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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, here's a thing: I have been invited to a drinks event at this year's Labour party conference.

    Shall I go? Will there even be a conference? I could be - with due credit to @Bunnco - your Lady on the Spot.

    Somehow, the new wildly free ‘you’ doesn’t quite tally with a soggy wet weekend in Liverpool.
    It is a drinks do. I should not admit this - but I can get quite wild if the drinks and company are right. I had a most splendid time at the Hacienda in Manchester in times gone past. I rather liked my last trip to Liverpool.

    And I am quite sure I would be well able to handle any smelly argumentative Momentum types. I do - after all - have Irish Fenian blood in my veins. They'd have no chance with me!!

    Given the drippy duo currently pretending they can run Labour, frankly even I - as a non-Labour type - would do a better job........
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, here's a thing: I have been invited to a drinks event at this year's Labour party conference.

    Shall I go? Will there even be a conference? I could be - with due credit to @Bunnco - your Lady on the Spot.

    Make sure you get your discounted rail fare from Virgin Trains. They are incredibly popular there I understand.

    Congrats on your son but as you have probably discovered children going away to Uni does not materially reduce the time committed and can even increase the budget.
    I know. It's still some sort of a watershed though. Children and horses are the two ways best guaranteed to spend eye-watering sums of money for the rest of one's life.

    Attending racing meets: another thing I will have more time for.......
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    This splendidly accurate review of THE FIRE CHILD, by S K Tremayne, refers to the "beauty of the author".

    At last a fair appraisal of my work

    https://medium.com/@itsmemohan/the-fire-child-spooky-ride-97fdd19f8fb8#.2ow2hdql0

    Did you slap your mug on the cover? :D
    Or someone elses?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    RobD said:

    Three smiley faces in as many posts, tyson would be proud :D

    I will fight, fight, fight for the right to emoji :D.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    weejonnie said:

    SeanT said:

    weejonnie said:

    Latest poll in Florida : Clinton 41 ; Trump 43 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/FAU_Florida_August.pdf

    Hillary's firewall weakening/

    Had drinks with a friend in Soho last night; he lives in New Orleans and his American fiancee was in tow.

    She was - literally - close to tears at the idea - just the idea - of Trump winning. Quite remarkable.
    That the trouble with the left (especially the young) - cannot cope with adversity reality.

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    SeanT said:

    This splendidly accurate review of THE FIRE CHILD, by S K Tremayne, refers to the "beauty of the author".

    At last a fair appraisal of my work

    https://medium.com/@itsmemohan/the-fire-child-spooky-ride-97fdd19f8fb8#.2ow2hdql0

    A lunatic. You could have a Mark Chapman in your life.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    This splendidly accurate review of THE FIRE CHILD, by S K Tremayne, refers to the "beauty of the author".

    At last a fair appraisal of my work

    https://medium.com/@itsmemohan/the-fire-child-spooky-ride-97fdd19f8fb8#.2ow2hdql0

    Did you slap your mug on the cover? :D
    Or someone elses?
    Are you saying our Sean doesn't have a lovely mug? :o
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    MTimT said:



    Time. Either you spend 20 hours getting somewhere on a non-stop, or 36 hours with a break of a few hours on the ground somewhere wonderful like Dubai, Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

    That said, my ankles now swell on those long trips and take weeks to recover, so my wife the doctor has me on aspirin for these flights.

    It's where I watch movies, read books and listen to music. Unless I am in business-class, doing work is out of the question.

    Ya'll be careful of those swollen ankles. That is what happened to me, after a while they didn't go away except after a very long lie down. I went to the quack, a blood-test, then an ultrasound scan and I was diagnosed with a DVT in the right leg. I was off work, never mind travelling, for months. Those injections in the stomach aren't nice and nor is having to go the hospital and queue up for a blood test every week. That is when I went semi-retired (it was that or a divorce).

    You be careful, Mr. T, also according to my quacks the Aspirin is not quite the wonder drug that newspaper reports might have us believe.
    Asprin is not great for DVT prophylaxis.

    Compression stockings (excluding people with peripheral vascular disease), remaining hydrated and foot exercises with regular strolls about the plane are better. High risk patients may benefit from LMW Heparin.

    http://cks.nice.org.uk/dvt-prevention-for-travellers#!scenario
    Heparin: I have had so much of the stuff that, apparently, I'm now at risk of osteoporosis. I have had so many ops and conditions and other stuff that I've practically done all the learning needed for a medical degree by now. Honestly, when God - or whoever - created me, he was having one hell of an off day.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited August 2016

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    This splendidly accurate review of THE FIRE CHILD, by S K Tremayne, refers to the "beauty of the author".

