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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Don't Berserkers use skulls like this?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Sturgeon moon tonight- an omen?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    On religion, it seems to me that if there are any supernatural powers, the ancients probably had it right with a whole set of jealous, squabbling gods; gods with honour but little morality, who are capricious, whimsical and at times downright cruel but who equally might, should the mood and their fancy take them, be beneficent too.

    On politics, no, the PLP won't unite around Corbyn when he's re-elected for more any longer than it takes for him to prove why all the reasons he failed in his first year will apply again in his second.

    And also, I've a new article out on Total Politics, if anyone's interested.

    https://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-tories-should-stand-jo-coxs-seat-after-all
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    nunu said:

    Sturgeon moon tonight- an omen?

    Nicola Sturgeon is going to moon the English? Has she been watching the most historically inaccurate movie of all time again?

    I'm sure Morris Dancer was the historical consultant on Braveheart
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    nunu said:

    Sturgeon moon tonight- an omen?

    Nicola Sturgeon is going to moon the English? Has she been watching the most historically inaccurate movie of all time again?

    I'm sure Morris Dancer was the historical consultant on Braveheart
    "I hope you washed your arse this morning - it's about to be kissed by a King First Minister!"
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,057
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    That goes widely against the way that part of the project's being reported. Could you provide a linky for your costings, please?

    For instance, this reports the strengthening works of the tube station for the bridge as costing £3 million.

    It also doesn't make the bridge any less of a £175 million white elephant.

    It's what Mervyn told me when I last saw him, so no links I'm afraid :smiley:

    That was a little over a year ago though
    Okay. I win. ;)
    I believe Mervyn. He's a friend of the family.
    Most of your posts mention your family's links to the great and good. We mere plebs have to rely on documentation, not what we were told over caviar and canapes (*).

    I'm not saying Mervyn's lying. I'm not saying you're lying. It's just that what you're saying seems to goes against what's being reported.

    What's more, as it's public money, the reality should be available to we plebs in a document somewhere.

    (*) Which probably shows how out-of-touch I am with that world. Canapes are probably very 1980s ...
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    Bribery and corruption by Team GB...disgraceful....

    The cost? ‘After everything else, the thing it took to persuade the military to let us use it was the installation of a new dishwasher for the officers’ mess,’ explained Timson. ‘For the price of that, the triathlon team are able to complete their preparations in the best way possible. ’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3745991/Team-GB-better-prepared-347m-Lottery-money-available.html#ixzz4HgUt0nW2
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    PlatoSaid said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Don't Berserkers use skulls like this?
    Joking aside, there are documented instances of skulls being used as drinking vessels e.g. Nicephorus (Byzantine Emperor) who made the mistake of losing a battle against Krum (a fantastic barbarian name). They were usually sealed in some fashion though.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    On religion, it seems to me that if there are any supernatural powers, the ancients probably had it right with a whole set of jealous, squabbling gods; gods with honour but little morality, who are capricious, whimsical and at times downright cruel but who equally might, should the mood and their fancy take them, be beneficent too.

    On politics, no, the PLP won't unite around Corbyn when he's re-elected for more any longer than it takes for him to prove why all the reasons he failed in his first year will apply again in his second.

    And also, I've a new article out on Total Politics, if anyone's interested.

    https://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-tories-should-stand-jo-coxs-seat-after-all

    Very sensible. Which, if course, means it won't happen
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    DavidL said:

    nunu said:

    excellent July retail figures today-and anyone who's been out and about in London knows August is going to be even better. I can't see how the economy is going to show a slowdown despite the Markit sentiment reports- I pridict third quarter growth of 0.6% in October that might be a little optimistic given the sudden fall in sterling but I'll stick to it given the massivee proportion the services sector is a nd the feel good factor of the brexit Olympics awell.

    Quote me on this in Oct 0.6% quarter on quarter.

    Think that is a bit high. There was definitely a pause in the immediate aftermath and the period without an effective PM was not great either. My guess is 0.3 which is so far from the end of the world that you can't see it from there.
    by the first revision it will show 0.6% growth if not on the first reading- services estimates come out later don't they?
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    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    edited August 2016
    Mr. Eagles, a serious point: from watching the excellent Lindy Beige Youtube videos [much stuff on ancient warfare], it seems lots of films have a historical consultant so they can put 'historical consultant' in the credits, rather than to actually pay attention to anything he has to say.

    Mr. Herdson, quite. Zeus, Athena, Apollo and so forth seem more credible in personal terms than God. Plus, that era had a strong philosophical tradition from which morality was drawn, rather than bundling that up with theism. I think that would be much better today. Monotheism's apparent monopoly on morality is not a good thing.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. (John) M, theism's a nice idea, but the beliefs are not persuasive and the actions at the extreme end (because 'God' is on their side) are horrendous.

