Could people clogging up the threads with arguments about what they said at some past time please get a room?
Those who pat themselves on the back by quoting themselves and linking to a particular post deserve a special place in Smug Hell. It does nothing to endear them to me.
I have to say that on some streets I can't help feeling that the streetscape would be more agreeable if the burqua were compulsory, rather than banned...
I saw a woman in a niqab/burqa in my Camden Waitrose today. First time ever.
I fucking loathe it. Ban it.
Ban it immediately. Ban it.
I can beat that.
Just got back from Lynton and Lynmouth in North Devon.
I saw one there. On the beach. Full veil. Full Niqab/Burka. Everything.
In. North. Devon.
I was in Malmo, Sweden, last week, and saw, virtually adjacent, a topless woman and a woman in a burkini. Both looked quite nice. Neither of them seemed bothered by the other. People who worry about these things need to get a life, and men who think they have a special right to tell women what to wear should have a hard look in the mirror.
I was there last year, travelling from Copenhagen on the train. The modern art gallery was interesting, and the harbour area as well. That was when you could still travel between the cities without showing your passport which I think you have to do now.
If Blair had called a referendum on joining the Euro any time between 1997 and about 2003 he probably would have won it. That's how much things have changed over the last few years. And if we'd joined the Euro there would never have been any question about leaving the EU.
May I suggest you consider, for example, some of the remarks tonight about Alastair. Or the bizarre, verging on insane, hostility towards Mark Carney, of all people. Or the bizarre hostility towards Cameron and Osborne, or President Obama, or the IMF.
It really is odd. I don't recall anything like it, from the winning side. At least with the Scottish nationalists the bitterness was on the losing side.
I think Carney's got it wrong on interest rates. I think Cameron screwed up the negotiation, I thought Osborne and the IMF were predicting scary nonsense ( so far I'm looking more right than they are), and Obama should've known better than to interfere in a foreign state's vote (think the consensus is it badly backfired anyway).
Nothing bitter, just my honest views. As I said earlier, I'm intensely relaxed about both my vote and the outcome.
An article I read in the Speccie implied women in Burkas can act as outriders (citing France). First you get one, then several, and suddenly there are men with them verbally abusing white women and telling them to cover up.
May I suggest you consider, for example, some of the remarks tonight about Alastair. Or the bizarre, verging on insane, hostility towards Mark Carney, of all people. Or the bizarre hostility towards Cameron and Osborne, or President Obama, or the IMF.
It really is odd. I don't recall anything like it, from the winning side. At least with the Scottish nationalists the bitterness was on the losing side.
Tsk. You mistake gleeful vengeful gloating for bitterness (which is no surprise, as REMAINERS are emotionally dyslexic, hence their defeat).
We're not bitter. We're exultant in victory. And we're rubbing your nose in it.
Magnanimous in Victory, Gracious in Defeat does not involve rubbing noses in anything.
Bollocks. The REMAINERS are intent on calling us LEAVERS racists and xenophobes (see the loathsome Meeks today)
So fuck them. We voted the way we did for our country. And they call us Nazis?
They are a bunch of Cocksuckers and I am glad their world is ruined.
I'm not sure the latter is an insult for some here.
Nothing bitter, just my honest views. As I said earlier, I'm intensely relaxed about both my vote and the outcome.
Good for you. So am I, although I'm still very concerned about the medium-term (2 years or so) economic risks. Now that the decision has been taken, the key thing is to make sure we get the advantages of Brexit whilst mitigating, as far as possible, the disadvantages.
I saw a woman in a niqab/burqa in my Camden Waitrose today. First time ever.
I fucking loathe it. Ban it.
Ban it immediately. Ban it.
I can beat that.
Just got back from Lynton and Lynmouth in North Devon.
I saw one there. On the beach. Full veil. Full Niqab/Burka. Everything.
In. North. Devon.