    At last a fair appraisal of my work

    https://medium.com/@itsmemohan/the-fire-child-spooky-ride-97fdd19f8fb8#.2ow2hdql0

    Did you slap your mug on the cover? :D
    Or someone elses?
    Labour Immigration mug?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited August 2016
    John_M said:

    RobD said:

    Three smiley faces in as many posts, tyson would be proud :D

    I will fight, fight, fight for the right to emoji :D.
    :p:lol::):innocent::wink::blush::sunglasses:
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, here's a thing: I have been invited to a drinks event at this year's Labour party conference.

    Shall I go? Will there even be a conference? I could be - with due credit to @Bunnco - your Lady on the Spot.

    Only go if you have a Virgin Trains seat reservation!
    Or adopt the Corbyn motto: Hier stehe ich und kann nicht anders.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Just seen the clip of Corbyn getting pissy that the press won't ask him the questions he wants them to ask. I know he's under a lot of pressure, whether one thinks that is fair or unfair, but he just sounds so arrogant trying to demand they ask him what he wants them to ask, it surely cannot be hard for a senior politician even when frustrated to just go 'we're still on that? what a shame. well my answer is as before...'. Such a whiner as well. I'll grant I think he's bad at the job and that colours my view, but it takes a bit of effort to make a journalist asking a question on a trivial incident seem less entitled and more reasonable.
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    SeanT said:

    This splendidly accurate review of THE FIRE CHILD, by S K Tremayne, refers to the "beauty of the author".

    At last a fair appraisal of my work

    https://medium.com/@itsmemohan/the-fire-child-spooky-ride-97fdd19f8fb8#.2ow2hdql0

    A lunatic. You could have a Mark Chapman in your life.
    Hopefully not PB's Murali :lol:
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    On topic, with Scotland still shaky I'm really hoping the other parts of the Union remain pretty secure at least.
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    Ishmael_X said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, here's a thing: I have been invited to a drinks event at this year's Labour party conference.

    Shall I go? Will there even be a conference? I could be - with due credit to @Bunnco - your Lady on the Spot.

    Only go if you have a Virgin Trains seat reservation!
    Or adopt the Corbyn motto: Hier stehe ich und kann nicht anders.
    Oder: Hier sitze ich auf dem Boden und kann nicht anders :smiley:
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    RobD said:

    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    scotslass said:

    Carlotta Vance

    You asked for a reference

    A border poll every seven years

    Schedule 1 paragraphs 2 and 3 of the Belfast Agreement gives the Secretary
    of State the power to call a referendum if it appears likely to him that a
    majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should
    leave the United Kingdom. This referendum can be held again 7 years later.

    Note the provision is to ascertain support for a United Ireland not as a Unionist tactic.


    Given that this has been agreed by HMG it renders ridiculous unionist calls in Scotland for the majority elected SNP MPs and massively supported SNP Government to give up the referendum proposal.

    Of course that total lightweight Ruth Davidson may never have stumbled across the Belfast Agreement.

    Thank you.

    But what's that got to do with the Edinburgh agreement which stipulated only one referendum and makes no reference to subsequent ones. Indeed the Scottish government's White Paper said it was a 'once in a generation' event - something Salmond & Sturgeon repeatedly said too.....
    Given the Scottish diet, seven years is probably about right for a generation.
    There has been a material change in circumstances but no one to know what it is.
    It was when Cameron changed from one lump to two in his morning tea.
    That second lump belonged to the people of Scotland!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Is this topic a joke ?
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    SeanT said:

    This splendidly accurate review of THE FIRE CHILD, by S K Tremayne, refers to the "beauty of the author".

    At last a fair appraisal of my work

    https://medium.com/@itsmemohan/the-fire-child-spooky-ride-97fdd19f8fb8#.2ow2hdql0

    A lunatic. You could have a Mark Chapman in your life.
    Hopefully not PB's Murali :lol:
    It crossed my mind and a seeping chill remains.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    IanB2 said:

    So Virgin may have breached the Data Protection Act by publishing its CCTV....