    A good man is quite capable of being good without a Flying Spaghetti Monster. A bad man will do worse (not least because groups form up for the purpose) if he believes he will be touched by His Noodly Appendage for acts of violence.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    And also, I've a new article out on Total Politics, if anyone's interested.

    https://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-tories-should-stand-jo-coxs-seat-after-all

    Excellent article, David. I think you are right, but I fear it's too late to change the decision.
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    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Will it be 52% - 48% between the Donald and Crooked Hillary?

    (though I suppose could easily be the other way round!)
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    Mr. Eagles, a serious point: from watching the excellent Lindy Beige Youtube videos [much stuff on ancient warfare], it seems lots of films have a historical consultant so they can put 'historical consultant' in the credits, rather than to actually pay attention to anything he has to say.

    Mr. Herdson, quite. Zeus, Athena, Apollo and so forth seem more credible in personal terms than God. Plus, that era had a strong philosophical tradition from which morality was drawn, rather than bundling that up with theism. I think that would be much better today. Monotheism's apparent monopoly on morality is not a good thing.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. (John) M, theism's a nice idea, but the beliefs are not persuasive and the actions at the extreme end (because 'God' is on their side) are horrendous.

    A good man is quite capable of being good without a Flying Spaghetti Monster. A bad man will do worse (not least because groups form up for the purpose) if he believes he will be touched by His Noodly Appendage for acts of violence.

    Apollo's sister Artemis once spied a man perving on her while she was bathing in a stream. So she changed him into a deer and promptly killed him with her arrows.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    edited August 2016
    Dr. Prasannan, no.

    The octo-lemur say Clinton wins.

    Don't forget, their referendum forecast was spot on.

    Edited extra bit: forget the chap's name, but I heard the same story, only he was killed by his own hunting hounds.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited August 2016

    Bribery and corruption by Team GB...disgraceful....

    The cost? ‘After everything else, the thing it took to persuade the military to let us use it was the installation of a new dishwasher for the officers’ mess,’ explained Timson. ‘For the price of that, the triathlon team are able to complete their preparations in the best way possible. ’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3745991/Team-GB-better-prepared-347m-Lottery-money-available.html#ixzz4HgUt0nW2

    I really enjoyed the swimming pool story - we nabbed one because a coach spotted it being built 3yrs ago.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/10/rio-olympics-2016-how-british-swimming-was-transformed-after-lon/

    "Speaking after her silver medal in the 200m individual medley in the early hours of Wednesday morning, Siobhan-Marie O’Connor said: “The conditions we had for the holding camp were brilliant. To get the only 50m pool in Brazil to train in was perfect. We had a tough trials but it meant we came here the best prepared team.”

    I wonder what transferable training techniques will come out of Rio2016. Surely there's a wealth all manner of sports could copy or learn from.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,944

    On religion, it seems to me that if there are any supernatural powers, the ancients probably had it right with a whole set of jealous, squabbling gods; gods with honour but little morality, who are capricious, whimsical and at times downright cruel but who equally might, should the mood and their fancy take them, be beneficent too.

    On politics, no, the PLP won't unite around Corbyn when he's re-elected for more any longer than it takes for him to prove why all the reasons he failed in his first year will apply again in his second.

    And also, I've a new article out on Total Politics, if anyone's interested.

    https://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-tories-should-stand-jo-coxs-seat-after-all

    You are right in both your article and why the PLP won't unite around Corbyn. What they may do is go quiet and thus tacitly support him for who knows how long, as I cannot see them having the will to continue to fight him. But they said he was unfit to be leader. Winning a leadership contest, which he'd already proven he could do once, does not alter that they thought him unfit for the job. They can stop agitating against him, but if the bulk say now they do think he is fit for the job, when no new reason has emerged to change their view, means they would at worst be lying if they claimed so.

    As for standing in the Cox by-election, it didn't upset me that they decided to go with emotion and say they wouldn't contest, but you lay out why carrying on as normal is perfectly acceptable in such tragic situations.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    Trump is an idiot. It's no wonder he's getting confused.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472

    nunu said:

    Sturgeon moon tonight- an omen?

    Nicola Sturgeon is going to moon the English? Has she been watching the most historically inaccurate movie of all time again?

    I'm sure Morris Dancer was the historical consultant on Braveheart
    Massive lol
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    Dr. Prasannan, no.

    The octo-lemur say Clinton wins.

    Don't forget, their referendum forecast was spot on.

    Edited extra bit: forget the chap's name, but I heard the same story, only he was killed by his own hunting hounds.

    Mr Dancer, you are right, it was his own hounds - and his name was Actaeon.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,356
    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Usually, the inside of the skull would be lined with silver to prevent the alcohol from spilling out.

