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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,135
    Alistair said:

    Chris said:

    619 said:
    It's disturbing to read some of the stuff Scott Adams is coming out with now:
    "Democrats generally use guns to commit crimes. Republican use guns for sport and for self-defense."

    Is it meant to be funny, or what?
    It's meant to cause a reaction that Adams can then belittle you for having as he didn't really say the thing you are accusing him of saying.

    See also all his previous posts for examples.
    Having looked at some more of his stuff, he does give the impression of trying to be provocative without being clear.

    But I assure you he really did say the thing I put in quotation marks (unless somebody hacked into his website).
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    scotslass said:

    Carlotta/Alanbroke

    Do you consider that it is just possible that the First Minister has thought about these things more deeply than you pair.

    It is obvious that she has more of a worked out plan than the Prime Minister.

    I have and reached the conclusion she;s gone for the motormouth option.

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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Personal double tax issues. Take my word for it.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited October 2016
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Genuine question...

    In 2016 why does the banker need to be physically in the bank? Open an office for the bank in Lux etc, stay in London.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,014
    AnneJGP said:

    Miss JGP, reloading times in that era were horrendous, so you'd probably get off just the one shot then use your sword.

    (snipped)

    Thank you, that is fascinating. Muskets were quite large, weren't they? Did they just throw away the musket after the shot if no time to reload? It would be hard to engage in a sword fight with a musket strapped to your back, wouldn't it?
    As I understand it, musketry involved using several rows of soldiers so that as one row fired those behind were finishing loading and the third r.ow preparing to load. The second row then fired over the first, and so on. Ny the time the third row had fired the first row had finished reloading and were ready to fire.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    FF43 said:

    Anorak said:



    You list your demands. What you do not do is list your fallback position.

    In a rational negotiation, perhaps, but only at an appropriate time of your choosing.

    A list of demands submitted into an intensely political and irrational negotiation, months ahead of time, is borderline suicidal. Unfortunately for all concerned "intensely political and irrational" will characterise the brexit talks from start to finish.
    It doesn't work like a poker game because politics is about buying off interests. Theresa May talks tough on Brexit, not to gain negotiating power, but to pander to her party interest groups. May's supposed Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) is Hard Brexit and isn't a Best Alternative at all. The EU's BATNA is a Hard Brexit that doesn't damage their own special interests too much. I don't think the EU side is inherently more sensible than our lot, but they are sitting pretty on this negotiation, while May deals with the contradictions of her negotiating positions.

    Yup.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    But... I thought all clinton voters hated her???

    https://twitter.com/nickgourevitch/status/790514518719860736
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Genuine question...

    In 2016 why does the banker need to be physically in the bank? Open an office for the bank in Lux etc, stay in London.
    It's a question that needs answering, can the business be carried out with a brass plate on a server or does that bank physically need staff in an office.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,092
    MaxPB said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I have to say any banker looking to set up in a separatist region needs to get their head examined.
    Brexit is separatism.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Genuine question...

    In 2016 why does the banker need to be physically in the bank? Open an office for the bank in Lux etc, stay in London.
    Tax authorities are increasingly looking to physical presence and effective decision making as a test for gaining tax advantages with a given jurisdiction (there is more coming on this from the OECD shortly). In effect the real company test. Otherwise there's a real risk that it will be seen as a fronting entity which is an increasingly unhappy place to be.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2016

    AnneJGP said:

    Miss JGP, reloading times in that era were horrendous, so you'd probably get off just the one shot then use your sword.

    (snipped)

    Thank you, that is fascinating. Muskets were quite large, weren't they? Did they just throw away the musket after the shot if no time to reload? It would be hard to engage in a sword fight with a musket strapped to your back, wouldn't it?
    As I understand it, musketry involved using several rows of soldiers so that as one row fired those behind were finishing loading and the third r.ow preparing to load. The second row then fired over the first, and so on. Ny the time the third row had fired the first row had finished reloading and were ready to fire.
    I think at the period in question, musketeers were protected by pikemen in a defensive manner. Lines of infantry firing as you describe came later. Early muskets were heavy and unweieldy as well as being slow to load, so not so useful for offensive operations.

    Rather as Dragoons rarely fought as mounted infantry, and Fusileers rarely lobbed grenades, or indeed modern paratroops rarely use parachutes, musketeers became an elite unit to protect the King in battle. Certainly that is how they seem to function in the story.
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    AnneJGP said:

    Miss JGP, reloading times in that era were horrendous, so you'd probably get off just the one shot then use your sword.

    (snipped)

    Thank you, that is fascinating. Muskets were quite large, weren't they? Did they just throw away the musket after the shot if no time to reload? It would be hard to engage in a sword fight with a musket strapped to your back, wouldn't it?</blockquote
    The bayonet
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Despite the national polls the race is still close in the swing states.


    9m
    Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
    Monmouth has a strong poll for Republicans in NC: Clinton+1, Burr+6, McCroy+1 https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_NC_102416/
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    MaxPB said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I have to say any banker looking to set up in a separatist region needs to get their head examined.
    Brexit is separatism.
    Which is why any banks that considers moving won't go to a separatist region. If you're leaving London to go back into the EU then investing money in a place that might also leave the EU is the height of stupidity.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,025
    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Genuine question...

    In 2016 why does the banker need to be physically in the bank? Open an office for the bank in Lux etc, stay in London.
    Cyclefree can answer that one: essentially regulators want responsible people to be where they can be arrested talked to. Someone needs to be in country to be the one who's fingered.
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    MTimT said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Big news of the day seems to be an episode of Poldark apparently.

    It was quite shocking. Not only was the great hero, Ross Poldark, unfaithful to the lovely Demelza, he possibly did it with a rape, or something close.

    I'd call that brave scriptwriting. Or suicidal. Next Sunday's viewing figures will reveal....

    My (admittedly fuzzy) recollection from the original series what that it was in a 'droit de seigneur' context. Was that the case this time too?

    Of course, that sort of thing is unacceptable now, but I am not sure I agree that actors should re-write either history or historical fiction (or indeed art) just to conform with today's mores. Part of knowing who we are (and the progress we have made as a society) is knowing what we were.
    Rape is enormously popular in historical romantic fiction.
    Because, of course, a lot of women fantasize about forced and submissive sex endlessly, though the Guardianista feminists would deny this til they die. The handsome dominant man who roughly takes what he wants, from the faintly resisting but secretly excited woman, is a huge turn-on.

    Fifty Shades of Grey sold 100m copies. ONE HUNDRED MILLION.