I was in Malmo, Sweden, last week, and saw, virtually adjacent, a topless woman and a woman in a burkini. Both looked quite nice. Neither of them seemed bothered by the other. People who worry about these things need to get a life, and men who think they have a special right to tell women what to wear should have a hard look in the mirror.
I look at myself in the mirror every morning, and always make sure I am very comfortable in doing so, thank you.
Am I reading Theresa May's comments right? We're not going down the Norway route?
I think we're going down the UK route, as advised by senior German politicians. We are sui generis.
I did read somewhere the other day, the politicians that will be the biggest obstacle for the UK getting a good deal is not German or other EU politicians, but the hard Brexiteers in the Tory party.
I reckon Mrs May triggers article 50 next Feb, we get a rough outline of the deal by the summer of 2017, it will annoy the hard Brexiteers, she'll call an October general election and get a decent majority and will take that as the country endorsing her deal.
Absolute piffle, Young Darth Eagles. An election in Autumn 2017 ain't going to happen, let alone one caused by a split in the Conservative Party. Furthermore the outline of the deal (as opposed to HMG's wish list will not be known by that time).
If I didn't know you are now off the booze I would have ventured to suggest you had been dining well but not too wisely before you made that post. However, as I know that you are now sober as a wossname, how about a bet?
£50 to to the winners favourite charity that there will be no general election in 2017. What say you?
Go on then, so long as your favourite charity isn't the RSPCA
I'm off to write the morning thread.
I suspect you're going to like tomorrow afternoon's thread though.
You are on, Mr. Eagles. £50 quid that there will not be a General Election in 2017. Proceeds to the winner's charity of choice.
I most certainly will not be requiring you to pay £50 to the RSPCA, but I will give you a choice. Either Combat Stress (Formerly known as the Ex-Services Mental Welfare Society) or the RNLI.
An article I read in the Speccie implied women in Burkas can act as outriders (citing France). First you get one, then several, and suddenly there are men with them verbally abusing white women and telling them to cover up.
I was served by a pharmacist in a Burka in Boots a couple of years ago...
May I suggest you consider, for example, some of the remarks tonight about Alastair. Or the bizarre, verging on insane, hostility towards Mark Carney, of all people. Or the bizarre hostility towards Cameron and Osborne, or President Obama, or the IMF.
It really is odd. I don't recall anything like it, from the winning side. At least with the Scottish nationalists the bitterness was on the losing side.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
Cameron, Osborne and Obama got their tone badly wrong whilst getting the result badly wrong. One was on the way out anyway, two have lost their jobs as a result. Maybe they feel the hostility towards them bizarre too....but maybe they have an inkling of what went wrong.
The IMF got it wrong. Big surprise there.
I voted Leave. I didn't expect us to win. But we did. And I am as happy as Larry on his holidays.
Nothing bitter, just my honest views. As I said earlier, I'm intensely relaxed about both my vote and the outcome.
Good for you. So am I, although I'm still very concerned about the medium-term (2 years or so) economic risks. Now that the decision has been taken, the key thing is to make sure we get the advantages of Brexit whilst mitigating, as far as possible, the disadvantages.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
May I suggest you consider, for example, some of the remarks tonight about Alastair. Or the bizarre, verging on insane, hostility towards Mark Carney, of all people. Or the bizarre hostility towards Cameron and Osborne, or President Obama, or the IMF.
It really is odd. I don't recall anything like it, from the winning side. At least with the Scottish nationalists the bitterness was on the losing side.
Tsk. You mistake gleeful vengeful gloating for bitterness (which is no surprise, as REMAINERS are emotionally dyslexic, hence their defeat).
We're not bitter. We're exultant in victory. And we're rubbing your nose in it.
Magnanimous in Victory, Gracious in Defeat does not involve rubbing noses in anything.
I always remember the Yes Minister version, "In defeat, malice; in victory, revenge". Sounds much more realistic in our politics.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
If Blair had called a referendum on joining the Euro any time between 1997 and about 2003 he probably would have won it. That's how much things have changed over the last few years. And if we'd joined the Euro there would never have been any question about leaving the EU.
