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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    FF43 said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    [Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."

    Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
    So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"

    Glad we cleared that up.
    I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
    When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
    I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.

    I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
    What is your objection to Mrs May. Do you think she has been too shrill on immigration? My Facebook timeline has been full of bile but I was surprised by how reasonable the BBC was last night. May herself didn't see very shocking. I'd have preferred it if she'd reached out to migrants alredy here saying their contribution was valued whatever future policy might be but has she actually attacked immigrants? And wasn't she one of the first Tories to be openly pro-gay?
    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    She ground his idol into dust
    And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
    You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
    And you are obsessed by grammar schoolboys...
    Grammar shcool Girl (who got into Oxford....)
    See, grammar schools don't help kids, they end up in universities that are complete dumps :lol:
    Cameron and Osborne went to a "complete dump"?

    You didn't apply, by any chance did you?
    Nah. In my day you could only apply to either Oxford or Cambridge, not both, so I applied to the best university in the world, Cambridge.
    Applied. Bet you ended up in Durham.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062
    Indigo said:

    FF43 said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    [Amber Rudd] "

    Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
    So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"

    Glad we cleared that up.
    I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
    When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
    I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.

    I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
    What is your objection to Mrs May. Do you think she has been too shrill on immigration? My Facebook timeline has been full of bile but I was surprised by how reasonable the BBC was last night. May herself didn't see very shocking. I'd have preferred it if she'd reached out to migrants alredy here saying their contribution was valued whatever future policy might be but has she actually attacked immigrants? And wasn't she one of the first Tories to be openly pro-gay?
    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.
    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
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    FF43 said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    [Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."

    Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
    So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"

    Glad we cleared that up.
    I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
    When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
    I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.

    I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
    What is your objection to Mrs May. Do you think she has been too shrill on immigration? My Facebook timeline has been full of bile but I was surprised by how reasonable the BBC was last night. May herself didn't see very shocking. I'd have preferred it if she'd reached out to migrants alredy here saying their contribution was valued whatever future policy might be but has she actually attacked immigrants? And wasn't she one of the first Tories to be openly pro-gay?
    I'm doing a thread on that this weekend
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    Indigo said:

    FF43 said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    [Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."

    Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
    The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
    It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
    To be clear -

    Although in the British Isles, Guernsey is not in the EU of course and thus an example of how most of the world operate.
    Very true as a former expat that has worked under time limited work permits in 4 other countries.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    She ground his idol into dust
    And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
    You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
    Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.

    I'm a working class Northerner.
    *Howls of derisive laughter*

    You are a bloody lawyer, the son of a successful medicus and no more working class than my cat is a tiger. No wonder your aunt once labelled you as a wicked child.
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    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    She ground his idol into dust
    And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
    You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
    Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.

    I'm a working class Northerner.
    See? He/she/it has ducked the question...

    Yes, it is well known that I'm a former public schoolboy.

    All the signs have been in my thread headers, with, inter alia, their erudition, Latin, and vast knowledge of history, oh and epic amounts of modesty.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    In important news, Skyrim (and, later, Fallout 4) will be getting mods on PS4, albeit with limitations. No word on total size restriction, but there will be no custom assets. So, better than nothing, but still clearly inferior to Xbox One.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Eagles, your attempts at classical history are as well-judged as Blair's interventions in the Middle East.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    She ground his idol into dust
    And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
    You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
    Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.

    I'm a working class Northerner.
    See? He/she/it has ducked the question...

    Yes, it is well known that I'm a former public schoolboy.

    All the signs have been in my thread headers, with, inter alia, their erudition, Latin, and vast knowledge of history, oh and epic amounts of modesty.
    You missed out the well known public schoolboy trait of hating selective grammars schools despite having been to an even more selective private school. See Hunt, The Hon Tristram. ;)
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    I keep on telling you, she's a pound shop Gordon Brown

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/783686693706665984
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited October 2016

    I keep on telling you, she's a pound shop Gordon Brown

    ttps://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/783686693706665984

    As was Osborne with his social engineering, politically motivated budget wheezes, attempts to run the whole government from the Treasury and micro-meddling with the economy, but you seem to like him just fine.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Re: Heathrow "independent" research

    "This latest, million-pound research was funded by the Natural Environment Research Council and alongside Cambridge, experts from the universities of Manchester and Hertfordshire, Imperial College London, CERC Limited and the National Physics lab were involved.
    Heathrow helped them put the sensors up and British Airways provided some flight data, but neither handed over any money or were involved in the actual work."

