Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
I'd imagine that they show the shiny new ones to the bankers and investors that they need to keep sweet and then use the North to "sweat the assets"
The trove of roughly 200 pages of records made public Wednesday was just the latest and most convincing indication that, rather than operate as an independent organization, the Clinton Foundation leaned heavily on the State Department to expand its global reach.
But authorities are unlikely to take any action against Clinton or her staff, despite the fact that they violated a Memorandum of Understanding with the White House in which they had pledged to avoid the appearance of conflicts with the foundation.
Before any Labour people get too far onto their high horse about the latest Conservative policies on immigration, I think I should just remind them of this
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
I'd imagine that they show the shiny new ones to the bankers and investors that they need to keep sweet and then use the North to "sweat the assets"
That's a pretty accurate paraphrase of what he said (although politicians and DOT officials were also mentioned as being important to "keep sweet").
@Indigo - I can't get animated about it. The furore over the immigration pledges has more than a whiff of the Waffen SS and the EPP that we heard when Cameron created the ECR back in 2009.
The trove of roughly 200 pages of records made public Wednesday was just the latest and most convincing indication that, rather than operate as an independent organization, the Clinton Foundation leaned heavily on the State Department to expand its global reach.
But authorities are unlikely to take any action against Clinton or her staff, despite the fact that they violated a Memorandum of Understanding with the White House in which they had pledged to avoid the appearance of conflicts with the foundation.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
The "register" bit seems to have materialised from somewhere other than the speech, which only talked about tracking the numbers of people of different nationalities, much as they currently do for race, gender etc. It's probably quite reasonable to expect the company inform immigration who they are employing so that it can be matched up against what was claimed on the visa application.
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
Though he wouldn't need to, of course, because Scots are Brits too.
While I think the "British jobs for British workers" slogan stupid, it's a bit much to call it "fucking racist", particularly when your own arrangements discriminate (quite reasonably) on grounds of origin...
"The Student Awards Agency for Scotland (SAAS) will pay these fees if you meet eligibility conditions; for example, if you are a Scottish resident and/or a qualifying non-UK EC student. If you come from the Rest of the UK (RUK), universities in Scotland will charge you variable fees up to a maximum of £9,000 just like England and Wales...."
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
Incidentally, for believers in Freedom of Movement. When we are outside the EU why should the EU countries be entitled to FoM and yet non-EU countries of which we will be one should not be entitled to FoM ? What makes EU Countries special when we are not in the EU anymore ?
Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
Probably because rail usage is far higher in the SE, the trains get hammered down here. Around 70% of all rail journeys in the UK are made with London/SE operators or something ridiculous like that.
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
A trainspotter writes: *snip* Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
Probably because rail usage is far higher in the SE, the trains get hammered down here. Around 70% of all rail journeys in the UK are made with London/SE operators or something ridiculous like that.
That would explain the need for *more* trains, not the need for *newer* ones.
The ROSCO chap was quite clear as to the reason it was done: "nobody [important] cares about the trains in the North"
No, that's the Conservatives you are thinking of, remember, Cameron, renegotiation, attempts to sell a pig in a poke, back of the queue, punishment budgets, all that ?
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
Not sure that the Treasury shares it.
Make them share it?
Data protection. Need consent.
Add it to the visa terms. "By accepting this visa you agree to the treasury sharing your job and earnings data with the UK border force" or something along those lines.
A trainspotter writes: *snip* Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
Probably because rail usage is far higher in the SE, the trains get hammered down here. Around 70% of all rail journeys in the UK are made with London/SE operators or something ridiculous like that.
That would explain the need for *more* trains, not the need for *newer* ones.
The ROSCO chap was quite clear as to the reason it was done: "nobody [important] cares about the trains in the North"
A trainspotter writes: *snip* Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
Probably because rail usage is far higher in the SE, the trains get hammered down here. Around 70% of all rail journeys in the UK are made with London/SE operators or something ridiculous like that.
That would explain the need for *more* trains, not the need for *newer* ones.
The ROSCO chap was quite clear as to the reason it was done: "nobody [important] cares about the trains in the North"
@LOS_Fisher: Ukip sources claim a party MEP punched Steven Woolfe several times following a charged meeting, as MEPs angry he was considering defection
A trainspotter writes: *snip* Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
Probably because rail usage is far higher in the SE, the trains get hammered down here. Around 70% of all rail journeys in the UK are made with London/SE operators or something ridiculous like that.
That would explain the need for *more* trains, not the need for *newer* ones.
The ROSCO chap was quite clear as to the reason it was done: "nobody [important] cares about the trains in the North"
If they're not new, they've got to come from somewhere else.
The trove of roughly 200 pages of records made public Wednesday was just the latest and most convincing indication that, rather than operate as an independent organization, the Clinton Foundation leaned heavily on the State Department to expand its global reach.
But authorities are unlikely to take any action against Clinton or her staff, despite the fact that they violated a Memorandum of Understanding with the White House in which they had pledged to avoid the appearance of conflicts with the foundation.