    King Alboin of the Lombards was an early Darwin award winner. He killed the King of the Gepids, and forced his daughter Rosamund to marry him. At feasts, he'd quaff from Rosamund's father's skull, and liked to taunt her with it. She smashed in his head with an axe while he was sleeping.
    People who obsess with domestic violence today , especially the non physical shouting kind, need this kind of perspective.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,944

    Mr. Eagles, a serious point: from watching the excellent Lindy Beige Youtube videos [much stuff on ancient warfare], it seems lots of films have a historical consultant so they can put 'historical consultant' in the credits, rather than to actually pay attention to anything he has to say.

    Mr. Herdson, quite. Zeus, Athena, Apollo and so forth seem more credible in personal terms than God. Plus, that era had a strong philosophical tradition from which morality was drawn, rather than bundling that up with theism. I think that would be much better today. Monotheism's apparent monopoly on morality is not a good thing.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. (John) M, theism's a nice idea, but the beliefs are not persuasive and the actions at the extreme end (because 'God' is on their side) are horrendous.

    A good man is quite capable of being good without a Flying Spaghetti Monster. A bad man will do worse (not least because groups form up for the purpose) if he believes he will be touched by His Noodly Appendage for acts of violence.

    Historical consultants I would think are there to advise on what things were really like or really happened, to help the director create the necessary verisimilitude. The important thing is it looks and feels real and accurate, not that it actually be so, unless it is a documentary. Frustrating when it is something basic and fundamental and there's no need to alter the story vision by being accurate.

    Which is fine, they are trying to tell interesting stories, although the downside is we end up sticking to well worn tropes with historical dressing, when sometimes reality, as best we can tell, was far more interesting that the standard historical movie tropes.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Usually, the inside of the skull would be lined with silver to prevent the alcohol from spilling out.

    King Alboin of the Lombards was an early Darwin award winner. He killed the King of the Gepids, and forced his daughter Rosamund to marry him. At feasts, he'd quaff from Rosamund's father's skull, and liked to taunt her with it. She smashed in his head with an axe while he was sleeping.
    Re: Northern Ireland, I tried to explain to my wife recently that Ian Paisley called alcohol The Devil's Buttermilk.

    She said, "oooh, can I have some? Where can we get that?"

    I had to explain, "no, that's what he calls *all* alcohol."
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    Charles said:

    On religion, it seems to me that if there are any supernatural powers, the ancients probably had it right with a whole set of jealous, squabbling gods; gods with honour but little morality, who are capricious, whimsical and at times downright cruel but who equally might, should the mood and their fancy take them, be beneficent too.

    On politics, no, the PLP won't unite around Corbyn when he's re-elected for more any longer than it takes for him to prove why all the reasons he failed in his first year will apply again in his second.

    And also, I've a new article out on Total Politics, if anyone's interested.

    https://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-tories-should-stand-jo-coxs-seat-after-all

    Very sensible. Which, if course, means it won't happen
    David is absolutely right.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Usually, the inside of the skull would be lined with silver to prevent the alcohol from spilling out.

    King Alboin of the Lombards was an early Darwin award winner. He killed the King of the Gepids, and forced his daughter Rosamund to marry him. At feasts, he'd quaff from Rosamund's father's skull, and liked to taunt her with it. She smashed in his head with an axe while he was sleeping.
    Re: Northern Ireland, I tried to explain to my wife recently that Ian Paisley called alcohol The Devil's Buttermilk.

    She said, "oooh, can I have some? Where can we get that?"

    I had to explain, "no, that's what he calls *all* alcohol."
    That sounds like Bailey's - URGH.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    John_M said:

    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    Trump is an idiot. It's no wonder he's getting confused.
    We are more likely to be calling him Mr. Bombastic.
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    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Usually, the inside of the skull would be lined with silver to prevent the alcohol from spilling out.

    King Alboin of the Lombards was an early Darwin award winner. He killed the King of the Gepids, and forced his daughter Rosamund to marry him. At feasts, he'd quaff from Rosamund's father's skull, and liked to taunt her with it. She smashed in his head with an axe while he was sleeping.
    Re: Northern Ireland, I tried to explain to my wife recently that Ian Paisley called alcohol The Devil's Buttermilk.

    She said, "oooh, can I have some? Where can we get that?"

    I had to explain, "no, that's what he calls *all* alcohol."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsFtiruIok
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Bribery and corruption by Team GB...disgraceful....

    The cost? ‘After everything else, the thing it took to persuade the military to let us use it was the installation of a new dishwasher for the officers’ mess,’ explained Timson. ‘For the price of that, the triathlon team are able to complete their preparations in the best way possible. ’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3745991/Team-GB-better-prepared-347m-Lottery-money-available.html#ixzz4HgUt0nW2

    I really enjoyed the swimming pool story - we nabbed one because a coach spotted it being built 3yrs ago.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/10/rio-olympics-2016-how-british-swimming-was-transformed-after-lon/

    "Speaking after her silver medal in the 200m individual medley in the early hours of Wednesday morning, Siobhan-Marie O’Connor said: “The conditions we had for the holding camp were brilliant. To get the only 50m pool in Brazil to train in was perfect. We had a tough trials but it meant we came here the best prepared team.”

