. Few Scottish papers give Sturgeon the hostility May sometimes faces, certainly not the Daily Record or the nationalist mouthpiece, the National. Sturgeon did well in the UK general election but that was just aftershocks from the referendum, Salmond left her an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament which she lost at this year's elections, Cameron left May a tiny majority which on present polling she is set to increase
    LOL, next you will be saying SURGE
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    Extra legs.

    Biden's reaction to mention of Weiner is priceless;
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcO5TacXVU
    Well, he is quite unpleasant!
    Birds of a feather?

    http://www.awdnews.com/political/caught-on-tape-scandalous-video-shows-vice-president-joe-biden-s-sexual-proposition-to-a-13-year-old-girl
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,925

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    That theory about Weiner doing an immunity deal in return for incriminating evidence on Clinton has legs to it IMO.

    It's extraordinary what sort of people rise to the top of US politics.
    There's probably some critical mass of venality which needs to be achieved.

    Once that happens (and it clearly has in the USA) then more scum are attracted and their behaviour is accepted by those already there whilst honest people are put off from becoming involved.

    You then get a feedback loop working.

    The ultimate result is a political establishment which is rotten to the core and then revolution.
    House of Cards seems more a documentary than a drama.

    You've got Crooked Hilary leading the Democrats vs a deranged frat boy leading the Republicans. You've just seen the Attorney General of Pennsylvania being jailed for perjury. Anthony Weiner is like a character from a De Sade novel. The list of high profile figures going down for financial or sexual corruption or perjury just seems endless.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

    Given she has done nothing so far how is it possible.
    Not sure why we're having that by election in Richmond Park then. ;)
    True she did an 180 degree turn on Heathrow , knowing well it will be in the long grass for at least 10 years and can be dumped along the line.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    I do wonder how much this'll move the polls though. It does seem a 'Westminster bubble' sort of story.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    scotslass said:

    The truth is four months into a May premiership and there is NOTHING to commend her leadership

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    And for it to be a valid one, you need to be able to suggest some things that she could have done differently that you would have been happier with...

    Given she has done nothing so far how is it possible.
    Not sure why we're having that by election in Richmond Park then. ;)
    True she did an 180 degree turn on Heathrow , knowing well it will be in the long grass for at least 10 years and can be dumped along the line.
    You don't happen to have a turnip farm on the planned location of the third runway, do you? :D
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    I see in the Inde there's an article "There’s one thing Jeremy Corbyn could do that would make him the next Prime Minister"

    PBers might have some suggestions...!

    Free owls for everyone?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127
    edited October 2016

    But 'things are different now' and 'the government is taking action behind the scenes' etc etc etc.
    The list of government inaction was long, I had questions which went:
    When is Home Secretary Theresa May going to take ....etc etc Govt failing etc etc
    This is where local politicians need to be held accountable first.

    1. Labour's Rotherham Council are at fault.
    2. Labour's latest Police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire Police needs to act.


    And when they don't ?

    And when the IPCC, Ofsted and all 'three monkeys' alphabet soup regulators don't ?

    Rotherham was exposed not by the authorities - who all claimed nothing was wrong - but by outsiders.

    The only government minister who took any action was Eric Pickles. He commissioned a report into Rotherham Council (notice that no equivalent has been made into the South Yorkshire Police) which quickly exposed that it was in 'complete denial' and 'not fit for purpose':

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750

    Yet year after year Ofsted reported no problems.

    When Keith Vaz is one of the few people who have acted with integrity on an issue you know that there is something fundamentally wrong.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,047
    edited October 2016
    weejonnie said:

    I see in the Inde there's an article "There’s one thing Jeremy Corbyn could do that would make him the next Prime Minister"

    PBers might have some suggestions...!

    Free owls for everyone?
    Cheaper Marmite?

    As a Bovril eater, that wouldn’t worry me of course!
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    If I was a Middle Eastern dictator worried about the threat of Western airstrikes I would hire the South Yorkshire Police to protect myself as they seem to have some sort of immunity from action being taken against them.

    It seems that it helps if you have Labour politicians in local govt.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    PlatoSaid said:

    I can't find the tweet - but someone on Reddit has noticed Obama isn't attending some Hillary events now...

    He is in Ohio, NC and Florida on consecutive days campaigning:

    https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/

    He seems to have the weekend off to carve his pumpkin though.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2016

    But 'things are different now' and 'the government is taking action behind the scenes' etc etc etc.
    The list of government inaction was long, I had questions which went:
    When is Home Secretary Theresa May going to take ....etc etc Govt failing etc etc
    This is where local politicians need to be held accountable first.

    1. Labour's Rotherham Council are at fault.
    2. Labour's latest Police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire Police needs to act.


