Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I think that is just staying true to the 1970's series and earlier books.
Not in a United Kingdom - wee Mrs McTurnip is nothing if not transparent....
WE will see how tough Cruella is when EU knock seven shades of you know what out of her and she gets a second one at home.
Likely to be complete Tory surrender as usual, back waving piece of paper, paying in more money , freedom of movement intact and UK allowed to decide road signs.
Steve Bousquet of "The Tampa Bay Times" reports Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott failure to stop the extension of voter registration after Hurricane Matthew resulted in 108,000 new names to the roll.
@faisalislam 2m2 minutes ago Edward Leigh just asked if it was the PM's end strategy that UK should have a free trade area with the EU - she said yes...
It's gonna be EFTA, but maybe with a different name.
Free European Trade Area. Feta?
Will it come down to a choice between hard and soft cheese?
How about BRIE - British Regional Import/Export area.
Britain could continue full participation in EDAM - European Deals And Machinations.
It'd be funny if, after a tortuous and forensic inquiry, the government were to choose something other than H3. It'd be hilarious if they chose Boris Island. But the inquiry involved experts, and we all know how we're supposed to feel about experts now ...
Howard Davies did advocate the Euro....... Now he advocates Heathrow. Is Davies an expert on either matter?
Have you seen his article in today's Telegraph. If that article is indicative of the fellow's depth of thought I seriously question his fitness to be called an expert on anything and God only knows how he achieved a senior position in any organisation.
I note your advice and re-read. Mr Davies stated. "Indeed some have argued that the government should allow both Heathrow and Gatwick to expand. That would be a mistake. Allowing two proposals to continue could mean neither is built, as it would be impossible to argue that both runways could be fully used in the next twenty years while meeting our legislated climate change commitments. So the decision could be challenged in the courts."
Clearly Mr Davies does not understand the concept of competition and creating spare capacity and that by allowing two proposals to continue if one falters for a planning or financial problem etc the other can power ahead. Has Gatwick argued that it should be just one choice?
A very statist proposal from Mr Davies with fits in with his past endeavours.
Every article I read on Trump is so harshly dismissive of him and his movement, its impossible to see how the chasms created by the this election can ever be breached.
There is no attempt whatsoever to understand this phenomenon, what lies behind it and what it might take to bring the millions that will vote for him back onside.
THose that do back Trump can expect no quarter from Hillary, if she wins.
A) I thought you weren't going to comment?
We should be dismissive of racist crazy people like trump who boast about sexual assault
C) 'No Quarter'? Don't be silly. She isn't a vindictive person, unlike 'Texting at 3AM' Trump
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
I was expecting a bit if a whitewash, and it was. The book was written in a different time, where what is depicted - and it is not 100% clear - would not have been seen as rape by many people. But it is vital point in the books: it increases animosity between the various lead characters. I'm not sure this version will have quite the same effect.
Interestingly, the 1970s series is much more faithful to the book.
I have little time for Winston Graham's son's argument: his father also wrote a very dubious scene in Marnie that might not withstand modern views. (An excellent book, BTW, made by Hitchcock into a terrible film).
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
I was expecting a bit if a whitewash, and it was. The book was written in a different time, where what is depicted - and it is not 100% clear - would not have been seen as rape by many people. But it is vital point in the books: it increases animosity between the various lead characters. I'm not sure this version will have quite the same effect.
Interestingly, the 1970s series is much more faithful to the book.
I have little time for Winston Graham's son's argument: his father also wrote a very dubious scene in Marnie that might not withstand modern views. (An excellent book, BTW, made by Hitchcock into a terrible film).
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
I came to the conclusion that the government's position was either Stilton (blue-veined and crumbly to the touch) or Emmental (hard, Swiss in origin and full of holes).
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
It's much less explicitly rape than what happens in the book or, in fact, the original series (well worth watching, and as least as good as the current series. Also worth watching for the much-missed Angharad Rees).
Marnie features full-on rape, even if only in a modern context and under somewhat unusual circumstances. So Winston Graham knew what he was doing.
I've read the books many times, and from what I remember the Poldark-Elizabeth scene is very well written in a way that leaves what happens in some doubt, at least by the mores of the time. It's also vital for future plotlines.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
That's the post-election rationalisation sorted. It was '50 states of Trump' that swung it.
I came to the conclusion that the government's position was either Stilton (blue-veined and crumbly to the touch) or Emmental (hard, Swiss in origin and full of holes).