    Not read it, but isn't the central point about 50 Shades of Grey that it's entirely consensual?

    No. Famously the line is blurred several times. And blurring is being generous to Mr Gray.

    Fair enough. As any normal man would do, I refused my wife permission to buy the book when she requested it.

    What about the servants?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,030

    scotslass said:

    Carlotta/Alanbroke

    Do you consider that it is just possible that the First Minister has thought about these things more deeply than you pair.

    It is obvious that she has more of a worked out plan than the Prime Minister.

    How does a 'worked out plan' prioritise 15% of Scotland's trade over 60% of it?

    How does a 'worked out plan' pay for moving from a Union that puts money into Scotland, to one that will take money out of Scotland?

    Do tell......
    When has teh union ever put money into Scotland, it borrows money and makes Scotland pay all the interest. Get a grip do you think we would be daft enough to be borrowing 100 Billion if independent , wasting money on London and south east infrastructure , London airports , HS2 , pathetic nucleur submarines , aircraft carriers , and on and on and on.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FF43 said:

    Anorak said:



    You list your demands. What you do not do is list your fallback position.

    In a rational negotiation, perhaps, but only at an appropriate time of your choosing.

    A list of demands submitted into an intensely political and irrational negotiation, months ahead of time, is borderline suicidal. Unfortunately for all concerned "intensely political and irrational" will characterise the brexit talks from start to finish.
    It doesn't work like a poker game because politics is about buying off interests. Theresa May talks tough on Brexit, not to gain negotiating power, but to pander to her party interest groups. May's supposed Best Alternative to Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) is Hard Brexit and isn't a Best Alternative at all. The EU's BATNA is a Hard Brexit that doesn't damage their own special interests too much. I don't think the EU side is inherently more sensible than our lot, but they are sitting pretty on this negotiation, while May deals with the contradictions of her negotiating positions.

    That is an excellent description of why the EU hold the advantage, and when the A5O is triggered even more so. Hence the sloth in acting while May waits for her Baldricks to come up with a cunning plan. She cannot wait indefinitely though, and as someone said the other day, looks increasingly like a sphinx without a riddle.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Florida - North Carolina - Georgia - Virginia - Times-Picayune/Lucid - Samples 802-942 - 17-18 Oct

    FL - Clinton 45 .. Trump 39
    NC - Clinton 42 .. Trump 41
    GA - Clinton 44 .. Trump 40
    VA - Clinton 43 .. Trump 38

    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Florida-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/North-Carolina-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    North Carolina - Monmouth - Sample 402 - 20-23 Oct

    Clinton 47 .. Trump 46

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_NC_102416/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JackW said:

    Florida - North Carolina - Georgia - Virginia - Times-Picayune/Lucid - Samples 802-942 - 17-18 Oct

    FL - Clinton 45 .. Trump 39
    NC - Clinton 42 .. Trump 41
    GA - Clinton 44 .. Trump 40
    VA - Clinton 43 .. Trump 38

    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Florida-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/North-Carolina-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf

    Your micro-ARSE is producing some great nuggets.

    If GA goes Clinton, then the future of Trumpism looks bleak. How can the Republicans find a way back?
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    619619 Posts: 1,784

    JackW said:

    Florida - North Carolina - Georgia - Virginia - Times-Picayune/Lucid - Samples 802-942 - 17-18 Oct

    FL - Clinton 45 .. Trump 39
    NC - Clinton 42 .. Trump 41
    GA - Clinton 44 .. Trump 40
    VA - Clinton 43 .. Trump 38

    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Florida-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/North-Carolina-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf

    Your micro-ARSE is producing some great nuggets.

    If GA goes Clinton, then the future of Trumpism looks bleak. How can the Republicans find a way back?
    GA????

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779
    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Carlotta Vance

    You really will have to stay consistent with the Brexiteer world.

    England is Scotland's largest export market but Scotland is England's fourth largest and two of the others are Germany and France!

    England is also one of the very countries with which Scotland runs a trade deficit. On the Brexiteer logic then it would be irrational for England to wish for anything other than an open border with its fourth largest trade partner with whom it runs a trade surplus!

    Of course if you take the view than the rest of the planet is transfixed by the greatness of Britannia then you will come to believe than anything is sensible!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Genuine question...

    In 2016 why does the banker need to be physically in the bank? Open an office for the bank in Lux etc, stay in London.
    Cyclefree can answer that one: essentially regulators want responsible people to be where they can be arrested talked to. Someone needs to be in country to be the one who's fingered.
    In a world of growing fintech, does the concept of people needing to be in a country seem rather strange?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    619 said:

    But... I thought all clinton voters hated her???

    https://twitter.com/nickgourevitch/status/790514518719860736

    Well one way of looking at it is that Trump has become less detestable.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    619 said:

    JackW said:

    Florida - North Carolina - Georgia - Virginia - Times-Picayune/Lucid - Samples 802-942 - 17-18 Oct

    FL - Clinton 45 .. Trump 39
    NC - Clinton 42 .. Trump 41
    GA - Clinton 44 .. Trump 40
    VA - Clinton 43 .. Trump 38

    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Florida-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/North-Carolina-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf

    Your micro-ARSE is producing some great nuggets.

    If GA goes Clinton, then the future of Trumpism looks bleak. How can the Republicans find a way back?
    GA????

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    How can she be 4% ahead in Georgia but only 5% ahead in Virginia? Doesn't sound right.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779
    scotslass said:

    Carlotta Vance

    You really will have to stay consistent with the Brexiteer world.

    England is Scotland's largest export market but Scotland is England's fourth largest and two of the others are Germany and France!

    England is also one of the very countries with which Scotland runs a trade deficit. On the Brexiteer logic then it would be irrational for England to wish for anything other than an open border with its fourth largest trade partner with whom it runs a trade surplus!

    Of course if you take the view than the rest of the planet is transfixed by the greatness of Britannia then you will come to believe than anything is sensible!

    Answer the question.

    Why prioritise 15% of your trade over 60%?

    Why move from receiving funds to sending them?

    You said Sturgeon had a plan- what is it?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779
    malcolmg said:

    scotslass said:

    Carlotta/Alanbroke

    Do you consider that it is just possible that the First Minister has thought about these things more deeply than you pair.

    It is obvious that she has more of a worked out plan than the Prime Minister.

    How does a 'worked out plan' prioritise 15% of Scotland's trade over 60% of it?

    How does a 'worked out plan' pay for moving from a Union that puts money into Scotland, to one that will take money out of Scotland?