    Independent?

    Sounds pretty independent. How else would you locate sensors on an airport? How else would you get flight data?
    1. Natural Environment Research Council are "supported mainly by the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy (BEIS)". So funded by Govt and they then produce research with friendly help from the two companies that want a good result.
    2. The assumptions on diesil engines in 2025+ look as reliable as a german car manufacturers compliance with EU emission standards.

    You can't really look through funding like that. NERC commissions on an arms length basis.

    It's like saying that when the Arts Council gives me money it's Theresa herself making the decision...
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    In important news, Skyrim (and, later, Fallout 4) will be getting mods on PS4, albeit with limitations. No word on total size restriction, but there will be no custom assets. So, better than nothing, but still clearly inferior to Xbox One.

    There are some really good mods for Skyrim that transform the game play and raise it to a whole new, and much harder, level. I particularly recommend the mod which introduces the effects of weather and starvation and the one which gives actual weight to money and other possessions.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Indigo said:



    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.

    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    That is actually exactly what the government has said

    Paraphrasing: We'd like to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain; it's intrinsically linked to securing the rights of British citizens living in the EU. We are sure that it will be very easy to deal with if the EU is prepared to approach things sensibly and constructively.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Llama, those survival type mods are precisely the type of thing that would interest me (I'm not interested in most of them, frankly). I'm not sure whether they'd be permitted, or if some fiddling would be needed with the interface so there's no new custom assets.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Eli Stokols of "Politico" looks at Trump's "Mountain West" strategy to pull a path to 270 via holding Arizona and flipping Colorado and Nevada as his Pennsylvania operation falls short :

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-western-nevada-arizona-229219
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Charles said:

    Indigo said:



    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.

    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    That is actually exactly what the government has said

    Paraphrasing: We'd like to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain; it's intrinsically linked to securing the rights of British citizens living in the EU. We are sure that it will be very easy to deal with if the EU is prepared to approach things sensibly and constructively.
    But that isnt good enough for the outrage bus people.

    We have to remember there are a significant number of people that will do anything to get BrExit to fail, one way to do that is to drive the government into giving away negotiating cards through political necessity, and then pointing and laughing when the negotiation blows up.

    This is stupid of course because after A50 is activated, we are leaving, all f*cking up the negotiation does is ensure we leave with a bad deal, or direct to WTO terms, it won't prevent us leaving.

    There seems to be this perception that after two years of negotiation, some of it probably quite hard and acrimonious, we can tell the EU that we didn't really mean it and carry on as before, I think they might be disappointed.
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    Indigo said:

    What is your objection to Mrs May. Do you think she has been too shrill on immigration? My Facebook timeline has been full of bile but I was surprised by how reasonable the BBC was last night. May herself didn't see very shocking. I'd have preferred it if she'd reached out to migrants alredy here saying their contribution was valued whatever future policy might be but has she actually attacked immigrants? And wasn't she one of the first Tories to be openly pro-gay?

    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.
    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    They have said that. David Davis (Secretary of State for Brexit) said that and said he wanted it to be one of the first things agreed in negotiations so that people have stability and confidence.
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    Mr. Eagles, your attempts at classical history are as well-judged as Blair's interventions in the Middle East.

    Nonsense. Classical history is well known to be your Achilles' elbow.
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    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    She ground his idol into dust
    And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
    You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
    And you are obsessed by grammar schoolboys...
    Grammar shcool Girl (who got into Oxford....)
    See, grammar schools don't help kids, they end up in universities that are complete dumps :lol:
    Cameron and Osborne went to a "complete dump"?

    You didn't apply, by any chance did you?
    Nah. In my day you could only apply to either Oxford or Cambridge, not both, so I applied to the best university in the world, Cambridge.
    Applied. Bet you ended up in Durham.
    Durham is amazing.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Mr. Llama, those survival type mods are precisely the type of thing that would interest me (I'm not interested in most of them, frankly). I'm not sure whether they'd be permitted, or if some fiddling would be needed with the interface so there's no new custom assets.

