Don't concern yourself on that score. As long as Jezza is safe then Shadow is as good as it gets. Still the pay increase might help with her private school fees.
Do Shadow Cabinet minister get a pay rise? I thought only Leader of the Opposition did from the opposition party.
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
Shami Shadow Attorney General - what was that Theresa May said yesterday about left wing human rights lawyers. Amazing how someone who has gone from generally respected to someone who is evasive and sends her child to a private school. Hypocrisy doesn't come close
Romney won by 9 and Pence should be giving it a home town boost.
My state betting is now looking rather conservative in it's nature.
For debate watchers - the 'Neutral' Town Hall crowd is being selected by Gallup.
This poll looks like an outlier. Trump 10+
However if Trump implodes then Indiana, Georgia and South Carolina come into the mix.
Indiana and South Carolina would be states too far ! If Trump implodes or explodes, Georgia could be interesting. After all, a lot of northern migration has taken place.
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
I'll take your word for it, Doc. I think we are in the midst of a huge piss-take where lots of very "clever" people add salt to ice-cream and chocolate then laugh like drains when people in the Guardian wax lyrical about the vile concoctions.
"Asia Americans strongly oppose Muslims from entering the U.S (page 28) Asian Americans oppose an anti-Muslim ban by more than a 3-1 margin and all national origin groups are more likely to oppose than favor such a ban "
Knowing religious tensions in asia between muslims and non-muslims I think the above is definitely incorrect.
"Asian-American" means people of East Asian background; Chinese, Japanese and Korean. Not cultures that have had much friction with Islam, and the whole talk of religious/racial immigration screening brings back memories of the Chinese Exclusion Act and the internment of the Japanese-Americans in WW2.
They include in the survey all of those from asia, not just east asia.
And the east asians are even more anti-muslim, I speak from personal experience. Though religious tensions are not as high as in India, islam still has a very bad reputation there.
Sky news here in Majorca running news on UKIP... ferrets in the sack are all fighting one another politically and literally and Banks threatening to leave and Hamilton coming in for particular criticism..
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Sky news here in Majorca running news on UKIP... ferrets in the sack are all fighting one another politically and literally and Banks threatening to leave and Hamilton coming in for particular criticism..
Hamilton sounded very vindictive on the radio today. Time the disbanded
If Don Brind predicts peace we should best assume that punch-ups will break out within Labour very soon....surely they won't let themselves be upstaged by UKIP (again)?
At what point does Diane Abbott get promoted to leader of the opposition?
8 May 2020
Well that would resolve the "Labour has never voted for a female leader" issue.
Apart from joking, Abbott has been rising quietly through the ranks for some years now. Under more normal times I wouldn't rule it out, but these are not normal times.
The NEC situation has calmed a lot of nerves. Corbyn is going to find it very difficult to change things. That buys the moderates time, as does the fact that May does seem to be genuinely fixed on holding out until 2020. My reading of it is that Corbyn has two years to improve the party's fortunes or he will face another leadership challenge that he is likely to lose. Put another way, the Labour left has two years to find a unity candidate. I think it may be Lisa Nandy.
Everyday that passes more Pro-Corbyn members become eligible to vote for a leadership campaign and fewer Anti-Corbyn members remain Labour members.
Since Corbyn won by 59% and then 62%, in 2 years that may be up to 70%.
I have missed quite a few buses in my life and I recognize when someone has missed it. Time has run out for those who want to oust Corbyn.
Not accurate. Had Corbyn faced a single competitor in 2015 he would have polled above 62% - probably circa 65% against Burnham and 67/68% against Cooper.
If Don Brind predicts peace we should best assume that punch-ups will break out within Labour very soon....surely they won't let themselves be upstaged by UKIP (again)?
If Don Brind predicts peace we should best assume that punch-ups will break out within Labour very soon....surely they won't let themselves be upstaged by UKIP (again)?