    Do tell......
    it borrows money and makes Scotland pay all the interest
    'Deluded' does not quite cover it.....
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    JackW said:

    Florida - North Carolina - Georgia - Virginia - Times-Picayune/Lucid - Samples 802-942 - 17-18 Oct

    FL - Clinton 45 .. Trump 39
    NC - Clinton 42 .. Trump 41
    GA - Clinton 44 .. Trump 40
    VA - Clinton 43 .. Trump 38

    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Florida-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/North-Carolina-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf
    http://luc.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Georgia-Battleground-Results.pdf

    Your micro-ARSE is producing some great nuggets.

    If GA goes Clinton, then the future of Trumpism looks bleak. How can the Republicans find a way back?
    They dont. They will split into regional parties depending on how bad the loss is, the southern strategy is no longer working.
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    scotslass said:

    Carlotta Vance

    You really will have to stay consistent with the Brexiteer world.

    England is Scotland's largest export market but Scotland is England's fourth largest and two of the others are Germany and France!

    England is also one of the very countries with which Scotland runs a trade deficit. On the Brexiteer logic then it would be irrational for England to wish for anything other than an open border with its fourth largest trade partner with whom it runs a trade surplus!

    Of course if you take the view than the rest of the planet is transfixed by the greatness of Britannia then you will come to believe than anything is sensible!

    Answer the question.
    Why prioritise 15% of your trade over 60%?
    Why move from receiving funds to sending them?
    You said Sturgeon had a plan- what is it?
    Ah the 60% vs 15% question.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Your micro-ARSE is producing some great nuggets.

    If GA goes Clinton, then the future of Trumpism looks bleak. How can the Republicans find a way back?

    Obama came with 5 points in 08. However although demographics are trending blue I doubt the state will go for Clinton. In these last two weeks if Clinton or a top surrogate visits the state it will certainly give a cheek of ARSE a slight twitch .. :smile:
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited October 2016
    ''If GA goes Clinton, then the future of Trumpism looks bleak. How can the Republicans find a way back?''

    They can't. If Trump loses Hillary will freshly stock the Democrat base with millions of extra immmigrant voters over the next four years.

    The Repubs could choose a centrist liberal Republican and still lose. In fact, they could go down to an even bigger defeat, because the Trump supporters will desert.
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I have to say any banker looking to set up in a separatist region needs to get their head examined.
    Brexit is separatism.
    Which is why any banks that considers moving won't go to a separatist region. If you're leaving London to go back into the EU then investing money in a place that might also leave the EU is the height of stupidity.
    Hits nail on the head. Rather screws up Scotland with its will they, won't they antics.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,936
    Meme going round about John Whittingdale

    Expenses:

    £1800 boiler
    £1014 bed
    £1828 bathroom fitting

    I'm not sure I believe it tbh.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability

    Not a surprising statement. Have been watching the polls on this topic, albeit not avidly, for the past few weeks. They've mostly been very close, with more leaning to No than Yes, IIRC.

    Consensus seems to be that Renzi is finished if he loses, and there will presumably have to be a General Election in the New Year.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    JackW said:

    North Carolina - PPP - Sample 875 - 21-23 Oct

    Clinton 49 .. Trump 46

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_102416.pdf

    Trump needs NC. I don't think he has led in any polls there since the Convention...
    The early voting numbers in the poll are also encouraging for Clinton.
    How can they be allowed to poll those already voted?
    Rules are alot looser in the USA about reporting in/of polls than they are here.
    First Amendment baby! See also jurors discussing their deliberations after the verdict.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National - Centre College Kentucky - Sample 710 - 18-23 Oct

    Clinton 49.3 .. Trump 42.3

    http://web.centre.edu/benjamin.knoll/2016FCSStopline.pdf
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited October 2016
    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,936
    JackW said:

    Kentucky - Sample 710 - 18-23 Oct

    Clinton 49.3 .. Trump 42.3

    http://web.centre.edu/benjamin.knoll/2016FCSStopline.pdf

    Trump definitely in trouble if he is 7 points behind in KY ^_~
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779

    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability

    Not a surprising statement. Have been watching the polls on this topic, albeit not avidly, for the past few weeks. They've mostly been very close, with more leaning to No than Yes, IIRC.

    Consensus seems to be that Renzi is finished if he loses, and there will presumably have to be a General Election in the New Year.
    Which raises the interesting question, which of May, Merkel, Hollande & Renzi will be in place a year from now.....possibly only one of the above......
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    JackW said:

    National - Centre College Kentucky - Sample 710 - 18-23 Oct

    Clinton 49.3 .. Trump 42.3

    http://web.centre.edu/benjamin.knoll/2016FCSStopline.pdf

    My heart skipped a beat there.

    Clinton has a 7 point lead in Kentucky?!!!

    KENTUCKY?

    Nope. National.

    ;)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability

    Not a surprising statement. Have been watching the polls on this topic, albeit not avidly, for the past few weeks. They've mostly been very close, with more leaning to No than Yes, IIRC.

    Consensus seems to be that Renzi is finished if he loses, and there will presumably have to be a General Election in the New Year.
    Which raises the interesting question, which of May, Merkel, Hollande & Renzi will be in place a year from now.....possibly only one of the above......
    Hollande = canard mort
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,423
    @SeanT probably the most amusing part of Brexit for me is the idea the French have of creaming off a chunk of the City to move to Paris.

    No-one wants to go to Paris. Apart from TSE.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    @SeanT probably the most amusing part of Brexit for me is the idea the French have of creaming off a chunk of the City to move to Paris.

    No-one wants to go to Paris. Apart from TSE.

    TSE lives under the illusion that France is a civillised country
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    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability

    Not a surprising statement. Have been watching the polls on this topic, albeit not avidly, for the past few weeks. They've mostly been very close, with more leaning to No than Yes, IIRC.

    Consensus seems to be that Renzi is finished if he loses, and there will presumably have to be a General Election in the New Year.
    Which raises the interesting question, which of May, Merkel, Hollande & Renzi will be in place a year from now.....possibly only one of the above......
    Hollande = canard mort
    Dead, buried, funeral and wake.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability

    Not a surprising statement. Have been watching the polls on this topic, albeit not avidly, for the past few weeks. They've mostly been very close, with more leaning to No than Yes, IIRC.

    Consensus seems to be that Renzi is finished if he loses, and there will presumably have to be a General Election in the New Year.
    Which raises the interesting question, which of May, Merkel, Hollande & Renzi will be in place a year from now.....possibly only one of the above......
    Hollande = canard mort
    Dead, buried, funeral and wake.
    confit de canard a la francois
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,025

    EIU now thinks Italy will vote No - narrowly:

    After many months of predicting a "yes" vote at Italy's constitutional referendum on December 4th, we are revising our central scenario.