Very good. Surprised you did not come up with raclette - hard but melts into a sticky mess under heat.
Mr. Jonathan, did Shakespeare rewrite Caesar's Gallic Wars to suit Elizabethan sensibilities?
Shakespeare wrote his own stuff [or with Marlowe, as you like it]. He didn't bugger up Thucydides because 16th century Londoners didn't like the way the Peloponnesian War was going.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Do you mean by that fiction written some time ago, or recently-written fiction about historical periods?
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
(Snip)
No. She's been married before, to Poldark's now-deceased cousin, and has a son. She is about to marry his great enemy Warleggan. My view is that the rape is Poldark's way of getting vengeance on Warleggan before the wedding; it is a power over her and Warleggan. In fact, it's more of a power than he realises (will not say more for spoilers).
Although it's made more complex in the books and series by the fact they were once betrothed to each other before her first marriage, and still hold a fondness for each other.
Finally we might actually get a decision on Heathrow, but unfortunately this is just the start of the process of planning, enquiries and appeals before a spade goes near the ground. We need to just get on with it, starting yesterday.
Mr. Jonathan, did Shakespeare rewrite Caesar's Gallic Wars to suit Elizabethan sensibilities?
Shakespeare wrote his own stuff [or with Marlowe, as you like it]. He didn't bugger up Thucydides because 16th century Londoners didn't like the way the Peloponnesian War was going.
Of course Shakespeare (re)wrote history to suit his audience's tastes.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Have to say my gf was quite titillated watching the scene.
@MTimT In the end I abandoned the idea quite early through lack of time and because it was ultimately too frivolous. One compensation of having very limited time is that I have to make sure that my thread headers actually say the thing I most think worth saying at the time, because otherwise good ideas will go beyond their post-by date.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Do you mean by that fiction written some time ago, or recently-written fiction about historical periods?
Recently-written fiction about historical periods. Older fiction would either ignore the subject, or refer to it obliquely unless dealing with much older periods (at least in English-speaking countries, where censorship was stringent. Hence, my bowdlerised version of the Three Musketeers) .
a) Rule no.1 of negotiation is not to show your hand. b) If rule no.1 is violated and May lists her demands, every Eurocrat from here to Bucharest will say "absolutely no chance they're going to get that" while simultaneously refusing to engage with UK until A50 invoked c) Currency and markets tank some more; Sturgeon sticks her crowbar in the machine every 15 minutes; Corbyn looks slightly less of a joke d) Months pass, in which political and economic chaos in UK worsens e) A50 invoked, negotiations start on back foot f) Worse result for UK ensues; whole world laughs at the UK g) Civil war in which Scotland turned into radioactive wasteland. Tourism improves.
@DanHodges: Tory poll average rises to 12 points - highest this parliament - as Theresa May's post-conference implosion continues...
LOL! Quite entertaining reading all the posts (and Scott's frantic shares of Faisal's frantic tweets) telling us how appalling everything is for TM and the government...
While their poll rise show's no sign of stopping...
Every article I read on Trump is so harshly dismissive of him and his movement, its impossible to see how the chasms created by the this election can ever be breached.
There is no attempt whatsoever to understand this phenomenon, what lies behind it and what it might take to bring the millions that will vote for him back onside.
THose that do back Trump can expect no quarter from Hillary, if she wins.
A) I thought you weren't going to comment?
We should be dismissive of racist crazy people like trump who boast about sexual assault
C) 'No Quarter'? Don't be silly. She isn't a vindictive person, unlike 'Texting at 3AM' Trump
I came to the conclusion that the government's position was either Stilton (blue-veined and crumbly to the touch) or Emmental (hard, Swiss in origin and full of holes).
Very good. Surprised you did not come up with raclette - hard but melts into a sticky mess under heat.
White Stilton with Cranberries:
From the East of England, with some novelty value, but disappointing and full of purple fruits.
LOL! Quite entertaining reading all the posts (and Scott's frantic shares of Faisal's frantic tweets) telling us how appalling everything is for TM and the government...
While their poll rise show's no sign of stopping...
As noted this morning, the crowds are whooping and cheering as the Emperor passes...
It'd be funny if, after a tortuous and forensic inquiry, the government were to choose something other than H3. It'd be hilarious if they chose Boris Island. But the inquiry involved experts, and we all know how we're supposed to feel about experts now ...
Howard Davies did advocate the Euro....... Now he advocates Heathrow. Is Davies an expert on either matter?