    I feel like the people whose privacy was breached did so in the public interest, or at least newspaper editor interest.
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    Speedy said:

    Is this topic a joke ?

    I blame TSE :lol:
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    SeanT said:

    weejonnie said:

    SeanT said:

    weejonnie said:

    Latest poll in Florida : Clinton 41 ; Trump 43 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/FAU_Florida_August.pdf

    Hillary's firewall weakening/

    Had drinks with a friend in Soho last night; he lives in New Orleans and his American fiancee was in tow.

    She was - literally - close to tears at the idea - just the idea - of Trump winning. Quite remarkable.
    That the trouble with the left (especially the young) - cannot cope with adversity.

    Edit - basically they are a load of spoilt brats. Never been in competition for anything, never had to face disappointment. Grown up in cotton wool where their every thought is fed back to them as being brilliant (for fear of upsetting them).
    Whilst I agree with that general description, as it applies to a lot of Millennials, it certainly doesn't apply to my mate's fiancee. She's been through incredible shit and is an absolute survivor. She has a gun at home in NOLA. She's no snowflake. Some of her stories made ME
    blush...

    She's just terrified that he is a real racist and we will see race war in the States if he wins...
    Sorry about the generalisations - but the racist card is being played against him by the Democrats and she believes it because she is scared it might be true.

    In the UK of course the racist card is now openly mocked. WAAYYCIISST!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    Had drinks with a friend in Soho last night; he lives in New Orleans and his American fiancee was in tow.

    She was - literally - close to tears at the idea - just the idea - of Trump winning. Quite remarkable.

    This Florida poll has Trump taking 20% AA vote and 40% of the hispanic vote.

    Chortle ... :smile:
    Well this is a new New Mexico poll:

    https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/768444949029236736

    Trump is getting 30% of Hispanics there, but 31% among all adults.

    Trump's problem are not hispanics as illustrated above, hence why Nevada is also close.

    His problem is with african-americans and white women, that's why he is in trouble everywhere else.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Heartbreaking

    Rio 2016 Olympics: France agonises over Team GB glory

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37168870
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    The full press release:

    http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1629/

    Very cool. Let's hope the result stands the test of time, unlike the planet supposed to be around Alpha Centauri.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    2 more national polls released on RCP. Clinton +3 +4 - done by that doyen of accuracy - yougov - which has a track record of underestimating the non-left.

    I think we can agree that the polls are closing back to what they were some weeks ago.

    However it is not the Nationals - it is the States that count.

    These are developing not necessarily to Clinton's advantage http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-making-more-states-competitive-red-states/
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    eekeek Posts: 25,021
    edited August 2016
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    North Carolina - Monmouth

    Clinton 44 .. Trump 42

    http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_NC_082416/
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    That's not news, Sid Meier told us about it 17 years ago.

    In all seriousness, if our closest star was also potentially capable of supporting life that is a massive coincidence or potential for life is a lot higher than I realised.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    Had drinks with a friend in Soho last night; he lives in New Orleans and his American fiancee was in tow.

    She was - literally - close to tears at the idea - just the idea - of Trump winning. Quite remarkable.

    This Florida poll has Trump taking 20% AA vote and 40% of the hispanic vote.

    Chortle ... :smile:
    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    kle4 said:

    Heartbreaking

    Rio 2016 Olympics: France agonises over Team GB glory

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37168870

    In other news, a new sale on worlds smallest violins!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    Well we have run out of planets in our solar system to explore, might as well send a probe there.

    Problem is how can you make it travel faster than 20% of light speed without crashing into anything, and make it stop to enter orbit.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    edited August 2016
    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    kle4 said:

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    That's not news, Sid Meier told us about it 17 years ago.

    In all seriousness, if our closest star was also potentially capable of supporting life that is a massive coincidence or potential for life is a lot higher than I realised.
    It would not likely be pleasant. Bathed in X-rays and UV radiation. That, and it may be tidally locked.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    Cyclefree said:

    Well, here's a thing: I have been invited to a drinks event at this year's Labour party conference.

    Shall I go? Will there even be a conference? I could be - with due credit to @Bunnco - your Lady on the Spot.

    As in previous years, I'd enjoy meeting PBers there, especially the illustrious Cyclefree.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    Had drinks with a friend in Soho last night; he lives in New Orleans and his American fiancee was in tow.

    She was - literally - close to tears at the idea - just the idea - of Trump winning. Quite remarkable.

