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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Sean_F said:

    Politico: "Advisers to Hillary Clinton’s campaign have identified so many paths to an Election Day victory they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that would ensure a win but on opening up the possibility of an Electoral College landslide."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clintons-advisers-tell-her-to-prep-for-a-landslide-227659#ixzz4J6pbmn2m

    Fill your boots at 1.37 on BF. Better than the bank rate (isn't everything?).

    Politico: "Advisers to Hillary Clinton’s campaign have identified so many paths to an Election Day victory they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that would ensure a win but on opening up the possibility of an Electoral College landslide."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clintons-advisers-tell-her-to-prep-for-a-landslide-227659#ixzz4J6pbmn2m

    Fill your boots at 1.37 on BF. Better than the bank rate (isn't everything?).

    Currently she's ahead by 3/4%, so it seems somewhat hubristic to be talking about a landslide victory.
    The national polls are pretty irrelevant. It's winning states that counts and a landslide in the electoral college: FL, OH, PA, Nevada.
    As the national polls narrow so do the battleground states.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited September 2016

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    @patrick_kidd New announcement from Virgin guard (see previous). "For those who tweeted that I was being funny, it was factual. We call it being helpful."
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    PClipp said:

    And former cynical ex-LibDem leader not bothered about human consequences of his cynical "promises" to the poorest students made to boost his short-term electoral chances?

    The poorest students, Mr Mark, got a far better deal out of the Coalition Government than they are getting out of this backward-looking Tory one.
    And how are any of them doing compared to the deal Clegg promised them? For cynical political advantage.....
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    @patrick_kidd New announcement from Virgin guard (see previous). "For those who tweeted that I was being funny, it was factual. We call it being helpful."
    This guy is a natural. He should be promoted to a bigger train.
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    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    @patrick_kidd New announcement from Virgin guard (see previous). "For those who tweeted that I was being funny, it was factual. We call it being helpful."
    I am reminded of the Viz top tip that was along the lines of:

    "Always keep the seat next to you on the bus or train free by smiling and nodding at other passengers as they walk down the aisle."
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    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    @patrick_kidd New announcement from Virgin guard (see previous). "For those who tweeted that I was being funny, it was factual. We call it being helpful."
    This guy is a natural. He should be promoted to a bigger train.
    Broad gauge?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    @patrick_kidd New announcement from Virgin guard (see previous). "For those who tweeted that I was being funny, it was factual. We call it being helpful."
    This guy is a natural. He should be promoted to a bigger train.
    Broad gauge?
    :).
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    Which begs the question, how many seats will the Greens be guaranteed via the deals to be done? 1, 5, 10 ?
    "The pair have spoken of wanting to form a "progressive alliance" with Labour and others, not to stand candidates against each other to stop the Conservatives being elected."
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    I thought there was an Etonian purge quite recently? ;)
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    PClipp said:

    And former cynical ex-LibDem leader not bothered about human consequences of his cynical "promises" to the poorest students made to boost his short-term electoral chances?

    The poorest students, Mr Mark, got a far better deal out of the Coalition Government than they are getting out of this backward-looking Tory one.
    And how are any of them doing compared to the deal Clegg promised them? For cynical political advantage.....
    It was a promise that you Tories prevented him from keeping.
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    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Sean_F said:

    Politico: "Advisers to Hillary Clinton’s campaign have identified so many paths to an Election Day victory they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that would ensure a win but on opening up the possibility of an Electoral College landslide."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clintons-advisers-tell-her-to-prep-for-a-landslide-227659#ixzz4J6pbmn2m

    Fill your boots at 1.37 on BF. Better than the bank rate (isn't everything?).

    Politico: "Advisers to Hillary Clinton’s campaign have identified so many paths to an Election Day victory they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that would ensure a win but on opening up the possibility of an Electoral College landslide."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clintons-advisers-tell-her-to-prep-for-a-landslide-227659#ixzz4J6pbmn2m

    Fill your boots at 1.37 on BF. Better than the bank rate (isn't everything?).

    Currently she's ahead by 3/4%, so it seems somewhat hubristic to be talking about a landslide victory.
    The national polls are pretty irrelevant. It's winning states that counts and a landslide in the electoral college: FL, OH, PA, Nevada.
    The picture in the battleground States (in terms of swing) won't differ significantly from the national picture.

    Generally speaking, a lead of 10%+ counts as a landslide. But, a small lead in votes can certainly produce a big lead in the EC.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    PClipp said:

    PClipp said:

    And former cynical ex-LibDem leader not bothered about human consequences of his cynical "promises" to the poorest students made to boost his short-term electoral chances?

