Philip Hammond at 25/1 with Ladbrokes to be next out of the Cabinet must be worth a flutter on this basis. If he thinks he's unsackable, there has to be a possibility that will be put to the test.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
Yes, she hasn't started well in my view. I said I'd wait until the conference, and it's made her government look worse.
Such a shame.
Her target was not liberal upper middle-class PB readers but lower middle-class and working class Sun and Mail readers. On that front it went well
Perhaps. It's a bit early to be declaring success.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Interesting that the URL and the headline are different. I assume the URL is auto generated on first upload, but the headline later changed to be less critical. Good sub editing by the sounds of it.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
The country clearly backs freedom of movement control over the single market in most polls so that view will in the end win out but Hammond is clearly pushing May to try and get the best deal for UK business she can
You mean that uneducated people who have no idea how trade, or any other aspect of a capitalist economy, works hate & despise anyone who isn't exactly like themselves in all respects.
Can I refer to you the insightful posts of FF43 last night --
“If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.”
If you ignore and treat with contempt the people at the bottom, then you can’t expect them to help you when it comes to a referendum.
I was a 'remainer', and I certainly don't ignore the people at the bottom, or treat them with contempt.
If anything, as PB shows, leavers do that: their general support for grammar schools being a good example. Leave used these people, and cares little for them.
IMO the main reason why the referendum was lost is simple: the EU had an offering that was unsaleable, before and after Cameron's reforms. They thought that decades of putting signs up: "This project funded by the EU." would win them love. MEPs remained faceless and unconnected with their electorate (with one or two notable good exceptions).
The EU was trying to make people identify as European and most Brits not only don't, but are deeply sceptical of the agenda that was being pushed.
Indeed, and that is one of the big failings of both the EU and the hardline EUphiles IMO. Their dream of a unified Europe has outmatched the desire of the populations of their member nations, and has been poorly sold. Some might say the dream is such a mess that it's impossible to sell well ...
I agree with that. The political project is supported by a only small minority of the population of Europe. The trading project is widely supported. The transition (Maastricht) from "free movement of people with jobs" (driven by optimising trade economics) to "free movement of people as European citizens" was driven by the political project not the economic one.
Philip Hammond at 25/1 with Ladbrokes to be next out of the Cabinet must be worth a flutter on this basis. If he thinks he's unsackable, there has to be a possibility that will be put to the test.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).
Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
Philip Hammond at 25/1 with Ladbrokes to be next out of the Cabinet must be worth a flutter on this basis. If he thinks he's unsackable, there has to be a possibility that will be put to the test.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
We're not the party of big government. What's the point in being a Tory if we've become Labour with blue rosettes. We can't have both major parties be in favour of big government and believe in state solutions instead of market solutions.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
Yes, she hasn't started well in my view. I said I'd wait until the conference, and it's made her government look worse.
Such a shame.
Her target was not liberal upper middle-class PB readers but lower middle-class and working class Sun and Mail readers. On that front it went well
Perhaps. It's a bit early to be declaring success.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).
Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.
I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
The alternative was Leadsom...
Leadsom actually gave a good conference speech in terms of delivery at least as good maybe even better than May's but May is clearly more competent
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
We're not the party of big government. What's the point in being a Tory if we've become Labour with blue rosettes. We can't have both major parties be in favour of big government and believe in state solutions instead of market solutions.
When the circumstances change, and I think we can all agree that they have, our philosophy changes too.
But seriously, I'm confident that the statist solutions will be limited. Anything else would cost too much.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
That's ridiculously obtuse. If you say they can stay until they can be replaced, you are saying they can't stay after they are replaced. And that by the way was the direct question asked of her.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
I am trying to give Amber Rudd the benefit of the doubt by suggesting she may have answered a different question from the one asked of her.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
We're not the party of big government. What's the point in being a Tory if we've become Labour with blue rosettes. We can't have both major parties be in favour of big government and believe in state solutions instead of market solutions.
The country clearly backs freedom of movement control over the single market in most polls so that view will in the end win out but Hammond is clearly pushing May to try and get the best deal for UK business she can
You mean that uneducated people who have no idea how trade, or any other aspect of a capitalist economy, works hate & despise anyone who isn't exactly like themselves in all respects.
Can I refer to you the insightful posts of FF43 last night --
“If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.”
If you ignore and treat with contempt the people at the bottom, then you can’t expect them to help you when it comes to a referendum.
I was a 'remainer', and I certainly don't ignore the people at the bottom, or treat them with contempt.
If anything, as PB shows, leavers do that: their general support for grammar schools being a good example. Leave used these people, and cares little for them.