    Sounds like it won't allow you to use mods like Requiem, think I will stay on the PC ;)
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,445
    edited October 2016
    Indigo said:

    Charles said:

    Indigo said:



    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.

    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    That is actually exactly what the government has said

    Paraphrasing: We'd like to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain; it's intrinsically linked to securing the rights of British citizens living in the EU. We are sure that it will be very easy to deal with if the EU is prepared to approach things sensibly and constructively.
    But that isnt good enough for the outrage bus people.

    We have to remember there are a significant number of people that will do anything to get BrExit to fail, one way to do that is to drive the government into giving away negotiating cards through political necessity, and then pointing and laughing when the negotiation blows up.

    This is stupid of course because after A50 is activated, we are leaving, all f*cking up the negotiation does is ensure we leave with a bad deal, or direct to WTO terms, it won't prevent us leaving.

    There seems to be this perception that after two years of negotiation, some of it probably quite hard and acrimonious, we can tell the EU that we didn't really mean it and carry on as before, I think they might be disappointed.
    Wasn't La Leadsom first in the queue to say we should immediately guarantee EU citizens' rights to stay regardless of UK citizens abroad?

    Does she want Brexit to fail?

    Edit: I thought she was wrong then and said so, and think the govt's stance now is the right one.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,014
    Mr. Eagles, that's classical literature, not classical history.

    *sighs*

    Mr. Indigo, there's a clear hierarchy with PC top of the tree, Xbox One with quite a lot, and PS4 with some but nothing too fancy. Still a positive for Xbox One in the console war, of course.

    The only mods I'm especially interested in, along with more hairstyles (which seems off the agenda) are survival type thingummyjigs which *may* be possible. I'll see if they come through.

    Mind you, there's Tomb Raider next week, I still want XCOM 2 and I don't have bags of time/money, so I'll employ a Theresa May-like approach of masterly inactivity to see whether the PS4 mods look tempting before deciding whether to buy.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Arizona - Clinton 44 .. Trump 42
    Rhode Island - Clinton 52 .. Trump 32

    Emerson College - Via Political Polls Numbers Twitter.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,372
    Quite interesting overview of Labour's share in by-elections by region:

    http://labourlist.org/2016/10/luke-akehurst-revealed-the-true-picture-of-labours-results-in-council-by-elections/

    Labour doing very well in West Midlands, OK in London and SE, but down elsewhere. The vagaries of local elections make the significance of individual results obscure, but the overall averages are a bit more interesting.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,445
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    Sounds like a tattoo convention. Show us your dolphin...
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    Mr. Eagles, that's classical literature, not classical history.

    *sighs*

    Mr. Indigo, there's a clear hierarchy with PC top of the tree, Xbox One with quite a lot, and PS4 with some but nothing too fancy. Still a positive for Xbox One in the console war, of course.

    The only mods I'm especially interested in, along with more hairstyles (which seems off the agenda) are survival type thingummyjigs which *may* be possible. I'll see if they come through.

    Mind you, there's Tomb Raider next week, I still want XCOM 2 and I don't have bags of time/money, so I'll employ a Theresa May-like approach of masterly inactivity to see whether the PS4 mods look tempting before deciding whether to buy.

    That's the joke. Elbow not heel. Literature versus History.

    As an aside, poor Paris.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Good to see the Polish government have reversed the abortion ban.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    Indigo said:

    Charles said:

    Indigo said:



    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.

    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    That is actually exactly what the government has said

    Paraphrasing: We'd like to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain; it's intrinsically linked to securing the rights of British citizens living in the EU. We are sure that it will be very easy to deal with if the EU is prepared to approach things sensibly and constructively.
    But that isnt good enough for the outrage bus people.

    We have to remember there are a significant number of people that will do anything to get BrExit to fail, one way to do that is to drive the government into giving away negotiating cards through political necessity, and then pointing and laughing when the negotiation blows up.

    This is stupid of course because after A50 is activated, we are leaving, all f*cking up the negotiation does is ensure we leave with a bad deal, or direct to WTO terms, it won't prevent us leaving.

    There seems to be this perception that after two years of negotiation, some of it probably quite hard and acrimonious, we can tell the EU that we didn't really mean it and carry on as before, I think they might be disappointed.
    Wasn't La Leadsom first in the queue to say we should immediately guarantee EU citizens' rights to stay regardless of UK citizens abroad?