    The poorest students, Mr Mark, got a far better deal out of the Coalition Government than they are getting out of this backward-looking Tory one.
    And how are any of them doing compared to the deal Clegg promised them? For cynical political advantage.....
    It was a promise that you Tories prevented him from keeping.
    Riiiiiiiight...........
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,857

    <

    And how are any of them doing compared to the deal Clegg promised them? For cynical political advantage.....

    Just like the Conservatives who were still wibbling on about the "Winter of Discontent" in the 1990s. Why not talk about your own Government's record - after all, you've had two since since the last election ?

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Politico: "Advisers to Hillary Clinton’s campaign have identified so many paths to an Election Day victory they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that would ensure a win but on opening up the possibility of an Electoral College landslide."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clintons-advisers-tell-her-to-prep-for-a-landslide-227659#ixzz4J6pbmn2m

    Fill your boots at 1.37 on BF. Better than the bank rate (isn't everything?).

    Certainly not.

    British reading of the dynamics of American politics is woeful, and far too coloured by the spin our media puts on it.

    I think Hillary will win but I certainly won't bet the farm on it.
    British and European media tends to view the Democrats as being perhaps half-civilised (obviously, Americans can never be truly civilised) but Republicans as being completely beyond the pale.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited September 2016
    Con. History Group @ConHistGrp
    Jonathan Bartley, the new joint leader of the Green Party, worked on John Major's Tory leadership campaign in 1995

    :astonished:
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    Sean_F said:

    Politico: "Advisers to Hillary Clinton’s campaign have identified so many paths to an Election Day victory they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that would ensure a win but on opening up the possibility of an Electoral College landslide."

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clintons-advisers-tell-her-to-prep-for-a-landslide-227659#ixzz4J6pbmn2m

    Fill your boots at 1.37 on BF. Better than the bank rate (isn't everything?).

    Certainly not.

    British reading of the dynamics of American politics is woeful, and far too coloured by the spin our media puts on it.

    I think Hillary will win but I certainly won't bet the farm on it.
    British and European media tends to view the Democrats as being perhaps half-civilised (obviously, Americans can never be truly civilised) but Republicans as being completely beyond the pale.
    Very true.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    SeanT said:

    MattW said:

    Mr. Simon/Mr. Bedfordshire, if it's easy to make the shift and the choice is massively altering your content to get ad revenues or moving platform, a significant number may move.

    Some think this is designed to try and encourage more Red Tube (or whatever subscription Youtube is called) channels.

    Patreon means some may prefer to try and replace ad revenue with direct donations/subscriptions.

    It all seems very odd to me, Mr. Dancer. One chap whose channel I watch quite regularly has been running for years, he basically financed his way through university with it, has now been told it must be de-monetised. He creates videos of play-throughs of games and flight-sims. Naturally there is a certain amount of bad language in his commentary, not excessively so and not gratuitously but as any gamer will know there are moments of frustration which would cause a saint on valium to swear. That occasional bad language has apparently caused him to be put on YouTube's naughty step. He says he will give up on YouTube.
    Red Tube is (I learn from feminists complaining about it) a rather extreme porn site.
    It's really NOT extreme!
    Not "Big Daddy's Dungeon Party?"
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    RobD said:

    I thought there was an Etonian purge quite recently? ;)
    They'll be back. ;)
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    stodge said:


    No its those that have legislated to the effect that offending someone has become a civil tort matter or even a criminal matter that are to blame.

    In this country principally the EU and the Labour Party. They fed the troll.

    I would simply ask this - if we have Freedom of Speech, I have been told by many that implies a right to offend.

    Presumably, it must also involve a right to be offended.
    Absolutely there is a right to be offended.

    What there isn't is a right to not be offended.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Non-apology of the day. Apologising in a way that repeats the original allegations.
    The Presidential candidate's wife worked as a model, definitely not as an escort.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769798/Melania-Trump-retraction.html
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sean_F said:

    Not "Big Daddy's Dungeon Party?"

    Certainly a party with a modicum of merit .. :smiley:
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016
    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    IBD/TIPP National poll.

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Interesting snippet:

    "The poll found 50% supported mandatory deportation, but only 46% back the wall."
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    JackW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Not "Big Daddy's Dungeon Party?"