    Our baseline forecast is now that a "no" vote is narrowly the most likely outcome (55% probability), although we still believe there is a strong chance that the reform could be confirmed (45% probability).

    This change in our forecast is based on several factors, including trends in opinion polling; the government's communications campaign; developments in partisan politics; and the economy's lacklustre performance.

    As we explain in our October country report, we believe that a rejection of the reform will have negative implications for political stability and Italy's economic outlook.

    It is also likely to force the resignation of Matteo Renzi, the prime minister, and the formation of a caretaker government.


    http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=784740462&Country=Italy&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+stability

    Not a surprising statement. Have been watching the polls on this topic, albeit not avidly, for the past few weeks. They've mostly been very close, with more leaning to No than Yes, IIRC.

    Consensus seems to be that Renzi is finished if he loses, and there will presumably have to be a General Election in the New Year.
    Renzi has said he will resign if he loses, and I'm sure that's correct.

    *But* that does not mean there will be an election. It means that the Italian President will ask the Democratic Party if there's another person who can command the confidence of the Lower and Upper Houses of the Italian parliament. The DP will say "Yes", and - just as in the UK - someone else will take over.

    There is a certain humour in all of this. The biggest beneficiaries of the constitutional change would be The Five Star Movement. But they are the people campaigning against it (for the tactical reason that any defeat of the DP is worth going for.)
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    nunu said:


    How can she be 4% ahead in Georgia but only 5% ahead in Virginia? Doesn't sound right.

    Say the true picture is Clinton+7 nationally, that would imply around something like GA -2, VA +9. Not inconsistent with these state polls given the sample size.

    I'm still dubious Clinton can take Georgia tbh, although hopeful (since it'd give my Texas longshot bet a chance!).
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
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    Dead or..well, dead.

    '80s Pop Icon Pete Burns Dies'

    http://tinyurl.com/j6rjmak
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.''

    'And people on here tell me that American elections aren't identity elections. LOL.
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    taffys said:

    ''Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.''

    'And people on here tell me that American elections aren't identity elections. LOL.

    Who's told you that?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,423

    @SeanT probably the most amusing part of Brexit for me is the idea the French have of creaming off a chunk of the City to move to Paris.

    No-one wants to go to Paris. Apart from TSE.

    TSE lives under the illusion that France is a civillised country
    Even the French bankers don't want to go to Paris.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,936

    Dead or..well, dead.

    '80s Pop Icon Pete Burns Dies'

    http://tinyurl.com/j6rjmak

    Top news on BBC News.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    taffys said:

    ''Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.''

    'And people on here tell me that American elections aren't identity elections. LOL.

    its not identity politics for a minority to refuse to vote for an openly racist candidate like Trump. If the republicans want to get hisoabic votes, they need to stop being racist
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,053
    edited October 2016
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and may run for Governor or the Senate in 2018
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Carlotta

    You really haven't been keeping up have you.

    Sturgeon has been as clear as May has been opaque.

    She has interpreted her mandate from the European referendum to 1) keep Scotland in the single market 2) protect the civil rights of European citizens in Scotland and 3) to protect the social and employment rights of Scots.

    She will discharge this by a) combining with others to prevent a hard Brexit b) propose a specific deal for Scotland and Northern Ireland and c) hold an independence referendum if a) and b) are refused. The last of these is supported by a specific mandate from the Scottish elections in May.

    Incidentally her point on b) was supported at the weekend by an editorial in the Financial Times and an Op Ed in the Irish Times.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    TGOHF said:


    Let them all build more runways..


    On Brexit some interesting trade tariff figures here...

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/eu-mad-start-trade-war-britain-heres/

    "Germany, not surprisingly, would be the biggest net loser: its exporters would pay £3.4 billion in tariffs, compared with the £0.9 billion worth of tariffs paid by UK exporters selling to Germany. France, too, would be a big loser, not least due to the higher tariffs allowed for agricultural goods under MFN rules. French exporters to the UK would pay £1.4 billion in tariffs, compared with £700 million paid by UK exporters to France."

    Well one company I know currently imports stuff to UK, processes it and sells it across EU with a very considerable margin. It can easily switch manufacturing to continent. If it does so the UK will get nice high tariffs on the small proportion that is sold in the UK. But the UK loses out overall - especially the workers.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    scotslass said:

    Carlotta

    You really haven't been keeping up have you.

    Sturgeon has been as clear as May has been opaque.

    She has interpreted her mandate from the European referendum to 1) keep Scotland in the single market 2) protect the civil rights of European citizens in Scotland and 3) to protect the social and employment rights of Scots.

    She will discharge this by a) combining with others to prevent a hard Brexit b) propose a specific deal for Scotland and Northern Ireland and c) hold an independence referendum if a) and b) are refused. The last of these is supported by a specific mandate from the Scottish elections in May.

    Incidentally her point on b) was supported at the weekend by an editorial in the Financial Times and an Op Ed in the Irish Times.

    two newspapers which have called just about everything on Brexit wrong
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Andrew said:

    nunu said:


    How can she be 4% ahead in Georgia but only 5% ahead in Virginia? Doesn't sound right.

    Say the true picture is Clinton+7 nationally, that would imply around something like GA -2, VA +9. Not inconsistent with these state polls given the sample size.

    I'm still dubious Clinton can take Georgia tbh, although hopeful (since it'd give my Texas longshot bet a chance!).
    Well a Louisiana poll showed her on 20% with white voters, if that is similar outside of Atlanta suburbs she has no chance.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779
    scotslass said:

    Carlotta

    You really haven't been keeping up have you.

    Sturgeon has been as clear as May has been opaque.

    She has interpreted her mandate from the European referendum to 1) keep Scotland in the single market 2) protect the civil rights of European citizens in Scotland and 3) to protect the social and employment rights of Scots.

    She will discharge this by a) combining with others to prevent a hard Brexit b) propose a specific deal for Scotland and Northern Ireland and c) hold an independence referendum if a) and b) are refused. The last of these is supported by a specific mandate from the Scottish elections in May.

    Incidentally her point on b) was supported at the weekend by an editorial in the Financial Times and an Op Ed in the Irish Times.

    And answer came there none.