Nah, if he'd have won a referendum he'd have called it. He didn't as he'd have lost it.
I was served by a pharmacist in the Burka in Boots a couple of years ago...
I've never met anybody in a burka, but would it be wrong to say 'pleased not to meet you?'
I did find it quite shocking.
Personally I'm fairly relaxed with people wearing what they want to wear in general and wouldn't want to see a full ban on the Burka but when someone is doing a job that's bringing them into contact with the public on a daily basis, like a pharmacist, I do think Bruka's are fairly inappropriate...
Whilst we are all enjoying this splendid and convivial spat we should not forget the real victim of the referendum - a man suffering the loneliness of the dinner table, surrounded by the empty seats once occupied by friends who voted Leave.
I feel the remain side are on very thin ice complaining about the lies, xenophobia and racism of the leave side.
They set the tone with a barrage of project fear nonsense and lies, dodgy predictions and scare stories. They reaped the harvest from the seeds they were busy sowing before the campaign had even begun.
Personally I find the emotional link to the EU that some appear have a completely bizarre concept. In or out of the EU I am emotionally unaffected. It has practical influences, financial influences and no doubt other influences. However I remain emotionally unaffected and (hopefully) emotionally stable.
My relationship with any person within the EU is unchanged. I can travel, I will be able to travel, do business, fornicate or holiday. Life is too short to be emotionally tied to a political union.
I'm pleased to report that despite tonight's rancorous and unpleasant exchanges, we are living in Narnia compared to my Twitter TL, which currently resembles Stalingrad. Corbynites and Smithites are having difficulty with the uniting thang.
May I suggest you consider, for example, some of the remarks tonight about Alastair. Or the bizarre, verging on insane, hostility towards Mark Carney, of all people. Or the bizarre hostility towards Cameron and Osborne, or President Obama, or the IMF.
It really is odd. I don't recall anything like it, from the winning side. At least with the Scottish nationalists the bitterness was on the losing side.
Tsk. You mistake gleeful vengeful gloating for bitterness (which is no surprise, as REMAINERS are emotionally dyslexic, hence their defeat).
We're not bitter. We're exultant in victory. And we're rubbing your nose in it.
Magnanimous in Victory, Gracious in Defeat does not involve rubbing noses in anything.
Bollocks. The REMAINERS are intent on calling us LEAVERS racists and xenophobes (see the loathsome Meeks today)
So fuck them. We voted the way we did for our country. And they call us Nazis?
They are a bunch of Cocksuckers and I am glad their world is ruined.
For someone who claims not to be bitter, you sure sound like it.
Whilst we are all enjoying this splendid and convivial spat we should not forget the real victim of the referendum - a man suffering the loneliness of the dinner table, surrounded by the empty seats once occupied by friends who voted Leave.
Do not waste your time being nasty to remainers on here. For lo, there is so much more to look forward to. The US election. The French election. The Austrian Presidential re-run. The Italy vote thingy.
Its all set up to be completely wonderful.
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
But the BBC went round the country looking for Bregret after the catastrophic mistake vote.
As I do not know what Bregret looks like I can't say whether I've seen any or not, it might be like those Alien Big Cats that turn up every silly season.
If Blair had called a referendum on joining the Euro any time between 1997 and about 2003 he probably would have won it. That's how much things have changed over the last few years. And if we'd joined the Euro there would never have been any question about leaving the EU.
Nah, if he'd have won a referendum he'd have called it. He didn't as he'd have lost it.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
It goes with "all right thinking people agree that..."
The Brexit campaign exposed so many on PB for what they really think of others. The same was replicated across the MSM.
I've been astounded by the arrogant, sneering and superior anti-democratic attitude of a great many. Leavers were too stupid to have a vote seems to sum it up.
I now look back at so many decisions and see them through an entirely different lens. I discovered today that Cameron gave pay rises of up to 25% to his cronies just before they were canned.
What an arse. I've nothing but destain for him now.