    Certainly a party with a modicum of merit .. :smiley:
    A DVD with this title features in one of Sean T's novels.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    stodge said:

    <

    And how are any of them doing compared to the deal Clegg promised them? For cynical political advantage.....

    Just like the Conservatives who were still wibbling on about the "Winter of Discontent" in the 1990s. Why not talk about your own Government's record - after all, you've had two since since the last election ?

    Cowardly Clegg to come out with his bitching now.. why didn't he say anything at the time
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Does anyone know what Amazon's delivery to Switzerland is like, do they deduct VAT before the order?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    edited September 2016
    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    She's just not a very good candidate.
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    The Killing. My word. Only just discovered it. Lucky me.
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    Mr. Mark, Farage Effect?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    Well it's the first poll that covered the events of Wednesday.
    Lets wait for others, but this polls would be encouraging for the Trump camp.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    I don't know that she is actually doing anything wrong. Perhaps these results are because the American voters are just starting to pay attention to politics and looking at Clinton as a possible president.
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    The Killing. My word. Only just discovered it. Lucky me.

    Assuming you mean the Danish original, series one is an absolute masterpiece. Incredibly few weak points for such a complex plot.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    The Killing. My word. Only just discovered it. Lucky me.

    Is it too much to hope you missed The Bridge as well?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Good showing for Trump in Iowa +4 and Virginia -2
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Harry Enten of 538 looks at the best way of reading the POTUS polls :

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/13-tips-for-reading-general-election-polls-like-a-pro/
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Mr. Mark, Farage Effect?


    He'll claim it regardless!

    Maybe just the restorative properties of Brexit striking a chord?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    weejonnie said:

    Good showing for Trump in Iowa +4 and Virginia -2

    Link please.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    Corbyn - the git that keeps on giving.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
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    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    I don't know that she is actually doing anything wrong. Perhaps these results are because the American voters are just starting to pay attention to politics and looking at Clinton as a possible president.
    There's also more of a relentless character to the negative stories surrounding her. The cumulative effect of emails and pay-for-access is helping cement the image of her as a geriatric grifter whose best years are behind her.

    Trump goes from crisis to crisis but no-one can remember what each one was about after a few weeks.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    I don't know that she is actually doing anything wrong. Perhaps these results are because the American voters are just starting to pay attention to politics and looking at Clinton as a possible president.
    Both Trump and Hillary are now regarded as equally terrible by the public, for different reasons.

    Hillary because she is in politics since 1964, too many compromises, too much corruption, and she wasn't good at her senior government post anyway.

    Trump because of his big loud mouth.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    I don't know that she is actually doing anything wrong. Perhaps these results are because the American voters are just starting to pay attention to politics and looking at Clinton as a possible president.
    Maybe to counter Farage, she needs Neil Kinnock to open her rallies....?

    Or perhaps a series of pledges to be carved on Mount Rushmore if she wins.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited September 2016
    Cheers TSE, thought this would make a good article when I saw it on the previous thread. Not much to add other than Kezia Dugdale’s year long tenure has seen, quite amazingly, Labour going even further backwards in Scotland. Can’t see her lasting to 2020 at this rate.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited September 2016
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    Both main parties will be desperately wishing they could start over with their candidate selections. Either party could select literally anyone else and get a landslide win, instead we have Alien vs Predator - with the American public wishing they could both lose.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    Hillary is not saying anything about policy - she is just attacking Trump - Trump IS offering policy and thus looks more presidential even if you disagree with it.

    In other words Clinton is Frit.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    I do like the use of "erstwhile" to refer to the British Ambassador to Russia.

    It usually refers to the relatively recent past...in this case the Ambassador retired in 1602...
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    TudorRose said:

    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    Corbyn - the git that keeps on giving.
    One imagines that a few Virgin guards with a sense of humour are going to keep this running for months. All rather amusing.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    It is of course difficult for anyone over here to really understand US politics but the choice does seem so awful I wonder if this year's presidential election might set a record for the lowest turnout.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    edited September 2016

    I see there is a coronation street waycism scandal on twitter with much foaming at tbe mouth and outrage over basically er nothing.

    Basically one of the characters looked at her hair and said she had more roots than the lead character of a 70s TV series set in the days of slavery who I had never heard of which was apparently called Roots.

    All sorts of racism investigations are going on, 300 complaints to Ofcom and there is a pious article in the Guardian warning how we Brits have so much to learn about Race.

    Of course this sort of thing is rife in the USA too. Then people wonder why when someone wealthy and rather right wing says vote for me and I will strip the clothes from this bogus emperor he is within striking distance of the presidency.