    If the risk to Scotland is to its trade - why prioritise 15% of that trade over 60%?
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,135
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I have to say any banker looking to set up in a separatist region needs to get their head examined.
    Yes, every potential EU rival to London has major problems (on top of lacking the ecosystem and financial infrastructure)

    Dublin: provincial, rainy
    Paris: speak French, anti-business laws, security issues
    Frankfurt: boring, speak German
    Luxembourg: incredibly boring
    Amsterdam: small town, too many canals, smells of herring

    As others have written it's possible that if Hard Brexit is a disaster for the City, a lot of the business will go to NYC or Hong Kong/Singapore, and/or simply disappear altogether
    I think that you do need to allow for the fact that the top echelons are often not British. French bankers may well like Paris or Geneva, German ones may like Frankfurt etc. It is the British commuters who are less linguistically skilled and more easily replaced.

    In reality the main thing preventing a mass exodus from London is inertia, and the need for office space and infrastructure in their new site. It is far more likely that there will be a rundown by natural wastage and gradual job transfers rather than a mass movement.

    My cousin who works in artificial intelligence for automated trading moved to the Continent this summer and seems quite happy, but I think the move was planned pre-Brexit.
    Fair point. Tho I still think most will prefer London. The city has been structured so as to service these people, in essence.

    I agree that if London declines it will come from natural wastage as firms shift FUTURE investments into the EU. But that presumes London doesn't come back fighting: with aggressive tax breaks, specially flexible regulations, etc.

    Given London's history, that will be exactly what London does. It is in the city's DNA. Remember what Canary Wharf was, 40 years ago. The city has incredible powers of revival. I wouldn't write off The Smoke, just yet.

    At this point, perhaps we should be thinking in terms of making the UK more attractive to artificial intelligences. We do have the Lucasian Chair to offer ...
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and may run for Governor or the Senate in 2018
    noooo. Its about WWC with no college degree vs women, hispanics, college educated whites, african american and the young.

    Trumps one demo is outnumbered.

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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Interestingly, that politico story downthead echoes the views I heard from that ultra-rich birthday party I went to. The Brexiteering financiers and billionaires reckoned the banks were bluffing: "no one wants to live in Frankfurt, or even Paris. Most will stay."

    Hmm.

    The banker I talked to suggested his firm was looking at setting up in Barcelona, as one of the few sensible places where a London financier would happily relocate to.
    I'm sure some will go but if we are nimble in our flexible, post-EU future, we will be able to attract others. e.g. official euro clearing will surely shift to the EU (tho this was likely long term, anyway); at the same time we will be able to strike down some of the anti-biz EU laws (bonuses anyone?) making London more alluring.

    They won't go to Barcelona. Dublin is the most likely candidate.
    If this business went to Dublin, I reckon most London bankers would find a way to commute.
    Genuine question...

    In 2016 why does the banker need to be physically in the bank? Open an office for the bank in Lux etc, stay in London.
    And where does the tax get paid?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and may run for Governor or the Senate in 2018
    Nah Bush vs. Michelle. Dems in control for another 8 years.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    scotslass said:

    Carlotta

    You really haven't been keeping up have you.

    Sturgeon has been as clear as May has been opaque.

    She has interpreted her mandate from the European referendum to 1) keep Scotland in the single market 2) protect the civil rights of European citizens in Scotland and 3) to protect the social and employment rights of Scots.

    She will discharge this by a) combining with others to prevent a hard Brexit b) propose a specific deal for Scotland and Northern Ireland and c) hold an independence referendum if a) and b) are refused. The last of these is supported by a specific mandate from the Scottish elections in May.

    Incidentally her point on b) was supported at the weekend by an editorial in the Financial Times and an Op Ed in the Irish Times.

    And answer came there none.

    If the risk to Scotland is to its trade - why prioritise 15% of that trade over 60%?
    look haggis !
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,360

    TGOHF said:


    Let them all build more runways..


    On Brexit some interesting trade tariff figures here...

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/eu-mad-start-trade-war-britain-heres/

    "Germany, not surprisingly, would be the biggest net loser: its exporters would pay £3.4 billion in tariffs, compared with the £0.9 billion worth of tariffs paid by UK exporters selling to Germany. France, too, would be a big loser, not least due to the higher tariffs allowed for agricultural goods under MFN rules. French exporters to the UK would pay £1.4 billion in tariffs, compared with £700 million paid by UK exporters to France."

    Well one company I know currently imports stuff to UK, processes it and sells it across EU with a very considerable margin. It can easily switch manufacturing to continent. If it does so the UK will get nice high tariffs on the small proportion that is sold in the UK. But the UK loses out overall - especially the workers.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen.
    Regardless of the import of intermediates, Brexiers think that the UK is the only country allowed to act with its heart over its head. Whilst we have accepted that we will be paying some kind of price for Brexit, our negotiating position is likely to be predicated upon the idea that the EU will choose to pay no kind of price whatsoever.

    Now, if I was the head of one of the EU27 I would seek to minimise economic damage, but it's not something that should be counted upon when set against the undoubted enthusiasm of key EU players to keep the EU project on track. At, ahem, any price.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    619 said:

    taffys said:

    ''Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.''

    'And people on here tell me that American elections aren't identity elections. LOL.

    its not identity politics for a minority to refuse to vote for an openly racist candidate like Trump. If the republicans want to get hisoabic votes, they need to stop being racist
    And in any case who started it? Perhaps Nixon with his southern strategy.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    What are the odds on Cublington?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,025
    My home server, a ancient and venerable Mac Mini, has given up the ghost. The hard drive is making horrible noises and it isn't booting up :(
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    from NBC

    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/republican-lead-two-early-voting-states-will-be-tested-n671396

    Florida is well within MoE compared to 2012 - but NC looks good for the Democrats.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and May run for Governor or the Senate in 2018

    So essentially if Trump runs the table, pulls a royal flush and gets six numbers up on lotto, then he wins .... who knew ?!?

    Cubans now make up only 30% of Floridan Hispanics and the younger demographic of the former are trending Democrat.

    A spike in WWC for Trump will add at most 1.5 points to Trump. Not nearly enough to outweigh the combined women, college educated white and Hispanic increase.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    TOPPING said:

    TGOHF said:


    Let them all build more runways..


    On Brexit some interesting trade tariff figures here...

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/eu-mad-start-trade-war-britain-heres/

    "Germany, not surprisingly, would be the biggest net loser: its exporters would pay £3.4 billion in tariffs, compared with the £0.9 billion worth of tariffs paid by UK exporters selling to Germany. France, too, would be a big loser, not least due to the higher tariffs allowed for agricultural goods under MFN rules. French exporters to the UK would pay £1.4 billion in tariffs, compared with £700 million paid by UK exporters to France."

