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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited August 2016
    LibDemVoice has become daily reading during my lunch break. The constant whining is very entertaining. Coupled with the Guardian I am guaranteed at least a quarter of an hour's worth of free entertainment.

    I particularly enjoyed reading the following article this evening.

    "Andrew George writes…Can progressives unite to defeat the Tories?"
    http://www.libdemvoice.org/can-progressives-unite-to-defeat-the-tories-51661.html

    Whine, whine, whine, evil Tories, whine, whine, whine, life is not fair, whine, whine, whine, overturn referendum result, whine, whine, whine.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    JackW said:

    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.

    And of course Trump has done much to endear himself to the AA community. Large scale polling of AA voters shows Trump barely moving the dial above 1-2%

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/
    his dad was notoriously racist, trump himself in the past has attacked affirmative action and the release of innocent black kids for a crime they didnt commit and started up that ridiculous birther movement.

    i think that 1-2% is overatating his supporrt
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Time to splash out on air conditioning.
    Not even sure it's allowed. My flat is in a listed building. Grade 2 terrace.

    I am reduced to plonking extra ice in my G&T.

    No external units allowed for Grade 2 properties but you could try here.

    http://www.coolyoudirect.co.uk/residential/listed-buildings/
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited August 2016
    On topic.

    No United Ireland in 2020 at 1-8 on looks like free money to me.

    £100 on that would get you £112.50 back in 2020 which isnt a bad rate of interest these days.

    A bet on 2030 or 2040 would be quite interesting though. Increasingly, not least on social issues Unionists are moving away from the mainstream UK view.

    At some point protestant Irish Nationalism (which is basically what Democratic Unionism is) may decide it has more in common with Catholic Irish Nationslism than the UK.

    I can see a federal Ireland with NI as a sort of semi independent Hong Kong with the assembly retaining its current powers being reasonably doable.

    I think the big sticking point would be the head of state. Ireland rejoining the commonwealth is again quite do able but NI being part of a republic or RoI having the Queen as head of state with the president in dublin castle renamed governor general is incendiary and I would say unthinkable.

    Maybe some fudge will be made with co-heads of state or something.

    Or maybe when the EU collapses the RoI might rejoin the UK or some sort of austro hungarian federation of the isles.

    Either way I think the main roadblocks to unity will be symbolic things rather than things that affect the way the place is governed.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800

    Mr. Omnium, indeed. I've never been persuaded by Star Trek's utopian view of mankind coming together.

    Our history is one of near-constant conflict interspersed by brief periods of peace.

    Do I detect some element of Roman history up your sleeve awaiting my inevitable reply?

    Hey, but how great would it be to have someone else's 'Roman history' to read up on. Julius Alien, who failed to eat all of his siblings children, and therefore baffled all of Alien Rome.

    Another argument against our Cixin Liu's idea is that other civilisations offer far too much intellectual mirth and entertainment to destroy. Imagine the notion that we might rid ourselves of the Labour Party!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited August 2016
    weejonnie said:

    JackW said:

    You might not have noticed in your Clintonstruck delirium that McCain and Romney were up against an African while your paramour is hideously white.

    Dear god I hadn't noticed Obama was black and Clinton white ....

    I revise my estimate. Trump gets 3% AA vote ....
    Trump's a superpredator.
    Trump is deliberately targeting black votes which are nowhere near as entrenched as in 2008 and 2012 (and probably harder to reach by the pollsters).

    (In 2012 a greater percentage of blacks voted than Hispanics/ Latinos and non-college educated whites and they all voted Democrat for some reason. If that vote weakens substantially e.g. down to the levels of Hispanics/ Latinos then Trump wins (all things being equal).)
    Not plausible. A case that AA turnout will be lower than for Obama is pretty copper bottomed though.