    Does she want Brexit to fail?

    Edit: I thought she was wrong then and said so, and think the govt's stance now is the right one.
    Nah, she's just an idiot.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    Sounds like a tattoo convention. Show us your dolphin...
    I think it will be fun: http://inkfair.london/

    Though if you wanted to see more books (some of them mine), the Chelsea Book Fair a couple of weeks later is the place to be.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TOPPING said:

    Indigo said:

    Charles said:

    Indigo said:



    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.

    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    That is actually exactly what the government has said

    Paraphrasing: We'd like to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain; it's intrinsically linked to securing the rights of British citizens living in the EU. We are sure that it will be very easy to deal with if the EU is prepared to approach things sensibly and constructively.
    But that isnt good enough for the outrage bus people.

    We have to remember there are a significant number of people that will do anything to get BrExit to fail, one way to do that is to drive the government into giving away negotiating cards through political necessity, and then pointing and laughing when the negotiation blows up.

    This is stupid of course because after A50 is activated, we are leaving, all f*cking up the negotiation does is ensure we leave with a bad deal, or direct to WTO terms, it won't prevent us leaving.

    There seems to be this perception that after two years of negotiation, some of it probably quite hard and acrimonious, we can tell the EU that we didn't really mean it and carry on as before, I think they might be disappointed.
    Wasn't La Leadsom first in the queue to say we should immediately guarantee EU citizens' rights to stay regardless of UK citizens abroad?

    Does she want Brexit to fail?

    Edit: I thought she was wrong then and said so, and think the govt's stance now is the right one.
    As OGH has said from time to time "that was then and this is now" ;) She didn't want it to fail, she was just an idiot and negotiations under her would have been a fiasco. I think its right now as well.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,793
    TOPPING said:

    Indigo said:

    Charles said:

    Indigo said:



    She would be a fool to do that and then have the EU say they are going to throw all British Nationals out, we need to appear to be on the fence to keep them honest even if the overwhelmingly likely result is as you say.

    She could just say that their right to Remain was dependent on reciprocal arrangements with other EU countries. Unless the government thinks this is one of their best cards? An ace rather than a 7.
    That is actually exactly what the government has said

    Paraphrasing: We'd like to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain; it's intrinsically linked to securing the rights of British citizens living in the EU. We are sure that it will be very easy to deal with if the EU is prepared to approach things sensibly and constructively.
    But that isnt good enough for the outrage bus people.

    We have to remember there are a significant number of people that will do anything to get BrExit to fail, one way to do that is to drive the government into giving away negotiating cards through political necessity, and then pointing and laughing when the negotiation blows up.

    This is stupid of course because after A50 is activated, we are leaving, all f*cking up the negotiation does is ensure we leave with a bad deal, or direct to WTO terms, it won't prevent us leaving.

    There seems to be this perception that after two years of negotiation, some of it probably quite hard and acrimonious, we can tell the EU that we didn't really mean it and carry on as before, I think they might be disappointed.
    Wasn't La Leadsom first in the queue to say we should immediately guarantee EU citizens' rights to stay regardless of UK citizens abroad?

    Does she want Brexit to fail?

    Edit: I thought she was wrong then and said so, and think the govt's stance now is the right one.
    Fraser Nelson in the Speccie too......clueless.....
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    ‘Liberal elite’ is anyone who has voluntarily read a book Theresa May has confirmed

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/liberal-elite-is-anyone-who-has-voluntarily-read-a-book-20161006114917
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited October 2016
    Indigo said:

    Mr. Llama, those survival type mods are precisely the type of thing that would interest me (I'm not interested in most of them, frankly). I'm not sure whether they'd be permitted, or if some fiddling would be needed with the interface so there's no new custom assets.

    Sounds like it won't allow you to use mods like Requiem, think I will stay on the PC ;)
    Indeed, Mr Indigo, the PC is the best gaming platform yet devised by man and in terms of flexibility and performance knocks all the others into a cocked hat. However, Mr. Dancer, for reasons that I still do not understand, persists with his attachment to a console.