    Well one company I know currently imports stuff to UK, processes it and sells it across EU with a very considerable margin. It can easily switch manufacturing to continent. If it does so the UK will get nice high tariffs on the small proportion that is sold in the UK. But the UK loses out overall - especially the workers.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen.
    Regardless of the import of intermediates, Brexiers think that the UK is the only country allowed to act with its heart over its head. Whilst we have accepted that we will be paying some kind of price for Brexit, our negotiating position is likely to be predicated upon the idea that the EU will choose to pay no kind of price whatsoever.

    Now, if I was the head of one of the EU27 I would seek to minimise economic damage, but it's not something that should be counted upon when set against the undoubted enthusiasm of key EU players to keep the EU project on track. At, ahem, any price.
    I don't think the EU27 believe that there will be very much economic damage for the EU from Brexit. A lot of things that Britain gets from Europe we can't get from anywhere else - in the short term at least, whilst there aren't that many things they rely on sourcing from the UK. And even if these things aren't 100% true, politically they might as well be, as far as the EU27 are concerned. And the transition will be relatively cheap and painless for them - they're used to dealing with non-EU countries.

    But the short-term economic damage to the UK will be considerable, not least from the costs of converting to dealing with every other country on a new footing.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    rcs1000 said:

    My home server, a ancient and venerable Mac Mini, has given up the ghost. The hard drive is making horrible noises and it isn't booting up :(

    I've just bought an Android TV box. It's great.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779
    You know when someone says 'I'm not bluffing'......what's the first thing that occurs to you?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37747995
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    rcs1000 said:

    My home server, a ancient and venerable Mac Mini, has given up the ghost. The hard drive is making horrible noises and it isn't booting up :(

    I originally thought you meant PB was run from a Mac Mini.... :D
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    Dadge said:

    TOPPING said:

    TGOHF said:


    Let them all build more runways..


    On Brexit some interesting trade tariff figures here...

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/eu-mad-start-trade-war-britain-heres/

    "Germany, not surprisingly, would be the biggest net loser: its exporters would pay £3.4 billion in tariffs, compared with the £0.9 billion worth of tariffs paid by UK exporters selling to Germany. France, too, would be a big loser, not least due to the higher tariffs allowed for agricultural goods under MFN rules. French exporters to the UK would pay £1.4 billion in tariffs, compared with £700 million paid by UK exporters to France."

    Well one company I know currently imports stuff to UK, processes it and sells it across EU with a very considerable margin. It can easily switch manufacturing to continent. If it does so the UK will get nice high tariffs on the small proportion that is sold in the UK. But the UK loses out overall - especially the workers.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen.
    Regardless of the import of intermediates, Brexiers think that the UK is the only country allowed to act with its heart over its head. Whilst we have accepted that we will be paying some kind of price for Brexit, our negotiating position is likely to be predicated upon the idea that the EU will choose to pay no kind of price whatsoever.

    Now, if I was the head of one of the EU27 I would seek to minimise economic damage, but it's not something that should be counted upon when set against the undoubted enthusiasm of key EU players to keep the EU project on track. At, ahem, any price.
    I don't think the EU27 believe that there will be very much economic damage for the EU from Brexit. A lot of things that Britain gets from Europe we can't get from anywhere else - in the short term at least, whilst there aren't that many things they rely on sourcing from the UK. And even if these things aren't 100% true, politically they might as well be, as far as the EU27 are concerned. And the transition will be relatively cheap and painless for them - they're used to dealing with non-EU countries.

    But the short-term economic damage to the UK will be considerable, not least from the costs of converting to dealing with every other country on a new footing.
    err what critical items will we struggle to get from elsewhere ?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,048
    edited October 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    My home server, a ancient and venerable Mac Mini, has given up the ghost. The hard drive is making horrible noises and it isn't booting up :(

    Has the magic smoke come out of it yet?

    (For the non-techies out there, electronics is manufactured by wizards and witches, whose magic invocations gives the electronics its power. When it goes wrong, the magic emerges as a smoke with a very distinctive smell. Well, it's either escaping magic or a capacitor's blown).

    Edit:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_smoke
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Dadge said:

    TOPPING said:

    TGOHF said:


    Let them all build more runways..


    On Brexit some interesting trade tariff figures here...

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/eu-mad-start-trade-war-britain-heres/

    "Germany, not surprisingly, would be the biggest net loser: its exporters would pay £3.4 billion in tariffs, compared with the £0.9 billion worth of tariffs paid by UK exporters selling to Germany. France, too, would be a big loser, not least due to the higher tariffs allowed for agricultural goods under MFN rules. French exporters to the UK would pay £1.4 billion in tariffs, compared with £700 million paid by UK exporters to France."

    Well one company I know currently imports stuff to UK, processes it and sells it across EU with a very considerable margin. It can easily switch manufacturing to continent. If it does so the UK will get nice high tariffs on the small proportion that is sold in the UK. But the UK loses out overall - especially the workers.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen.
    Regardless of the import of intermediates, Brexiers think that the UK is the only country allowed to act with its heart over its head. Whilst we have accepted that we will be paying some kind of price for Brexit, our negotiating position is likely to be predicated upon the idea that the EU will choose to pay no kind of price whatsoever.

    Now, if I was the head of one of the EU27 I would seek to minimise economic damage, but it's not something that should be counted upon when set against the undoubted enthusiasm of key EU players to keep the EU project on track. At, ahem, any price.
    I don't think the EU27 believe that there will be very much economic damage for the EU from Brexit. A lot of things that Britain gets from Europe we can't get from anywhere else - in the short term at least, whilst there aren't that many things they rely on sourcing from the UK. And even if these things aren't 100% true, politically they might as well be, as far as the EU27 are concerned. And the transition will be relatively cheap and painless for them - they're used to dealing with non-EU countries.

    But the short-term economic damage to the UK will be considerable, not least from the costs of converting to dealing with every other country on a new footing.
    I deal with non EU customers every day. Not an issue.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779
    Downing Street says the PM is set to rebuff calls for a flexible Brexit, which would allow parts of the UK to have their own arrangement,’ said the BBC radio news this morning. Not quite. This notion has been rejected in Europe, where the idea of doing some kind of separate deal with Scotland or any constituent part of the UK was never a deal. The ‘options’ that the SNP talk about do not exist as far as the EU is concerned: it is a giant bluff. It’s far from clear why she is asking Theresa May for something that the EU has already rejected

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/sturgeons-secessionist-fantasy-rejected-europe-ask-theresa-may/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    nunu said:

    Andrew said:

    nunu said:


    How can she be 4% ahead in Georgia but only 5% ahead in Virginia? Doesn't sound right.