    And when they don't ? And when the IPCC, Ofsted and all 'three monkeys' alphabet soup regulators don't ? Rotherham was exposed not by the authorities - who all claimed nothing was wrong - but by outsiders. The only government minister who took any action was Eric Pickles. He commissioned a report into Rotherham Council (notice that no equivalent has been made into the South Yorkshire Police) which quickly exposed that it was in 'complete denial' and 'not fit for purpose': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750
    Yet year after year Ofsted reported no problems. When Keith Vaz is one of the few people who have acted with integrity on an issue you know that there is something fundamentally wrong.
    Why do the voters keep electing useless Labour people on the councils and for the Police commissioner? It is also the voters that are tolerating the abuses by re-electing the same party.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,295
    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    PlatoSaid said:

    I can't find the tweet - but someone on Reddit has noticed Obama isn't attending some Hillary events now...

    He is in Ohio, NC and Florida on consecutive days campaigning:

    https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/

    He seems to have the weekend off to carve his pumpkin though.
    I hope that isn't a new euphemism. ;)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I've laid off my North Carolina bet. I may use the money to plough more into Clinton.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
    It's PB.. we always need polling. :p
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
    There was a boost in the LA Times - but that is weekly so any changes are damped down (and probably just shows that the AA on their panel changed sides again).
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    Are there any PBers who know Maidenhead ?

    I'd always assumed it was an upmarket town but it looked pretty drab on the news reports:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37766708

    Is it one of those south-east towns where the affluent live in surrounding villages while the town itself is much less so ?

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
    There was a boost in the LA Times - but that is weekly so any changes are damped down (and probably just shows that the AA on their panel changed sides again).
    Na, there was no change in that subsample visible on the chart (they give the breakdown per subsample if you scroll down)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,925

    But 'things are different now' and 'the government is taking action behind the scenes' etc etc etc.
    The list of government inaction was long, I had questions which went:
    When is Home Secretary Theresa May going to take ....etc etc Govt failing etc etc
    This is where local politicians need to be held accountable first.

    1. Labour's Rotherham Council are at fault.
    2. Labour's latest Police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire Police needs to act.


    And when they don't ? And when the IPCC, Ofsted and all 'three monkeys' alphabet soup regulators don't ? Rotherham was exposed not by the authorities - who all claimed nothing was wrong - but by outsiders. The only government minister who took any action was Eric Pickles. He commissioned a report into Rotherham Council (notice that no equivalent has been made into the South Yorkshire Police) which quickly exposed that it was in 'complete denial' and 'not fit for purpose': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750
    Yet year after year Ofsted reported no problems. When Keith Vaz is one of the few people who have acted with integrity on an issue you know that there is something fundamentally wrong.
    Why do the voters keep electing useless Labour people on the councils and for the Police commissioner? It is also the voters that are tolerating the abuses by re-electing the same party.
    The conclusion is that many voters don't care, unfortunately.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,295
    edited October 2016
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
    It's PB.. we always need polling. :p
    I need some urgent reassurance on Clinton as my landslide predictions are looking very sickly after the FBI got involved again.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
    There was a boost in the LA Times - but that is weekly so any changes are damped down (and probably just shows that the AA on their panel changed sides again).
    Na, there was no change in that subsample visible on the chart (they give the breakdown per subsample if you scroll down)
    Yeah it seems to be caused by a big shift amongst male voters.
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    But 'things are different now' and 'the government is taking action behind the scenes' etc etc etc.
    The list of government inaction was long, I had questions which went:
    When is Home Secretary Theresa May going to take ....etc etc Govt failing etc etc
    This is where local politicians need to be held accountable first.

    1. Labour's Rotherham Council are at fault.
    2. Labour's latest Police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire Police needs to act.


    And when they don't ? And when the IPCC, Ofsted and all 'three monkeys' alphabet soup regulators don't ? Rotherham was exposed not by the authorities - who all claimed nothing was wrong - but by outsiders. The only government minister who took any action was Eric Pickles. He commissioned a report into Rotherham Council (notice that no equivalent has been made into the South Yorkshire Police) which quickly exposed that it was in 'complete denial' and 'not fit for purpose': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750
    Yet year after year Ofsted reported no problems. When Keith Vaz is one of the few people who have acted with integrity on an issue you know that there is something fundamentally wrong.
    Why do the voters keep electing useless Labour people on the councils and for the Police commissioner? It is also the voters that are tolerating the abuses by re-electing the same party.
    Some people vote for a party because they always have done and their fathers and grandfathers before them.

    I also suspect that there are many vested interests against having change - in low turnout elections these are a large proportion of the vote.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,295
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    weejonnie said:

    Nate Silver's view

    "But in a political sense, there’s certainly some downside for Clinton in the appearance of headlines containing the words “FBI,” “investigation” and “email” just 11 days before the election."

    "Certainly some downside"

    lol

    This is from the man who couldn't bring himself to say she collapsed.
    We need polling urgently!!
    There was a boost in the LA Times - but that is weekly so any changes are damped down (and probably just shows that the AA on their panel changed sides again).
    I don't pay any attention to LA Times poll. Either it is rubbish, which some PBers have pointed out for technical reasons, or they are right and everyone else is wrong and I will lose some money.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited October 2016
    Probably too soon but the Republican voting by mail now has a lead of 59000 (was 52000) in Florida and the Democrat lead in voting early is 38,000. (The Republican lead is 3.2% so it has inched up, but not, as far as I remember as good as last time.)
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