IMO the main reason why the referendum was lost is simple: the EU had an offering that was unsaleable, before and after Cameron's reforms. They thought that decades of putting signs up: "This project funded by the EU." would win them love. MEPs remained faceless and unconnected with their electorate (with one or two notable good exceptions).
The EU was trying to make people identify as European and most Brits not only don't, but are deeply sceptical of the agenda that was being pushed.
Indeed, and that is one of the big failings of both the EU and the hardline EUphiles IMO. Their dream of a unified Europe has outmatched the desire of the populations of their member nations, and has been poorly sold. Some might say the dream is such a mess that it's impossible to sell well ...
I agree with that. The political project is supported by a only small minority of the population of Europe. The trading project is widely supported. The transition (Maastricht) from "free movement of people with jobs" (driven by optimising trade economics) to "free movement of people as European citizens" was driven by the political project not the economic one.
That's definitely true of British voters but have you seen any polling about the rest of the EU?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When a work permit expires - what do you think happens?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
I am trying to give Amber Rudd the benefit of the doubt by suggesting she may have answered a different question from the one asked of her.
I am suggesting that in international terms what she is doing is completely uncontroversial, its what just about every other country in the world does, but some how is it meant to be a great crime in the UK. Notably its the europhiles shouting about it because its part of the implementation of getting rid of Freedom of Movement, so there's a shock, I wish them luck on the doorsteps.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, well knows fascist states like Canada do the same thing, terrible!
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, here in Gib too. A friend of mine who is a govt lawyer is here on exactly that basis. All perfectly standard operating procedure.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
That's ridiculously obtuse. If you say they can stay until they can be replaced, you are saying they can't stay after they are replaced. And that by the way was the direct question asked of her.
And if they are here on a fixed term license, what's wrong with that?
It's how much of the world operates - goodness, some vile despotic regimes even record the nationalities of foreign citizens working there, (the USA for one).
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
We're not the party of big government. What's the point in being a Tory if we've become Labour with blue rosettes. We can't have both major parties be in favour of big government and believe in state solutions instead of market solutions.
When the circumstances change, and I think we can all agree that they have, our philosophy changes too.
But seriously, I'm confident that the statist solutions will be limited. Anything else would cost too much.
The circumstances haven't really changed. We need to make the market free-er but ensure the people lower down the income scale are protected with a higher NLW. I posted about it yesterday and I've done the sums today, overall to introduce a £12.50 NLW, eliminate all in working benefits, introduce universal childcare and transferable tax allowance for one working parent families, lower corporation tax to 12.5% for SMEs and 15% for big business and eliminate employer's NI entirely, we'd be looking at additional spending of less than £10bn per year. For a one time resettlement between business, government and low paid employees I'd call that pretty cheap. It would increase the work incentive, we'd eliminate working poverty, businesses would pay less tax overall and their employees would feel more valued.
The market solution to poverty is to steer the economy into high wages, low tax and better skills. We have the opportunity to have a grand resettlement with Brexit, instead the government are going to look at a statist solution, one that I would expect from Labour.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When a work permit expires - what do you think happens?
It is amazing how the EU project has successfully made everyone so scared of paperwork that has routinely been used for decades. Kudos to them. But scary for those of us who believe in the nation state and the importance of it to the security of individual freedoms from a strong and overbearing organizational federalism.
The country clearly backs freedom of movement control over the single market in most polls so that view will in the end win out but Hammond is clearly pushing May to try and get the best deal for UK business she can
You mean that uneducated people who have no idea how trade, or any other aspect of a capitalist economy, works hate & despise anyone who isn't exactly like themselves in all respects.
Can I refer to you the insightful posts of FF43 last night --
“If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.”
If you ignore and treat with contempt the people at the bottom, then you can’t expect them to help you when it comes to a referendum.
HIstorically, the entire point of Conservatism was to 'keep the social order' - by making sure that the lower orders did not follow their French counterparts to revolution. Their means of doing it was to try to govern in a way that persuaded them that they were better off under patrician rule than by wrestling the reins of power away from the ruling classes.
It would appear that nothing much has changed.
It appears to be the Liberal Centre/Left who are sneering at the lower orders because they dared to get of their sofas and vote for BrExit against the advice of their betters. BrExit was a revolution, but a revolution largely against the Liberal Centre/Left Europhile consensus that has been running this country for the last thirty years.
Even for this site, calling Maggie T a "left Europhile" is a bit much
I didn't see or hear the May speech but it was well received on BBC and Sky News.
I came here and it was received very poorly (on the whole).
I was a fan of the Cameron govt. I'm socially liberal. I also supported Brexit purely on the sovereignty issue (which I believe trumped all else). I've never been a big fan of May but I thought her candidacy speech was impressive.
I'll give May the opportunity to prove herself. Quiet, unflashy competence is not a bad trait.
