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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,104
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    YouGov
    59% of people back Conservative proposals to make firms publish how many foreign workers they employ https://t.co/yk1XCOQ0pA https://t.co/5bqjCYvuwd

    Confirms that May has read the public mood rather better than the metropolitan elite
    The Twitterati and the metropolitan elite look like the Romanovs in 1913, dancing in silver shoes as the peasants starve on the Volga.
    Sean, you are one of the 'metropolitan elite' and 'Twitterati' !
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/

    "Respondents were more likely to identify themselves as remain or leave supporters than followers of a particular party, which the researchers suggest could have a major effect on the future of British politics."
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Jobabob said:

    It was said after the referendum that the liberal left discovered they had much more in common with the libertarian right than the socially conservative economically leftwing WWC. And so it has been proved. 60% of the public want government snoopers listing how many 'foreigners' work in private companies. And the increasingly ludicrous SeanT expects us to shut up and suck it up?

    News for you: it ain't happening. Tyranny of the majority.

    What a lot of bollox. When Labour win a general election people who voted Conservative have to suck it up, sure they can bitch and moan, they can campaign for change or whatever, but the reality is power for the period of government is with the Labour party and they can do more or less what they want. So it is now with May's Conservatives.
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    Indigo said:

    SeanT said:

    @JamesCrisp6: MEP followed Woolfe outside EU Parl room in Stras and punched him outside chamber. Woolfe apparently collapsed in front of ITV cameras

    That does alter it somewhat. They've got it on TV?? Gruesome. Then it may destroy the party. Horrific.
    I don't think they have the altercation. They are now showing woolfe collapsed.
    He is holding his briefcase and his coat, hardly in the middle of a dustup, he was hit unexpectedly from the look of the photo.
    Or he was hit, got a brain injury, walked it off and then collapsed due to the aftereffects of the injury.
    Just saw a tweet saying it's life threatening...
    Bleeding on the brain generally is. Hope he makes a full and swift recovery.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,436
    Indigo said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Jesus. Just accidentally saw the photo on Twitter. Poleaxed.

    That's surely a murder charge, if the poor man doesn't recover.

    As a member of the military (if it is what is alleged, which is by no means clear), this man should have known he could use lethal force even if unarmed.
    Members of the military are usually only able to use lethal force if they have a weapon in their hand.

    As a Royal Marine commando (looking at that ludicrous photo still of him with his green beret on), he might have got slightly more unarmed combat training.
    He was in the Combat Engineers apparently.
    Wearing his green beret (which he did still have to earn) in what looks like the EU parliament is the height of dickdom.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,034
    TonyE said:

    welshowl said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    YouGov
    59% of people back Conservative proposals to make firms publish how many foreign workers they employ https://t.co/yk1XCOQ0pA https://t.co/5bqjCYvuwd

    Hmm this ain't smart in my view. Not with the GBP on this one.

    a) We are going to need immigration (just in a more controlled way please, more engineers less 18yr old dishwashers so to speak).

    b) It's way too open to misinterpretation. A translation agency in Kensington is probably going to have a huge number of foreigners compared to a metal basher in a side street in rural Cornwall, that's not a "bad" thing per se, but it might be made to look like it. Individual company numbers and make up, aren't really relevant to the overall picture which is the source of the legitimate debate.

    c) Doesn't feel right at all - so probably isn't.
    A more sensible way to look at it might be to assess how many position have to be filled from abroad after failing to be filled when advertised in the UK.
    My concern with that is that that exact rule has acted as a salary glass ceiling for most of the IT industry for the past 10 years.....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,415

    NEW THREAD

    Really?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Ishmael_X said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow this is looking very serious. Could be GBH or the Belgian equivalent.

    Could be murder if it goes badly.
    Presumably MEPs have some sort of immunity. Would a British MEP be charged in a Belgian or British court?

    Just checked this out. It would require a vote of the European Parliament to remove the MEP's immunity:

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=en&type=IM-PRESS&reference=20070906STO10162
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Just from this board that looks true. Whether anything happens I suspect depends on Tory remainers splitting from Tory leavers. Labour is already split enough for that not to be needed.

    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/

    "Respondents were more likely to identify themselves as remain or leave supporters than followers of a particular party, which the researchers suggest could have a major effect on the future of British politics."

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Indigo said:

    SeanT said:

    I probably agree. It's just this shrill liberal wankfest that irritates, even angers me. They haven't got a clue how to bring down migration, and satisfy the voters. Maybe they intend to ignore voters. Ignore elections? Wait for the voters to finally snap and elect proper Fascists? I dunno.

    Of course they want to ignore the voters, that is what all these idiotic marches through London for a second referendum was about. The metropolitan upper middle class feel they are morally and intellectually superior to the riff-raff that dared to come out of their council estates for the first time in years and vote to leave.

    They went on shrilly in here and in other places yesterday about putting yellow stars of foreign workers, but they would be more than happy to put yellow stars on council estate dwellers to tell the polling booths to only count them as half a vote.

    Is the same disgraceful approach as "you voted for BrExit, you pay for it/own it", which is like saying "you voted for Labour and they won so you can pay all the taxes". For these people there is no such thing as society just their over active self-regard.

    Quite, enormous inflammatory twaddle here.
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    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/ This has to be the most interesting Brexit study yet. Really fascinating stuff. ( Via Faisal Islam on Twitter )
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    PlatoSaid said:

    YouGov
    59% of people back Conservative proposals to make firms publish how many foreign workers they employ https://t.co/yk1XCOQ0pA https://t.co/5bqjCYvuwd

    It cannot be long before people in jail get indignant and say they are only a murderer, but not a member of the liberal, metropolitan elite. :smiley:
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Pulpstar said:
    I wonder if he is a supporter of the death penalty.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    felix said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    YouGov
    59% of people back Conservative proposals to make firms publish how many foreign workers they employ https://t.co/yk1XCOQ0pA https://t.co/5bqjCYvuwd

    That poll is quite extraordinary and shows up very starkly the disconnect between the 'chatterers' and the general public across all the parties and almost every age range. I think the presentation by Rudd was very poor but she and May are clearly on the mon ey with the public on this one.
    Their analysis is; their solution isn't.
    So the US is wrong to publish the job title, company, location and nationality of every foreigner with a green card?
    Yes, I would say so.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    SeanT said:

    felix said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    YouGov
    59% of people back Conservative proposals to make firms publish how many foreign workers they employ https://t.co/yk1XCOQ0pA https://t.co/5bqjCYvuwd

    That poll is quite extraordinary and shows up very starkly the disconnect between the 'chatterers' and the general public across all the parties and almost every age range. I think the presentation by Rudd was very poor but she and May are clearly on the mon ey with the public on this one.
    Their analysis is; their solution isn't.
    Rudd has, of course, rowed back on this policy anyway
    Which says all that's needed.
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