    I wonder what transferable training techniques will come out of Rio2016. Surely there's a wealth all manner of sports could copy or learn from.
    And at the other end of the spectrum....apparently the Romanian weightlifters kit was so badly made it shrank in the wash and started to break up when put under strains of competition.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I wonder what transferable training techniques will come out of Rio2016. Surely there's a wealth all manner of sports could copy or learn from. ''

    And not just sports. We have potentially developed a world beating industry here that we should make sure to cash in on.

    The article says the Australians visited the Sheffield base recently. I hope we charged them for the privilege.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Afternoon all.

    Sturgeon mooning - Coleman’s Mustard & DishWasherGate – Another typical day on PB. :lol:
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    PlatoSaid said:

    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Usually, the inside of the skull would be lined with silver to prevent the alcohol from spilling out.

    King Alboin of the Lombards was an early Darwin award winner. He killed the King of the Gepids, and forced his daughter Rosamund to marry him. At feasts, he'd quaff from Rosamund's father's skull, and liked to taunt her with it. She smashed in his head with an axe while he was sleeping.
    Re: Northern Ireland, I tried to explain to my wife recently that Ian Paisley called alcohol The Devil's Buttermilk.

    She said, "oooh, can I have some? Where can we get that?"

    I had to explain, "no, that's what he calls *all* alcohol."
    That sounds like Bailey's - URGH.
    She loves Baileys.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    wasd said:

    MaxPB said:

    starting HS2 from ... Sheffield/Leeds down to Birmingham

    Given that they've yet to finalise the route around Sheffield, have a planning enquiry and then start on the multi-year process of everyone suing everyone, I'm not actually sure that we can bring the eastern section of HS2 part 2 materially forward even if the money suddenly appeared on May's doorstep.

    If the project was done underground that would completely sidestep the majority of planning issues and the route would be simple, as the crow flies.
    Would you really want to do a 3-4 hour journey underground? If you have no choice like the Channel tunnel then I suppose it is bearable (not done it myself) but as a regular thing? This island is crowded but it is not that crowded.
    If it was quicker and had wifi I'd love it. We travel in trains at night after all.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    Mr. M, or drinking vessels.

    Eye sockets. Sorry. Barbarians have to quaff or swill, not sip. Horns are pretty much compulsory. Clearly you are but an armchair, wannabe barbarian.
    Usually, the inside of the skull would be lined with silver to prevent the alcohol from spilling out.

    King Alboin of the Lombards was an early Darwin award winner. He killed the King of the Gepids, and forced his daughter Rosamund to marry him. At feasts, he'd quaff from Rosamund's father's skull, and liked to taunt her with it. She smashed in his head with an axe while he was sleeping.
    Re: Northern Ireland, I tried to explain to my wife recently that Ian Paisley called alcohol The Devil's Buttermilk.

    She said, "oooh, can I have some? Where can we get that?"

    I had to explain, "no, that's what he calls *all* alcohol."
    That sounds like Bailey's - URGH.
    She loves Baileys.
    I confess to once being fond of Kaluha - that's the one with the elephant label? But very long ago.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.
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    taffys said:

    ''I wonder what transferable training techniques will come out of Rio2016. Surely there's a wealth all manner of sports could copy or learn from. ''

    And not just sports. We have potentially developed a world beating industry here that we should make sure to cash in on.

    The article says the Australians visited the Sheffield base recently. I hope we charged them for the privilege.

    Should have told them back of the queue you whinging convicts...
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    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    wasd said:

    MaxPB said:

    starting HS2 from ... Sheffield/Leeds down to Birmingham

    Given that they've yet to finalise the route around Sheffield, have a planning enquiry and then start on the multi-year process of everyone suing everyone, I'm not actually sure that we can bring the eastern section of HS2 part 2 materially forward even if the money suddenly appeared on May's doorstep.

    If the project was done underground that would completely sidestep the majority of planning issues and the route would be simple, as the crow flies.
    Would you really want to do a 3-4 hour journey underground? If you have no choice like the Channel tunnel then I suppose it is bearable (not done it myself) but as a regular thing? This island is crowded but it is not that crowded.
    If it was quicker and had wifi I'd love it. We travel in trains at night after all.
    But you can't see anything at night! I try and do my "colouring in my Baker Atlas" journeys during daylight wherever possible.

    Although there was the time, two years ago, when I "accidentally" did the Stechford to Aston connection, and the Perry Barr east to south curve, at night-time, by virtue of catching the last fast train from Coventry to Brum (11.30pm). I had no idea it actually took this rather circuitous route until I saw Aston Villa FC out of the window!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,099
    John_M said:

    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    Trump is an idiot. It's no wonder he's getting confused.
    They are not exactly the same but both Leave and Trump relied on or rely on the white working class for their strongest support
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    edited August 2016
    Mr. Taffys, loose or shoot.

    Fire is wrong [I've probably used it before and try not to do so any more].