@LOS_Fisher: Ukip sources claim a party MEP punched Steven Woolfe several times following a charged meeting, as MEPs angry he was considering defection
Careful. If Woolfe has a head injury several hours after the event, it might not end well.
A trainspotter writes: *snip* Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.
As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
Probably because rail usage is far higher in the SE, the trains get hammered down here. Around 70% of all rail journeys in the UK are made with London/SE operators or something ridiculous like that.
That would explain the need for *more* trains, not the need for *newer* ones.
The ROSCO chap was quite clear as to the reason it was done: "nobody [important] cares about the trains in the North"
Surely its more to do with the train operators?
Virgin Trains in the North (even those not going to London) seem to be pristine in my limited experience. That's surely because Virgin are paying for better stock, if other operators aren't that's surely their choice?
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
Not sure that the Treasury shares it.
Make them share it?
Data protection. Need consent.
Add it to the visa terms. "By accepting this visa you agree to the treasury sharing your job and earnings data with the UK border force" or something along those lines.
Whatever method the government uses to bring down immigration it will be rough around the edges, compared with what we have today certainly for EU citizens. Registers, tracking, data sharing...all seems, oh the irony, un-British.
But the government has been charged, seriously this time, to bring down immigration. There will be new laws..and like them, you should perhaps heed Otto's advice about sausages....
Thirdly, the EU must open up sufficient funds to finance a comprehensive migration policy. It is estimated that at least 30 billion euros are needed annually for this purpose for a number of years.
Fourthly, the EU needs common mechanisms for the protection of the borders, the decision of asylum applications develop and to resettle refugees. A single European asylum procedure would reduce the incentives for asylum tourism and restore trust between Member States.
Looks like there could be serious legal things happening with this UKIP story, so might be worth being careful with what we post.
From the Press Association, quoting a reputable source (at least in this context). How the hell do you hold a civilised contest against that backdrop, even if Woolfe's condition turns out to be better than reported. God help them if it's worse.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
Not sure that the Treasury shares it.
Make them share it?
Data protection. Need consent.
Add it to the visa terms. "By accepting this visa you agree to the treasury sharing your job and earnings data with the UK border force" or something along those lines.
Doubt that the NI database is set up to allow selective sharing
Thirdly, the EU must open up sufficient funds to finance a comprehensive migration policy. It is estimated that at least 30 billion euros are needed annually for this purpose for a number of years.
Fourthly, the EU needs common mechanisms for the protection of the borders, the decision of asylum applications develop and to resettle refugees. A single European asylum procedure would reduce the incentives for asylum tourism and restore trust between Member States.
As ever the solution is "more EU". They have a tin ear.
I think the outrage bus has gone off the rails on this issue - mixed mets intended! Sadly it sums up very neatly the failure of the liberal left here to engage with the serious issue of immigration without screaming 'racism ' at every opportunity. And I speak as a centrist Remain voter!!
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
Surely the visa will state what terms are on it and the employer will need to take a copy of the visa as proof of right to work?
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
Not sure that the Treasury shares it.
Make them share it?
Data protection. Need consent.
Add it to the visa terms. "By accepting this visa you agree to the treasury sharing your job and earnings data with the UK border force" or something along those lines.
Doubt that the NI database is set up to allow selective sharing
It should be, otherwise how did I get an automated tax letter saying I owe them money?
Thirdly, the EU must open up sufficient funds to finance a comprehensive migration policy. It is estimated that at least 30 billion euros are needed annually for this purpose for a number of years.
Fourthly, the EU needs common mechanisms for the protection of the borders, the decision of asylum applications develop and to resettle refugees. A single European asylum procedure would reduce the incentives for asylum tourism and restore trust between Member States.
As ever the solution is "more EU". They have a tin ear.
Not just that, he wants a 30bn euro per year fund, Germany only contributes 22bn euros per year in total, and we are about to stop paying, where is this money supposedly coming from ?
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
That information is available in real time to the government via the NI database.
Not sure that the Treasury shares it.
Make them share it?
Data protection. Need consent.
Add it to the visa terms. "By accepting this visa you agree to the treasury sharing your job and earnings data with the UK border force" or something along those lines.
Doubt that the NI database is set up to allow selective sharing
It should be, otherwise how did I get an automated tax letter saying I owe them money?
That's sending information to you as part of your personal communication.
It's not saying I'm going to take the files on person A, E, G, H, I, K, P and Z and send them to a third party but not share other information.
One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.
Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.
I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.
Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.
Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.
Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Unable once per year.
Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.
That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
A foreign workers register doesn't feel right, but tracking nationality along with race/gender/religion/sexuality etc. to ensure that a particular nationality isn't being discriminated against in recruitment seems OK.
I don't see why we should do any of that. Nothing there affects one's ability to work.