Have you seen his article in today's Telegraph. If that article is indicative of the fellow's depth of thought I seriously question his fitness to be called an expert on anything and God only knows how he achieved a senior position in any organisation.
I note your advice and re-read. Mr Davies stated. "Indeed some have argued that the government should allow both Heathrow and Gatwick to expand. That would be a mistake. Allowing two proposals to continue could mean neither is built, as it would be impossible to argue that both runways could be fully used in the next twenty years while meeting our legislated climate change commitments. So the decision could be challenged in the courts."
Clearly Mr Davies does not understand the concept of competition and creating spare capacity and that by allowing two proposals to continue if one falters for a planning or financial problem etc the other can power ahead. Has Gatwick argued that it should be just one choice?
A very statist proposal from Mr Davies with fits in with his past endeavours.
Your point would have merit if (1) it was a taxpayer funded project where such a strategic approach could be taken whatever the local economics, and (2) it was not illegal under current environmental legislation.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Books like Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty Trilogy (in which the heroine is forced into sexual slavery and abused by a succession of men and women) Diane Gabaldon's Highlander series (in which the hero rapes the heroine, and is raped in turn by an evil English officer) and Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel novels (where the heroine is a kind of high priestess of BDSM) have sold tens of millions of copies.
"The two images below are based on import and export data for the UK’s top 25 trading partners for the first five months of 2016. The bigger the country appears on the map, the more of the UK’s exports (imports) they account for. Countries outside the top 25 are shaded grey."
Exports
Imports
Obviously we'd like to boost opportunities in less habitual areas, but it's a good starter to highlight where we'll need our initial agreements
On free trade: any deal requires EU agreement (probably QMV). The EU will want us to have a worse deal, so there may well be strings attached. Particularly depends on whether nation-states have the whip hand, or the bureaucracy of Brussels. The former would be more helpful to us.
To be honest, money is likely to be the balancing factor.
LOL! Quite entertaining reading all the posts (and Scott's frantic shares of Faisal's frantic tweets) telling us how appalling everything is for TM and the government...
While their poll rise show's no sign of stopping...
As noted this morning, the crowds are whooping and cheering as the Emperor passes...
No, most people are just getting on with their lives and waiting for TM and the government to invoke A50 in March.
@DanHodges: Tory poll average rises to 12 points - highest this parliament - as Theresa May's post-conference implosion continues...
LOL! Quite entertaining reading all the posts (and Scott's frantic shares of Faisal's frantic tweets) telling us how appalling everything is for TM and the government...
While their poll rise show's no sign of stopping...
The country has tuned out. They had enough of 'politics' in the past year - a General Election and a referendum - in both cases they gave clear answers and its up to the politicians to get on with the job......that Mrs May seems a sensible sort....lets see how she does, as for that old socialist running labour......
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
The three musketeers is a very strange book in many ways.
a) Rule no.1 of negotiation is not to show your hand. b) If rule no.1 is violated and May lists her demands, every Eurocrat from here to Bucharest will say "absolutely no chance they're going to get that" while simultaneously refusing to engage with UK until A50 invoked c) Currency and markets tank some more; Sturgeon sticks her crowbar in the machine every 15 minutes; Corbyn looks slightly less of a joke d) Months pass, in which political and economic chaos in UK worsens e) A50 invoked, negotiations start on back foot f) Worse result for UK ensues; whole world laughs at the UK g) Civil war in which Scotland turned into radioactive wasteland. Tourism improves.
Brilliant. Just f*cking brilliant.
Re a and b and rule 1 -- How does negotiation work if neither party tells the other what it wants?
Might I recommend a good book on the subject -- The Art of the Deal, by Donald J Trump.
Steve Bousquet of "The Tampa Bay Times" reports Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott failure to stop the extension of voter registration after Hurricane Matthew resulted in 108,000 new names to the roll.
a) Rule no.1 of negotiation is not to show your hand. b) If rule no.1 is violated and May lists her demands, every Eurocrat from here to Bucharest will say "absolutely no chance they're going to get that" while simultaneously refusing to engage with UK until A50 invoked c) Currency and markets tank some more; Sturgeon sticks her crowbar in the machine every 15 minutes; Corbyn looks slightly less of a joke d) Months pass, in which political and economic chaos in UK worsens e) A50 invoked, negotiations start on back foot f) Worse result for UK ensues; whole world laughs at the UK g) Civil war in which Scotland turned into radioactive wasteland. Tourism improves.