As a poor, working class boy I can understand and empathise with the huge mound of the electorate that fears for the future, sees unlimited EU immigration as a potential problem and suffers from stagnation in living standards.
If there was a potent criticism of the Cam/Os govt it was that they struggled to empathise with those of us outside of their metropolitan/shire elites. May has been smart so far to re-identify with those poorer, fearful voters.
Squaring the circle of Brexit/Economic Growth/Prosperous Future/Keeping the Tory Party United will be a tough, tough job. I happen to think that a Remain vote would've led to a whole host of other problems anyway (possibly worse ones over the long term, because the EU is intransigent, if nothing else). So I'm hopeful Brexit is still a great opportunity for Britain and that May - through her quiet competence - builds a more rounded economy, not one based almost solely on house price rises, personal borrowing, and the power of the London-based financial institutions.
I'm willing to accept I might be wishing for pigs to fly. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.
I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
This actually reminds me quite a bit of the referendum debate.
On the one side: Conservatives. On the others: Conservatives.
The battle is between two views of the Conservative Party, Labour has vacated the field of play to dream of a world where submarines have no weapons, countries have no borders, and nobody criticises the Supreme Leader for not singing the national anthem at a Remembrance event.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.
I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
Good on you. Likewise, I have stayed in Labour through thick and thin.
I am suggesting that in international terms what she is doing is completely uncontroversial, its what just about every other country in the world does, but some how is it meant to be a great crime in the UK. Notably its the europhiles shouting about it because its part of the implementation of getting rid of Freedom of Movement, so there's a shock, I wish them luck on the doorsteps.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, well knows fascist states like Canada do the same thing, terrible!
This conversation has mutated from denying that deportation will take place to saying it's normal and to be expected, so it's pointless to discuss further.
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
We're not the party of big government. What's the point in being a Tory if we've become Labour with blue rosettes. We can't have both major parties be in favour of big government and believe in state solutions instead of market solutions.
When the circumstances change, and I think we can all agree that they have, our philosophy changes too.
But seriously, I'm confident that the statist solutions will be limited. Anything else would cost too much.
The circumstances haven't really changed. We need to make the market free-er but ensure the people lower down the income scale are protected with a higher NLW. I posted about it yesterday and I've done the sums today, overall to introduce a £12.50 NLW, eliminate all in working benefits, introduce universal childcare and transferable tax allowance for one working parent families, lower corporation tax to 12.5% for SMEs and 15% for big business and eliminate employer's NI entirely, we'd be looking at additional spending of less than £10bn per year. For a one time resettlement between business, government and low paid employees I'd call that pretty cheap. It would increase the work incentive, we'd eliminate working poverty, businesses would pay less tax overall and their employees would feel more valued.
The market solution to poverty is to steer the economy into high wages, low tax and better skills. We have the opportunity to have a grand resettlement with Brexit, instead the government are going to look at a statist solution, one that I would expect from Labour.
This is a great post Max. But you know as well as I do that it would never happen. Not least because you're including housing benefit for working families (I imagine?) and ignoring the transitional arrangements and costs?
I am suggesting that in international terms what she is doing is completely uncontroversial, its what just about every other country in the world does, but some how is it meant to be a great crime in the UK. Notably its the europhiles shouting about it because its part of the implementation of getting rid of Freedom of Movement, so there's a shock, I wish them luck on the doorsteps.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, well knows fascist states like Canada do the same thing, terrible!
This conversation has mutated from denying that deportation will take place to saying it's normal and to be expected, so it's pointless to discuss further.
No - you're running away from your egregious claim when it's pointed out it is how much of the world operates. It's not "deportation" - involuntary removals in the normal sense of the word.
The market solution to poverty is to steer the economy into high wages, low tax and better skills. We have the opportunity to have a grand resettlement with Brexit, instead the government are going to look at a statist solution, one that I would expect from Labour.
What about the thousands of jobs that don't generate £12.50/hr of value for their employer, like almost all catering related jobs ?
The other aspect of this sort of plan that concerns me (as it does in its current implementation) is that for most people childcare from 1-4 is wholly inadequate. Take a mother with a 8 year old child, that goes to school from 8:30am until 3:15pm which is pretty standard. Unless she is lucky enough to have a very local job, which is unlikely in whole areas of the provincial country, that single mother will need to leave for work before her child starts at school, and regardless of her location she will not get to the school until well after the end of the school day, even the schools that offer after school clubs for working parents rarely offer it past 5pm, the time the mother might be thinking about leaving the office.
The country clearly backs freedom of movement control over the single market in most polls so that view will in the end win out but Hammond is clearly pushing May to try and get the best deal for UK business she can
You mean that uneducated people who have no idea how trade, or any other aspect of a capitalist economy, works hate & despise anyone who isn't exactly like themselves in all respects.