    This Florida poll has Trump taking 20% AA vote and 40% of the hispanic vote.

    Chortle ... :smile:
    Well this is a new New Mexico poll:

    https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/768444949029236736

    Trump is getting 30% of Hispanics there, but 31% among all adults.

    Trump's problem are not hispanics as illustrated above, hence why Nevada is also close.

    His problem is with african-americans and white women, that's why he is in trouble everywhere else.
    I posted the poll earlier today.

    Any poll that has Trump polling more than 5% AA or 20% hispanic is "interesting".

    A small sub-sample of a small poll will often provide novel results as in 08/12. Large polls of AA and hispanics give the real story.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Cyclefree said:

    MTimT said:



    Time. Either you spend 20 hours getting somewhere on a non-stop, or 36 hours with a break of a few hours on the ground somewhere wonderful like Dubai, Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

    That said, my ankles now swell on those long trips and take weeks to recover, so my wife the doctor has me on aspirin for these flights.

    It's where I watch movies, read books and listen to music. Unless I am in business-class, doing work is out of the question.

    Ya'll be careful of those swollen ankles. That is what happened to me, after a while they didn't go away except after a very long lie down. I went to the quack, a blood-test, then an ultrasound scan and I was diagnosed with a DVT in the right leg. I was off work, never mind travelling, for months. Those injections in the stomach aren't nice and nor is having to go the hospital and queue up for a blood test every week. That is when I went semi-retired (it was that or a divorce).

    You be careful, Mr. T, also according to my quacks the Aspirin is not quite the wonder drug that newspaper reports might have us believe.
    Asprin is not great for DVT prophylaxis.

    Compression stockings (excluding people with peripheral vascular disease), remaining hydrated and foot exercises with regular strolls about the plane are better. High risk patients may benefit from LMW Heparin.

    http://cks.nice.org.uk/dvt-prevention-for-travellers#!scenario
    Heparin: I have had so much of the stuff that, apparently, I'm now at risk of osteoporosis. I have had so many ops and conditions and other stuff that I've practically done all the learning needed for a medical degree by now. Honestly, when God - or whoever - created me, he was having one hell of an off day.

    Ouch. Genuinely sorry to hear that. Presumably they can head it off at the pass?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited August 2016
    RobD said:

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    The full press release:

    http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1629/

    Very cool. Let's hope the result stands the test of time, unlike the planet supposed to be around Alpha Centauri.
    Unmanned Interstellar travel is actually not that far away!

    In April 2016, scientists announced Breakthrough Starshot, a Breakthrough Initiatives program, to develop a proof-of-concept fleet of small centimeter-sized light sail spacecraft, named StarChip,[4] capable of making the journey to Alpha Centauri, the nearest extrasolar star system, at speeds of 20%[5][6] and 15%[7] of the speed of light, taking between 20 and 30 years to reach the star system, respectively, and about 4 years to notify Earth of a successful arrival. (Wikipedia)

    Edit
    (Noting the pun and the date of release one might suspect something)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016
    weejonnie said:

    2 more national polls released on RCP. Clinton +3 +4 - done by that doyen of accuracy - yougov - which has a track record of underestimating the non-left.

    I think we can agree that the polls are closing back to what they were some weeks ago.

    However it is not the Nationals - it is the States that count.

    These are developing not necessarily to Clinton's advantage http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-making-more-states-competitive-red-states/

    You mean not to Trump's advantage.

    In my average daily tracking poll Trump is up for a 4th day in a row, now at his best since August 4th, but he's not taking from Hillary and the gap is still big.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited August 2016
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    That's not news, Sid Meier told us about it 17 years ago.

    In all seriousness, if our closest star was also potentially capable of supporting life that is a massive coincidence or potential for life is a lot higher than I realised.
    It would not likely be pleasant. Bathed in X-rays and UV radiation. That, and it may be tidally locked.
    From Alpha Centauri, the Sun would appear as a first magnitude star sort of extending the "W" pattern of Cassiopeia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri#/media/File:Sky-from-alpha-centauri.jpg
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    kle4 said:

    Heartbreaking

    Rio 2016 Olympics: France agonises over Team GB glory

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37168870

    ;-)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Is it a very sad thing that I was incredibly pleased that I received as a gift today a copy of the 24th Edition of Erskine May?

    No need to answer, I know the answer.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    JackW said:

    Any poll that has Trump polling more than 5% AA or 20% hispanic is "interesting".