    Edited extra bit: eyes are going fuzzy, so I'm off now (alas, I rather like finickity historical discussions).
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Loose?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    Trump is an idiot. It's no wonder he's getting confused.
    They are not exactly the same but both Leave and Trump relied on or rely on the white working class for their strongest support
    So did Labour - once upon a time.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,099

    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    Trump is an idiot. It's no wonder he's getting confused.
    They are not exactly the same but both Leave and Trump relied on or rely on the white working class for their strongest support
    So did Labour - once upon a time.
    When Labour starts promising to cut immigration then it may be in the same league
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,287
    edited August 2016
    Silver in the two man spirit kayaking.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    It's far too early to judge the effects of the Brexit vote.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    edited August 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Pelosaurus brevis for the east London area
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited August 2016
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    See I'm not the only one making the comparison between Leavers and Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/766246213079498752

    Trump is an idiot. It's no wonder he's getting confused.
    They are not exactly the same but both Leave and Trump relied on or rely on the white working class for their strongest support
    So did Labour - once upon a time.
    When Labour starts promising to cut immigration then it may be in the same league
    @SeanT has a mug...
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    Silver in the two man spirit kayaking.

    Losers!!
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Pelosaurus brevis for the east London area
    The mighty Leedsichthys problematicus, the largest fish ever known - the Wye Valley.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
    Waiting until August data is eminently sensible. However, to call consumers ignorant and then base employment forecasts on sentiment based indices rather than hard data to justify his prediction of a slow down comes across as bitter.

    Contrast that with the comment from Berenberg, who say that we are likely to avoid a recession based on the latest available data. The facts have changed and so has their forecast.

    So far I think I'm going to beat our forecasting unit and many others out there. For someone who has never had any formal education in economics I'm not sure if that reflects well on me or badly on everyone else.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    notme said:

    Karma? Though there's going to be a few frightened Kippers after this.

    Flood destroys home of man who said gays were responsible for floods


    http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/18/flood-destroys-home-of-man-who-said-gays-were-responsible-for-floods-6075192/

    Has he thrown any gays off roof-tops like some of your co-religionists have done?
    They aren't my co-religionists

    Why are you obsessed with Muslims? Is there something about PB Essex people and their obsessions with me?
    Oi! Several times you have stated in threads and thread-headers "As a Muslim...".
    ISIS aren't Muslims.

    Next you'll be saying the IRA were Christian freedom fighters
    Er, you seem to miss the bit where IS call themselves "Islamic State", NOT "Christian State" or "Hindu State" or "Moonie State".
    Or Quaker State. When i think of Religion of Peace, I generally think of those guys...
    You mean like Nixon?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Silver in the two man spirit kayaking.

    China are beyond pissed off. :lol:
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    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Pelosaurus brevis for the east London area
    The mighty Leedsichthys problematicus, the largest fish ever known - the Wye Valley.
    Except fish aren't dinosaurs!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax


    Surely the closest dinosaur to most of us is Laboursauraus corbynus
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Pelosaurus brevis for the east London area
    The mighty Leedsichthys problematicus, the largest fish ever known - the Wye Valley.
    Except fish aren't dinosaurs!
    There's a disclaimer in the article Sunil. I get the only fish. Suck it up :).
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    The Azerbaijani at this canoeing medal ceremony looks like someone just shot his dog.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Umm, not sure who was doing what here

    Court News UK
    Consultant psychiatrist Nadir Omara struck off after he drunkenly called up a colleague while he masturbated
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: On Boris Johnson looking after the country in the absence of the PM:
    Have confidence: 36%
    Do not have confidence: 49%
    (via YouGov)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
    There's an infection of this thinking around certain parts of the media, people who until a couple of months ago were cheerleaders for good economic news are now at best reserved about it.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Don't you fire arrows? But perhaps we should borrow from the French and 'flesh an arrow'. Seems to conjure up a more graphic picture of what actually happens when bow hunting.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: On Boris Johnson looking after the country in the absence of the PM:
    Have confidence: 36%
    Do not have confidence: 49%
    (via YouGov)

    And when nothing happens?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Don't you fire arrows? But perhaps we should borrow from the French and 'flesh an arrow'. Seems to conjure up a more graphic picture of what actually happens when bow hunting.
    I always use 'loose'.
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    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Pelosaurus brevis for the east London area
    The mighty Leedsichthys problematicus, the largest fish ever known - the Wye Valley.
    Except fish aren't dinosaurs!
    There's a disclaimer in the article Sunil. I get the only fish. Suck it up :).
    I'll need a big straw :lol:
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    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Don't you fire arrows? But perhaps we should borrow from the French and 'flesh an arrow'. Seems to conjure up a more graphic picture of what actually happens when bow hunting.
    But there's no "fire" involved, is there? "Fire" is more appropriate for fire-arms.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    PlatoSaid said:

    Bribery and corruption by Team GB...disgraceful....