Can I refer to you the insightful posts of FF43 last night --
“If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.”
If you ignore and treat with contempt the people at the bottom, then you can’t expect them to help you when it comes to a referendum.
HIstorically, the entire point of Conservatism was to 'keep the social order' - by making sure that the lower orders did not follow their French counterparts to revolution. Their means of doing it was to try to govern in a way that persuaded them that they were better off under patrician rule than by wrestling the reins of power away from the ruling classes.
It would appear that nothing much has changed.
It appears to be the Liberal Centre/Left who are sneering at the lower orders because they dared to get of their sofas and vote for BrExit against the advice of their betters. BrExit was a revolution, but a revolution largely against the Liberal Centre/Left Europhile consensus that has been running this country for the last thirty years.
Even for this site, calling Maggie T a "left Europhile" is a bit much
That is why I said thirty years, to start with John Major, and I also said Centre/Left.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
TSE was a Cameroon, a direction I myself was heading towards since Corbyn's takeover. I don't think there is much in common with Cameron and his successor.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
I am suggesting that in international terms what she is doing is completely uncontroversial, its what just about every other country in the world does, but some how is it meant to be a great crime in the UK. Notably its the europhiles shouting about it because its part of the implementation of getting rid of Freedom of Movement, so there's a shock, I wish them luck on the doorsteps.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, well knows fascist states like Canada do the same thing, terrible!
This conversation has mutated from denying that deportation will take place to saying it's normal and to be expected, so it's pointless to discuss further.
No - you're running away from your egregious claim when it's pointed out it is how much of the world operates.
I am rising to the bait because I made no egregious claim. It really annoys me when people falsely attribute statements in order to discredit people with other views. Why don't you justify your own arguments, as I try to do?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When a work permit expires - what do you think happens?
It is amazing how the EU project has successfully made everyone so scared of paperwork that has routinely been used for decades. Kudos to them. But scary for those of us who believe in the nation state and the importance of it to the security of individual freedoms from a strong and overbearing organizational federalism.
This wording is ridiculous. Decisions in federal countries like Canada, Australia, USA and even Switzerland are taken at the lowest possible level. (New Hampshire is more self-governing than Hampshire is. The UK helped write the post-War West German constitution, which sets out states' rights and what is devolved away from Bonn/Berlin.)
You are possibly confusing federalism with how France is run; i.e., from Paris. France tried in the early days to dictate how the EEC/EU should be run; i.e, from the centre.
But niceties like this unfortunately don't influence referemdum results, so we have a bugger's muddle.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
TSE was a Cameroon, a direction I myself was heading towards since Corbyn's takeover. I don't think there is much in common with Cameron and his successor.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
It causes amusement because for all his protestations of being a Tory (and to be fair his actions on the ground in support of his party) TSE's policy views are in almost every way identical to an Orange Book Liberal Democrat. Its very odd to want to support your party with the aim of turning it into the exact image of another party.
This wording is ridiculous. Decisions in federal countries like Canada, Australia, USA and even Switzerland are taken at the lowest possible level. (New Hampshire is more self-governing than Hampshire is. The UK helped write the post-War West German constitution, which sets out states' rights and what is devolved away from Bonn/Berlin.)
You are possibly confusing federalism with how France is run; i.e., from Paris. France tried in the early days to dictate how the EEC/EU should be run; i.e, from the centre.
But niceties like this unfortunately don't influence referemdum results, so we have a bugger's muddle.
The EU does run from the centre, when politicians are asked to point to meaningful implementations of the subsidiarity the answer comes there none! You can point to things the EU doesn't do, but that is because it hasn't taken control of them yet, the number of powers it has handed back to the member states is approximately zero.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.
I trust you will pick the targets for your pissing judiciously?
Mr. Indigo, that said, Farron is not an Orange Booker and his stance is leftward. It just doesn't stand out as much as it might because Corbyn's a full-blown socialist.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
TSE was a Cameroon, a direction I myself was heading towards since Corbyn's takeover. I don't think there is much in common with Cameron and his successor.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
It causes amusement because for all his protestations of being a Tory (and to be fair his actions on the ground in support of his party) TSE's policy views are in almost every way identical to an Orange Book Liberal Democrat. Its very odd to want to support your party with the aim of turning it into the exact image of another party.
Just to cheer everyone up - Donald Trump owns a home right on the seafront in Palm Beach - right in the firing line of Hurricane Matthew...
It's looking increasingly likely that hurricane Matthew is going to cause extensive damage in Florida, but hopefully no loss of life if things are organised properly. There could be political points to be gained or lost from how this is handled.