Brilliant. Just f*cking brilliant.
Re a and b and rule 1 -- How does negotiation work if neither party tells the other what it wants?
Might I recommend a good book on the subject -- The Art of the Deal, by Donald J Trump.
I assume you're being obtuse, because "showing your hand" is a long way from laying your cards down one at a time, at the appropriate time.
If not, I'd very much like to invite you to a poker game.
a) Rule no.1 of negotiation is not to show your hand. b) If rule no.1 is violated and May lists her demands, every Eurocrat from here to Bucharest will say "absolutely no chance they're going to get that" while simultaneously refusing to engage with UK until A50 invoked c) Currency and markets tank some more; Sturgeon sticks her crowbar in the machine every 15 minutes; Corbyn looks slightly less of a joke d) Months pass, in which political and economic chaos in UK worsens e) A50 invoked, negotiations start on back foot f) Worse result for UK ensues; whole world laughs at the UK g) Civil war in which Scotland turned into radioactive wasteland. Tourism improves.
Brilliant. Just f*cking brilliant.
Re a and b and rule 1 -- How does negotiation work if neither party tells the other what it wants?
Might I recommend a good book on the subject -- The Art of the Deal, by Donald J Trump.
I assume your being obtuse, because "showing your hand" is a long way from laying your cards down one at a time, at the appropriate time.
If not, I'd very much like to invite you to a poker game.
You list your demands. What you do not do is list your fallback position.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
The three musketeers is a very strange book in many ways.
I always think of Dogtanian from the CBBC version I watched as a kid. Quite enjoyed that series.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Not read it, but isn't the central point about 50 Shades of Grey that it's entirely consensual?
Mr. Jonathan, did Shakespeare rewrite Caesar's Gallic Wars to suit Elizabethan sensibilities?
Shakespeare wrote his own stuff [or with Marlowe, as you like it]. He didn't bugger up Thucydides because 16th century Londoners didn't like the way the Peloponnesian War was going.
Of course Shakespeare (re)wrote history to suit his audience's tastes.
Of course he did put the spin on history that his clients wanted. Shakespeare was the biggest Tudor propagandist going (at least that we know about). He was also, along with the Victorian sentimentalists, the biggest provider of myths that have become accepted in British society.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
The three musketeers is a very strange book in many ways.
I always think of Dogtanian from the CBBC version I watched as a kid. Quite enjoyed that series.
They skip the bit in the book where the Musketeers act as gigolos from the cartoon.
a) Rule no.1 of negotiation is not to show your hand. b) If rule no.1 is violated and May lists her demands, every Eurocrat from here to Bucharest will say "absolutely no chance they're going to get that" while simultaneously refusing to engage with UK until A50 invoked c) Currency and markets tank some more; Sturgeon sticks her crowbar in the machine every 15 minutes; Corbyn looks slightly less of a joke d) Months pass, in which political and economic chaos in UK worsens e) A50 invoked, negotiations start on back foot f) Worse result for UK ensues; whole world laughs at the UK g) Civil war in which Scotland turned into radioactive wasteland. Tourism improves.
Brilliant. Just f*cking brilliant.
Re a and b and rule 1 -- How does negotiation work if neither party tells the other what it wants?
Might I recommend a good book on the subject -- The Art of the Deal, by Donald J Trump.
I assume your being obtuse, because "showing your hand" is a long way from laying your cards down one at a time, at the appropriate time.
If not, I'd very much like to invite you to a poker game.
You list your demands. What you do not do is list your fallback position.
In a rational negotiation, perhaps, but only at an appropriate time of your choosing.
A list of demands submitted into an intensely political and irrational negotiation, months ahead of time, is borderline suicidal. Unfortunately for all concerned "intensely political and irrational" will characterise the brexit talks from start to finish.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Books like Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty Trilogy (in which the heroine is forced into sexual slavery and abused by a succession of men and women) Diane Gabaldon's Highlander series (in which the hero rapes the heroine, and is raped in turn by an evil English officer) and Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel novels (where the heroine is a kind of high priestess of BDSM) have sold tens of millions of copies.
I think "consensual rape" - if we can call it that (and many do) - is popular with quite a few women for two reasons.
1. It means they don't need to feel shame or regard themselves as sluts for having wanted sex, the choice was taken from them. Though of course they did want sex, secretly.