Do not waste your time being nasty to remainers on here. For lo, there is so much more to look forward to. The US election. The French election. The Austrian Presidential re-run. The Italy vote thingy.
Its all set up to be completely wonderful.
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
If all those came to pass it would be the nail in the coffin for free trade in the western world and also would kill off the WTO. For good or ill it would also be the death knell of multiculturalism
I'm pleased to report that despite tonight's rancorous and unpleasant exchanges, we are living in Narnia compared to my Twitter TL, which currently resembles Stalingrad. Corbynites and Smithites are having difficulty with the uniting thang.
Any particularly juicy examples you can share with us?
Whilst we are all enjoying this splendid and convivial spat we should not forget the real victim of the referendum - a man suffering the loneliness of the dinner table, surrounded by the empty seats once occupied by friends who voted Leave.
Nah, Tyson never had that many friends....
When you're in love with yourself - who needs friends?
I'm pleased to report that despite tonight's rancorous and unpleasant exchanges, we are living in Narnia compared to my Twitter TL, which currently resembles Stalingrad. Corbynites and Smithites are having difficulty with the uniting thang.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
I think Trump will be an awful President, probably the worst in living memory at the least. But a bit of me views a Trump Presidency the way naughty schoolboys view a box of matches they've found. I promise to feel bad about it if he does start WW III.
May I say at this juncture that its not just people on here that have questioned Carney. There was an article in the Spectator calling for him to go.
Part of the deal when he took the job was that he could choose to quit after five years. I think it quite likely he will indeed depart early.
He is Goldman Sachs trained isn't he? In which case he will depart when he can do no more for his old firm but also at the maximum benefit for him personally. Hammond should just sling him out now (and GS out of the City).
Do not waste your time being nasty to remainers on here. For lo, there is so much more to look forward to. The US election. The French election. The Austrian Presidential re-run. The Italy vote thingy.
Its all set up to be completely wonderful.
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
I'm picking up a couple of dozen Trumpers a week on Twitter. There's something really weird going on - I don't think I had one when Romney was running,
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
It goes with "all right thinking people agree that..."
The Brexit campaign exposed so many on PB for what they really think of others. The same was replicated across the MSM.
I've been astounded by the arrogant, sneering and superior anti-democratic attitude of a great many. Leavers were too stupid to have a vote seems to sum it up.
I now look back at so many decisions and see them through an entirely different lens. I discovered today that Cameron gave pay rises of up to 25% to his cronies just before they were canned.
What an arse. I've nothing but destain for him now.
Well said, Miss P. (save for the spelling mistake in the last sentence obviously)
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
I think Trump will be an awful President, probably the worst in living memory at the least. But a bit of me views a Trump Presidency the way naughty schoolboys view a box of matches they've found. I promise to feel bad about it if he does start WW III.
I think Trump is less likely to cause WW III than Hillary.
Trump is isolationist. Hillary speaks as though she has learnt nothing from the US setting the Middle East ablaze.
(Though if I had a vote, I wouldn’t bother to cast it).
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
It almost certainly was a hate crime, whatever the merits of BREXIT the Polish community are generally hard working and law abiding and they do not deserve this
I'm pleased to report that despite tonight's rancorous and unpleasant exchanges, we are living in Narnia compared to my Twitter TL, which currently resembles Stalingrad. Corbynites and Smithites are having difficulty with the uniting thang.
Any particularly juicy examples you can share with us?
Traitorous careerist c*nt is my current favourite. It does terrible things to one's tongue if you try and say it repeatedly.
I will say that I will never again allow Labour to claim the moral high ground, or assert that the Conservatives are the nasty party. That goose has well and truly flown.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
I think Trump will be an awful President, probably the worst in living memory at the least. But a bit of me views a Trump Presidency the way naughty schoolboys view a box of matches they've found. I promise to feel bad about it if he does start WW III.
I think Trump is less likely to cause WW III than Hillary.
