Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
You are right to be suspicious. The "stairs" photograph is genuine but was used out of context as a 'stock photo' this month when other rumours started doing the rounds.
It was actually taken when she was campaigning in South Carolina in February:
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
It says they're using activist-led primaries, followed by FPTP. This is a really bad combination.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire and Hillary a top lawyer and former Secretary of State, there may be other more likeable and appealing candidates but given the leader of our opposition is Jeremy Corbyn, who has never had a proper job outside politics and has 2 Es at A Level and dropped out of his degree, I don't think we should criticise the US too much
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire and Hillary a top lawyer and former Secretary of State, there may be other more likeable and appealing candidates but given the leader of our opposition is Jeremy Corbyn, who has never had a proper job outside politics and has 2 Es at A Level, I don't think we should criticise the US too much
Fair, but we the public don't choose the leaders of our parties, or haven't anywhere to the same extent. The failings of our leaders is therefore down to us less than with them.
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching above their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching about their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Seems to be a historical trend for Hungary to punch above their weight. I think they have some swimming Golds, that always helps given how many Golds are on offer.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
You are right to be suspicious. The "stairs" photograph is genuine but was used out of context as a 'stock photo' this month when other rumours started doing the rounds.
It was actually taken when she was campaigning in South Carolina in February:
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching about their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Seems to be a historical trend for Hungary to punch above their weight. I think they have some swimming Golds, that always helps given how many Golds are on offer.
Indeed. There are some issues I think having sports that people are already massively into, unlike (sorry) athletics and others for which this is their big moment every 4 years (comparatively) but Cricket makes pretty good sense as while only a few nations are really good and thus medal contenders, generally, for Twenty20 you do have a better chance of smaller nations having a good run and some shocks, places like Afghanistan.
It would be a bit rough on Jamaica, Barbados etc. having to compete as separate countries.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Brown was the most popular leader in the CP21, how much more bright and great can you get?
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching about their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Seems to be a historical trend for Hungary to punch above their weight. I think they have some swimming Golds, that always helps given how many Golds are on offer.
Fencing is their thing isn't it historically?
Ah, of course. I now have an image of a moustachioed Hungarian count.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
I think it says that they have a deeply corrupt political system and, as with all empires, are now firmly on the slide downwards.
Any sign of Tyson to update us on which of these gold are invalid because they are too posho or too Tory?
The facts of sport, like the facts of life, are conservative. Tyson apparently likes boxing at the Olympics: a couple of blokes smacking each other about at Baron de Coubertin's games, according to the Marquess of Queensberry's rules.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire
Millionaire.
Forbes says he is a billionaire, net worth $4.5 billion. He is the richest nominee for either the Democrats or Republicans ever (albeit JFK's father would have been a billionaire in today's terms) http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/illion
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching about their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Seems to be a historical trend for Hungary to punch above their weight. I think they have some swimming Golds, that always helps given how many Golds are on offer.
Fencing is their thing isn't it historically?
Hungary are currently leading in the Team Epee Fencing Bronze medal match.
The BBC coverage is truly comprehensive. I am watching it live.
Indeed. There are some issues I think having sports that people are already massively into, unlike (sorry) athletics and others for which this is their big moment every 4 years (comparatively) but Cricket makes pretty good sense as while only a few nations are really good and thus medal contenders, generally, for Twenty20 you do have a better chance of smaller nations having a good run and some shocks, places like Afghanistan.
It would be a bit rough on Jamaica, Barbados etc. having to compete as separate countries.
Unlike India and Pakistan, some of the West Indies already get competitive for medals.
They could always come together in a federation if it means that much to them. Has to be a way to be a Union and compete together at some things and separately at others, we did it for football in 2012.
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching about their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Seems to be a historical trend for Hungary to punch above their weight. I think they have some swimming Golds, that always helps given how many Golds are on offer.
Fencing is their thing isn't it historically?
They have Katinka Hosszu who is, like Phelps, a one person team of their own. Otherwise they'd be level with Kazakhstan (a couple of golds).
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
I think it says that they have a deeply corrupt political system and, as with all empires, are now firmly on the slide downwards.
Bush, Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Mrs Clinton doesn't make for happy reading.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
I think it says that they have a deeply corrupt political system and, as with all empires, are now firmly on the slide downwards.
Bush, Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Mrs Clinton doesn't make for happy reading.
I'm still mad we missed out on Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush. Given the ages of all concerned it was possible.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire and Hillary a top lawyer and former Secretary of State, there may be other more likeable and appealing candidates but given the leader of our opposition is Jeremy Corbyn, who has never had a proper job outside politics and has 2 Es at A Level, I don't think we should criticise the US too much
Fair, but we the public don't choose the leaders of our parties, or haven't anywhere to the same extent. The failings of our leaders is therefore down to us less than with them.
Actually we do more than ever before, while we don't have the primaries which picked Trump and Clinton, Corbyn was picked by hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and May would also have been chosen by party members had Leadsom not dropped out
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
The tax returns wouldn't prove anything either way, even if his taxable income were $0.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
I think they claim that the Trump brand is worth a lot of money (well WAS worth a lot of money).