    Trump, as Brexit did here, is showing that there is a yawning chasm between the views and values of the metropolitan elite and the ordinary working people.

    Everyone wants to take offence if at all possible these days.. Its American culture that is to blame

    I see there is a coronation street waycism scandal on twitter with much foaming at tbe mouth and outrage over basically er nothing.

    Basically one of the characters looked at her hair and said she had more roots than the lead character of a 70s TV series set in the days of slavery who I had never heard of which was apparently called Roots.

    All sorts of racism investigations are going on, 300 complaints to Ofcom and there is a pious article in the Guardian warning how we Brits have so much to learn about Race.

    Of course this sort of thing is rife in the USA too. Then people wonder why when someone wealthy and rather right wing says vote for me and I will strip the clothes from this bogus emperor he is within striking distance of the presidency.

    Trump, as Brexit did here, is showing that there is a yawning chasm between the views and values of the metropolitan elite and the ordinary working people.

    Everyone wants to take offence if at all possible these days.. Its American culture that is to blame
    So the 15m people who voted Remain are all part of this so-called elite? That's stretching the definition of elite somewhat...
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    JackW said:

    weejonnie said:

    Good showing for Trump in Iowa +4 and Virginia -2

    Link please.
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/#plus
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    weejonnie said:

    JackW said:

    weejonnie said:

    Good showing for Trump in Iowa +4 and Virginia -2

    Link please.
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/#plus
    Thank you.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    It is of course difficult for anyone over here to really understand US politics but the choice does seem so awful I wonder if this year's presidential election might set a record for the lowest turnout.
    I doubt turnout will be low, the main argument from both sides is that if they lose it will lead to the end of mankind.
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    MTimT said:

    She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    The sad thing is that if you go back and watch the 90s version of Hillary, she did have charisma and she was quick-witted. She's simply past it.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited September 2016

    I see there is a coronation street waycism scandal on twitter with much foaming at tbe mouth and outrage over basically er nothing.

    Basically one of the characters looked at her hair and said she had more roots than the lead character of a 70s TV series set in the days of slavery who I had never heard of which was apparently called Roots.

    All sorts of racism investigations are going on, 300 complaints to Ofcom and there is a pious article in the Guardian warning how we Brits have so much to learn about Race.

    Of course this sort of thing is rife in the USA too. Then people wonder why when someone wealthy and rather right wing says vote for me and I will strip the clothes from this bogus emperor he is within striking distance of the presidency.

    Trump, as Brexit did here, is showing that there is a yawning chasm between the views and values of the metropolitan elite and the ordinary working people.

    Everyone wants to take offence if at all possible these days.. Its American culture that is to blame
    So the 15m people who voted Remain are all part of this so-called elite? That's stretching the definition of elite somewhat...
    No a lot were scaredy cats worried and fearful ...
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    It is of course difficult for anyone over here to really understand US politics but the choice does seem so awful I wonder if this year's presidential election might set a record for the lowest turnout.
    Was thinking the same, but can't find any markets on it.

    US turnout is abysmal compared to the UK, with turnout since WWII in the 49-62% range - Obama in 2008 only got 57% out, the 49% was for Clinton (Wm) in 1996.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Basically Trump has to reduce the Stereotype threat that Black voters have. i.e. I vote Democrat because I am black and black voters vote Democrat.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016
    weejonnie said:

    Good showing for Trump in Iowa +4 and Virginia -2

    Lets but the whole numbers on, both of them conducted entirely during and after the Wednesday events:

    Emerson, Iowa

    Trump 44
    Hillary 39

    Emerson, Virginia

    Hillary 44
    Trump 43

    That would be true if Trump were have a small lead over Hillary nationally.
    The IBD/TIPP poll just got 2 state polls to support it.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    It is of course difficult for anyone over here to really understand US politics but the choice does seem so awful I wonder if this year's presidential election might set a record for the lowest turnout.
    I doubt turnout will be low, the main argument from both sides is that if they lose it will lead to the end of mankind.
    You are probably right, Mr. Speedy, I am perhaps projecting my English personality on to our US cousins. Faced with two such awful candidates I would probably abstain. The Septics may look at life differently.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    weejonnie said:

    Basically Trump has to reduce the Stereotype threat that Black voters have. i.e. I vote Democrat because I am black and black voters vote Democrat.