Trump is isolationist. Hillary speaks as though she has learnt nothing from the US setting the Middle East ablaze.
(Though if I had a vote, I wouldn’t bother to cast it).
Trump (following on from BREXIT) would introduce a new era of global nationalism and protectionism not seen since the 30s, Hillary could well set the Middle East ablaze
''think Trump will be an awful President, probably the worst in living memory at the least. ''
America is a democracy, and a pretty logjammed one at that. The chances of Trump doing much radical or damaging are I think limited.
And this campaign is showing he is learning as he goes. He knew he needed to reorientate his campaign - enter Farage stage left.
I'm not worried about Trump as POTUS at all. I think he'll be pretty sensible and as you say constrained by the system. He will do great rhetoric and be a lot more robust about looking after his country.
I can't knock that given my enthusiasm for Brexit.
Traitorous careerist c*nt is my current favourite. It does terrible things to one's tongue if you try and say it repeatedly.
I will say that I will never again allow Labour to claim the moral high ground, or assert that the Conservatives are the nasty party. That goose has well and truly flown.
Worse still, that shows a deplorable lack of imagination in framing the insult. Perhaps we could second SeanT to show them how it should be done?
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
(Though if I had a vote, I wouldn’t bother to cast it).
Even applying my usual "vote for the least awful" rule I think I would have no enthusiasm to vote for either of them. The bloke with a welly on his head would probably get my vote.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
It almost certainly was a hate crime, whatever the merits of BREXIT the Polish community are generally hard working and law abiding and they do not deserve this
Of course they don't and RIP to the poor man, but do remember the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16, far too young to be LEAVE voters.
Traitorous careerist c*nt is my current favourite. It does terrible things to one's tongue if you try and say it repeatedly.
I will say that I will never again allow Labour to claim the moral high ground, or assert that the Conservatives are the nasty party. That goose has well and truly flown.
Worse still, that shows a deplorable lack of imagination in framing the insult. Perhaps we could second SeanT to show them how it should be done?
@SeanT is of course the gold standard for throwing insults. In fairness, there are so many @s in the tweets, people are having to hurl invective in about 30 characters, which militates against truly poetic rancour.
I'm pleased to report that despite tonight's rancorous and unpleasant exchanges, we are living in Narnia compared to my Twitter TL, which currently resembles Stalingrad. Corbynites and Smithites are having difficulty with the uniting thang.
Any particularly juicy examples you can share with us?
Traitorous careerist c*nt is my current favourite. It does terrible things to one's tongue if you try and say it repeatedly.
I will say that I will never again allow Labour to claim the moral high ground, or assert that the Conservatives are the nasty party. That goose has well and truly flown.
Brookes in today's Times had a real Steve Bell cartoon with Brexit Tories as Nazis as a tribute to Gene Wilder - not impressed. It'd be a novelty to see a right wing cartoonist for once. I usually like Brooke's but this was OTT.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
Question for the smart people here. Do you think Theresa May will substantially bring down immigration? I had assumed Brexit wouldn't make much difference to levels of immigration beyond a possible recession effect. Immigration levels are high principally because it suits governments for it to be high, rather because they were unwillingly forced into it by the EU, and because successful open globalised economies tend to have high immigration levels. However, reducing immigration seems to be Theresa May's main objective and that's largely guiding the Brexit strategies. The other point of course is that she completely failed to tackle the problem while Home Secretary.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murder rate (~0.9 per 100k) and the Polish population (~800-900k), there are going to be fatal attacks on Polish residents. We should at least keep that in mind before we rush to judgement on the teens.
Re the Burka I always understood that it was normally the husbands wish if it is worn though occasionally some women choose to do so. Maybe I have that incorrect
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
Question for the smart people here. Do you think Theresa May will substantially bring down immigration? I had assumed Brexit wouldn't make much difference to levels of immigration beyond a possible recession effect. Immigration levels are high principally because it suits governments for it to be high, rather because they were unwillingly forced into it by the EU, and because successful open globalised economies tend to have high immigration levels. However, reducing immigration seems to be Theresa May's main objective and that's largely guiding the Brexit strategies. The other point of course is that she completely failed to tackle the problem while Home Secretary.