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
The only billionaire party leader we have ever had was Sir James Goldsmith who led the Referendum Party in 1997!
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Brown was the most popular leader in the CP21, how much more bright and great can you get?
Looking at the medals table Hungary also seem to be punching about their weight (5 gold, 3 silver, 3 bronze). Contrast for example, with Portugal currently on 1 bronze).
Seems to be a historical trend for Hungary to punch above their weight. I think they have some swimming Golds, that always helps given how many Golds are on offer.
Fencing is their thing isn't it historically?
They have Katinka Hosszu who is, like Phelps, a one person team of their own. Otherwise they'd be level with Kazakhstan (a couple of golds).
I'd been watching some swimming and then realised that Denmark leads us in medals per capita. Maybe level with Hungary:
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
There is a big difference between income and capital. The latter needs offsetting to liabilities though. I expect his wealth is complicated by the variety of companies he works through.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
I think it says that they have a deeply corrupt political system and, as with all empires, are now firmly on the slide downwards.
Bush, Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Mrs Clinton doesn't make for happy reading.
I'm still mad we missed out on Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush. Given the ages of all concerned it was possible.
The next George Bush will do better.
But it would have ruined the line that Clinton was first the president after Bush and then the president who came between Bushes.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire and Hillary a top lawyer and former Secretary of State, there may be other more likeable and appealing candidates but given the leader of our opposition is Jeremy Corbyn, who has never had a proper job outside politics and has 2 Es at A Level, I don't think we should criticise the US too much
Fair, but we the public don't choose the leaders of our parties, or haven't anywhere to the same extent. The failings of our leaders is therefore down to us less than with them.
Actually we do more than ever before, while we don't have the primaries which picked Trump and Clinton, Corbyn was picked by hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and May would also have been chosen by party members had Leadsom not dropped out
More than ever before is still less than in the states was the point, inasmuch as absolving us goes. We also don't know May would have won. Probably, but the very fact they were not asked, and not many people cared, shoes a difference.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
I think they claim that the Trump brand is worth a lot of money (well WAS worth a lot of money).
He values his name at $3 billion dollars. But like many things Trump values I'm sure it is flexible, like that golf course of Trump's which seems to have shed 100s of millions when it came to valuing it for tax purposes
Indeed. There are some issues I think having sports that people are already massively into, unlike (sorry) athletics and others for which this is their big moment every 4 years (comparatively) but Cricket makes pretty good sense as while only a few nations are really good and thus medal contenders, generally, for Twenty20 you do have a better chance of smaller nations having a good run and some shocks, places like Afghanistan.
It would be a bit rough on Jamaica, Barbados etc. having to compete as separate countries.
Unlike India and Pakistan, some of the West Indies already get competitive for medals.
They could always come together in a federation if it means that much to them. Has to be a way to be a Union and compete together at some things and separately at others, we did it for football in 2012.
Our girls should be competing as GB at these games but those w****** in Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast vetoed it.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
Hmmm, an estimate of wealth by Forbes ... or one by "Alistair from the Internet" .... toughie.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
You are right to be suspicious. The "stairs" photograph is genuine but was used out of context as a 'stock photo' this month when other rumours started doing the rounds.
It was actually taken when she was campaigning in South Carolina in February:
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
I think it says that they have a deeply corrupt political system and, as with all empires, are now firmly on the slide downwards.
Bush, Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Mrs Clinton doesn't make for happy reading.
Quote so, Mr. M., a long way from what the writers of the constitution expected and wanted, I think. Of course, there is one candidate this year who seems to want to point out the corruption in the system. His cause isn't helped by the fact that he seems to be barking mad.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire and Hillary a top lawyer and former Secretary of State, there may be other more likeable and appealing candidates but given the leader of our opposition is Jeremy Corbyn, who has never had a proper job outside politics and has 2 Es at A Level, I don't think we should criticise the US too much
Fair, but we the public don't choose the leaders of our parties, or haven't anywhere to the same extent. The failings of our leaders is therefore down to us less than with them.
Actually we do more than ever before, while we don't have the primaries which picked Trump and Clinton, Corbyn was picked by hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and May would also have been chosen by party members had Leadsom not dropped out
More than ever before is still less than in the states was the point, inasmuch as absolving us goes. We also don't know May would have won. Probably, but the very fact they were not asked, and not many people cared, shoes a difference.
All the polls showed May was the most popular candidate, both with the public and Tory members, I doubt primaries would have made much difference. Burnham may have done better in primaries than he did with the membership but I expect Corbyn would still have won in the end, especially if they were mainly closed primaries
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Until we see those tax returns I'm going with millionaire. After all he's repeatedly claimed for a tax break for people earning less than $500,000 a year.
Hmmm, an estimate of wealth by Forbes ... or one by "Alistair from the Internet" .... toughie.
All he has to do is release his tax returns and we'll know.
The rumours are that he isn't as rich as claimed, he pays a negligible tax rate and his finances are mostly sourced from outside the US.
Does anyone else think Clinton will only do 1 term if she is elected?
Yes. Her health will never last 8 years at her age under that kind of pressure.