    They prefer the bubonic plaugue tho.........
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    It is of course difficult for anyone over here to really understand US politics but the choice does seem so awful I wonder if this year's presidential election might set a record for the lowest turnout.
    I've thought about that and discount it. Trump will turn out quite a lot of previous non-voters. And, while he will turn off many traditional GOP voters, most of them will either vote Dem or Libertarian, with only a minority choosing not to vote.

    Clinton will not by her own efforts increase the Dem vote. But fear of the Donald can be expected to maintain high turnouts for lefty liberals and the African American community, and perhaps reach new highs for turnout of the Latino electorate.

    The one demographic I do not expect to see at particularly high levels is the women's vote. They don't like the Donald, for sure, but they don't like Hillary. Given the Donald has been pro-abortion in the past, the choice between the two doesn't put the Supreme Court balance on Roe vs Wade in jeopardy, the one thing that might galvanize the demographic.
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    Speedy said:

    That would be true if Trump were have a small lead over Hillary nationally.
    The IBD/TIPP poll just got 2 state polls to support it.

    I would assume that Trump is ahead at this point and the dynamics of the rest of the race will favour him unless there is a black swan surprise event. The Clinton campaign's effort to 'swiftboat' him has failed.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know what Amazon's delivery to Switzerland is like, do they deduct VAT before the order?

    Sorry, no idea.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    It is of course difficult for anyone over here to really understand US politics but the choice does seem so awful I wonder if this year's presidential election might set a record for the lowest turnout.
    I've thought about that and discount it. Trump will turn out quite a lot of previous non-voters. And, while he will turn off many traditional GOP voters, most of them will either vote Dem or Libertarian, with only a minority choosing not to vote.

    Clinton will not by her own efforts increase the Dem vote. But fear of the Donald can be expected to maintain high turnouts for lefty liberals and the African American community, and perhaps reach new highs for turnout of the Latino electorate.

    The one demographic I do not expect to see at particularly high levels is the women's vote. They don't like the Donald, for sure, but they don't like Hillary. Given the Donald has been pro-abortion in the past, the choice between the two doesn't put the Supreme Court balance on Roe vs Wade in jeopardy, the one thing that might galvanize the demographic.
    Thanks for that. Mr. T.. An object lesson as to why applying UK thinking to US politics is a losing game.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?

    Why would you ask if I'm being serious? Or do u think what that woman experienced wasn't shocking? TSE is right you are thick.
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    Mr. Glenn, if Antigonus had been younger when he had Lysimachus cornerered, rather than octogenarian, he likely would've crushed him and subsequently won the Battle of Ipsus. In that event, Rome, expanding east, would've encountered an empire stretching from Albania to India.
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    SeanT said:

    Occurs to me that US election 2016 might be the only time when both parties have selected the only candidate who might lose to the opposition

    I think this underestimates both candidates.

    Hillary would have loved to go up against a Rubio, a Kasich or, even better, a Cruz.

    By the same token, Trump has already dispatched mainstream heavyweights like Jeb Bush with ease it would take an exceptional Democrat to avoid falling victim to the same kind of tactics.
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    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    Us SR folk have still not forgiven BR(WR) now GWR again for singling our main line to exeter damn near wrecking it after they took it over in a BR regional boundary change in 1963 and probably won't until it is restored to double track and the principle route to Exeter again.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited September 2016
    nunu said:

    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?

    Why would you ask if I'm being serious? Or do u think what that woman experienced wasn't shocking? TSE is right you are thick.
    More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... I listened from the 20 mins point for about 5 mins and it was very hard to make out what she had suffered other than coming from Germany and someone told her "made your bed so you lie in it". So could you help and explain what exactly she had suffered and how that had been substantiated by some other evidence?
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @PClipp

    And how are any of them doing compared to the deal Clegg promised them? For cynical political advantage.....

    'It was a promise that you Tories prevented him from keeping.'


    Oh dear a very poor attempt to try & rewrite history & pretend red lines didn't exist,should at least wait another 20 years to try that scam.
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    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?
    She's just not a very good candidate.
    A bit like Remain wasn't a very good campaign because the EU wasn't a very good candidate.

    Oh what a joy Komment Macht Frei will be if Trump wins

    :smiley:
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Interesting article on the EU referendum campaigns. Looks like the Remain campaign was piss poor.