    You're going to find the poll in November very 'interesting'.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Any poll that has Trump polling more than 5% AA or 20% hispanic is "interesting".

    You're going to find the poll in November very 'interesting'.
    I've heard it all before from advocates of "Presidents" McCain and Romney.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    Had drinks with a friend in Soho last night; he lives in New Orleans and his American fiancee was in tow.

    She was - literally - close to tears at the idea - just the idea - of Trump winning. Quite remarkable.

    This Florida poll has Trump taking 20% AA vote and 40% of the hispanic vote.

    Chortle ... :smile:
    Well this is a new New Mexico poll:

    https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/768444949029236736

    Trump is getting 30% of Hispanics there, but 31% among all adults.

    Trump's problem are not hispanics as illustrated above, hence why Nevada is also close.

    His problem is with african-americans and white women, that's why he is in trouble everywhere else.
    I posted the poll earlier today.

    Any poll that has Trump polling more than 5% AA or 20% hispanic is "interesting".

    A small sub-sample of a small poll will often provide novel results as in 08/12. Large polls of AA and hispanics give the real story.
    But New Mexico is majority hispanic, the subsample from there is large enough.

    Also the polls from Nevada and Arizona show the same thing, the problem for Trump isn't hispanics, it's white women and african-americans.

    As I said a general election is like dating a woman, you have to behave and charm the voter.

    Or in Trump's own words from 1980 "somebody with no brains can win an election if he has a large smile".
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited August 2016
    Can someone think of a suitable caption?

    image

    Or even for this cropped version?

    image
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    edited August 2016

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    Humans should be around in 20,000 years time.

    Theoretically, if it is habitable (and we'd probably never know until we got there - some 300-400 generations hence) it would be possible to colonise it even with current technology.

    Provided we spent almost all the world's GDP for a few decades on a massive f--k off spaceship.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    kle4 said:

    Is it a very sad thing that I was incredibly pleased that I received as a gift today a copy of the 24th Edition of Erskine May?

    No need to answer, I know the answer.

    I am indeed jealous! But, that means someone knows about your disgusting politics obsession :o
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.
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    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    You might not have noticed in your Clintonstruck delirium that McCain and Romney were up against an African while your paramour is hideously white.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    You seem to be chortling a lot about polls showing Trump getting around 20% of the AA vote. He'll do better than expected and that demographic may even be what swings it for him.

    So laughable you should be on the stage.

    McCain and Romney managed 4/5% of the AA vote. Your contention that Trump will outperform their result by 100/200/300% are the musings of the deluded.
    They were against an AA nominee.

    There is no excuse for Trump to be doing worse than that, but in most polls this month he has.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. kle4, you should definitely buy a sci-fi book in the near future. Probably on 2 September. An anthology would be good.

    *cough*
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    But New Mexico is majority hispanic, the subsample from there is large enough.

    Also the polls from Nevada and Arizona show the same thing, the problem for Trump isn't hispanics, it's white women and african-americans.

    As I said a general election is like dating a woman, you have to behave and charm the voter.

    Or in Trump's own words from 1980 "somebody with no brains can win an election if he has a large smile".

    Incorrect. Hispanics make up 40% of eligible voters in New Mexico.

    Polling hispanics has in the past been tricky. Past POTUS polls/results have underestimated Dems by around 4 points in Nevada and Colorado.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Mr. kle4, you should definitely buy a sci-fi book in the near future. Probably on 2 September. An anthology would be good.

    *cough*

    I was looking for a place to pre-order the other day - what was the title again, should you happen to know. Somehow.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Speedy said:

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    Well we have run out of planets in our solar system to explore, might as well send a probe there.

    Problem is how can you make it travel faster than 20% of light speed without crashing into anything, and make it stop to enter orbit.
    Send lots of tiny ones, and don't aim to stop - do a flyby.
    http://breakthroughinitiatives.org/Challenges/3
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    Speedy said:

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    Well we have run out of planets in our solar system to explore, might as well send a probe there.

    Problem is how can you make it travel faster than 20% of light speed without crashing into anything, and make it stop to enter orbit.
    Again, in theory, chucking a probe up to 5-10% of light speed is possible.

    If we "did it" I suspect in reality we'd send a few sophisticated probes over a 40-100 year mission window to gather as much info as possible.

    They'd have to be very smart with the AI, given that their signals would take 4 years to reach us.