    Who was the last Republican to get more than 10% of the AA vote? Eisenhower? Or even further back than that?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    John_M said:

    Omnium said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Cixin Liu in his "Three Body Problem" and sequel has a sort of interesting take on this. (Spolier) He suggests that the logical conclusion is that any civilisation that is careless enough to broadcast its existence becomes a "must-kill" for any civilisation detecting their signals. It has some sense to it. Bit gloomy mind.
    This is the thrust of Greg Bear's 'The Forge of God' and 'Anvil of Stars' duology. The first has the only credible alien invasion I've ever read.
    If nothing else those are awesome titles, I want to read them right now (I have read some Greg Bear, recall liking him).
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    weejonnie said:

    Trump is deliberately targeting black votes which are nowhere near as entrenched as in 2008 and 2012 (and probably harder to reach by the pollsters).

    (In 2012 a greater percentage of blacks voted than Hispanics/ Latinos and non-college educated whites and they all voted Democrat for some reason. If that vote weakens substantially e.g. down to the levels of Hispanics/ Latinos then Trump wins (all things being equal).)

    Very funny .... :smiley:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/trumps-perplexing-play-for-black-voters/496991/
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Omnium, I caught a bit of a Stargate: SG-1 episode yesterday (the one where the replicators had conquered the Asgard homeworld). The human form replicator First expressed surprise that O'Neill amused him [although that didn't stop him torturing O'Neill].
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited August 2016
    Channel 5 news and Cobyns response to train gate words to the affect off....

    The point is many trains are full and people have to stand......

    Yes they are Jez except the train you chose to exhibit you're tokenism on in front of video CCTV you utter dipstick. I mean how hard is it to find a full train, even Jez said so.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800

    Mr. Omnium, I caught a bit of a Stargate: SG-1 episode yesterday (the one where the replicators had conquered the Asgard homeworld). The human form replicator First expressed surprise that O'Neill amused him [although that didn't stop him torturing O'Neill].

    I may start to prefer your normal specialist subject.
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    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Not plausible. A case that AA turnout will be lower than for Obama is pretty copper bottomed though.

    Who was the last Republican to get more than 10% of the AA vote? Eisenhower? Or even further back than that?

    Scroll down a few paras :

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Moses_ said:

    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....

    Is Branston going to end up being prosecuted for breaching Jezza's privacy? :smiley:
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    kle4 said:

    John_M said:

    Omnium said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Cixin Liu in his "Three Body Problem" and sequel has a sort of interesting take on this. (Spolier) He suggests that the logical conclusion is that any civilisation that is careless enough to broadcast its existence becomes a "must-kill" for any civilisation detecting their signals. It has some sense to it. Bit gloomy mind.
    This is the thrust of Greg Bear's 'The Forge of God' and 'Anvil of Stars' duology. The first has the only credible alien invasion I've ever read.
    If nothing else those are awesome titles, I want to read them right now (I have read some Greg Bear, recall liking him).
    I wholeheartedly recommend them. The second novel has what I would consider to be 'realistic' interstellar war.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Omnium, both classical history and Stargate: SG-1 are excellent. As is F1. [Unsure if you were referring to classical history or F1].
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    GIN1138 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....

    Is Branston going to end up being prosecuted for breaching Jezza's privacy? :smiley:
    That'd be a right pickle!

    Any thought's on Mr Branson's intervention?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Moses_ said:

    Channel 5 news and Cobyns response to train gate words to the affect off....

    The point is many trains are full and people have to stand......

    Yes they are Jez except the train you chose to exhibit you're tokenism on in front of video CCTV you utter dipstick. I mean how hard is it to find a full train, even Jez said so.

    Exactly. He may or may not have had a valid point, and plenty of people support renationalising train services, but he misrepresented his situation, even though it was unnecessary. That's the stupid thing. He wanted to jazz up his point, and people loved the humble man sat on the floor for 3 hours shtick, and now he's upset because people are focusing on him simulating the problem rather than experiencing the problem as he claimed?

    It's not as bad as Anthony Weiner acting annoyed that reporters kept asking about all those times he kept sending pictures of his penis to women on line, when he wanted to focus on his trying to run for Democratic candidate for Mayor, but it's the same style.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Omnium said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....

    Is Branston going to end up being prosecuted for breaching Jezza's privacy? :smiley:
    That'd be a right pickle!