    As Seneca said, "Errare humanum est, sed in errare perseverare diabolicum."
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,445
    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    Sounds like a tattoo convention. Show us your dolphin...
    I think it will be fun: http://inkfair.london/

    Though if you wanted to see more books (some of them mine), the Chelsea Book Fair a couple of weeks later is the place to be.
    Sounds great, both of them. Might even try to get down there.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
    I'll be there on the Friday too. Afternoon sounds like it might be better for you?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    Sounds like a tattoo convention. Show us your dolphin...
    I think it will be fun: http://inkfair.london/

    Though if you wanted to see more books (some of them mine), the Chelsea Book Fair a couple of weeks later is the place to be.
    The first picture on the venue is the room I will make my office once I make my first billion :)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    I don't see the point of faffing about with Skyrim and mods when The Witcher 3 exists. Doesn't seem like it's worth it.
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    Clearly we can't unilaterally guarantee ILTR to all existing EU residents here before a reciprocal agreement with the rEU. We'd be taken to the cleaners especially by the Spanish. The reality is EU citizens already here are a bargaining chip. We shouldn't be where we are but we are.
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    Phew

    No, Marine Le Pen did not endorse Theresa May's speech on Twitter with a handclap emoji

    People have claimed that the president of France’s National Front applauded May’s comment “if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere” on Twitter, but it was not her account

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/no-marine-le-pen-did-not-endorse-theresa-mays-speech-twitter-with-handclap-emoji?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Clearly we can't unilaterally guarantee ILTR to all existing EU residents here before a reciprocal agreement with the rEU. We'd be taken to the cleaners especially by the Spanish. The reality is EU citizens already here are a bargaining chip. We shouldn't be where we are but we are.

    I'm glad people have begun to recognise that. I remember a few pretty ill tempered arguments when Hammond and May said early on any agreement would have to be reciprocal and not unilateral.

    I'm happy for EU migrants to stay, but only on the basis of UK migrants in the EU having the same status. Residency extension might be the best solution, but I'm not sure the Spanish will be happy with the idea of getting 100,000 oldies to look after.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    Sounds like a tattoo convention. Show us your dolphin...
    I think it will be fun: http://inkfair.london/

    Though if you wanted to see more books (some of them mine), the Chelsea Book Fair a couple of weeks later is the place to be.
    The first picture on the venue is the room I will make my office once I make my first billion :)
    I'd expect nothing less!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
    I'll be there on the Friday too. Afternoon sounds like it might be better for you?
    4pm?
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    MaxPB said:

    Good to see the Polish government have reversed the abortion ban.

    Agreed.
    It appears lefty protests can be effective.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    Sounds like a tattoo convention. Show us your dolphin...
    I think it will be fun: http://inkfair.london/

    Though if you wanted to see more books (some of them mine), the Chelsea Book Fair a couple of weeks later is the place to be.
    Sounds great, both of them. Might even try to get down there.
    I can't help with the first, but free tickets are available for the second on the website!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Phew

    No, Marine Le Pen did not endorse Theresa May's speech on Twitter with a handclap emoji

    People have claimed that the president of France’s National Front applauded May’s comment “if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere” on Twitter, but it was not her account

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/no-marine-le-pen-did-not-endorse-theresa-mays-speech-twitter-with-handclap-emoji?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics

    Astonishing that the outlets that ran with the articles before basic fact checking were the Huffington post and the Independent. I look forward to the day when both go bankrupt along with buzzfeed.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,926
    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
    I'll be there on the Friday too. Afternoon sounds like it might be better for you?
    4pm?
    Perfect. At reception?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,628
    edited October 2016
    Kin hell

    @FinlayD: UKIP MEP Steven Woolfe has collapsed outside the European Parliament chamber. Paramedics looking after him, hope he's ok.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    MaxPB said:

    Good to see the Polish government have reversed the abortion ban.

    Why is that good to see?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MaxPB said:

    Clearly we can't unilaterally guarantee ILTR to all existing EU residents here before a reciprocal agreement with the rEU. We'd be taken to the cleaners especially by the Spanish. The reality is EU citizens already here are a bargaining chip. We shouldn't be where we are but we are.

    I'm glad people have begun to recognise that. I remember a few pretty ill tempered arguments when Hammond and May said early on any agreement would have to be reciprocal and not unilateral.