    Say the true picture is Clinton+7 nationally, that would imply around something like GA -2, VA +9. Not inconsistent with these state polls given the sample size.

    I'm still dubious Clinton can take Georgia tbh, although hopeful (since it'd give my Texas longshot bet a chance!).
    Well a Louisiana poll showed her on 20% with white voters, if that is similar outside of Atlanta suburbs she has no chance.
    Louisiana is quite different to GA, and both are different to the Rustbelt. LA is the Old South, while GA is the New South.

    The South is not shedding jobs in steel and cars like the Rustbelt, and is doing well in the growing industries. It is not the fertile place for Trumpism that Ohio or Indiana are.

    I think Trump will overperform in trans-Appalachia, but do worse than recent Republicans in the South.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    weejonnie said:

    from NBC

    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/republican-lead-two-early-voting-states-will-be-tested-n671396

    Florida is well within MoE compared to 2012 - but NC looks good for the Democrats.

    actually that Florida is relatively ok for the Dems

    https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/790523251084627968
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,048
    Off-topic:

    One for iSam, if he's lurking:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37750115
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,779

    Dadge said:

    TOPPING said:

    TGOHF said:


    Let them all build more runways..


    On Brexit some interesting trade tariff figures here...

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/eu-mad-start-trade-war-britain-heres/

    "Germany, not surprisingly, would be the biggest net loser: its exporters would pay £3.4 billion in tariffs, compared with the £0.9 billion worth of tariffs paid by UK exporters selling to Germany. France, too, would be a big loser, not least due to the higher tariffs allowed for agricultural goods under MFN rules. French exporters to the UK would pay £1.4 billion in tariffs, compared with £700 million paid by UK exporters to France."

    Well one company I know currently imports stuff to UK, processes it and sells it across EU with a very considerable margin. It can easily switch manufacturing to continent. If it does so the UK will get nice high tariffs on the small proportion that is sold in the UK. But the UK loses out overall - especially the workers.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen.
    Regardless of the import of intermediates, Brexiers think that the UK is the only country allowed to act with its heart over its head. Whilst we have accepted that we will be paying some kind of price for Brexit, our negotiating position is likely to be predicated upon the idea that the EU will choose to pay no kind of price whatsoever.

    Now, if I was the head of one of the EU27 I would seek to minimise economic damage, but it's not something that should be counted upon when set against the undoubted enthusiasm of key EU players to keep the EU project on track. At, ahem, any price.
    I don't think the EU27 believe that there will be very much economic damage for the EU from Brexit. A lot of things that Britain gets from Europe we can't get from anywhere else - in the short term at least, whilst there aren't that many things they rely on sourcing from the UK. And even if these things aren't 100% true, politically they might as well be, as far as the EU27 are concerned. And the transition will be relatively cheap and painless for them - they're used to dealing with non-EU countries.

    But the short-term economic damage to the UK will be considerable, not least from the costs of converting to dealing with every other country on a new footing.
    err what critical items will we struggle to get from elsewhere ?
    Of course Airbus won't have any difficulty sourcing wings or engines from outside the UK.....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,053
    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and May run for Governor or the Senate in 2018

    So essentially if Trump runs the table, pulls a royal flush and gets six numbers up on lotto, then he wins .... who knew ?!?

    Cubans now make up only 30% of Floridan Hispanics and the younger demographic of the former are trending Democrat.

    A spike in WWC for Trump will add at most 1.5 points to Trump. Not nearly enough to outweigh the combined women, college educated white and Hispanic increase.
    If Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin he wins and holds the Romney states he wins 285 to 251 for Hillary even if Hillary wins Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Florida and Virginia yes. Even if Hillary won North Carolina too Trump would still win 270 to 266 if he swept the Midwest and Rustbelt.
    http://www.270towin.com/

    As Brexit proved many white working class voters who have never voted before came out to vote for a platform very similar to Trump and with African American turnout down with no Obama to vote for the Midwest and Pennsylvania could well be Trump's strongest region. Though as I said I would not rule out Trump winning in Florida or Nevada either, 30% of the Hispanic vote is still a fair proportion of potential Trump voters in Florida and Nevada also has a significant Trump presence of hotels, he is a big employer there. Of course the odds still favour Hillary but in my view it is a mistake to completely rule out Trump
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Mike Lillis and Rafael Bernal of "TheHill" on Hispanic attitudes to the POTUS race ?

    http://thehill.com/latino/302444-election-day-holds-high-stakes-for-hispanics
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,851

    Sean_F said:

    Mary Whitehouse was campaigning for the Miller's Tale to be removed from school curricula when I was a lad.

    To be fair, she had a point.
    The Miller's Tale is utter filth, but very funny.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,053
    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and may run for Governor or the Senate in 2018
    Nah Bush vs. Michelle. Dems in control for another 8 years.
    Kaine will be Dem nominee in 2024 almost certainly as VP, he will still only be 66. Michelle has not even been elected to office and I think even Americans may baulk at the wife of a former president succeeding a wife of a former president, the grandson and nephew of a president is not quite as bad. George P Bush is half Mexican and shares more of his father's policies than his uncle's while more of the latter's charisma
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4ayKHP0C4
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and May run for Governor or the Senate in 2018

    So essentially if Trump runs the table, pulls a royal flush and gets six numbers up on lotto, then he wins .... who knew ?!?

    Cubans now make up only 30% of Floridan Hispanics and the younger demographic of the former are trending Democrat.

    A spike in WWC for Trump will add at most 1.5 points to Trump. Not nearly enough to outweigh the combined women, college educated white and Hispanic increase.
    If Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin he wins and holds the Romney states he wins 285 to 251 for Hillary even if Hillary wins Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Florida and Virginia yes. Even if Hillary won North Carolina too Trump would still win 270 to 266 if he swept the Midwest and Rustbelt.
    http://www.270towin.com/

    As Brexit proved many white working class voters who have never voted before came out to vote for a platform very similar to Trump and with African American turnout down with no Obama to vote for the Midwest and Pennsylvania could well be Trump's strongest region. Though as I said I would not rule out Trump winning in Florida or Nevada either, 30% of the Hispanic vote is still a fair proportion of potential Trump voters in Florida and Nevada also has a significant Trump presence of hotels, he is a big employer there. Of course the odds still favour Hillary but in my view it is a mistake to completely rule out Trump
    he is really down in the last 3 states you mentioned and isnt retaining the romney states.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,053
    edited October 2016
    619 said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and may run for Governor or the Senate in 2018
    noooo. Its about WWC with no college degree vs women, hispanics, college educated whites, african american and the young.