    The cost? ‘After everything else, the thing it took to persuade the military to let us use it was the installation of a new dishwasher for the officers’ mess,’ explained Timson. ‘For the price of that, the triathlon team are able to complete their preparations in the best way possible. ’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3745991/Team-GB-better-prepared-347m-Lottery-money-available.html#ixzz4HgUt0nW2

    I really enjoyed the swimming pool story - we nabbed one because a coach spotted it being built 3yrs ago.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/10/rio-olympics-2016-how-british-swimming-was-transformed-after-lon/

    "Speaking after her silver medal in the 200m individual medley in the early hours of Wednesday morning, Siobhan-Marie O’Connor said: “The conditions we had for the holding camp were brilliant. To get the only 50m pool in Brazil to train in was perfect. We had a tough trials but it meant we came here the best prepared team.”

    I wonder what transferable training techniques will come out of Rio2016. Surely there's a wealth all manner of sports could copy or learn from.
    The biggest lessons seem to be attention to detail, rigorous planning and, of course, determined implementation. Nothing new there.

    Frankly, as we seem to be doing especially well at the sports requiring excellent aerobic fitness and rapidly physiological recovery (cycling, rowing and, to a lesser extent, swimming), my guess is that our sports physiology team is our competitive advantage.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''China are beyond pissed off.''

    I read somewhere the People's Daily is going for the 'joy of taking part' these days after their underwhelming games.

    I wouldn't want to be in their performance director's sandals when its done.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
    Leavers would do better to drop this 'bitter remainers' trope and the related 'remoaners'. There are going to be costs from leaving and this was something that the leave campaign conceded, to their credit. Remember Boris' hockey stick analogy? Neither side has lost any face yet, and the country hasn't lost much money yet. Brexit is a long term project and it will be 10 or 20 years before we can even begin to assess what its impacts are. We might all have to modify our opinions in the light of what happens. But if the UK starts slipping down the international league table relative to our European partners I think the idea that Brexit was a good idea will get steadily harder to sustain. That's when you'll start to find it hard to find anyone who ever supported Brexit - or at least whatever kind of Brexit we actually undertook. If it doesn't I suspect nobody will change their minds - we just won't talk about it. Don't expect anyone to confess they got it wrong.
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    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Bribery and corruption by Team GB...disgraceful....

    The cost? ‘After everything else, the thing it took to persuade the military to let us use it was the installation of a new dishwasher for the officers’ mess,’ explained Timson. ‘For the price of that, the triathlon team are able to complete their preparations in the best way possible. ’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3745991/Team-GB-better-prepared-347m-Lottery-money-available.html#ixzz4HgUt0nW2

    I really enjoyed the swimming pool story - we nabbed one because a coach spotted it being built 3yrs ago.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/10/rio-olympics-2016-how-british-swimming-was-transformed-after-lon/

    "Speaking after her silver medal in the 200m individual medley in the early hours of Wednesday morning, Siobhan-Marie O’Connor said: “The conditions we had for the holding camp were brilliant. To get the only 50m pool in Brazil to train in was perfect. We had a tough trials but it meant we came here the best prepared team.”

    I wonder what transferable training techniques will come out of Rio2016. Surely there's a wealth all manner of sports could copy or learn from.
    The biggest lessons seem to be attention to detail, rigorous planning and, of course, determined implementation. Nothing new there.

    Frankly, as we seem to be doing especially well at the sports requiring excellent aerobic fitness and rapidly physiological recovery (cycling, rowing and, to a lesser extent, swimming), my guess is that our sports physiology team is our competitive advantage.
    Another thing that seems to be coming out is some of the individuals were competitors at other sports and scouted into different programs.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,661
    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax


    Surely the closest dinosaur to most of us is Laboursauraus corbynus
    I have Millionairus Stegosaurus Bolsoveri Chelseaque.


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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    PlatoSaid said:

    Silver in the two man spirit kayaking.

    China are beyond pissed off. :lol:
    I say, we beat China, we get Hong Kong back.

    If they're looking for a Governor, I'm game, and happy to seed my pith helmet with the feathers of a dead chicken.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
    Leavers would do better to drop this 'bitter remainers' trope and the related 'remoaners'. There are going to be costs from leaving and this was something that the leave campaign conceded, to their credit. Remember Boris' hockey stick analogy? Neither side has lost any face yet, and the country hasn't lost much money yet. Brexit is a long term project and it will be 10 or 20 years before we can even begin to assess what its impacts are. We might all have to modify our opinions in the light of what happens. But if the UK starts slipping down the international league table relative to our European partners I think the idea that Brexit was a good idea will get steadily harder to sustain. That's when you'll start to find it hard to find anyone who ever supported Brexit - or at least whatever kind of Brexit we actually undertook. If it doesn't I suspect nobody will change their minds - we just won't talk about it. Don't expect anyone to confess they got it wrong.
    Strange, I remember Osborne saying we'd need an emergency budget due to how calamitous a Brexit would be. No talk of the effects being so subtle that you'd need 10 or 20 years to assess them!
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508

    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
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    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
    You lose and find something.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    taffys said:

    ''China are beyond pissed off.''