    I'm happy for EU migrants to stay, but only on the basis of UK migrants in the EU having the same status. Residency extension might be the best solution, but I'm not sure the Spanish will be happy with the idea of getting 100,000 oldies to look after.
    The Spanish have worked out a way of dealing with unwonted oldies - they claim their houses were built illegally and knock the houses down without compensation.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,793
    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
    I'll be there on the Friday too. Afternoon sounds like it might be better for you?
    4pm?
    Perfect. At reception?
    Will send you a PM with my cell phone.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,926

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Now that's really serious

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3822843/ISIS-declare-fatwa-cat-breeding-begin-hunt-kittens.html

    The purge will come as a surprise to many after the terrorist group deliberately posted pictures of kittens on social media in a bid to attract new breed of young fighters.

    A UN report in 2014 showed thousands of jihadists had flocked to Iraq and Syria after seeing pictures of cats posed alongside AK-47s and in the arms of masked terrorists. 15,000 fighters from 80 countries joined the fight after seeing their posts on social media.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,037
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
    I'll be there on the Friday too. Afternoon sounds like it might be better for you?
    4pm?
    Perfect. At reception?
    Will send you a PM with my cell phone.
    Cell phone?

    Since when did you become american?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MaxPB said:

    Phew

    No, Marine Le Pen did not endorse Theresa May's speech on Twitter with a handclap emoji

    People have claimed that the president of France’s National Front applauded May’s comment “if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere” on Twitter, but it was not her account

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/no-marine-le-pen-did-not-endorse-theresa-mays-speech-twitter-with-handclap-emoji?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics

    Astonishing that the outlets that ran with the articles before basic fact checking were the Huffington post and the Independent. I look forward to the day when both go bankrupt along with buzzfeed.
    You may enjoy this little Buzzfeed gem. It drew some smiles on my Facebook.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/wide-exposure?utm_term=.qsvrJ2E2W#.ijdv2bKbG
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,008
    JackW said:

    Arizona - Clinton 44 .. Trump 42
    Rhode Island - Clinton 52 .. Trump 32

    Emerson College - Via Political Polls Numbers Twitter.

    That Arizona poll looks good for Clinton.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    eek said:



    Cell phone?

    Since when did you become american?

    American wife and spends a lot of time in Southern California. You have to make allowances.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,793
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    eek said:



    Cell phone?

    Since when did you become american?

    I'm as American as Elizabeth Warren...descended from a Sioux chief's daughter.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    Phew

    No, Marine Le Pen did not endorse Theresa May's speech on Twitter with a handclap emoji

    People have claimed that the president of France’s National Front applauded May’s comment “if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere” on Twitter, but it was not her account

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/no-marine-le-pen-did-not-endorse-theresa-mays-speech-twitter-with-handclap-emoji?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics

    Astonishing that the outlets that ran with the articles before basic fact checking were the Huffington post and the Independent. I look forward to the day when both go bankrupt along with buzzfeed.
    You may enjoy this little Buzzfeed gem. It drew some smiles on my Facebook.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/wide-exposure?utm_term=.qsvrJ2E2W#.ijdv2bKbG
    Their political editor wrote that. :neutral:
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    TSE being hammered again I see for having a mind of his own.

    Better that than the sheep that simply slavishly support the Tory administration of the day – despite its lurch under May to a statist/anti-austerity/anti-free market/eurosceptic position that they once vehemently opposed...

    DYOR
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Barnesian said:

    JackW said:

    Arizona - Clinton 44 .. Trump 42
    Rhode Island - Clinton 52 .. Trump 32

    Emerson College - Via Political Polls Numbers Twitter.

    That Arizona poll looks good for Clinton.
    The AZ poll will scare Trump.

    Texas might be worth a longshot wager.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,926

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
    I think TSE would have supported The Blessed Margaret's defenestration at the hands of Hezza.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
    One suspects he would be happier if Clegg, or if he was still in parliament Sir Daniel, had jumped ship and become the Tory leader
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,926
    Jobabob said:

    TSE being hammered again I see for having a mind of his own.