It affects the ability to work legally. What happens if someone arrives on your T1 visa and gets sacked at the end of the first month because they were incompetent, they then get a job flipping burgers. If the burger restaurant doesn't check with immigration, how do they know he is not meeting the conditions of his visa.
Surely the visa will state what terms are on it and the employer will need to take a copy of the visa as proof of right to work?
Currently there is no penalty for the employer if they quietly ignore the visa and employ you anyway, that is one of the things Rudd was talking about introducing yesterday to screams of outrage from the members of the "Control of Immigration" mug party.
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes 3m3 minutes ago We have a name. Looking to confirm. His office and staff not answering phones. N.B. Makes your MEP look guilty.
I am absolutely shocked by Steven Woolfe's reported injury and so hope that he recovers fully.
However surely it is the end of UKIP as a political force now that we are leaving the EU and Theresa May is following their message on control and immigration.
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Am very perturbed by the news that humans can't live beyond the age of 125.
I had been lead to believe you were 130 at least!
What gives?
Unwinnable if true.
The trove of roughly 200 pages of records made public Wednesday was just the latest and most convincing indication that, rather than operate as an independent organization, the Clinton Foundation leaned heavily on the State Department to expand its global reach.
But authorities are unlikely to take any action against Clinton or her staff, despite the fact that they violated a Memorandum of Understanding with the White House in which they had pledged to avoid the appearance of conflicts with the foundation.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-emails-show-intersection-of-clinton-foundation-state-dept.-paid-speeches/article/2603780?custom_click=rss
"The Student Awards Agency for Scotland (SAAS) will pay these fees if you meet eligibility conditions; for example, if you are a Scottish resident and/or a qualifying non-UK EC student.
If you come from the Rest of the UK (RUK), universities in Scotland will charge you variable fees up to a maximum of £9,000 just like England and Wales...."
BREAKING: Woolfe was reportedly punched by a UKIP colleague http://order-order.com/2016/10/06/steven-woolfe-collapses-european-parliament/ …
woah....
National/Florida/Miami-Dade - Latino Voters - Florida University/New Latino Voice
National - Clinton 83.2 .. Trump 10.6
Florida - Clinton 76.5 .. Trump 17.6
Miami-Dade - 71.3 .. 20.0
Note - Post debate slump for Trump. Overall running over 15 points worse than Romney. Trump cannot win Florida on these numbers.
http://latinousa.org/2016/10/05/national-post-debate-tracking-poll-latino-voters-clinton-83-support/
The ROSCO chap was quite clear as to the reason it was done: "nobody [important] cares about the trains in the North"
Blimmin' heck
There is a brand there and somebody will carry it on.
LOL
@LOS_Fisher: Ukip sources claim a party MEP punched Steven Woolfe several times following a charged meeting, as MEPs angry he was considering defection
Steven Swinford@Steven_Swinford
Steven Woolfe reportedly suffering bleeding of the brain after falling into window following punch by colleague
Virgin Trains in the North (even those not going to London) seem to be pristine in my limited experience. That's surely because Virgin are paying for better stock, if other operators aren't that's surely their choice?
But the government has been charged, seriously this time, to bring down immigration. There will be new laws..and like them, you should perhaps heed Otto's advice about sausages....
https://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article158525160/Fluechtlinge-in-der-EU-am-Ende-rechnet-sich-das.html
Thirdly, the EU must open up sufficient funds to finance a comprehensive migration policy. It is estimated that at least 30 billion euros are needed annually for this purpose for a number of years.
Fourthly, the EU needs common mechanisms for the protection of the borders, the decision of asylum applications develop and to resettle refugees. A single European asylum procedure would reduce the incentives for asylum tourism and restore trust between Member States.
https://twitter.com/PA/status/783997110999998464?lang=en-gb
Clinton 63 .. Trump 27
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/larry-hogans-approval-soars-buoyed-by-his-disavowal-of-donald-trump/2016/10/05/3e84b330-88de-11e6-b24f-a7f89eb68887_story.html
I'm told the "altercation" happened at a "clear the air" meeting Steven Woolfe held with MEPs this morning
Ukip source says Woolfe and fellow MEP decided to "take it outside" after things got heated over reports he considered defecting
Woolfe, I am told, "took off his jacket and invited him outside" - then there was the 'altercation'
It's not saying I'm going to take the files on person A, E, G, H, I, K, P and Z and send them to a third party but not share other information.
Then again ...
We have a name. Looking to confirm. His office and staff not answering phones. N.B. Makes your MEP look guilty.
I hope he makes a speedy recovery. Not sure UKIP can though.
Will Nigel Farage wind the party up in light of this I wonder?
UKIP MEP is a Health tourist I see as well
However surely it is the end of UKIP as a political force now that we are leaving the EU and Theresa May is following their message on control and immigration.
Rudd was completely wrong-footed when she was asked how many 'foreigners' worked for the home office and she didn;t know.
As the debate with Boris proved, the size of this person's gob far outweighs that of her talent.
It's also sunk my 'Can Woolfe scale the heights' thread, trivially.