Seriously? The collective average IQ is probably one of the highest for forum talk.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murder rate (~0.9 per 100k) and the Polish population (~800-900k), there are going to be fatal attacks on Polish residents. We should at least keep that in mind before we rush to judgement on the teens.
RIP to the poor man, but do remember the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16, far too young to be LEAVE voters.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone betting on the insights of Sean Fear, or almost anyone else. Leavers, Remainers, foreigners, the City, the pollsters, most journalists, and I got it wrong, at least until the last moment. For that matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murder rate (~0.9 per 100k) and the Polish population (~800-900k), there are going to be fatal attacks on Polish residents. We should at least keep that in mind before we rush to judgement on the teens.
RIP to the poor man, but do remember the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16, far too young to be LEAVE voters.
But old enough to leave school and well above the age of criminal responsibility
Question for the smart people here. Do you think Theresa May will substantially bring down immigration? I had assumed Brexit wouldn't make much difference to levels of immigration beyond a possible recession effect. Immigration levels are high principally because it suits governments for it to be high, rather because they were unwillingly forced into it by the EU, and because successful open globalised economies tend to have high immigration levels. However, reducing immigration seems to be Theresa May's main objective and that's largely guiding the Brexit strategies. The other point of course is that she completely failed to tackle the problem while Home Secretary.
Mr. 43, I don't know, and nor I suspect do you, what policies on immigration that TM wanted to introduce but which were denied by Cameron. So I shouldn't go by past performance if I were you.
Now the Lady is sitting in the big chair let us see how she gets on.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murder rate (~0.9 per 100k) and the Polish population (~800-900k), there are going to be fatal attacks on Polish residents. We should at least keep that in mind before we rush to judgement on the teens.
RIP to the poor man, but do remember the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16, far too young to be LEAVE voters.
But old enough to leave school and well above the age of criminal responsibility
You wrote this earlier in the thread:
certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive
''Question for the smart people here. Do you think Theresa May will substantially bring down immigration? ''
I doubt it. For me, it doesn't matter. What matters is quality and type. More doctors and engineers please. Fewer low skilled workers, health tourists, people traffickers, crims and people wanting benefits.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murd
RIP to the poor man, but do remember the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16, far too young to be LEAVE voters.
But old enough to leave school and well above the age of criminal responsibility
You wrote this earlier in the thread:
certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive
There have been plenty of reports of racist behaviour against the Polish community in Harlow, many of the perpetrators were certainly over 18
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murd
RIP to the poor man, but do remember the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16, far too young to be LEAVE voters.
But old enough to leave school and well above the age of criminal responsibility
You wrote this earlier in the thread:
certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive
There have been plenty of reports of racist behaviour against the Polish community in Harlow, many of the perpetrators were certainly over 18
Question for the smart people here. Do you think Theresa May will substantially bring down immigration? I had assumed Brexit wouldn't make much difference to levels of immigration beyond a possible recession effect. Immigration levels are high principally because it suits governments for it to be high, rather because they were unwillingly forced into it by the EU, and because successful open globalised economies tend to have high immigration levels. However, reducing immigration seems to be Theresa May's main objective and that's largely guiding the Brexit strategies. The other point of course is that she completely failed to tackle the problem while Home Secretary.
It's not the case that she failed to tackle the problem whilst Home Secretary; she tackled the bits she could, and we now have a really quite strict regime for non-EU immigration. But there were countervailing forces outside her control: EU migration, students, the pull of the UK economy doing better at job creation than the continent, and the fall in emigration (which accounts for about 100,000 of the missed target).
On the general point, I think you are right to question how different things will be in the Brexit world. In numeric terms, the economy, and the natural fall-off one would expect in Romanian and Bulgarian net immigration as things settle down, will have an effect which may be as great or greater than 'taking back control'. I'd expect net immigration to fall from around 2018, perhaps, but I think her re-assertion of the 'tens of thousands' target is very optimistic.