    "By contrast, when ConservativesIn’s plans for polling day operations in 90 key seats were leaked to us, we thought their plans were too bad to be true. Remain had chosen a ‘high-visibility’, un-targeted approach for their ground campaign. This involved railway station leafleting at 6am, followed by street stalls and ‘high street leafleting’ throughout the day before returning to station activity between 5pm and 7pm. Such scattergun campaigning was ineffective when you consider that the average ‘Leave’ vote in these constituencies was 45 per cent. So Remain’s activists had a 55 per cent chance of contacting a supporter on polling day; Vote Leave’s ground campaigners had a 75 per cent chance. ‘Remains’’ ‘high visibility’ campaigning may have been enough to fool some into thinking ‘Remain’ were more active, but ‘Leave’ was by far the more effective."

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/inside-story-brexit-vote-won/
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    Mr. Mark, Farage Effect?

    lol

    It was a good speech.
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    Scott_P said:

    @patrick_kidd: Am on Virgin train. War with Corbyn endures. Guard just said: "For those moaning they have to sit on floor there are 132 empty seats today."

    @patrick_kidd: Virgin guard goes on: "If you can't find an empty seat, may I suggest you try walking through more than one carriage before complaining"

    I'd put money on the guard saying that was doing so off his own bat, not prompted by the company in any way at all. Railway people can be very proud and protective of their company.
    Us SR folk have still not forgiven BR(WR) now GWR again for singling our main line to exeter damn near wrecking it after they took it over in a BR regional boundary change in 1963 and probably won't until it is restored to double track and the principle route to Exeter again.
    Could have been worse: the line between Matlock and Peak Forest was shut because the West Coast folks didn't want a rival route to Manchester. Although they only wanted the line shut after it was used as a diversionary route during electrification of the WCML route.

    Barbara Castle has a lot to answer for ...

    One of BR's biggest mistakes in 1948 was keeping the regional structure of the railways, where some (cough) GWR (cough) pretty much did things their own way for decades.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    If I were casting a film, Trump would be one of the hill-billies in 'Deliverance'. Clinton would play Nurse Ratched in 'One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest'.
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    SeanT said:

    Right wing people, especially *hard* right, have better sex

    https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/771685430118846464

    But of course. "No woman was ever turned on by a man dressed as a liberal".

    It sort of makes sense.

    Alpha types who if we lived in a society without a state as animals do are the ones that would dominate, and are going to be in favour of a small state and freedom to do as they wish.

    Beta puny types who would be dominated by the alpha types are going to prefer a big state which regulates everything and gives them a more level playing field.

    Basically Dennis the Menace is right wing, Walter the softie is left wing.....
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    Mr. Bedfordshire, not being sarcastic.

    Farage has punched massively above his weight this year. His speech probably helped Trump.
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    Uzbek tyrant confirmed dead:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37260375

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Good.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?

    Why would you ask if I'm being serious? Or do u think what that woman experienced wasn't shocking? TSE is right you are thick.
    More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... I listened from the 20 mins point for about 5 mins and it was very hard to make out what she had suffered other than coming from Germany and someone told her "made your bed so you lie in it". So could you help and explain what exactly she had suffered and how that had been substantiated by some other evidence?
    "More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... "- LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    Clearly you didn't bother listening then, you heard what you wanted to.She said she has lived here since the 70's and her neighbours and people who she thought were her friends and had even gone on coach trips with said they could no longer be friends with her because she is "foreign" people hear her accent and shout abuse at her, she has had dog poo on her window and is very afraid. I'm not saying it's representative of LEAVE voters at all but I found it a few days ago and thought it was shocking. I hope we can reach out to people and make sure they know they feel valued.

    People need to drop the Leave/Remain tribalism now.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Speedy said:
    These polls are good, they will wake the Democrats from their complacency.
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    weejonnie said:

    Basically Trump has to reduce the Stereotype threat that Black voters have. i.e. I vote Democrat because I am black and black voters vote Democrat.

    In the Welsh valleys you can replace Trump with UKIP, Black with Valleys Residents and Democrat with Labour

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    An excellent poll for Unionists, more Britons voted Remain than Scots would now vote for independence from the UK, even post BREXIT!
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    nunu said:

    Speedy said:
    These polls are good, they will wake the Democrats from their complacency.
    What can they do - all they offer is hate.
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    weejonnie said:

    nunu said:

    Speedy said:
    These polls are good, they will wake the Democrats from their complacency.
    What can they do - all they offer is hate.
    and envy, just like Labour
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Right wing people, especially *hard* right, have better sex

    https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/771685430118846464

    But of course. "No woman was ever turned on by a man dressed as a liberal".

    It sort of makes sense.

    Alpha types who if we lived in a society without a state as animals do are the ones that would dominate, and are going to be in favour of a small state and freedom to do as they wish.