    I read somewhere the People's Daily is going for the 'joy of taking part' these days after their underwhelming games.

    I wouldn't want to be in their performance director's sandals when its done.

    BBC Monitoring
    Chinese company fines staff for not commenting on boss's Weibo posts https://t.co/68wZATam8Q #NewsFromElsewhere https://t.co/e4zPJGVaHP
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    And right on queue, the ECB minutes are all about raising QE to €90bn per month and lowering the repo rate to -0.5%, how the German banks will survive that I don't know, but anyone who wants to brave the moral hazard should look at EU periphery debt for easy yield.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Don't you fire arrows? But perhaps we should borrow from the French and 'flesh an arrow'. Seems to conjure up a more graphic picture of what actually happens when bow hunting.
    But there's no "fire" involved, is there? "Fire" is more appropriate for fire-arms.
    Probably historically one shot an arrow (as in 'he shot his bolt'), but nowadays 'fire' is as commonly used as 'shot', despite the illogicality of it.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2016

    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
    Leavers would do better to drop this 'bitter remainers' trope and the related 'remoaners'. There are going to be costs from leaving and this was something that the leave campaign conceded, to their credit. Remember Boris' hockey stick analogy? Neither side has lost any face yet, and the country hasn't lost much money yet. Brexit is a long term project and it will be 10 or 20 years before we can even begin to assess what its impacts are. We might all have to modify our opinions in the light of what happens. But if the UK starts slipping down the international league table relative to our European partners I think the idea that Brexit was a good idea will get steadily harder to sustain. That's when you'll start to find it hard to find anyone who ever supported Brexit - or at least whatever kind of Brexit we actually undertook. If it doesn't I suspect nobody will change their minds - we just won't talk about it. Don't expect anyone to confess they got it wrong.
    I'm entirely mellow, and I haved used neither of those tropes. There are pros and cons to both Leave and Remain.

    I respect anyone, no matter which way they voted, simply because it's a complex, multi-faceted topic that none of us can fairly say we understood in its entirety. That said, I've seen a lot of entirely bogus rationales advanced by both sides.

    I've stated multiple times that I think the early triumphalism is misplaced, though it's good to see the economy didn't suffer an immediate heart attack. Based on all the forecasts, the long term economic out-turn is mildly negative to neutral. It's the 2019-2024 period that's the worry - that'll be down to how well the Tories execute the separation. Whether we capitalise on the opportunities is in the lap of the Gods.

    I will always hold my hand up as a Brexiteer.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,044
    MaxPB said:

    And right on queue, the ECB minutes are all about raising QE to €90bn per month and lowering the repo rate to -0.5%, how the German banks will survive that I don't know, but anyone who wants to brave the moral hazard should look at EU periphery debt for easy yield.

    Spain was under 1% out to 10 years already, and Italy wasn't much more
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    :neutral:

    Court News
    14-year-old became gun runner for gang of drug dealers because his mother didn't give him enough pocket money
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    John_M said:

    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Don't you fire arrows? But perhaps we should borrow from the French and 'flesh an arrow'. Seems to conjure up a more graphic picture of what actually happens when bow hunting.
    I always use 'loose'.
    'loose' just seems so un-kinetic.
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    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just read the Times write up on the retail sales figures, at the end there is a comment from Sam Tombs of Pantheon, it reads as if he is willing the country to contract and fall to bits. It's comments like his which make me think that there is a small proportion of bitter remainers who want the economy to fail so the vote is reversed.

    We've had two relatively positive pieces if hard data (not sentiment based indicators) and it feels like the small section of bitter remainers are now trying to make it fit their narrative of a stalling economy rather than change their narrative to suit the data.

    I think there's also an element of personal credibility and reputations being on the line. It's tremendously hard to admit to a personal mistake or misapprehension.

    I noticed a fair few 'just wait 'til the August numbers' asides in the Telegraph coverage.
    Leavers would do better to drop this 'bitter remainers' trope and the related 'remoaners'. .
    Oh, do stop REMOANING, please!

    :lol:

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Plesiosaur in Lyme Regis for me
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    PlatoSaid said:

    So cool

    Which Dinosaur Is Nearest To Your House?
    Dozens of species of dinosaurs lived in Britain. Find your local monster.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/when-dinosaurs-ruled-whitby?utm_term=.voBWaeJoW#.rej2G0DV2

    Mine is Becklespinax altispinax

    Plesiosaur in Lyme Regis for me
    Another non-dinosaur!
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    14-year-old became gun runner for gang of drug dealers because his mother didn't give him enough pocket money

    I think they target under agers because the penalties for adults are draconian.