    Trumps one demo is outnumbered.

    It is all relative to 2012, WWC more enthusiastic about Trump than Romney, women more enthusiastic for Hillary than Obama, men dislike Hillary more than Obama, Hispanics dislike Trump as much as Romney, college educated whites preferred Romney to Trump and may vote Hillary, African Americans and the young are much less enthusiastic about Hillary than Obama. It all depends on who turns out and where
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,273
    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and May run for Governor or the Senate in 2018

    So essentially if Trump runs the table, pulls a royal flush and gets six numbers up on lotto, then he wins .... who knew ?!?

    Cubans now make up only 30% of Floridan Hispanics and the younger demographic of the former are trending Democrat.

    A spike in WWC for Trump will add at most 1.5 points to Trump. Not nearly enough to outweigh the combined women, college educated white and Hispanic increase.
    If Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin he wins and holds the Romney states he wins 285 to 251 for Hillary even if Hillary wins Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Florida and Virginia yes. Even if Hillary won North Carolina too Trump would still win 270 to 266 if he swept the Midwest and Rustbelt.
    http://www.270towin.com/

    As Brexit proved many white working class voters who have never voted before came out to vote for a platform very similar to Trump and with African American turnout down with no Obama to vote for the Midwest and Pennsylvania could well be Trump's strongest region. Though as I said I would not rule out Trump winning in Florida or Nevada either, 30% of the Hispanic vote is still a fair proportion of potential Trump voters in Florida and Nevada also has a significant Trump presence of hotels, he is a big employer there. Of course the odds still favour Hillary but in my view it is a mistake to completely rule out Trump
    Don't buy it myself. Trump is so utterly defeated. This will be a historic landslide. This is not Brexit. But I guess we'll know in two weeks.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,273
    HYUFD said:

    619 said:

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    619 said:

    If this is true, Then Trump is even more screwed than i thought

    https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/790598952617963520

    Hispanics certainly are going to build a wall for Donald Trump. It's a wall against his ambition to be President.
    Does that mean almost double or 100x?
    Hispanic registration has been driven by related issues - Historic GOP anti-immigration policies, the rise of Trump, the growth of Spanish speaking media and extensive out-reach by the Democrats.

    Bush would not have won the White House twice without them and within a few short years they have lost a critical demographic that will severely handicap their ability to win POTUS in the near future.

    As New Mexico went, so has Nevada, Colorado and Florida and likely in 12 will Arizona. Medium term Texas will become a swing state too.
    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and may run for Governor or the Senate in 2018
    noooo. Its about WWC with no college degree vs women, hispanics, college educated whites, african american and the young.

    Trumps one demo is outnumbered.

    It is all relative to 2012, WWC more enthusiastic about Trump than Romney, women more enthusiastic for Hillary than Obama, men dislike Hillary more than Obama, Hispanics dislike Trump as much as Romney, college educated whites preferred Romney to Trump and may vote Hillary, African Americans and the young are much less enthusiastic about Hillary than Obama. It all depends on who turns out and where
    True. But there is no Trump GOTV operation.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Many thanks to all who chipped in to the explanations of musketeers. Very enlightening!

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    If Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin he wins and holds the Romney states he wins 285 to 251 for Hillary even if Hillary wins Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Florida and Virginia yes. Even if Hillary won North Carolina too Trump would still win 270 to 266 if he swept the Midwest and Rustbelt.
    http://www.270towin.com/

    As Brexit proved many white working class voters who have never voted before came out to vote for a platform very similar to Trump and with African American turnout down with no Obama to vote for the Midwest and Pennsylvania could well be Trump's strongest region. Though as I said I would not rule out Trump winning in Florida or Nevada either, 30% of the Hispanic vote is still a fair proportion of potential Trump voters in Florida and Nevada also has a significant Trump presence of hotels, he is a big employer there. Of course the odds still favour Hillary but in my view it is a mistake to completely rule out Trump

    You really are living in Trump La-La-Land ....

    If Trump was competitive in Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin he'd be stuffing those states with Trump rallies, surrogates, field offices and cash .... and yet ....

    All the substantive polling of Hispanic only voters show Trump polling around 15% compared to Romney's 27%.

    Trump is opting for the narrow window of Romney 12 and FOP and he's tanking.

    If WWC were so hugely enthused by Trump why are we not seeing the numbers in early voting. Where is the huge spike as they flock to the polls for Donald ?!?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,851

    HYUFD said:

    JackW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump could lose all those states except maybe Arizona and Texas and still win if he sweeps the Upper Mid West and Rustbelt and the border states. He remains competitive in Florida and Nevada though and in the former many Latinos are Cubans and like his anti Castro stance. This election is increasingly about white working class turnout versus Hispanic and there are still significantly more of the former than the latter. If Trump loses though as I have said before I think the next GOP President will be the half Hispanic George P Bush, son of Jeb, who will beat Kaine in 2024. He is already Texas Land Commissioner and May run for Governor or the Senate in 2018

    So essentially if Trump runs the table, pulls a royal flush and gets six numbers up on lotto, then he wins .... who knew ?!?

    Cubans now make up only 30% of Floridan Hispanics and the younger demographic of the former are trending Democrat.

    A spike in WWC for Trump will add at most 1.5 points to Trump. Not nearly enough to outweigh the combined women, college educated white and Hispanic increase.
    If Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin he wins and holds the Romney states he wins 285 to 251 for Hillary even if Hillary wins Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Florida and Virginia yes. Even if Hillary won North Carolina too Trump would still win 270 to 266 if he swept the Midwest and Rustbelt.
    http://www.270towin.com/

    As Brexit proved many white working class voters who have never voted before came out to vote for a platform very similar to Trump and with African American turnout down with no Obama to vote for the Midwest and Pennsylvania could well be Trump's strongest region. Though as I said I would not rule out Trump winning in Florida or Nevada either, 30% of the Hispanic vote is still a fair proportion of potential Trump voters in Florida and Nevada also has a significant Trump presence of hotels, he is a big employer there. Of course the odds still favour Hillary but in my view it is a mistake to completely rule out Trump
    Don't buy it myself. Trump is so utterly defeated. This will be a historic landslide. This is not Brexit. But I guess we'll know in two weeks.
    I don't think it will be a landslide (usually meaning a lead of 10%+). But a clear win for Clinton seems likely.
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