I am suggesting that in international terms what she is doing is completely uncontroversial, its what just about every other country in the world does, but some how is it meant to be a great crime in the UK. Notably its the europhiles shouting about it because its part of the implementation of getting rid of Freedom of Movement, so there's a shock, I wish them luck on the doorsteps.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, well knows fascist states like Canada do the same thing, terrible!
This conversation has mutated from denying that deportation will take place to saying it's normal and to be expected, so it's pointless to discuss further.
No - you're running away from your egregious claim when it's pointed out it is how much of the world operates.
I am rising to the bait because I made no egregious claim. It really annoys me when people falsely attribute statements in order to discredit people with other views. Why don't you justify your own arguments, as I try to do?
Ok, how about this then. We should ask people to leave when their work permit expires, if we dont we might as well give them a British passport at immigration. Doing this is entirely uncontroversial in just about every country in the world so its a bit bizarre that is causes so much fuss in the UK. One might think this was actually a cynical argument to try and retain freedom of movement rather than real outrage at the proposal.
Business have temporary fluctuations in their staffing requirements, to meet this they hire fixed term contractors or contractors with short notice periods to cover the resourcing gap, who they thank very much, pay well, and ask to leave when they can cover the requirements with their own staff. Most of the world seems to think the same approach being taken by countries is pretty uncontroversial.
Its also another tedious "nurses and teachers" argument, the UK regularly asks people with work permits in other industries to leave when their permits expire, such as in IT, why are doctors special if there are enough local doctors ? If there are not enough local doctors then clearly the country will extend work permits as required. Work permits are temporary, people should have no expectation that they convey any change of permanent status.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
TSE was a Cameroon, a direction I myself was heading towards since Corbyn's takeover. I don't think there is much in common with Cameron and his successor.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
It causes amusement because for all his protestations of being a Tory (and to be fair his actions on the ground in support of his party) TSE's policy views are in almost every way identical to an Orange Book Liberal Democrat. Its very odd to want to support your party with the aim of turning it into the exact image of another party.
I'd point out it was a Orange Book Lib Dem that had the balls to do what Thatcher didn't.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
The contract has nothing to do with it. I have worked in several countries on work permits on effectively a permanent staff contract, if your work permit is renewed you continue, if it isnt you have defacto resigned, welcome to how things work in 120+ countries of the world.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
To be clear -
Although in the British Isles, Guernsey is not in the EU of course and thus an example of how most of the world operate.
This wording is ridiculous. Decisions in federal countries like Canada, Australia, USA and even Switzerland are taken at the lowest possible level. (New Hampshire is more self-governing than Hampshire is. The UK helped write the post-War West German constitution, which sets out states' rights and what is devolved away from Bonn/Berlin.)
You are possibly confusing federalism with how France is run; i.e., from Paris. France tried in the early days to dictate how the EEC/EU should be run; i.e, from the centre.
But niceties like this unfortunately don't influence referemdum results, so we have a bugger's muddle.
The EU does run from the centre, when politicians are asked to point to meaningful implementations of the subsidiarity the answer comes there none! You can point to things the EU doesn't do, but that is because it hasn't taken control of them yet, the number of powers it has handed back to the member states is approximately zero.
Yep. Apparently my wording is ridiculous when applied to examples far and away from what I was talking about. In the EU sense of 'federalism', I appear to be bang on.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.
I trust you will pick the targets for your pissing judiciously?
I will. I've got a target in mind for this weekend's hatchet job thread
I am suggesting that in international terms what she is doing is completely uncontroversial, its what just about every other country in the world does, but some how is it meant to be a great crime in the UK. Notably its the europhiles shouting about it because its part of the implementation of getting rid of Freedom of Movement, so there's a shock, I wish them luck on the doorsteps.
It's already in place in the British Isles - medical staff come to Guernsey on fixed term contracts and are "deported" at the end of them.....it's how work permits work....
Yes, well knows fascist states like Canada do the same thing, terrible!
This conversation has mutated from denying that deportation will take place to saying it's normal and to be expected, so it's pointless to discuss further.
No - you're running away from your egregious claim when it's pointed out it is how much of the world operates.
I am rising to the bait because I made no egregious claim. It really annoys me when people falsely attribute statements in order to discredit people with other views. Why don't you justify your own arguments, as I try to do?
Why shouldn't people leave when their work permit expires?
3. The UK can unilaterally drop tariffs on imported good from non-EU countries making food from non-EU countries 30% cheaper and cars from (for example) US and Japan 10% cheaper. We also will not be bound by VAT regulations so we can choose to reduce or zero rate VAT on any good imported or sold that we feel so inclined. We also get to keep ALL the duty we do collect rather than given the vast majority of it to Brussels.
I thought that the whole essence of a Customs Union was the same (common) external tariff to countries outside it?
