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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    And yet you show no indication of doing so.
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    OK, fair enough, we agree to bear the brunt of tax rises or spending cuts, if they are required. Whether or not they are required, however, will largely be the result of the policy decisions taken between now and whenever we leave the EU, and most probably the few years immediately following formal Brexit. Consequently, as it will be us taking the economic hit, it needs to be us making the decisions; pro-Remain members of the government, as well senior members of the civil service and the Bank of England, must either stand aside, or explicitly renounce their Remainerism and agree to be counted among the Leave voters who will pay the price if it all fails.

    What would be intolerable is such a scheme under the current regime (particularly the Governor of the B of E), which has every incentive to punish us, and to make the process of leaving appear shambolic and costly. Until then, it must be recalled that the 52% have almost no influence on policy and very few representatives among senior policy makers, and as such cannot be considered responsible for everything that happens going forward.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Sean_F said:

    The idea of making those who voted for Brexit appeals to me although maybe a more subtle approach will be required.

    After all, the elderly population who voted for those pesky EU migrants to go home will be paying a far greater price than just the loss of their "triple-lock", by virtue of the fact that they will no longer have their daily visits from their Lithuanian care-worker or the nice lady with the accent who calls every evening to put them to bed, as they've all buggered off back home.

    Maybe a hike in inheritance tax would be more appropriate to take advantage of the increased number of wealthy old bigots popping their clogs during the winter while their dependents and their families are off on their Alpine ski-ing holidays.

    But, they mostly voted Remain, so you'd be punishing the wrong people. It's poorer people that you want to be punishing.
    You'd be punishing the beneficiaries of their estates actually. Who are mostly young.

    Maybe that would be appropriate after all. The young mostly supported remain but couldn't be arsed to vote. It might be a lesson to them to get off their lazy backsides next time.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:

    Consider if it had been an equally unbalanced article from the other side of the river.

    I already posted the Telegraph article, and I made it through (while PMSL)
    I'm not a subscriber any longer, either online or paper.
    There may still be a copy at my club so I will look there after work. Thanks for the tip.
    The Telegraph has gone massively down the toilet in the last few years. The redesign of their website just made it so much worse.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    GeoffM said:

    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    And yet you show no indication of doing so.
    As we lost, in some ill-defined manner, the article doesn't put the onus on us.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    Those who are wrong, of course, already lost. By definition.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,850
    Quite the silliest header ever!

    Should we tax the working class most heavily to pay for any spending Labour might promise?

    Undermining the result and punishing those that voted for it isn't democratic in any sense.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,097

    Maybe a hike in inheritance tax would be more appropriate to take advantage of the increased number of wealthy old bigots popping their clogs during the winter while their dependents and their families are off on their Alpine ski-ing holidays.

    The affects of inheritance tax are not felt by the "Weathly old bigots" as you call them. They are felt by the younger generations who will see the State confiscating the gift from Granny that lets them buy their first home.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    SkyNews
    59-year-old man arrested over the sectarian murder of 10 Protestant workers at Kingsmill in Northern Ireland https://t.co/fFIsoBpBXO

    They'd probably have voted Leave, though, if they'd survived to the present day.
    Busy today

    SkyNews
    Police in Northern Ireland have uncovered a significant dissident republican arms dump in #Lurgan & are dealing with fully constructed bomb
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,039
    Welcome to pb.com, Mr. Bayliss.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,326

    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    Those who are wrong, of course, already lost. By definition.
    If the majority is always right then we should do away with parliament and just have plebiscites on everything.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,097
    RobD said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:

    Consider if it had been an equally unbalanced article from the other side of the river.

    I already posted the Telegraph article, and I made it through (while PMSL)
    I'm not a subscriber any longer, either online or paper.
    There may still be a copy at my club so I will look there after work. Thanks for the tip.
    The Telegraph has gone massively down the toilet in the last few years. The redesign of their website just made it so much worse.
    http://order-order.com/2016/08/05/telegraphs-viewed-story-crank-doomsday-video/
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071
    How many overs did England bowl between lunch and tea? 20? I'd be asking for my money back.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,799

    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    Those who are wrong, of course, already lost. By definition.
    If the majority is always right then we should do away with parliament and just have plebiscites on everything.
    Such a radical idea would need to be endorsed by the people in a referendum.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    Those who are wrong, of course, already lost. By definition.
    If the majority is always right then we should do away with parliament and just have plebiscites on everything.
    For constitutional questions, certainly.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,097
    edited August 2016

    How many overs did England bowl between lunch and tea? 20? I'd be asking for my money back.

    Yep, 20 overs. Was 116 at Lunch and 136 at Tea.

    44 ovs tonight for England's batsmen, if they don't stop early.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    edited August 2016
    Sandpit said:

    How many overs did England bowl between lunch and tea? 20? I'd be asking for my money back.