This will have to be quick because Labour dont matter any more. Don Brind, understandably doesnt get what The Left are at. For a full idea of the Left Leadership thinking, consult The AWL site - essentially a "Mass" Revolutionary Party. The left followers just want to have fun, as long as its noisy & colourful they dont mind. The Left are in charge & they dont care what The Centrists do, Faux Unity suits them for now but splits would suit as well. Defections by MPs, a Formal Split, members leaving en masse, The Labour vote halving, they dont give a damn. The Left are after quality not quantity, a smaller, Redder Labour is what they want. The Centrists have zero leverage, there is nothing they can threaten The Left with. Whether the PLP majority give in or fight makes little difference in the end, from their point of view. For loyal Labour voters this must all be very tiresome, even painful, they have some decisions to make.
Out of curiosity, on what do you base this analysis of this thing you call the Left with a capital L? I assume you are a current or recent member of it? Speaking personally, I belong to a small club, nothing to do with politics, and I can't even work out who will vote for who for next year's committe.
IDS 2001 to 2003. He was worse than Corbyn failing to hold Blair to account over Iraq.
Snap!
+1 they were divided, mostly invisible, the few ideas they had were off the scale, and on the biggest most controversial issue of the day (and decade) almost all of them backed the government. Corbyn is running them close but IDS is still ahead, pending developments....
Question: what do Diane Abbott and Shami Chakrabarti have in common? Answer: they both send their children to private schools while opposing grammar schools.
Just out of interest, does anyone know why this reshuffle in the shadow cabinet has been brought about? I do not recall it being mentioned or signalled in advance and am not sure why it was needed.
Just out of interest, does anyone know why this reshuffle in the shadow cabinet has been brought about? I do not recall it being mentioned or signalled in advance and am not sure why it was needed.
Corbyn's in a strong position post re-election to do whatever he wants (like make Diane Abbot Shadow Home Sec, YOLO) and needs to replenish numbers on his front bench after resignations.
Just out of interest, does anyone know why this reshuffle in the shadow cabinet has been brought about? I do not recall it being mentioned or signalled in advance and am not sure why it was needed.
Hmm.
Well Andy Burnham was out since he is now a candidate for Manchester. The Whips office needed to come under control. The MP's who surrendered to Corbyn need to be accommodated. The MP's who stayed loyal to Corbyn need to be rewarded.
Those are 4 reasons.
More interestingly is the shift towards a Corbyn-Brownite alliance.
Just out of interest, does anyone know why this reshuffle in the shadow cabinet has been brought about? I do not recall it being mentioned or signalled in advance and am not sure why it was needed.
Hmm.
Well Andy Burnham was out since he is now a candidate for Manchester. The Whips office needed to come under control. The MP's who surrendered to Corbyn need to be accommodated. The MP's who stayed loyal to Corbyn need to be rewarded.
Those are 4 reasons.
More interestingly is the shift towards a Corbyn-Brownite alliance.
Uniting two bands who never stood the chance of getting a number 1 record.
Labour MP: "Diane Abbott is now in charge of our response to security, terror and immigration. Do they want anyone to vote for us again?"
The 2020 Labour manifesto on "security, terror and immigration":
Security: A Tory construct, exposed as unnecessary in these more enlightened times. Forces to be disarmed, money spent on deploying crack teams of human rights lawyers to sue the US and Israel at every conceivable opportunity.
Terror: A valid critique of racism, imperialism and xenophobia. Those killed and maimed victims of evil British state, for having provoked the uprising against it.
Immigration: Complete open borders, entirely consistent with our view of human rights, universalism and essentially defunct nature of the nation state. All opposition = bigoted, racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc, etc.
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
chocolate started with chilli in it in South America
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
chocolate started with chilli in it in South America
I'm glad they ironed out that glitch in the beta testing.
Diane Abbott as shadow home secretary is beyond parody.
Lets be honest, he really doesnt care about reaching out beyond his core vote. Mind you, with Diane Abbott as shadow home Secretary some of his core vote must be getting tetchy.
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
chocolate started with chilli in it in South America
I returned from a trip to New Mexico a few years ago with Chilli Pecan cookies, they didn't taste bad at all.