    Any thought's on Mr Branson's intervention?
    Who? :smiley:
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    Moses_ said:

    Channel 5 news and Cobyns response to train gate words to the affect off....

    The point is many trains are full and people have to stand......

    Yes they are Jez except the train you chose to exhibit you're tokenism on in front of video CCTV you utter dipstick. I mean how hard is it to find a full train, even Jez said so.

    If it had really been rammed full there would not have been enough room for someone to stand back and take a photo of him
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    edited August 2016
    Looks like the bubble might be bursting on lovely Nicola... :(

    Meanwhile Nigel Farage is about to hit the campaign trail with The Donald!

    Crazy 2016 continues! :smiley:
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    JackW said:

    Not plausible. A case that AA turnout will be lower than for Obama is pretty copper bottomed though.

    Who was the last Republican to get more than 10% of the AA vote? Eisenhower? Or even further back than that?

    Scroll down a few paras :

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/
    Jack in the 'hood. Keeping it real. Lol.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JackW said:

    Not plausible. A case that AA turnout will be lower than for Obama is pretty copper bottomed though.

    Who was the last Republican to get more than 10% of the AA vote? Eisenhower? Or even further back than that?

    Scroll down a few paras :

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/
    My guess of Eisenhower was not far off then!
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Time to dig out the Project Orion plans.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800

    Mr. Omnium, both classical history and Stargate: SG-1 are excellent. As is F1. [Unsure if you were referring to classical history or F1].

    MD, you're a nice fellow and all. However, conceding ground on Classical history, Sci-fi, and F1 is enough to make even the yellowest of PBers dig in!



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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Omnium, come on. Even Lib Dems must've enjoyed the Spanish result ;)

    Mr. M, to be fair, most people thought the single currency was deranged.
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    kle4 said:

    I await being four yorkshiremaned.

    Fan heater? You can afford a fan heater? Bloody luxury! etc. etc. etc. :smiley:

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Laughing at millionaire London writers and lawyers complaining about the hot weather.
    From my pokey £100k flat with fantastic air conditioning at a comforting 21 degrees :D
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited August 2016
    619 said:

    Dromedary said:

    Is Nigel Farage losing it? He's agreed to address a Trump rally, but he says he won't "fall into the trap" of "endorsing" Trump. What will he do then? Tell people to vote their conscience?

    If only they could get Marine Le Pen there, they could call it a triple! Grins all round at the Russian embassy! She could appear as "Madame Frexit".

    they will all enthuse the silent trump voters. so silent they wont even tell the republicans private polls or rammussen about voting trump.

    saying that, assuming the usa avoids a fascist leader, im thinking france will get one first
    On that assumption, yes, but the US might not avoid one.

    The police are hassling Muslim women on the Nice beach who don't show enough skin. They are fining them for wearing what some people idiotically call "burkinis". That is a totally misleading term, because the costume is basically baggy swimming pyjamas with a headscarf. It's not like a burqa which covers everything and the woman looks through a piece of mesh. The scene shown in this picture is quite outrageous - a woman is causing nobody any trouble, she is just enjoying being on the beach, and she's getting hassled and fined by the police because she's not showing enough skin. And bear in mind that this is happening on the beach by the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, where the recent massacre took place. The French government either has absolutely no idea about how to avoid ethnic fighting, or it is deliberately trying to stir up such fighting, perhaps all the way to civil war.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/08/24/106631785-burkini-nice-NEWS-large_trans++5yQLQqeH37t50SCyM4-zeFX_50byq9Ah3wJAV0YS_Ms.jpg
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Omnium said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Moses_ said:

    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....

    Is Branston going to end up being prosecuted for breaching Jezza's privacy? :smiley:
    That'd be a right pickle!

    Any thought's on Mr Branson's intervention?
    Do you have any rights to privacy while in a public space in the UK? I know you do not in the US. Indeed, you have no rights to privacy (at least visual privacy) in your own home if you are visible from public space.

    Or is the catch here to do with the digital nature of the data?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    John_M said:

    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.