2. It means the women is SO irresistible a handsome alpha male (and it's always an alpha male, never a wimp) was literally unable to control himself in her presence. A massive turn-on.
The reality and the fantasy are very different though, just as the nymphomanic happy hooker is from the trafficked and abused teenager. We read novels of murders, robbers and torture too. The problem come when those who cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality start behaving like fictional characters.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Books like Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty Trilogy (in which the heroine is forced into sexual slavery and abused by a succession of men and women) Diane Gabaldon's Highlander series (in which the hero rapes the heroine, and is raped in turn by an evil English officer) and Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel novels (where the heroine is a kind of high priestess of BDSM) have sold tens of millions of copies.
I think "consensual rape" - if we can call it that (and many do) - is popular with quite a few women for two reasons.
1. It means they don't need to feel shame or regard themselves as sluts for having wanted sex, the choice was taken from them. Though of course they did want sex, secretly.
2. It means the women is SO irresistible a handsome alpha male (and it's always an alpha male, never a wimp) was literally unable to control himself in her presence. A massive turn-on.
And, so many such books are written by women, for a mainly female readership.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Not read it, but isn't the central point about 50 Shades of Grey that it's entirely consensual?
No. Famously the line is blurred several times. And blurring is being generous to Mr Gray.
Fair enough. As any normal man would do, I refused my wife permission to buy the book when she requested it.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
Back in my day they even censored Shakespeare in books for schools. The entire scene with the porter did not appear in the version of the Scottish Play that my school issued.
Every article I read on Trump is so harshly dismissive of him and his movement, its impossible to see how the chasms created by the this election can ever be breached.
There is no attempt whatsoever to understand this phenomenon, what lies behind it and what it might take to bring the millions that will vote for him back onside.
THose that do back Trump can expect no quarter from Hillary, if she wins.
A) I thought you weren't going to comment?
We should be dismissive of racist crazy people like trump who boast about sexual assault
C) 'No Quarter'? Don't be silly. She isn't a vindictive person, unlike 'Texting at 3AM' Trump
But not of the millions who support him.
Well, can we tell david duke to fuck off?
By all means tell anyone to fuck off, but basing your campaign on how ghastly some people are seems like a dangerous move to me.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
The three musketeers is a very strange book in many ways.
What always puzzled me is why people called musketeers only ever seemed to fight with swords.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.
Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Not read it, but isn't the central point about 50 Shades of Grey that it's entirely consensual?
No. Famously the line is blurred several times. And blurring is being generous to Mr Gray.
Fair enough. As any normal man would do, I refused my wife permission to buy the book when she requested it.
I would hope you gave her a sound, over-the-knee spanking for even thinking of buying it.
''Until the headbangers start whining. Expect the tone at PMQs to be HARDER...''
Its a softish hard Brexit, or a hard Brexit with distinctly soft characteristics.
''Amber, take a look at the Daily Mail today and let me know which way the wind is blowing''
If you keep cooking a hard boiled egg it eventually explodes and deposits a foul mess everywhere.
Really? The worst I've ever experienced, even when the saucepan has boiled completely dry, is a small black mark on the white of the egg.
You clearly have not had the joy of trashing a friends microwave by putting in six eggs during a house party.
Happy days...
[As CDs are practically dead and gone these days, you can also entertain the children by fixing one vertically on some blutac, then microwaving it. The coruscation of sparks across the surface is pretty cool. Ventilated area recommended. Also google microwaving grapes and plasma. Umm, I think I need to get out a bit more.]
Didn't the telegraph over the weekend have an article that basically said only London has the banking infrastructure banks want and need.
I'm sure some people will move to Frankfurt and Paris. those people who are not as required as they believe they are will be given the opportunity to further their career in a European backwater while being led to believe its a great promotion.
And London as a whole will continue as before with little bits of work down elsewhere.
It's disturbing to read some of the stuff Scott Adams is coming out with now: "Democrats generally use guns to commit crimes. Republican use guns for sport and for self-defense."
Trump needs NC. I don't think he has led in any polls there since the Convention...
The early voting numbers in the poll are also encouraging for Clinton.
How can they be allowed to poll those already voted?
why not? exit polls are allowed after all.
Exit polls cannot be released until voting has ended in a given state. The early voters data is based on whether the voters concerned are registered Democrats or Republicans.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
It's disturbing to read some of the stuff Scott Adams is coming out with now: "Democrats generally use guns to commit crimes. Republican use guns for sport and for self-defense."