    DYOR

    He has been in a terrible mood since the referendum went sour and Osborne went sent out the back door though? ;)
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Blimey, this feels surreal now

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/the-conservative-conference-was-thick-with-the-smell-of-power-la/

    In 2002, Labour met in Blackpool, the master of all it surveyed. Tensions over the impending fracas in Iraq had started to build, but aside from that, there was little doubt that the party had finally established itself as the natural party of government. Former US president made a pop star-like appearance (“Bill Clinton, Arkansas CLP,” he announced to an audience of swooning delegates – and that was just the men), Kevin Spacey in tow.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JackW said:

    Arizona - Clinton 44 .. Trump 42
    Rhode Island - Clinton 52 .. Trump 32

    Emerson College - Via Political Polls Numbers Twitter.

    Emerson are a phone only poller that doesn't call mobiles. If it they are getting the numbers right it is purely by chance.
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    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
    I think TSE would have supported The Blessed Margaret's defenestration at the hands of Hezza.
    Nah. Thatcher should have been toppled over the Poll Tax not Europe.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:
    ttps://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/783962572416573440?s=09

    ttps://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/783962799852687360?s=09
    Somebody else that doesnt know the difference between race and nationality, there seems to be a lot of it around.

    In most other countries it seems to be completely uncontroversial to prefer you own citizens for jobs before immigrants, those well known fascist states Obama's USA and Trudeau's Canada certainly do.
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    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
    One suspects he would be happier if Clegg, or if he was still in parliament Sir Daniel, had jumped ship and become the Tory leader
    Nonsense.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,926
    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey, this feels surreal now

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/the-conservative-conference-was-thick-with-the-smell-of-power-la/

    In 2002, Labour met in Blackpool, the master of all it surveyed. Tensions over the impending fracas in Iraq had started to build, but aside from that, there was little doubt that the party had finally established itself as the natural party of government. Former US president made a pop star-like appearance (“Bill Clinton, Arkansas CLP,” he announced to an audience of swooning delegates – and that was just the men), Kevin Spacey in tow.

    As a man once said, we princes cannot be killed... :smiley:
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
    One suspects he would be happier if Clegg, or if he was still in parliament Sir Daniel, had jumped ship and become the Tory leader
    Nonsense.
    Really ? Your views seem to chime much more closely with their than with Mrs May, I would have thought you would have been delighted if they had joined the Tories and run for the leadership.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,037
    edited October 2016

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    She ground his idol into dust
    And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
    You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
    And you are obsessed by grammar schoolboys...
    Grammar shcool Girl (who got into Oxford....)
    See, grammar schools don't help kids, they end up in universities that are complete dumps :lol:
    Cameron and Osborne went to a "complete dump"?

    You didn't apply, by any chance did you?
    Nah. In my day you could only apply to either Oxford or Cambridge, not both, so I applied to the best university in the world, Cambridge.
    Applied. Bet you ended up in Durham.
    When I was doing A-levels Durham required you to actually work all year to get there. Those who got into Oxford / Cambridge sat the entrance exam, passed the interview and then relaxed with their 2E's offer. Those trying to get into Durham had to continue working to get the expected results.

    Given that I didn't bother to take either option and just went for King's College, Durham - following on from my Father I'm hardly one to talk.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TSE seems rather bitter about Theresa this morning. :(

    No change there then.....Maybe the press coverage of May's speech was not to his liking?
    It looked like he actually compared TM to IDS at one point?
    Tells you all you need to know about his judgment of Tory Leaders.

    Let's face it May is a lower middle class grammar school girl who got into Oxford.....reminds me of another PM....
    Ted Heath ??
    :-)
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    "I tweet this from a Lancs commuter train looking like this"

    To be fair, if she's looking like the end of a diesel engine then it's an improvement on what she looks like in her profile picture.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.

    As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Barnesian said:

    That Arizona poll looks good for Clinton.

    Jobabob said:

    The AZ poll will scare Trump.

    Texas might be worth a longshot wager.

    Alistair said:

    Emerson are a phone only poller that doesn't call mobiles. If it they are getting the numbers right it is purely by chance.

    The Trump Arizona visit is a clear sign of danger. Texas is out of range this cycle and probably in 2020 but will become a purple state by 2024.

    Emerson are 538 "B" rated so should not be discounted lightly.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,686
    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.

    As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
    As a train nerd I'd be delighted to travel on a train like that.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.

    As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
    As a train nerd I'd be delighted to travel on a train like that.
    As a one-off perhaps, but comfort trumps all when you're stuck on it for an hour, twice every day.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,037
    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.