    Beta puny types who would be dominated by the alpha types are going to prefer a big state which regulates everything and gives them a more level playing field.

    Basically Dennis the Menace is right wing, Walter the softie is left wing.....
    It's very difficult to find a sexy male icon, beloved by women, who isn't alpha, dominant, and classically rightwing. From Darcy to Heathcliff, from Christian Gray (trillionaire businessman!) to Ross Poldark (dashing mine-captain), they are all Tories, Republicans or quasi-Fascist.

    In Highlander the brooding macho hero actually gives the feisty modern heroine a spanking, which caused much excitation in the largely female viewership.

    No liberal could ever administer a sincere spanking. He'd be worried about triggering. And have triplicate consent forms ready to be signed.
    lol
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    edited September 2016
    Theresa May is now also the most popular PM and UK Tory or Labour leader in Scotland since Gordon Brown (though not sure if that is a great thing!)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011

    SeanT said:

    Occurs to me that US election 2016 might be the only time when both parties have selected the only candidate who might lose to the opposition

    I think this underestimates both candidates.

    Hillary would have loved to go up against a Rubio, a Kasich or, even better, a Cruz.

    By the same token, Trump has already dispatched mainstream heavyweights like Jeb Bush with ease it would take an exceptional Democrat to avoid falling victim to the same kind of tactics.
    Kasich or Rubio would have beaten Hillary (though maybe not Cruz), Sanders also polled better against Trump than Hillary does
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Right wing people, especially *hard* right, have better sex

    https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/771685430118846464

    But of course. "No woman was ever turned on by a man dressed as a liberal".

    It sort of makes sense.

    Alpha types who if we lived in a society without a state as animals do are the ones that would dominate, and are going to be in favour of a small state and freedom to do as they wish.

    Beta puny types who would be dominated by the alpha types are going to prefer a big state which regulates everything and gives them a more level playing field.

    Basically Dennis the Menace is right wing, Walter the softie is left wing.....
    It's very difficult to find a sexy male icon, beloved by women, who isn't alpha, dominant, and classically rightwing. From Darcy to Heathcliff, from Christian Gray (trillionaire businessman!) to Ross Poldark (dashing mine-captain), they are all Tories, Republicans or quasi-Fascist.

    In Highlander the brooding macho hero actually gives the feisty modern heroine a spanking, which caused much excitation in the largely female viewership.

    No liberal could ever administer a sincere spanking. He'd be worried about triggering. And have triplicate consent forms ready to be signed.
    You sound like a bit of an expert in this arena. Have many male icons asked you for, or delivered to you, a good hard spanking? ;)
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?

    Why would you ask if I'm being serious? Or do u think what that woman experienced wasn't shocking? TSE is right you are thick.
    More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... I listened from the 20 mins point for about 5 mins and it was very hard to make out what she had suffered other than coming from Germany and someone told her "made your bed so you lie in it". So could you help and explain what exactly she had suffered and how that had been substantiated by some other evidence?
    "More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... "- LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    Clearly you didn't bother listening then, you heard what you wanted to.She said she has lived here since the 70's and her neighbours and people who she thought were her friends and had even gone on coach trips with said they could no longer be friends with her because she is "foreign" people hear her accent and shout abuse at her, she has had dog poo on her window and is very afraid. I'm not saying it's representative of LEAVE voters at all but I found it a few days ago and thought it was shocking. I hope we can reach out to people and make sure they know they feel valued.

    People need to drop the Leave/Remain tribalism now.
    You could start by stopping posting REMAIN propaganda
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    MaxPB said:

    Does anyone know what Amazon's delivery to Switzerland is like, do they deduct VAT before the order?

    You may well find that there is a Swiss Amazon - we have one in Spain which is very good. You can also order from the UK but some don't deliver and some charge a lot in postage.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    edited September 2016
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    I remain of the view Hillary v Trump is basically a rehash of the 1968 election only as Nixon v Wallace and without Humphrey. I am also sticking to my view Hillary will win by less than 1% (as Nixon did then) and in the closest electoral college margin since 2000, with Trump winning Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Nevada and Iowa, Hillary Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia for a 273 to 265 victory
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    O/T

    The cat is now very old and not doing much so we have started to look at the possibilities of holidays, maybe as early as next year. One place we would both like to visit is the Falkland Islands, but how to get there?