Is it meant to be funny, or what?
He lost the plot a while ago. The stuff he spouted about Proposition 8(?) was eyebrow-raising to say the least.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.
It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.
I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....
I was very surprised when I re-read The Three Musketeers a couple of years ago, to discover that D'Artganan is a rapist. That section was completely censored from the version that I read in my school library.
Back in my day they even censored Shakespeare in books for schools. The entire scene with the porter did not appear in the version of the Scottish Play that my school issued.
Mary Whitehouse was campaigning for the Miller's Tale to be removed from school curricula when I was a lad.
It's disturbing to read some of the stuff Scott Adams is coming out with now: "Democrats generally use guns to commit crimes. Republican use guns for sport and for self-defense."
Is it meant to be funny, or what?
It's meant to cause a reaction that Adams can then belittle you for having as he didn't really say the thing you are accusing him of saying.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
"looking at" <> any chance of moving at all
From the conversation, I'd guess it was way more than evens that there'd be a move of some sort (80%+ chance as a guess). The proportion of staff was entirely dependent on what happened to passporting.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
I have to say any banker looking to set up in a separatist region needs to get their head examined.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.
They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
You list your demands. What you do not do is list your fallback position.
In a rational negotiation, perhaps, but only at an appropriate time of your choosing.
A list of demands submitted into an intensely political and irrational negotiation, months ahead of time, is borderline suicidal. Unfortunately for all concerned "intensely political and irrational" will characterise the brexit talks from start to finish.
It doesn't work like a poker game because politics is about buying off interests. Theresa May talks tough on Brexit, not to gain negotiating power, but to pander to her party interest groups. May's supposed Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) is Hard Brexit and isn't a Best Alternative at all. The EU's BATNA is a Hard Brexit that doesn't damage their own special interests too much. I don't think the EU side is inherently more sensible than our lot, but they are sitting pretty on this negotiation, while May deals with the contradictions of her negotiating positions.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
"looking at" <> any chance of moving at all
From the conversation, I'd guess it was way more than evens that there'd be a move of some sort (80%+ chance as a guess). The proportion of staff was entirely dependent on what happened to passporting.
The passporting regime is more like passporting regimes. Some haven't come in yet.
Miss JGP, reloading times in that era were horrendous, so you'd probably get off just the one shot then use your sword.
(snipped)
Thank you, that is fascinating. Muskets were quite large, weren't they? Did they just throw away the musket after the shot if no time to reload? It would be hard to engage in a sword fight with a musket strapped to your back, wouldn't it?
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.
They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
Well it depends on the solution, some people think banks could capitalise small subsidiaries /post boxes in Dublin and route trades via a server room. Others believe around 10% of the City could decamp.
Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."
Hmm.
The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
I have to say any banker looking to set up in a separatist region needs to get their head examined.
Yes, every potential EU rival to London has major problems (on top of lacking the ecosystem and financial infrastructure)
Dublin: provincial, rainy Paris: speak French, anti-business laws, security issues Frankfurt: boring, speak German Luxembourg: incredibly boring Amsterdam: small town, too many canals, smells of herring
As others have written it's possible that if Hard Brexit is a disaster for the City, a lot of the business will go to NYC or Hong Kong/Singapore, and/or simply disappear altogether
I think that you do need to allow for the fact that the top echelons are often not British. French bankers may well like Paris or Geneva, German ones may like Frankfurt etc. It is the British commuters who are less linguistically skilled and more easily replaced.
In reality the main thing preventing a mass exodus from London is inertia, and the need for office space and infrastructure in their new site. It is far more likely that there will be a rundown by natural wastage and gradual job transfers rather than a mass movement.
My cousin who works in artificial intelligence for automated trading moved to the Continent this summer and seems quite happy, but I think the move was planned pre-Brexit.
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Quite possibly historical accuracy too.
Likely to be complete Tory surrender as usual, back waving piece of paper, paying in more money , freedom of movement intact and UK allowed to decide road signs.
Obama won Florida in 12 by just under 75,000.
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/surge-of-post-hurricane-matthew-voters-breaks-100000-mark/2299780
Its a softish hard Brexit, or a hard Brexit with distinctly soft characteristics.
''Amber, take a look at the Daily Mail today and let me know which way the wind is blowing''
Clearly Mr Davies does not understand the concept of competition and creating spare capacity and that by allowing two proposals to continue if one falters for a planning or financial problem etc the other can power ahead. Has Gatwick argued that it should be just one choice?