    As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
    There are some coach companies that do the same. It's remarkable how many coaches I see on the roads that were formally King's Ferry (daily commute by coach from Medway to London).
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Jobabob said:

    Barnesian said:

    JackW said:

    Arizona - Clinton 44 .. Trump 42
    Rhode Island - Clinton 52 .. Trump 32

    Emerson College - Via Political Polls Numbers Twitter.

    That Arizona poll looks good for Clinton.
    The AZ poll will scare Trump.

    Texas might be worth a longshot wager.
    I was thinking that as well. The Hispanic population will very much be hyped to go out and vote for Clinton, and I can't see Trumps values chiming with the educated sectors in that state as much.

    Might be worth her putting a few resources there, just for the extra humiliation value if Trump loses it
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,686

    Kin hell

    @FinlayD: UKIP MEP Steven Woolfe has collapsed outside the European Parliament chamber. Paramedics looking after him, hope he's ok.

    I hope he's ok too.

    The timing of this comment risks looking in very poor taste but I laid him as UKIP laid only last night as I felt his odds-on price was way too short.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!

    I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.

    You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
    When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,

    Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
    What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?

    You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!

    And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?

    Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
    I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
    It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).

    Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
    You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.

    I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
    You are young!

    Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
    I am (Young and coming to Ink, although not as an exhibitor).

    Coffee sounds great. I'll be there on Thursday evening for the reception.
    I don't get back from Hong Kong until the Friday morning - are you around on Friday or just for the Thursday?
    I'll be there on the Friday too. Afternoon sounds like it might be better for you?
    4pm?
    Perfect. At reception?
    Will send you a PM with my cell phone.
    Thanks. Just sent mine through.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    I wish I got to commute on that everyday!

    Let's be honest, that's better than a pacer.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    edited October 2016
    One of the reasons I'm against the foreign workers register is it would have possibly discouraged accountancy firms from taking on people like my dad when he arrived from Africa, though maybe not him specifically because he was a British citizen. If people arrive here legally then companies that hire them shouldn't be penalised in any way.

    Additionally the idea if sending back highly skilled people to meet migration quotas is awful.

    I'm very much in favour of a simple three tier global system based on income and length of a person's stay.

    Tier 1 - £40k minimum income. 3 year work permit, additional £3k per dependent. Can be renewed twice before requiring the person to take up citizenship. No benefit rights.

    Tier 2 - £20k minimum income. 6 month work permit, can apply while in the UK, can move to a tier 1 visa if conditions for it are met within the 6 months. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Cannot be renewed.

    Tier 3 - no minimum income. Seasonal work permit, cannot move to other tier visas while in the UK. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Renewable once per year.

    Student - money paid up front for the course, length timed to match the course. No dependent rights. No welfare rights. Can move to tier 1/2 visa at the end of the course as long as conditions are met.

    That would be a fair and uncomplicated overseas worker programme. One which no one could complain about, we'd still be able to bring in the very best. Seasonal workers would still be able to come and working holiday types could come easily too with the tier 2 visa.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,686
    GeoffM said:

    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    "I tweet this from a Lancs commuter train looking like this"

    To be fair, if she's looking like the end of a diesel engine then it's an improvement on what she looks like in her profile picture.
    Ha! Off for some diversity training for you GeoffM ;-)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,753
    tlg86 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    I wish I got to commute on that everyday!

    Let's be honest, that's better than a pacer.
    Cat-Woman must be a Sulzer fan - disappointed by the English Electric traction.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,793
    Anorak said:

    dr_spyn said:

    A trainspotter writes:

    https://twitter.com/CatSmithMP/status/783964235974008832

    Still trying to work out her message re fracking and Type 3 diesels.

    Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.

    As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.
    Because train traffic in SE England is orders of magnitude greater than anywhere else?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Anorak said:

    Having spoken to an investor in one of the ROSCOs, it's seemingly common practice to introduce new rolling stock to the SE of England, and then ship the replaced crap oop north.

    As a northerner, I was a bit taken aback by how brazenly this was stated, and apparently implemented.

    That's been true with the 319s going to Northern. You can spin it the other way though because the SE of England had to put up with slam door mark 1 stock for a long time. So if you average the age of rolling stock over a long enough period it all evens itself out.
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