    And is entirely out-of-order in doing so. Economics is currently broken. Everyone knew it was voodoo science, and now they have to own up. There are things that we have learned along the way, and there are actually well-founded economic models. Reality and any sort of scientific economics are still though far apart.

    I think that there are quite a few economists that believe that to be true, and there are certainly some, but inevitably admitting such a thing makes their entire knowledge-base worthless.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Dromedary, must agree. I can see the reasoning for a niqab/burkha ban, but a woman wearing a suit and a hijab would be just as covered, yet nobody would object.

    It's an emotional rather than a rational response. France has been hit by many attacks in a short space of time, by an enemy against whom they can't easily retaliate. A burkha ban is defensible, but I don't think the 'burkhini' ban is.

    Now the media's pretending terror attacks aren't happening to try and stop any response or copycat attacks (which are happening anyway, because people use social media).
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    We've had Planes and Trains. I was patiently waiting for Automobiles when this thread was cruelly diverted onto spaceships.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800

    Mr. Omnium, come on. Even Lib Dems must've enjoyed the Spanish result ;)

    Mr. M, to be fair, most people thought the single currency was deranged.

    They backed Hannibal?

    With the LD's today there are many elephants in the room.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    To clarify, he was complaining how hot our flat is.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    edited August 2016
    Dr. Foxinsox, plus, there are maybe 1-2 weeks a year on average where it'd be nice to be cooler, and many more weeks when it'd be nice to be warmer.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Meeks, glad to hear your better half is back home. Hope he's continuing to recover.
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    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    To clarify, he was complaining how hot our flat is.
    Glad to hear he's home.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Looks like our good mentally deranged friends are at it again http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/24/report-kabuls-american-university-siege/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    To clarify, he was complaining how hot our flat is.
    I didn't think he was boasting about how hot you are.

    That would be channelling SeanT a little too far!

    Good to hear he is back home.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    To clarify, he was complaining how hot our flat is.
    Glad to hear he's home.
    Strictly, he's only allowed out for afternoons for now (he has an infection in his head wound that needs further monitoring) but it's a start. He's otherwise making a very good recovery.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    I'm still waiting for a sensible argument as to why nationalisation will reduce overcrowding on trains. Beyond making the service so shite that nobody wants to travel that way.

    The whole argument doesn't really have much to do with improving the customer experience, just a preference that if the customer is going to have a poor experience it is better that nobody makes a profit out of it.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    John_M said:

    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.

    Yes, I've just started it. Very good so far, not as one dimensional as I thought it might be either.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Anyway, having reached a fuzzy word count target, I shall leave the sauna and be off for the night.

    Hope it cools down soon.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    Insulation works both ways, it should keep heat out as well as in. If a new home is left during the day with the windows shut and the blinds all closed then the owner should walk into a fairly cool house, not more than 23C.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    Now, trying to keep up with British slang, was that an example of humblebragging?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    MTimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    Now, trying to keep up with British slang, was that an example of humblebragging?
    No such word. There may have been the slightest embers of word formation going on there, but you had to ask the question.. killed it dead. A bit like Schroedingers cats.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    edited August 2016
    John_M said:

    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.

    It's an excellent book marred by a number of quite glaring factual errors. The second edition will be better :)

    Edit to add: the Mathew Lynn book on Greece and the Euro (Bust) is also well worth a read. In fact, I'd say it's a better book that Stiglitz's.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Need to be careful what you send though.

    There is a truly dreadful film at the moment called Pixels (I'd actively encourage people to avoid it, but they only change the films on BA once a month...)

    A halfway interesting concept though - in the 1980s copies of video games were sent out to space and the aliens that received them assumed they were a challenge...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    I remember my secondary school building was freezing cold in winter and boiling hot in summer. Whoever designed it should have been shot.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Gin 1138

    Looks like you have been drinking your nom de plume. Where is the evidence that the SNP under the fair Nicola is doing anything other than riding high?
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Need to be careful what you send though.

    There is a truly dreadful film at the moment called Pixels (I'd actively encourage people to avoid it, but they only change the films on BA once a month...)