@JBickertonUK: If Diane Abbott as shadow home sec is confirmed May could waterboard a puppy live on Sky News and still win in 2020 #LabourReshuffle
Well, quite Mr. Eagles. That is why I am struggling to to see Labour appoint that deranged, racist and hypocritical old bat as their Home Affairs person.
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
chocolate started with chilli in it in South America
I returned from a trip to New Mexico a few years ago with Chilli Pecan cookies, they didn't taste bad at all.
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
chocolate started with chilli in it in South America
I'm glad they ironed out that glitch in the beta testing.
Reminds me of that scene in Life of Brian, when Stan says he wants to be a woman.
As Cardiff Central is being wiped off the map, Jo Stevens may find it pretty useful to be Shadow Welsh Secretary.
The number of seats is way fewer than the number of players when the Welsh Labour MPs play musical chairs for 2020.
She'd be in pretty much a straight knockout between her and the current Cardiff South and Penarth MP, Stephen Doughty, for the new (rock solid Labour by projection) seat of Cardiff East. The loser probably gets a shot I guess at the new Vale of Glamorgan East which is very marginal. Would suggest Mr Doughty buys an A-Z of Barry, Dinas Powys, and the (deeply blue) villages of the Vale!
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
Given Lewis' support for Trident and Angela Rayner's support for immigration controls, I can't see either being considered as alternative leaders to Corbyn this side of the general election
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
When the reshuffle is finished (however long that takes this time) it would be interesting to know what proportion of the entire shadow cabinet are London MPs. We now know that the shadows to the PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are all from North London, and three of the four represent immediately adjacent Parliamentary constituencies.
Others more learned than I have pointed out, politely, that at least part of the reason for this is that so many MPs from outside of London refuse to serve the leadership - but this only leads one to ask why this should be the case. Could it - just possibly - be that Labour is morphing into a narrow sect which reflects the world view of, and is answerable principally to, a few hundred thousand radical left-liberals and Marxists who are disproportionately concentrated in inner London and some of the university towns?
Herself has just come home. She has been shopping, including a visit to Waitrose. When did it become OK to add salt to chocolate, will someone please tell me?
Not sure, but salted caramel ice-cream is vile.
They've started adding chili pepper or cayenne too. Vile. Worse still, bacon chocolate. How to ruin two wonders of the culinary world in one go.
chocolate started with chilli in it in South America
I returned from a trip to New Mexico a few years ago with Chilli Pecan cookies, they didn't taste bad at all.
Avast, Cap'n Doc! Chile Pecan Cookies, what ever they are, be damned. I was talking about chocolate with salt and from bloody Waitrose not sodding New Mexico. I am a tolerant man as things go but there are limits.
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
When the reshuffle is finished (however long that takes this time) it would be interesting to know what proportion of the entire shadow cabinet are London MPs. We now know that the shadows to the PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are all from North London, and three of the four represent immediately adjacent Parliamentary constituencies.
Others more learned than I have pointed out, politely, that at least part of the reason for this is that so many MPs from outside of London refuse to serve the leadership - but this only leads one to ask why this should be the case. Could it - just possibly - be that Labour is morphing into a narrow sect which reflects the world view of, and is answerable principally to, a few hundred thousand radical left-liberals and Marxists who are disproportionately concentrated in inner London and some of the university towns?
Didn't London vote for Owen whatshisname and the provinces for Jezza?
"After handing Dawn Butler the shadow minister for black and minority ethnic communities portfolio, Jeremy Corbyn said: “I am very proud that the Labour party now has five MPs in our shadow cabinet from the BAME community - the highest number ever in any cabinet or shadow cabinet.”
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
When the reshuffle is finished (however long that takes this time) it would be interesting to know what proportion of the entire shadow cabinet are London MPs. We now know that the shadows to the PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are all from North London, and three of the four represent immediately adjacent Parliamentary constituencies.
Others more learned than I have pointed out, politely, that at least part of the reason for this is that so many MPs from outside of London refuse to serve the leadership - but this only leads one to ask why this should be the case. Could it - just possibly - be that Labour is morphing into a narrow sect which reflects the world view of, and is answerable principally to, a few hundred thousand radical left-liberals and Marxists who are disproportionately concentrated in inner London and some of the university towns?