I think Indigo has this as an advantage for leaving the Customs Union (thanks for that by the way). Unilaterally reducing import tariffs makes us wealthier as we pay less for our imports.
There is a potential downside in that it could bankrupt farmers across the board. Unlike finance, agriculture has hardly been discussed in the Brexit context. It's a very difficult area and it impacts our WTO negotiations as well as those directly with the EU. There's a real risk of UK farmers being wiped out as they see their gate prices plummet by more than 30%.
So they'll see the same impact as has happened to British miners, shipbuilders and steel workers. Why should Conservative-voting farmers be insulated from these international challenges?
Especially as farmers by and large voted for Brexit?
However, they didn't vote to get rid of pesky foreigners just for those to flood the market and put them out of business. Rural Conservative MPs will be under a lot of pressure on this. The countryside is genuinely facing the end of a way of life
It really isn't. Rural areas buy local produce. Post-war mass farming might be changing, but it is not facing the end.
Farmers have been complaining about low milk prices for years, blaming supermarket buying power and the like. If those prices fall a further 30%-50%, which they will do if the UK doesn't negotiate a set of import quotas at the WTO to replace those it gets via the EU, we will see farmer bankruptcy across the board, It won't only be the marginally profitable farms. The same applies to meat and grain.
"This latest, million-pound research was funded by the Natural Environment Research Council and alongside Cambridge, experts from the universities of Manchester and Hertfordshire, Imperial College London, CERC Limited and the National Physics lab were involved. Heathrow helped them put the sensors up and British Airways provided some flight data, but neither handed over any money or were involved in the actual work."
Independent?
Sounds pretty independent. How else would you locate sensors on an airport? How else would you get flight data?
The EU does run from the centre, when politicians are asked to point to meaningful implementations of the subsidiarity the answer comes there none! You can point to things the EU doesn't do, but that is because it hasn't taken control of them yet, the number of powers it has handed back to the member states is approximately zero.
Subsidiarity has been the principle all along and you have to work quite hard persuading all the member states that it's a good idea before you can move power to the EU in the first place, so you wouldn't expect a lot of things to have been moved to the EU then back again.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
TSE was a Cameroon, a direction I myself was heading towards since Corbyn's takeover. I don't think there is much in common with Cameron and his successor.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
It causes amusement because for all his protestations of being a Tory (and to be fair his actions on the ground in support of his party) TSE's policy views are in almost every way identical to an Orange Book Liberal Democrat. Its very odd to want to support your party with the aim of turning it into the exact image of another party.
I'd point out it was a Orange Book Lib Dem that had the balls to do what Thatcher didn't.
Privatise the Royal Mail.
The labels no longer apply.
But you appear to hate Mr May for being in effect a bog standard middle of the road Tory, who isn't when it comes down to it suggesting doing anything that isn't done in most other democracies in the world, she might not be an Osbornite liberal, but she is definitely in the mold of Macmillan and Disraeli.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
Yes, but a newly trained doctor in 2025 won't be able to replace someone with 10 years of experience: it's not an equivalent role.
Essentially there will be a tapering effect over time, but the existing doctors who want to stay will be able to in practice
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
TSE was a Cameroon, a direction I myself was heading towards since Corbyn's takeover. I don't think there is much in common with Cameron and his successor.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
It causes amusement because for all his protestations of being a Tory (and to be fair his actions on the ground in support of his party) TSE's policy views are in almost every way identical to an Orange Book Liberal Democrat. Its very odd to want to support your party with the aim of turning it into the exact image of another party.
I'd point out it was a Orange Book Lib Dem that had the balls to do what Thatcher didn't.
Privatise the Royal Mail.
The labels no longer apply.
But you appear to hate Mr May for being in effect a bog standard middle of the road Tory, who isn't when it comes down to it suggesting doing anything that isn't done in most other democracies in the world, she might not be an Osbornite liberal, but she is definitely in the mold of Macmillan and Disraeli.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).
Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.
I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
You are young!
Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).
Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.
I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
The soundbites are very lefty-liberal BBC-friendly. Plus bigging her up deflects license fee opponents.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
Essentially there will be a tapering effect over time, but the existing doctors who want to stay will be able to in practice
No! No! No! All Foreign doctors are going to be frog marched to the airport, preferably in chains, but definitely in orange jump suits and chucked onto the first flight to who cares where. George Osborne told me, so it must be true...
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
Essentially there will be a tapering effect over time, but the existing doctors who want to stay will be able to in practice
No! No! No! All Foreign doctors are going to be frog marched to the airport, preferably in chains, but definitely in orange jump suits and chucked onto the first flight to who cares where. George Osborne told me, so it must be true...
Frog-marched, I assume, because there won't be enough cattle trucks to cope?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
And you are obsessed by grammar schoolboys...