Alastair was monumentally wrong. He may have been doing his posts for click-bait, or maybe because he really was that blind-sided by reality.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
As would someone matter, I don't seem to recall you advising us to bet on Leave. There's no dishonour in that; indeed, if you're a really, really good pundit, you'll be wrong exactly one in five times on a 1-4 odds-on bet.
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
WHAT UTTERLY BIZARRE BITTERNESS???? It's inside your head.....
Exactly. There is no bitterness. I just presume REMAINERS are so maddened by defeat they WANT bitterness.
Worry, yes. Optimism tinged with anxiety, perhaps. Exalting happiness, yup.
I haven't met a single *bitter* Brexiteer. Not one. Not one. Daft.
The REMAINERS have lost all emotional insight.
Mind you the murder of the Pole in Harlow on Saturday was appalling, certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive. That is the sourest aspect of the BREXIT vote
I'd wager the people responsible were not Leave voters
Nope, the alleged perpetrators were 15 or 16.
Just the thought that it might be Brexit-related is saddening. I feel very sorry for Mr Jozwik and his family; they must be devastated.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murd
RIP to the poor
But old enough to leave school and well above the age of criminal responsibility
You wrote this earlier in the thread:
certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive
There have been plenty of reports of racist behaviour against the Polish community in Harlow, many of the perpetrators were certainly over 18
But NOT in this case, were they?
They were certainly influenced by the same phenomona
Boris, Fox and Davis WILL have an agreed Brexit strategy in place within the next few months.
Theresa WILL trigger A50 early next year.
British position sounds like it's NOT "that fussed" about staying in the Single Market.
Sounds about right Mr. Gin, though I doubt Fox has much of a role to play in terms of the exit strategy. His job is talking to people outside the EU and feeding in any relevant information.
Question for the smart people here. Do you think Theresa May will substantially bring down immigration? I had assumed Brexit wouldn't make much difference to levels of immigration beyond a possible recession effect. Immigration levels are high principally because it suits governments for it to be high, rather because they were unwillingly forced into it by the EU, and because successful open globalised economies tend to have high immigration levels. However, reducing immigration seems to be Theresa May's main objective and that's largely guiding the Brexit strategies. The other point of course is that she completely failed to tackle the problem while Home Secretary.
Mr. 43, I don't know, and nor I suspect do you, what policies on immigration that TM wanted to introduce but which were denied by Cameron. So I shouldn't go by past performance if I were you.
Now the Lady is sitting in the big chair let us see how she gets on.
Previous failure could be a motivation. She seems determined not just to "control" immigration in a philosophical sense but substantially reduce it. But she is not the first to promise that and was in charge of the department that failed to deliver the previous promise to do so.
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Nothing bitter, just my honest views. As I said earlier, I'm intensely relaxed about both my vote and the outcome.
I most certainly will not be requiring you to pay £50 to the RSPCA, but I will give you a choice. Either Combat Stress (Formerly known as the Ex-Services Mental Welfare Society) or the RNLI.
Looking forward to tomorrow afternoon's thread.
This is a betting site. Anybody betting based on his "insights" would have lost money. Maybe just a short apology would have been appropriate?
Cameron, Osborne and Obama got their tone badly wrong whilst getting the result badly wrong. One was on the way out anyway, two have lost their jobs as a result. Maybe they feel the hostility towards them bizarre too....but maybe they have an inkling of what went wrong.
The IMF got it wrong. Big surprise there.
I voted Leave. I didn't expect us to win. But we did. And I am as happy as Larry on his holidays.
I've never met anybody in a burka, but would it be wrong to say 'pleased not to meet you?'
So why this utterly bizarre bitterness?
Personally I'm fairly relaxed with people wearing what they want to wear in general and wouldn't want to see a full ban on the Burka but when someone is doing a job that's bringing them into contact with the public on a daily basis, like a pharmacist, I do think Bruka's are fairly inappropriate...