    Potential comedy at it arriving (celebration) and then a video feed shows it crashing 10 minutes later, belatedly releasing you celebrated the success of a disaster that happened years ago.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    edited August 2016

    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.

    If only someone would get on & invent the Tardis technology for real, it wouldn't have to be very big.

    Like the teleport, we've known about the concept for years, so it annoys me that no-one has invented either of them yet.

    (I'm a very poor traveller who'd love to visit my cousin in Australia. And everyone needs more storage space.)

    edited to add: good evening, everyone.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Interesting discovery, an Earth-like world close at hand:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37167390

    The full press release:

    http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1629/

    Very cool. Let's hope the result stands the test of time, unlike the planet supposed to be around Alpha Centauri.
    Unmanned Interstellar travel is actually not that far away!

    In April 2016, scientists announced Breakthrough Starshot, a Breakthrough Initiatives program, to develop a proof-of-concept fleet of small centimeter-sized light sail spacecraft, named StarChip,[4] capable of making the journey to Alpha Centauri, the nearest extrasolar star system, at speeds of 20%[5][6] and 15%[7] of the speed of light, taking between 20 and 30 years to reach the star system, respectively, and about 4 years to notify Earth of a successful arrival. (Wikipedia)

    Edit
    (Noting the pun and the date of release one might suspect something)
    I lost my heart to a StarChip trouper....
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    McCain and Romney were up against an African American candidate. If you go back to previous elections the Republican candidate averaged around 10% which should be Trump's baseline.

    And of course Trump has done much to endear himself to the AA community. Large scale polling of AA voters shows Trump barely moving the dial above 1-2%

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    AnneJGP said:

    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.

    If only someone would get on & invent the Tardis technology for real, it wouldn't have to be very big.

    Like the teleport, we've known about the concept for years, so it annoys me that no-one has invented either of them yet.

    (I'm a very poor traveller who'd love to visit my cousin in Australia. And everyone needs more storage space.)
    My favourite method of space travel was from a Peter Hamilton series - Trains.

    Wormholes made starships unnecessary, so they open wormholes to planets and put on end in existing trainstations and lay tracks on the new planets. Catch the 1234 from Waterloo to Alpha Centauri!
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    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.

    If only someone would get on & invent the Tardis technology for real, it wouldn't have to be very big.

    Like the teleport, we've known about the concept for years, so it annoys me that no-one has invented either of them yet.

    (I'm a very poor traveller who'd love to visit my cousin in Australia. And everyone needs more storage space.)
    My favourite method of space travel was from a Peter Hamilton series - Trains.

    Wormholes made starships unnecessary, so they open wormholes to planets and put on end in existing trainstations and lay tracks on the new planets. Catch the 1234 from Waterloo to Alpha Centauri!
    Count me in! :lol:
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    You might not have noticed in your Clintonstruck delirium that McCain and Romney were up against an African while your paramour is hideously white.

    Dear god I hadn't noticed Obama was black and Clinton white ....

    I revise my estimate. Trump gets 3% AA vote ....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Miss JGP, if I had a TARDIS it's primary use would be book storage.

    Mr. kle4, alas, no pre-order period [if I can, I'll try that when I self-publish next], but it's only a little over a week to go [NB the publisher's Canadian, so the time zone might mean it's up relatively late].

    It's called Explorations: Through the Wormhole.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.

    If only someone would get on & invent the Tardis technology for real, it wouldn't have to be very big.

    Like the teleport, we've known about the concept for years, so it annoys me that no-one has invented either of them yet.

    (I'm a very poor traveller who'd love to visit my cousin in Australia. And everyone needs more storage space.)
    My favourite method of space travel was from a Peter Hamilton series - Trains.

    Wormholes made starships unnecessary, so they open wormholes to planets and put on end in existing trainstations and lay tracks on the new planets. Catch the 1234 from Waterloo to Alpha Centauri!
    Southern trains could make even that journey miserable.

    And anyway the local shops in AC have all gone it's just like any old high street now.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Miss JGP, if I had a TARDIS it's primary use would be book storage.

    And picking up Caesar and Hannibal and getting them to settle a question once and for all
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.

    Ha.

    I see the problem with the planet may well be its magnetosphere, not unlike what happened to Mars.

    The dealbreaker for these planets seems to be the habitable zone, where liquid water can exist, and that's probably because we can assess it with telescopes from here.