Grammar shcool Girl (who got into Oxford....)
See, grammar schools don't help kids, they end up in universities that are complete dumps
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
And you are obsessed by grammar schoolboys...
Grammar shcool Girl (who got into Oxford....)
See, grammar schools don't help kids, they end up in universities that are complete dumps
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
Essentially there will be a tapering effect over time, but the existing doctors who want to stay will be able to in practice
No! No! No! All Foreign doctors are going to be frog marched to the airport, preferably in chains, but definitely in orange jump suits and chucked onto the first flight to who cares where. George Osborne told me, so it must be true...
Frog-marched, I assume, because there won't be enough cattle trucks to cope?
Ms Rudd will arrange for appropriate car drivers to chauffeur them and promises that none will be Boris.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
And you are obsessed by grammar schoolboys...
Grammar shcool Girl (who got into Oxford....)
See, grammar schools don't help kids, they end up in universities that are complete dumps
Cameron and Osborne went to a "complete dump"?
You didn't apply, by any chance did you?
Nah. In my day you could only apply to either Oxford or Cambridge, not both, so I applied to the best university in the world, Cambridge.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
I'm waiting for the 3-5% speech bounce, the kind which makes seats 50-100 in Con targets look obtainable - the anti-May spin will be a sight to behold....
It will be interesting to see if it registers- after Labour saw nothing despite "having the best conference" (sic) and May's "subdued speech which did not have much substance" (OGH).
Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
You're right of course, but for me it was the solid hour of good coverage on the BBC that suggests (and of course affects how) this is going to resonate. News at Ten followed by Newsnight.
I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
You are young!
Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
May looks like she should be PM. Mostly sounds like it too, although she is pretty ropey at big set-pieces viewing yesterday's on the play back (she really needs to sort out how she deals with clap points).
Jezza does not, and labour MPs who knock on doors know this.
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
When Patrick O'Flynn and Arron Banks have been tweeting that the Tory conference was like UKIP's or enacting UKIP's manifesto then I'm not best pleased,
Coupled with her plans to effectively deport from Doctors she's a pretty shitty person in my eyes.
What plan to "deport foreign Doctors"?
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Guardian!
And what's wrong with having time limits on work permits?
Or is the US the sink of depravity too?
[Amber Rudd] Asked whether she could reassure foreign NHS staff they were welcome to stay for now, she said: “Yes. There will be staff here from overseas in that interim period – until the further number of British doctors are able to be trained and come on board in terms of being able to work in our hospitals."
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
So no, she didn't say "we'll deport foreign doctors"
Glad we cleared that up.
I said effectively deport, you don't have to use the word to carry out the act.
When are you defecting to the LibDems, Mr Eagles?
I'm staying inside the tent, to ensure Mrs May's replacement is a decent, honourable, and election winning Tory.
I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
What is your objection to Mrs May. Do you think she has been too shrill on immigration? My Facebook timeline has been full of bile but I was surprised by how reasonable the BBC was last night. May herself didn't see very shocking. I'd have preferred it if she'd reached out to migrants alredy here saying their contribution was valued whatever future policy might be but has she actually attacked immigrants? And wasn't she one of the first Tories to be openly pro-gay?
You stick to your guns Philip and put Liam Fox in his place, you'll be a good bulwark against our unelected Prime Minister and some of her more batshit crazy appointments, David Davis & Stewart Jackson at the Brexit Department!
I can see why Dave was considering making Hammond Chancellor if Remain had won.
You really don't like Theresa May, do you?
She ground his idol into dust
And hurt the feelings of his other public school posh boy crush....when she said mean things to him (allegedly)
You're obsessed with public schoolboys. Are you a member of The Socialist Workers' Party?
Are you a public school OB, TSE? I think we should be told.
"This latest, million-pound research was funded by the Natural Environment Research Council and alongside Cambridge, experts from the universities of Manchester and Hertfordshire, Imperial College London, CERC Limited and the National Physics lab were involved. Heathrow helped them put the sensors up and British Airways provided some flight data, but neither handed over any money or were involved in the actual work."
Independent?
Sounds pretty independent. How else would you locate sensors on an airport? How else would you get flight data?
1. Natural Environment Research Council are "supported mainly by the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy (BEIS)". So funded by Govt and they then produce research with friendly help from the two companies that want a good result. 2. The assumptions on diesil engines in 2025+ look as reliable as a german car manufacturers compliance with EU emission standards.
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/783195009550024704
(Thanks to Doctor Fox for the headsup)
Although it got good coverage in the anticipated papers I'm not sure much attention is paid - what matters is the delegates went away with a spring in their step.
Seems pretty clear, unless she misheard the question and was talking instead about foreign doctors employed on future short term contracts.
https://twitter.com/atulh/status/783426332130762753
Glad we cleared that up.