They set the tone with a barrage of project fear nonsense and lies, dodgy predictions and scare stories. They reaped the harvest from the seeds they were busy sowing before the campaign had even begun.
Personally I find the emotional link to the EU that some appear have a completely bizarre concept. In or out of the EU I am emotionally unaffected. It has practical influences, financial influences and no doubt other influences. However I remain emotionally unaffected and (hopefully) emotionally stable.
My relationship with any person within the EU is unchanged. I can travel, I will be able to travel, do business, fornicate or holiday. Life is too short to be emotionally tied to a political union.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html
Do not waste your time being nasty to remainers on here. For lo, there is so much more to look forward to. The US election. The French election. The Austrian Presidential re-run. The Italy vote thingy.
Its all set up to be completely wonderful.
A trump win alone. Hell knows what he would do, if anything. I rather think he's like that footie mascot who won an election and then turned up in a shirt and tie.
But the media reaction alone.....well.....too delicious to contemplate. Could we really be that lucky?
catastrophic mistakevote.As I do not know what Bregret looks like I can't say whether I've seen any or not, it might be like those Alien Big Cats that turn up every silly season.
A gay friend went to an STD clinic after an unfortunate incident. The doctor was a muslim lady not in a burka but a quite conservative hijab.
He said he found her talking about his bits in a strong indian accent quite hilarious.
The Brexit campaign exposed so many on PB for what they really think of others. The same was replicated across the MSM.
I've been astounded by the arrogant, sneering and superior anti-democratic attitude of a great many. Leavers were too stupid to have a vote seems to sum it up.
I now look back at so many decisions and see them through an entirely different lens. I discovered today that Cameron gave pay rises of up to 25% to his cronies just before they were canned.
What an arse. I've nothing but destain for him now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-37234997
America is a democracy, and a pretty logjammed one at that. The chances of Trump doing much radical or damaging are I think limited.
And this campaign is showing he is learning as he goes. He knew he needed to reorientate his campaign - enter Farage stage left.
Trump is isolationist. Hillary speaks as though she has learnt nothing from the US setting the Middle East ablaze.
(Though if I had a vote, I wouldn’t bother to cast it).
- Grand Ayatollah Nudistani.
fair enough, though I doubt anybody in a Burka would be prepared to shake my hand anyway.
I will say that I will never again allow Labour to claim the moral high ground, or assert that the Conservatives are the nasty party. That goose has well and truly flown.
I can't knock that given my enthusiasm for Brexit.
I did reflect a little on the likelihood. Given the UK murder rate (~0.9 per 100k) and the Polish population (~800-900k), there are going to be fatal attacks on Polish residents. We should at least keep that in mind before we rush to judgement on the teens.
Re the Burka I always understood that it was normally the husbands wish if it is worn though occasionally some women choose to do so. Maybe I have that incorrect
Now the Lady is sitting in the big chair let us see how she gets on.
certainly there seem to be some, even if only a tiny minority of Leave voters, who think the Leave victory gives them the right to be racist and repulsive
Boris, Fox and Davis WILL have an agreed Brexit strategy in place within the next few months.
Theresa WILL trigger A50 early next year.
British position sounds like it's NOT "that fussed" about staying in the Single Market.
It's the Sunil wot won it!
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/752644694140719104
I doubt it. For me, it doesn't matter. What matters is quality and type. More doctors and engineers please. Fewer low skilled workers, health tourists, people traffickers, crims and people wanting benefits.
On the general point, I think you are right to question how different things will be in the Brexit world. In numeric terms, the economy, and the natural fall-off one would expect in Romanian and Bulgarian net immigration as things settle down, will have an effect which may be as great or greater than 'taking back control'. I'd expect net immigration to fall from around 2018, perhaps, but I think her re-assertion of the 'tens of thousands' target is very optimistic.
Knowing that they know that we know that they know ....