    Leave aside for a moment my dislike of flying, there would seem to be two aeroplane routes. One run by a commercial company via Chile and one run by HMG out of RAF Brize Norton via Ascension. The RAF flight is a regular one for service purposes so it will be service standard of catering (crap food and no booze) and accommodation with some seats being flogged off to civies to make some cash for HMG. The Commercial service will be a commercial service with all the drawbacks and advantages that brings, it also requires an overnight stop in Chile.

    The difference in price? £1100! HMG charges £2200 whilst the commercial airline charges £1100. The MoD is having a laugh.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011

    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    "Why the Remainers are still clinging on to dreams of overturning Brexit...and how they hope to do it"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/02/why-the-remainers-are-still-clinging-on-to-dreams-of-overturning/

    Brexit means Brexit. We are going to trigger Article 50 come hell or high water just as soon as we have a cast-iron guarantee that we will have a better deal outside which should be in around 2099.

    Britain is leaving the European Union, and Sweden is joining the Euro.
    Sweden will leave the EU before it joins the Euro
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Some problems in Hillaryland in the first poll covering the Mexico-Immigration stunts:

    http://www.investors.com/politics/clinton-and-trump-are-tied-in-latest-ibdtipp-poll/

    Hillary 44 -2
    Trump 43 +4

    Trump 39 +4
    Hillary 39 nc
    Johnson 12 nc
    Stein 3 -2

    Hilary's 7 point lead reduced to a one point lead in a month surely can't just be down to the Convention bounce subsiding? What is she doing wrong?

    EDIT: I note there is still 15% of the non Trump/Clinton in those numbers, although the reduction in Stein's vote might indicate it is going to go to Trump if it is a knife-edge vote? (But was Stein really ever on 5%??)
    She is not doing anything wrong that hasn't been wrong about her all along. People dislike her only marginally less than they dislike the Donald. People trust her less than any politician in US history save the Donald. She has zero charisma, she is so bad at speaking off the cuff that her team won't let her do press conferences unless they absolutely can't avoid it. Even women don't like her.

    This is such a depressing choice.
    I remain of the view Hillary v Trump is basically a rehash of the 1968 election only as Nixon v Wallace and without Humphrey. I am also sticking to my view Hillary will win by less than 1% (as Nixon did then) and in the closest electoral college margin since 2000, with Trump winning Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Nevada and Iowa, Hillary Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia for a 273 to 265 victory
    yes I think that is very likely.
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    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?

    Why would you ask if I'm being serious? Or do u think what that woman experienced wasn't shocking? TSE is right you are thick.
    More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... I listened from the 20 mins point for about 5 mins and it was very hard to make out what she had suffered other than coming from Germany and someone told her "made your bed so you lie in it". So could you help and explain what exactly she had suffered and how that had been substantiated by some other evidence?
    "More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... "- LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    Clearly you didn't bother listening then, you heard what you wanted to.She said she has lived here since the 70's and her neighbours and people who she thought were her friends and had even gone on coach trips with said they could no longer be friends with her because she is "foreign" people hear her accent and shout abuse at her, she has had dog poo on her window and is very afraid. I'm not saying it's representative of LEAVE voters at all but I found it a few days ago and thought it was shocking. I hope we can reach out to people and make sure they know they feel valued.

    People need to drop the Leave/Remain tribalism now.
    You take her story as fact then. If you want "People to drop the Leave/Remain tribalism now" you would need to start with yourself and stop calling people stupid who supported LEAVE.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    runnymede said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    nunu "This is so shocking, go to about 20mins in. In middle class Chester!"

    Are you being serious or taking the P?

    Why would you ask if I'm being serious? Or do u think what that woman experienced wasn't shocking? TSE is right you are thick.
    More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... I listened from the 20 mins point for about 5 mins and it was very hard to make out what she had suffered other than coming from Germany and someone told her "made your bed so you lie in it". So could you help and explain what exactly she had suffered and how that had been substantiated by some other evidence?
    "More insults from the so superior REMAINers..... "- LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    Clearly you didn't bother listening then, you heard what you wanted to.She said she has lived here since the 70's and her neighbours and people who she thought were her friends and had even gone on coach trips with said they could no longer be friends with her because she is "foreign" people hear her accent and shout abuse at her, she has had dog poo on her window and is very afraid. I'm not saying it's representative of LEAVE voters at all but I found it a few days ago and thought it was shocking. I hope we can reach out to people and make sure they know they feel valued.

    People need to drop the Leave/Remain tribalism now.
    You could start by stopping posting REMAIN propaganda
    How is it remain propaganda? She was an actual woman you know. Jheeze.
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