    But if it's totally saturated with radiation, it ain't habitable.

    Truly, we are very lucky here.
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    Moses_ said:

    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....

    SKY = TORY!
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    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    To be fair, a lot of the comments below the Le Monde article are highly critical of it, and specifically of its title (which presumably was written by a subeditor). Others, however, accuse us of doping, corruption, elitism (!) and other assorted perfidies...

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Was that meant to be a DM to the travel editor of the Telegraph?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. kle4, spoiler - Hannibal wins. By miles.

    Mr. T, mildly surprised you don't have aircon. I know it's not common in the UK, but you are a man of means.

    Mr. Speedy, but other species would have had millions or even billions of years to evolve. Imagine, if we survive, what we'd be like over that timescale. We'd be all over the bloody place.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Try ice cream.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Jez complaining about ram packed railway journey again.....

    http://tinyurl.com/j77tu3c
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    An earlier visit than planned back to Greenland?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    Cyclefree said:

    Well, here's a thing: I have been invited to a drinks event at this year's Labour party conference.

    Shall I go? Will there even be a conference? I could be - with due credit to @Bunnco - your Lady on the Spot.

    As in previous years, I'd enjoy meeting PBers there, especially the illustrious Cyclefree.
    With an offer like that, how can I now possibly refuse?!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Reprobatus, a fair point.

    Mr. Royale, perhaps. We need more information. Earth-type (in precise terms) planets may be very rare, or not, but most of our knowledge is educated guesswork because we lack the means to go have a proper look.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Mr. Royale, one doesn't wish to be immodest, but some of us have had massive spacecraft in our manifesto for some years.

    If only someone would get on & invent the Tardis technology for real, it wouldn't have to be very big.

    Like the teleport, we've known about the concept for years, so it annoys me that no-one has invented either of them yet.

    (I'm a very poor traveller who'd love to visit my cousin in Australia. And everyone needs more storage space.)
    My favourite method of space travel was from a Peter Hamilton series - Trains.

    Wormholes made starships unnecessary, so they open wormholes to planets and put on end in existing trainstations and lay tracks on the new planets. Catch the 1234 from Waterloo to Alpha Centauri!
    Southern trains could make even that journey miserable.

    And anyway the local shops in AC have all gone it's just like any old high street now.
    Google street view has a preview?
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    JackW said:

    You might not have noticed in your Clintonstruck delirium that McCain and Romney were up against an African while your paramour is hideously white.

    Dear god I hadn't noticed Obama was black and Clinton white ....

    I revise my estimate. Trump gets 3% AA vote ....
    Trump's a superpredator.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Cixin Liu in his "Three Body Problem" and sequel has a sort of interesting take on this. (Spolier) He suggests that the logical conclusion is that any civilisation that is careless enough to broadcast its existence becomes a "must-kill" for any civilisation detecting their signals. It has some sense to it. Bit gloomy mind.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    Shutters. Or blinds. As the Italians - sensible people - do it.

    PS Impressive boasting there......

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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2016
    Moses_ said:

    Awkward

    Train gate getting hammered on Sky news again and video footage. Ain't going away.....

    Twitter hashtag #Traingate still rampant with terribly irate momentum types, screaming at each other not to mention err, #Traingate. – All rather bizarre and quite unhelpful.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Omnium, that makes sense.

    Don't be gloomy. The odds on aliens destroying us in the near future are long.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    That's what cinemas are for, as any self-respecting New Yorker knows.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited August 2016
    Is Nigel Farage losing it? He's agreed to address a Trump rally, but he says he won't "fall into the trap" of "endorsing" Trump. What will he do then? Tell people to vote their conscience?

    If only they could get Marine Le Pen there, they could call it a triple! Grins all round at the Russian embassy! She could appear as "Madame Frexit".
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Trump's a superpredator.

    Do you have any specific dinosaur or other extinct GOP species in mind?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800

    Mr. Omnium, that makes sense.

    Don't be gloomy. The odds on aliens destroying us in the near future are long.

    I'm not gloomy. I don't think our Chinese friend is quite right in his analysis (massive chance of entirely non-overlapping 'goldilock's zone's), and even if I did these things are hardly likely to happen whilst there's any record of anyone that has ever known anyone that has ever posted on PB.