Didn't London vote for Owen whatshisname and the provinces for Jezza?
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
When the reshuffle is finished (however long that takes this time) it would be interesting to know what proportion of the entire shadow cabinet are London MPs. We now know that the shadows to the PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are all from North London, and three of the four represent immediately adjacent Parliamentary constituencies.
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
Unlike you, I remain unconvinced that London automatically equals elite.
((Dan Hodges)))✔ @DPJHodges Whatever people think of Diane Abbott, she's displayed greater consistency over 30 years than the previous incumbent managed over 30 days.
Sarah Champion is an excellent promotion (to women and equalities) - one of the most talented of the new intake.
The make of Corbyn's left wing London centric elite plays entirely into Theresa May's description yesterday and the idea of Abbott as shadow home secretary is just perverse. Labour is lost as the Country moves to the new consensus and accepts Brexit.
When the reshuffle is finished (however long that takes this time) it would be interesting to know what proportion of the entire shadow cabinet are London MPs. We now know that the shadows to the PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are all from North London, and three of the four represent immediately adjacent Parliamentary constituencies.
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PS Sorry, thought you ref was to the salty chocolate conversation.
And the east asians are even more anti-muslim, I speak from personal experience.
Though religious tensions are not as high as in India, islam still has a very bad reputation there.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/784084347813031937
London heartlands.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682740/Sir-Cliff-Richard-sue-BBC-police-police-raid.html
Apart from joking, Abbott has been rising quietly through the ranks for some years now.
Under more normal times I wouldn't rule it out, but these are not normal times.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/784085503431802882
"This place is not big enough for both of us" tirade.
Corbyn is bringing back the Brown team.
Reminds me of that scene in Life of Brian, when Stan says he wants to be a woman.
Well Andy Burnham was out since he is now a candidate for Manchester.
The Whips office needed to come under control.
The MP's who surrendered to Corbyn need to be accommodated.
The MP's who stayed loyal to Corbyn need to be rewarded.
Those are 4 reasons.
More interestingly is the shift towards a Corbyn-Brownite alliance.
The number of seats is way fewer than the number of players when the Welsh Labour MPs play musical chairs for 2020.
Electoral non-aspiration at its finest.
Security: A Tory construct, exposed as unnecessary in these more enlightened times. Forces to be disarmed, money spent on deploying crack teams of human rights lawyers to sue the US and Israel at every conceivable opportunity.
Terror: A valid critique of racism, imperialism and xenophobia. Those killed and maimed victims of evil British state, for having provoked the uprising against it.
Immigration: Complete open borders, entirely consistent with our view of human rights, universalism and essentially defunct nature of the nation state. All opposition = bigoted, racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc, etc.
Vote Labour
When did clowns change from being fun to being scary?
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/oct/05/clown-sightings-south-carolina-alabama
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/jeremy-corbyn-appoints-diane-abbott-and-shami-chakrabarti-in-sha1/
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-06/clown-on-a-mobility-scooter-seen-gliding-through-sheffield/
Others more learned than I have pointed out, politely, that at least part of the reason for this is that so many MPs from outside of London refuse to serve the leadership - but this only leads one to ask why this should be the case. Could it - just possibly - be that Labour is morphing into a narrow sect which reflects the world view of, and is answerable principally to, a few hundred thousand radical left-liberals and Marxists who are disproportionately concentrated in inner London and some of the university towns?
Belike, else.
So Corbyn is shuffling is Cabinet.
Again.
Dawn Butler – Shadow Minister for Minority Ethnic Communities
For those who aren't familiar, she had super dodgy expenses and previously faked a letter from Obama.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/oct/06/prevent-programme-should-be-reviewed-and-overhauled-says-terror-law-watchdog-politics-live
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/24/labour-members-exit-poll-corbyn-wins-all-except-yo/
oops.
((Dan Hodges)))✔ @DPJHodges
Whatever people think of Diane Abbott, she's displayed greater consistency over 30 years than the previous incumbent managed over 30 days.
Careful, you'll have the site's Clinton rampettes on your case.
Who knew ?!?!?
Has it really come to this.