I've never seen (b. 1987) such unwavering support from the BBC for a Tory leader.
But seriously, I'm confident that the statist solutions will be limited. Anything else would cost too much.
It's how much of the world operates - goodness, some vile despotic regimes even record the nationalities of foreign citizens working there, (the USA for one).
The market solution to poverty is to steer the economy into high wages, low tax and better skills. We have the opportunity to have a grand resettlement with Brexit, instead the government are going to look at a statist solution, one that I would expect from Labour.
I came here and it was received very poorly (on the whole).
I was a fan of the Cameron govt. I'm socially liberal. I also supported Brexit purely on the sovereignty issue (which I believe trumped all else). I've never been a big fan of May but I thought her candidacy speech was impressive.
I'll give May the opportunity to prove herself. Quiet, unflashy competence is not a bad trait.
As a poor, working class boy I can understand and empathise with the huge mound of the electorate that fears for the future, sees unlimited EU immigration as a potential problem and suffers from stagnation in living standards.
If there was a potent criticism of the Cam/Os govt it was that they struggled to empathise with those of us outside of their metropolitan/shire elites. May has been smart so far to re-identify with those poorer, fearful voters.
Squaring the circle of Brexit/Economic Growth/Prosperous Future/Keeping the Tory Party United will be a tough, tough job. I happen to think that a Remain vote would've led to a whole host of other problems anyway (possibly worse ones over the long term, because the EU is intransigent, if nothing else). So I'm hopeful Brexit is still a great opportunity for Britain and that May - through her quiet competence - builds a more rounded economy, not one based almost solely on house price rises, personal borrowing, and the power of the London-based financial institutions.
I'm willing to accept I might be wishing for pigs to fly. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I didn't quit when IDS became leader, and I'm not going because of Mrs May.
On the one side: Conservatives. On the others: Conservatives.
The battle is between two views of the Conservative Party, Labour has vacated the field of play to dream of a world where submarines have no weapons, countries have no borders, and nobody criticises the Supreme Leader for not singing the national anthem at a Remembrance event.
The other aspect of this sort of plan that concerns me (as it does in its current implementation) is that for most people childcare from 1-4 is wholly inadequate. Take a mother with a 8 year old child, that goes to school from 8:30am until 3:15pm which is pretty standard. Unless she is lucky enough to have a very local job, which is unlikely in whole areas of the provincial country, that single mother will need to leave for work before her child starts at school, and regardless of her location she will not get to the school until well after the end of the school day, even the schools that offer after school clubs for working parents rarely offer it past 5pm, the time the mother might be thinking about leaving the office.
I never liked Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and definitely not Corbyn. It is quite possible to loath your party leader and still feel affiliated to your party.
You are possibly confusing federalism with how France is run; i.e., from Paris. France tried in the early days to dictate how the EEC/EU should be run; i.e, from the centre.
But niceties like this unfortunately don't influence referemdum results, so we have a bugger's muddle.
JEREMY CORBYN!
(edit: I see Sandy Rentool got there first)
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/783957883398610944
Business have temporary fluctuations in their staffing requirements, to meet this they hire fixed term contractors or contractors with short notice periods to cover the resourcing gap, who they thank very much, pay well, and ask to leave when they can cover the requirements with their own staff. Most of the world seems to think the same approach being taken by countries is pretty uncontroversial.
Its also another tedious "nurses and teachers" argument, the UK regularly asks people with work permits in other industries to leave when their permits expire, such as in IT, why are doctors special if there are enough local doctors ? If there are not enough local doctors then clearly the country will extend work permits as required. Work permits are temporary, people should have no expectation that they convey any change of permanent status.
Privatise the Royal Mail.
The labels no longer apply.
Although in the British Isles, Guernsey is not in the EU of course and thus an example of how most of the world operate.
Why do you dress this up as "deportation"?
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/783923087112896513
Essentially there will be a tapering effect over time, but the existing doctors who want to stay will be able to in practice
Are you come to Inkfair in London October? If so perhaps a coffee...it's at my office...
You didn't apply, by any chance did you?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/paedophile-caught-with-137k-indecent-images-of-children-spared-j/
A paedophile who was found with more than 137,000 indecent images of children has been spared jail because he wants to start a family.
(In other news, the Ched Evans case that caused so much debate here a year or so ago is back in court for the retrial)
Jezza does not, and labour MPs who knock on doors know this.
2. The assumptions on diesil engines in 2025+ look as reliable as a german car manufacturers compliance with EU emission standards.
Florida:
Trump 45 (+1)
Clinton 44
Johnson 4
Stein 3
Nevada:
Trump 43
Clinton 43
Johnson 9
Stein 4
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