    A halfway interesting concept though - in the 1980s copies of video games were sent out to space and the aliens that received them assumed they were a challenge...
    Contact opened with the aliens sending back the first signal the received - in this case Hitler's opening speech to the 1936 olympics.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    weejonnie said:
    Definitely not a safe space........
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited August 2016

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    The problem is that British buildings are designed to keep heat in rather than out.

    Our clinic rooms are rather stifling too.

    But a walk across the Leics fields with the hound is very reviving!
    To clarify, he was complaining how hot our flat is.
    Glad to hear he's home.
    Strictly, he's only allowed out for afternoons for now (he has an infection in his head wound that needs further monitoring) but it's a start. He's otherwise making a very good recovery.
    No small thanks to you. You're a sweet and attentive spouse. All that any of us could wish for.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Need to be careful what you send though.

    There is a truly dreadful film at the moment called Pixels (I'd actively encourage people to avoid it, but they only change the films on BA once a month...)

    A halfway interesting concept though - in the 1980s copies of video games were sent out to space and the aliens that received them assumed they were a challenge...
    Or better yet Hitler:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhIEfxRLiPI
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    :smiley:

    Momentum Rugby
    Harsh https://t.co/pK3OcBNiSi
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    JackW said:

    You might not have noticed in your Clintonstruck delirium that McCain and Romney were up against an African while your paramour is hideously white.

    Dear god I hadn't noticed Obama was black and Clinton white ....

    I revise my estimate. Trump gets 3% AA vote ....
    Trump's a superpredator.
    He'll eat his own campaign alive.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
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    eekeek Posts: 25,020
    edited August 2016
    rcs1000 said:



    It's an excellent book marred by a number of quite glaring factual errors. The second edition will be better :)

    Edit to add: the Mathew Lynn book on Greece and the Euro (Bust) is also well worth a read. In fact, I'd say it's a better book that Stiglitz's.

    Before I pick the book up I take it the errors are sidebar ones rather than ones that grate while impacting the actual argument.
    Omnium said:

    John_M said:

    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.

    And is entirely out-of-order in doing so. Economics is currently broken. Everyone knew it was voodoo science, and now they have to own up. There are things that we have learned along the way, and there are actually well-founded economic models. Reality and any sort of scientific economics are still though far apart.

    I think that there are quite a few economists that believe that to be true, and there are certainly some, but inevitably admitting such a thing makes their entire knowledge-base worthless.
    Macro economics is broken - but I think it always has been. I wouldn't say micro economics is yet...
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Omnium said:

    MTimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    Now, trying to keep up with British slang, was that an example of humblebragging?
    No such word. There may have been the slightest embers of word formation going on there, but you had to ask the question.. killed it dead. A bit like Schroedingers cats.

    Not sure that having to ask for the definition of a word proves its non-existence. For me, that would make 99+% percent of the world's languages non-existent.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited August 2016
    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    < pendant mode >

    Eulalie was a lingerie business, not nightwear.

    </ pendant mode >
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.
    Half of that will be his ceiling. What evidence do you have for your claim?
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215

    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    < pendant mode >

    Eulalie was a lingerie business, not nightwear.

    </ pendant mode >
    A pendant that matches your lingerie is simply a must for the mature llama.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    MTimT said:

    Omnium said:

    MTimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    Now, trying to keep up with British slang, was that an example of humblebragging?
    No such word. There may have been the slightest embers of word formation going on there, but you had to ask the question.. killed it dead. A bit like Schroedingers cats.

    Not sure that having to ask for the definition of a word proves its non-existence. For me, that would make 99+% percent of the world's languages non-existent.
    Yes. But a word is only really cool if no-one has ever had to ask. You could never be a punk if you asked how.

    Actually 'Punk' is a good example. None ever wondered as to its meaning.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    JohnO said:

    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    < pendant mode >

    Eulalie was a lingerie business, not nightwear.