    I think that the news story I would most like to see is 'Aliens found', although there is a pretty good chance that I'd hate every minute afterwards as I think we as a whole would be a bit pants at dealing with such news.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,625
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    No, I'm rediscovering (as happens every year) the drawbacks of first floor flats in Georgian terraces, with floor to ceiling sash windows, facing due South.
    I feel your pain. 1st and 2nd floor of a south facing townhouse. The 2nd floor is unbearable and that's where my bedroom is, looks like a night on the sofa bed for my gf and I!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Time to splash out on air conditioning.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Are you, like me, discovering the drawbacks of penthouse apartments with huge skylight windows?
    No, I'm rediscovering (as happens every year) the drawbacks of first floor flats in Georgian terraces, with floor to ceiling sash windows, facing due South.
    I feel your pain. 1st and 2nd floor of a south facing townhouse. The 2nd floor is unbearable and that's where my bedroom is, looks like a night on the sofa bed for my gf and I!
    We all suffer in different ways - I accidentally knocked a fan heater on in the bedroom this morning, didn't notice, and so while lucky my house did not burn down, it's like 45C in there. Ugh. Mine isn't even due to glamorous living.

    I await being four yorkshiremaned.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,006
    Mr. Omnium, indeed. I've never been persuaded by Star Trek's utopian view of mankind coming together.

    Our history is one of near-constant conflict interspersed by brief periods of peace.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    It's 32C in my flat.

    Help

    Time to splash out on air conditioning.
    I think actually Mr T's heating broke down. He's used to very exotic locations :)
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Dromedary said:

    Is Nigel Farage losing it? He's agreed to address a Trump rally, but he says he won't "fall into the trap" of "endorsing" Trump. What will he do then? Tell people to vote their conscience?

    If only they could get Marine Le Pen there, they could call it a triple! Grins all round at the Russian embassy! She could appear as "Madame Frexit".

    they will all enthuse the silent trump voters. so silent they wont even tell the republicans private polls or rammussen about voting trump.

    saying that, assuming the usa avoids a fascist leader, im thinking france will get one first
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    JackW said:

    You might not have noticed in your Clintonstruck delirium that McCain and Romney were up against an African while your paramour is hideously white.

    Dear god I hadn't noticed Obama was black and Clinton white ....

    I revise my estimate. Trump gets 3% AA vote ....
    Trump's a superpredator.
    Trump is deliberately targeting black votes which are nowhere near as entrenched as in 2008 and 2012 (and probably harder to reach by the pollsters).

    (In 2012 a greater percentage of blacks voted than Hispanics/ Latinos and non-college educated whites and they all voted Democrat for some reason. If that vote weakens substantially e.g. down to the levels of Hispanics/ Latinos then Trump wins (all things being equal).)
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Omnium said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. D, Planet IX's an interesting 'discovery' too. Apparently it's tilted the whole solar system away from the Sun.

    So, the solar system might be the Sun, Jupiter, Planet IX and assorted debris.

    Mr. kle4, thanks for that link. Amusing to read of le Monde whining.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. kle4, doesn't it make the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter problem even worse, though?

    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-fermi-paradox-and-great-filter.html

    Love space stuff, but why must it ruin our fantasies of the likelihood of sexy aliens? Haven't read much sci-fi in a while, but it feels like the explanation most people go with for stories is 'ancient precursors meddled in other planets to help life develop'. Be it God or others, we need a helping hand to realise those dreams I guess.
    I think the problem with the Fermi Paradox is simply practical.

    No one from 50 years ago would have been able to decode our digital transmission signals and as things stand everything is moving towards wifi internet communication.
    In 50 years time there might be nothing else but microwave wifi signals that will be unable to penetrate the atmosphere to outer space.

    We should be looking for alien TV or FM radio signals, but the time between the invention of the radio until the digital switch off was only 100 years on this planet, so trying to find a civilization with 20th century technology nearby will be very difficult.

    Or we could simply try and think what communication systems a spacefaring civilization would use, for instance if we sent a probe to alpha centauri how it would be able to communicate with us ?
    Cixin Liu in his "Three Body Problem" and sequel has a sort of interesting take on this. (Spolier) He suggests that the logical conclusion is that any civilisation that is careless enough to broadcast its existence becomes a "must-kill" for any civilisation detecting their signals. It has some sense to it. Bit gloomy mind.
    This is the thrust of Greg Bear's 'The Forge of God' and 'Anvil of Stars' duology. The first has the only credible alien invasion I've ever read.
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