    My Brother in law barrister says anyone caught with unlicensed working firearms is looking at a 10 stretch, especially if there's accompanying ammo.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,879

    Mr. Eagles, a serious point: from watching the excellent Lindy Beige Youtube videos [much stuff on ancient warfare], it seems lots of films have a historical consultant so they can put 'historical consultant' in the credits, rather than to actually pay attention to anything he has to say.

    Mr. Herdson, quite. Zeus, Athena, Apollo and so forth seem more credible in personal terms than God. Plus, that era had a strong philosophical tradition from which morality was drawn, rather than bundling that up with theism. I think that would be much better today. Monotheism's apparent monopoly on morality is not a good thing.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. (John) M, theism's a nice idea, but the beliefs are not persuasive and the actions at the extreme end (because 'God' is on their side) are horrendous.

    A good man is quite capable of being good without a Flying Spaghetti Monster. A bad man will do worse (not least because groups form up for the purpose) if he believes he will be touched by His Noodly Appendage for acts of violence.

    Plato bundled up morality with theism. In his Republic, atheists would have been executed.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    PlatoSaid said:

    Umm, not sure who was doing what here

    Court News UK
    Consultant psychiatrist Nadir Omara struck off after he drunkenly called up a colleague while he masturbated

    Surely more to it? Maybe a sacking offence (assuming he wasn't working at the time) but struck off seems harsh unless he was drunk on duty.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MTimT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Dr. Prasannan, that's the chap.

    Bit unfair on him. He was just on a hunt, and happened across a naked lady who took umbrage.

    Mr. kle4, I'm fairly relaxed about most such things, but do have some pet hates. Archers apparently all drawing back their bows and just holding it there is just ridiculous.

    What's the correct verb to launch an arrow?
    Don't you fire arrows? But perhaps we should borrow from the French and 'flesh an arrow'. Seems to conjure up a more graphic picture of what actually happens when bow hunting.
    Confusing vis-a-vis "fletching" an arrow
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    edited August 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    And right on queue, the ECB minutes are all about raising QE to €90bn per month and lowering the repo rate to -0.5%, how the German banks will survive that I don't know, but anyone who wants to brave the moral hazard should look at EU periphery debt for easy yield.

    Spain was under 1% out to 10 years already, and Italy wasn't much more
    Portugal would be my bet. 2.98% yield in 10y paper. Not going to find that easily elsewhere.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508

    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
    You lose and find something.
    Yes, but you loose an arrow, different meaning to lose - 'to loose' something is too unleash it, to let it go.
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    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
    You lose and find something.
    Yes, but you loose an arrow, different meaning to lose - 'to loose' something is too unleash it, to let it go.
    I think that's what Casino said!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,356
    taffys said:

    14-year-old became gun runner for gang of drug dealers because his mother didn't give him enough pocket money

    I think they target under agers because the penalties for adults are draconian.

    My Brother in law barrister says anyone caught with unlicensed working firearms is looking at a 10 stretch, especially if there's accompanying ammo.

    Well lack of pocket money and morals and any sense of right or wrong. I think his parents have slightly more to feel bad about than being mean with the pocket money.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508

    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
    You lose and find something.
    Yes, but you loose an arrow, different meaning to lose - 'to loose' something is too unleash it, to let it go.
    I think that's what Casino said!
    No, he said precisely the opposite.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,373
    edited August 2016

    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
    You lose and find something.
    Yes, but you loose an arrow, different meaning to lose - 'to loose' something is too unleash it, to let it go.
    I think that's what Casino said!
    No, he said precisely the opposite.
    Actually he was joking: you loose an arrow if you can find it again, otherwise you lose it.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,508

    taffys said:

    ''What's the correct verb to launch an arrow? ''

    Loose?

    Only if it lands on or near the target and you find it again.

    Otherwise it's lose.
    Other way around surely? (Unless I'm missing something - highly possible)
    You lose and find something.
    Yes, but you loose an arrow, different meaning to lose - 'to loose' something is too unleash it, to let it go.
    I think that's what Casino said!
    No, he said precisely the opposite.
    Actually he was joking: you loose an arrow if you can find it again, otherwise you lose it.
    I knew I was missing something. Thick Thursday for me I'm afraid.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,356
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    And right on queue, the ECB minutes are all about raising QE to €90bn per month and lowering the repo rate to -0.5%, how the German banks will survive that I don't know, but anyone who wants to brave the moral hazard should look at EU periphery debt for easy yield.

    Spain was under 1% out to 10 years already, and Italy wasn't much more
    Portugal would be my bet. 2.98% yield in 10y paper. Not going to find that easily elsewhere.
    So much of the gilt market is starting to remind me of the Big Short. It is blindingly obvious most of our sovereigns are irredeemably insolvent and only likely to become more so but people are desperate to lend them ever more money at ever tighter margins. It really is madness if you assume that the rules of the game still apply. The default (hah) assumption is therefore that they do not.
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