There were pictures last week of her being helped up some stairs with helpers taking both arms. Her poor health isn't a theoretical fear - it's on open display.
There was also a picture of her having clearly not made it to the toilet in time. I assumed that both were photo-shopped fakes. Who knows? That the dreadful old bat might become president of the USA is a terrible indictment of the state of that country.
It's not so much that they've chosen Clinton. They've chosen total duds in the past and will again in the future. What worries me is that in a nation of approximately 300 million they've got a choice between her and Trump. I mean - seriously?!! What does that say about them?
There is definitely a thing where our brightest and best don't touch politics with a barge poll.
Trump is a billionaire and Hillary a top lawyer and former Secretary of State, there may be other more likeable and appealing candidates but given the leader of our opposition is Jeremy Corbyn, who has never had a proper job outside politics and has 2 Es at A Level, I don't think we should criticise the US too much
Fair, but we the public don't choose the leaders of our parties, or haven't anywhere to the same extent. The failings of our leaders is therefore down to us less than with them.
Actually we do more than ever before, while we don't have the primaries which picked Trump and Clinton, Corbyn was picked by hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and May would also have been chosen by party members had Leadsom not dropped out
More than ever before is still less than in the states was the point, inasmuch as absolving us goes. We also don't know May would have won. Probably, but the very fact they were not asked, and not many people cared, shoes a difference.
All the polls showed May was the most popular candidate, both with the public and Tory members, I doubt primaries would have made much difference.
Never said they would have. As I made clear twice that wasn't the point being made.
James Toney Don't think people realise just how far @TeamGB have come in 20 years. Here's the top 25 medal table from Atlanta. https://t.co/TPsLGGm2kL
Someone going by #KeepCorbyn seems to be very unhappy with the situation due to the 'stealth tax' on the poor that the government cannot 'absolve' itself from.
Fighting on every front, comrades. I expect this is another of those situations where the actually poor are not as angry about something that people who 'care' about the poor think they should be angry about.
James Toney Don't think people realise just how far @TeamGB have come in 20 years. Here's the top 25 medal table from Atlanta. https://t.co/TPsLGGm2kL
I think this has been mentioned by a few posters on here, but if you were born in the mid to late 1980s, you grew up with a sense of Britain being pretty rubbish at most sport. I think the low point was when we were bowled out by Eddo Brandes - a Zimbabwean chicken farmer. It must have been quite an odd feeling in 1996 for Redgrave and Pinsent to be the only gold medallists. I can remember Jason Quealley winning gold in Sydney and it was very unexpected (at least no one was talking about him), but those games were quite a turnaround from Atlanta.
If Trumpolini were elected, it would be bound to come out that he secretly converted to Islam in 2002 and has been channelling billions of dollars to Daesh on the orders of Vladimir Putin. In that event, impeachment would be extremely likely.
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It was actually taken when she was campaigning in South Carolina in February:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/08/08/rumor-check-photo-of-clinton-being-helped-up-stairs-goes-viral-but-theres-more-to-the-story/
You are completely right about the incontinence one. This is the original un-'shopped pic and background:
http://www.snopes.com/photograph-incontinent-hillary-clinton/
Gotcha!
Dr Mark Porter
Love a graph - and trends
#RioOlympics2016 https://t.co/5pZIXp238w
Two up
Neither is a bar to high office. Indeed our new PM has insulin dependent diabetes so is not in the best of health either.
http://www.forbes.com/donald-trump/
I know the feeling, just had a late Sunday lunch...certainly not up for 3 sets of tennis....might be in bed by 10!
http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/illion
Oh and no pressure Cavendish.
The BBC coverage is truly comprehensive. I am watching it live.
They could always come together in a federation if it means that much to them. Has to be a way to be a Union and compete together at some things and separately at others, we did it for football in 2012.
A must watch
Chris Boardman
REMARKABLE footage RT @JustBanter__: Mum: if your friends jumped off a cliff would you do it too?
Me: https://t.co/RiF10upprv
The next George Bush will do better.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016/medals/countries/denmark.
Pommel
Floor
Golf
Windsurf ( just made official)
Finn (Tuesday conformation)
Silver
Pommel
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36688211
Don't think people realise just how far @TeamGB have come in 20 years. Here's the top 25 medal table from Atlanta. https://t.co/TPsLGGm2kL
On Tyson scale is windsurf a posh sport?
The rumours are that he isn't as rich as claimed, he pays a negligible tax rate and his finances are mostly sourced from outside the US.
I'm top of the PB fantasy football league.
The smile will have to be surgically removed from my face!
Matches Wiggins
Fighting on every front, comrades. I expect this is another of those situations where the actually poor are not as angry about something that people who 'care' about the poor think they should be angry about.
(Dreamlines IV - Ludovic Woerth & Jokke Sommer)
Except ... if you look at 1 min 1 sec, is that the wingsuiter in blue lying in the bottom of the gully?
It is based on the skills that a Cavalry Officer needed when trapped behind enemy lines:
Swimming
Cross country running
Riding on an unfamiliar horse
Fencing
Pistol shooting.
The clincher: until 1952 Enlisted men and Other Ranks were barred from entering. They were considered professionals while Officers were Amateurs!