A very statist proposal from Mr Davies with fits in with his past endeavours.
Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
I came to the conclusion that the government's position was either Stilton (blue-veined and crumbly to the touch) or Emmental (hard, Swiss in origin and full of holes).
Clinton 49 .. Trump 46
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_102416.pdf
Marnie features full-on rape, even if only in a modern context and under somewhat unusual circumstances. So Winston Graham knew what he was doing.
I've read the books many times, and from what I remember the Poldark-Elizabeth scene is very well written in a way that leaves what happens in some doubt, at least by the mores of the time. It's also vital for future plotlines.
Shakespeare wrote his own stuff [or with Marlowe, as you like it]. He didn't bugger up Thucydides because 16th century Londoners didn't like the way the Peloponnesian War was going.
Although it's made more complex in the books and series by the fact they were once betrothed to each other before her first marriage, and still hold a fondness for each other.
a) Rule no.1 of negotiation is not to show your hand.
b) If rule no.1 is violated and May lists her demands, every Eurocrat from here to Bucharest will say "absolutely no chance they're going to get that" while simultaneously refusing to engage with UK until A50 invoked
c) Currency and markets tank some more; Sturgeon sticks her crowbar in the machine every 15 minutes; Corbyn looks slightly less of a joke
d) Months pass, in which political and economic chaos in UK worsens
e) A50 invoked, negotiations start on back foot
f) Worse result for UK ensues; whole world laughs at the UK
g) Civil war in which Scotland turned into radioactive wasteland. Tourism improves.
Brilliant. Just f*cking brilliant.
While their poll rise show's no sign of stopping...
From the East of England, with some novelty value, but disappointing and full of purple fruits.
Via: https://bankunderground.co.uk/2016/10/18/bitesize-mapping-the-uks-trade/
"The two images below are based on import and export data for the UK’s top 25 trading partners for the first five months of 2016. The bigger the country appears on the map, the more of the UK’s exports (imports) they account for. Countries outside the top 25 are shaded grey."
Exports
Imports
Obviously we'd like to boost opportunities in less habitual areas, but it's a good starter to highlight where we'll need our initial agreements
Cheer up. Two months today it's Christmas Eve!
Might I recommend a good book on the subject -- The Art of the Deal, by Donald J Trump.
If not, I'd very much like to invite you to a poker game.
A list of demands submitted into an intensely political and irrational negotiation, months ahead of time, is borderline suicidal. Unfortunately for all concerned "intensely political and irrational" will characterise the brexit talks from start to finish.
Labour really are in trouble if this is the best for this very important position in politics.
Wine both provoketh and unprovoketh, for it provoketh the desire and unprovoketh the performance [or suchlike].
Good evening, everyone.
http://election-data.co.uk/ukip-the-local-by-election-evidence
Happy days...
[As CDs are practically dead and gone these days, you can also entertain the children by fixing one vertically on some blutac, then microwaving it. The coruscation of sparks across the surface is pretty cool. Ventilated area recommended. Also google microwaving grapes and plasma. Umm, I think I need to get out a bit more.]
I'm sure some people will move to Frankfurt and Paris. those people who are not as required as they believe they are will be given the opportunity to further their career in a European backwater while being led to believe its a great promotion.
And London as a whole will continue as before with little bits of work down elsewhere.
"Democrats generally use guns to commit crimes. Republican use guns for sport and for self-defense."
Is it meant to be funny, or what?
"looking at" <> any chance of moving at all
Wow if the AA vote continues like that he is surely screwed.
See also all his previous posts for examples.
Good afternoon.
Mr. Anorak, doesn't that create cyanide?
Mr. Anorak(2), Barcelona was founded by Hannibal's father, Hamilcar [it's contested, but a nice idea].
Should Scotland's bankers be nervous?
Do you consider that it is just possible that the First Minister has thought about these things more deeply than you pair.
It is obvious that she has more of a worked out plan than the Prime Minister.
In reality the main thing preventing a mass exodus from London is inertia, and the need for office space and infrastructure in their new site. It is far more likely that there will be a rundown by natural wastage and gradual job transfers rather than a mass movement.
My cousin who works in artificial intelligence for automated trading moved to the Continent this summer and seems quite happy, but I think the move was planned pre-Brexit.
How does a 'worked out plan' pay for moving from a Union that puts money into Scotland, to one that will take money out of Scotland?
Do tell......