    </ pendant mode >
    A pendant that matches your lingerie is simply a must for the mature llama.
    If I was being pedantic I might suggest that your sentence didn't make sense. Still, pendants and roundabouts.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:



    It's an excellent book marred by a number of quite glaring factual errors. The second edition will be better :)

    Edit to add: the Mathew Lynn book on Greece and the Euro (Bust) is also well worth a read. In fact, I'd say it's a better book that Stiglitz's.

    Before I pick the book up I take it the errors are sidebar ones rather than ones that grate while impacting the actual argument.
    Omnium said:

    John_M said:

    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.

    And is entirely out-of-order in doing so. Economics is currently broken. Everyone knew it was voodoo science, and now they have to own up. There are things that we have learned along the way, and there are actually well-founded economic models. Reality and any sort of scientific economics are still though far apart.

    I think that there are quite a few economists that believe that to be true, and there are certainly some, but inevitably admitting such a thing makes their entire knowledge-base worthless.
    Macro economics is broken - but I think it always has been. I wouldn't say micro economics is yet...
    How do you use traditional microeconomics to describe the economics of production at Linux, wikipedia and freeware in general?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Omnium said:

    MTimT said:

    Omnium said:

    MTimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

    That was only the warm-up boast.

    My other half was complaining this afternoon just how hot it was.
    Now, trying to keep up with British slang, was that an example of humblebragging?
    No such word. There may have been the slightest embers of word formation going on there, but you had to ask the question.. killed it dead. A bit like Schroedingers cats.

    Not sure that having to ask for the definition of a word proves its non-existence. For me, that would make 99+% percent of the world's languages non-existent.
    Yes. But a word is only really cool if no-one has ever had to ask. You could never be a punk if you asked how.

    Actually 'Punk' is a good example. None ever wondered as to its meaning.
    and it has had more than one over the years.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    nunu said:

    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.
    Half of that will be his ceiling. What evidence do you have for your claim?
    The many 'outlier' polls that cause JackW such mirth.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Is that the same as the Welsh definition?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    nunu said:

    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.
    Half of that will be his ceiling. What evidence do you have for your claim?
    The many 'outlier' polls that cause JackW such mirth.
    It is hardly plausible though for African Americans to turn out for Trump in greater numbers than any other Republican in 50 years.

    Worthy of mirth.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    < pendant mode >

    Eulalie was a lingerie business, not nightwear.

    </ pendant mode >
    I vacillated over the distinction. Still, three cheers for lingerie.
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    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    He did have miss Universe.
    He probably was a prolific buyer of women's underclothing for his many models, rather than a seller.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    Stiglitz is systematically demolishing the Euro, the people who thought of the Euro, the Euro's family, its friends and the neighbourhood it was raised in.

    It's an excellent book marred by a number of quite glaring factual errors. The second edition will be better :)

    Edit to add: the Mathew Lynn book on Greece and the Euro (Bust) is also well worth a read. In fact, I'd say it's a better book that Stiglitz's.
    Thanks for the recommendations. Going to spend more time reading and less time lounging around on PB, think the Brexit thing has run its course :).
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Jeremy has led a full and colourful life.

    Even so, ram-packing on a train is rather too public for my tastes.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,899

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Seems inappropriate that the Virgin was rampacked


    This sort of thing wouldnt have happened on BR
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    Freggles said:

    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    < pendant mode >

    Eulalie was a lingerie business, not nightwear.

    </ pendant mode >
    I vacillated over the distinction. Still, three cheers for lingerie.
    Nnnnnnnone even nnnnnoticed that you might have a spurious N.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Seems inappropriate that the Virgin was rampacked


    This sort of thing wouldnt have happened on BR
    Didn't you say a little while ago you are going to 'get on a train to Newcastle' with Corbyn? :trollface:
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    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Jeremy has led a full and colourful life.

    Even so, ram-packing on a train is rather too public for my tastes.
    If only he changed at Baker Street as well
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,907
    I suspect St Jezza is feeling a little sheepish tonight.
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    Jonathan said:

    I suspect St Jezza is feeling a little sheepish tonight.

    Oh I'm nicking that for the morning thread.

    Ewe wouldn't believe how many ram puns I've got lined up
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    nunu said:

    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.
    Half of that will be his ceiling. What evidence do you have for your claim?
    The many 'outlier' polls that cause JackW such mirth.
    Well all national polls range from a Hillary lead of 1 (UPI/cvoter) to a lead of 12 (Reuters).

    Which seems appropriate since in Florida all polls range from a Trump lead of 2 to a Hillary lead of 14.

    Even the direction of the polls is contradicting.

    I'm afraid it smells british polling at the moment, 11 points nationally and 16 points locally is too much of a range, you usually encounter it only in british polls.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Jonathan said:

    I suspect St Jezza is feeling a little sheepish tonight.

    Oh I'm nicking that for the morning thread.

    Ewe wouldn't believe how many ram puns I've got lined up
    Like a lamb to the slaughter.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,899
    Freggles said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Seems inappropriate that the Virgin was rampacked


    This sort of thing wouldnt have happened on BR
    Didn't you say a little while ago you are going to 'get on a train to Newcastle' with Corbyn? :trollface:
    I was on a train with Jezza last week.

    It was old and knackered and definitely not a Virgin

    It became rampacked at Matlock Bath.

    BTW the Premier Inn staff were full of praise for Jezza. A few of them met him at his rally and he gave them £100 to their Great Ormand Street charity
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,907

    Jonathan said:

    I suspect St Jezza is feeling a little sheepish tonight.

    Oh I'm nicking that for the morning thread.

    Ewe wouldn't believe how many ram puns I've got lined up
    Perhaps its bit too much to ask for no more woolly thinking from Jezza.

    PS his campaign slogan of "standing up for XYZ" will have to go in the bin.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Seems inappropriate that the Virgin was rampacked


    This sort of thing wouldnt have happened on BR
    Is a rampacked Virgin still a virgin?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    According to Erskine May Lords must speak 'standing and uncovered', though it makes provision for those who are disabled or have special permission. BUt is also says women peers may wear a hat without seeking permission - male discrimination, right there.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Jonathan said:

    I suspect St Jezza is feeling a little sheepish tonight.

    Oh I'm nicking that for the morning thread.

    Ewe wouldn't believe how many ram puns I've got lined up
    They're giving you the horn.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,899
    MTimT said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Seems inappropriate that the Virgin was rampacked


    This sort of thing wouldnt have happened on BR
    Is a rampacked Virgin still a virgin?
    Only if TPWS is fitted
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    North Carolina .. Arizona - ORC/CNN

    NC - Clinton 44 .. Trump 43
    AZ - Clinton 38 .. Trump 43

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/24/politics/arizona-north-carolina-polls-trump-clinton/index.html
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Just as I mentioned the wide ranges and contradicting direction of 2016 polling:

    Arizona, CNN/ORC

    Trump 43
    Hillary 38
    Johnson 12
    Stein 4

    NC, CNN/ORC

    Hillary 44
    Trump 43
    Johnson 11

    As I said Trump doesn't have much of a problem with Hispanics lately (Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico show it), his problems are with white women and african americans.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Google "munging". Go on, go on.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Time to splash out on air conditioning.
    Not even sure it's allowed. My flat is in a listed building. Grade 2 terrace.

    I am reduced to plonking extra ice in my G&T.

    Get a ceiling fan.

    Awesome things
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    HaroldO said:

    SandraM said:

    Re: traingate. Did nobody ever stand in the days before the rail service was privatised? I remember travelling to school in the days of British Rail and 9 out of 10 times we had to stand.

    BTW I looked up ram packed for its definition and then wished I hadn't( I got an urban slang definition).

    Oh my innocent mind, I've just googled that too.
    Google "munging". Go on, go on.
    No, I'm writing the morning thread, and I've already got one reference to pornography in it already.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Freggles said:

    Speedy said:

    Trump reminds me ever more of the Seventh Earl of Sidcup, Roderick Spode.

    Wonder if he ever wears black shorts?

    I think it's the reverse, Trump might be privately talking about asparagus and bicycle production while be threatening and demeaning in public.
    Does he have any business interests in Eulalie Nightwear?
    Tremendous P.G. reference!
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