    Yep, 20 overs. Was 116 at Lunch and 136 at Tea.
    Captain Cook doing the best to destroy my position (Was on Pakistan at the change at ~ 6-4) daren't look at the odds now !
    Serves me right for being such a heathen ;)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    edited August 2016
    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,841
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    SkyNews
    59-year-old man arrested over the sectarian murder of 10 Protestant workers at Kingsmill in Northern Ireland https://t.co/fFIsoBpBXO

    They'd probably have voted Leave, though, if they'd survived to the present day.
    Perhaps we should have a law like Logan's Run and euthanise the old.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    PlatoSaid said:

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    SkyNews
    59-year-old man arrested over the sectarian murder of 10 Protestant workers at Kingsmill in Northern Ireland https://t.co/fFIsoBpBXO

    They'd probably have voted Leave, though, if they'd survived to the present day.
    Busy today

    SkyNews
    Police in Northern Ireland have uncovered a significant dissident republican arms dump in #Lurgan & are dealing with fully constructed bomb
    We will probably talk about it all day today here on PB.

    Pity I wanted to twist the knife on Owen Smith.
    Team Corbyn are now pleading with Smith to say in the race :

    https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/761346789584896000

    "Please don't drop out, we are having such fun beating you"
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    Presumably, there'd have to be extra taxes on white people, who voted 53/47 Leave.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Toms said:

    Very good Mr. Meeks. I agree completely.
    As for most of our politics this country is essentially bifurcated, for instance exemplified by the 1st few comments on this thread.
    Sadly, lacking rigour, this referendum has split us into those who are right and those who're wrong.
    And those who're wrong should carry a few cans.

    Those who are wrong, of course, already lost. By definition.
    That's as good a definition of "wrong" as any these days I guess. And, mind you, the banks are now talking about charging just to keep our money, so logic appears to, um, be malleable.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,326
    We could be the first country to introduce paperless passports and then just have an option in the app to change between patriotic blue and European burgundy.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,751
    edited August 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071
    Sandpit said:

    How many overs did England bowl between lunch and tea? 20? I'd be asking for my money back.

    Yep, 20 overs. Was 116 at Lunch and 136 at Tea.

    44 ovs tonight for England's batsmen, if they don't stop early.
    How can they get away with that?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,039
    Mr. Glenn, and for those of us unencumbered by a mobile telephone?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,326
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    You'd think they'd at least get rid of the French slogan.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    Can we have interest / mortgage rate increases and house prices decreases for 'Remainers' as they promised us.

    Apart from that a great tantrum from Vapid bilge.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    "Honi" is of course not proper French any more(!)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    General Election
    A few anomalies when YOUGOV try to predict what the don't knows will do

    https://t.co/NeUG9DHcfY

    Your thoughts are welcome
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    A whole load of vapid bilge.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    Plenty of french words inside the EU passport (although I think that's convention rather than being in the EU)!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,799

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    "Honi" is of course not proper French any more(!)
    What about "Quim"?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    "Honi" is of course not proper French any more(!)
    What about "Quim"?
    Oh, those words are still on the current style passport, in the coat of arms.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,135
    To date, Leavers have shown no interest in those of us who voted Remain, telling us alternately to “suck it up, losers”, to stop talking down Britain whenever we note with dismay that all the economic indicators are making honking noises or to stop standing on the sidelines and make Leave work

    I, for one, have urged Remainers and SoftBrexiteers to work together to ensure what I perceive to be the better option, which is a lighter rather than Hard Brexit. Which you reference in some leavers attempting to 'co-opt' remainers. Which makes you insistence leavers have shown no interest in those who voted remain contradictory to mere paragraphs before.

    And while it is impossible not to agree that immigration was a key concern for many, that a disagreeable immigration settlement must happen because of the vote is logically unsound, because even as much as the vote itself was advisory (if politically impossible to ignore), the vote did not specify that such a deal must happen, no matter how many times you insist it did. So the need to press ahead with a negative immigration deal is, like Brexit itself, dependent on politics, and while it is a key concern for many, it is a much easier one to slide on to some degree.

    I happen to think we will get a harder deal on immigration than some softleavers would like, but the idea it must happen is pure nonsense, no different to the idea that as Leave won we should have a Leaver PM. It's just a question of if there is political will to try to slide on that aspect of Brexit. There probably will not be, but it is a much more achievable aim than the die hard remainers who, unlike you, have not accepted Brexit.
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    MontyMonty Posts: 346
    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    There's obviously no plan even now. Get rid of the triple lock immediately.
    Batten down the hatches and prepare for a rocky 10 years.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    You'd think they'd at least get rid of the French slogan.
    Norman French, right? La Reyne le veult.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, there'd have to be extra taxes on white people, who voted 53/47 Leave.

    @AlistairMeeks will have to change his race & gender to get the full set of "Remain" points I'm afraid.

    Pro-Remain points: "A"; Londoner; Lib-Lab-Green swing voter; Gay
    Neutral: 40-50 yrs old
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male.

    I think @the_apocalypse collects the whole set of "Pro-remain" pidgeon holing points on this board:

    For me it is:

    Pro-Remain points: LD; Under 40
    Neutral: C1 (I think ?)
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male / Straight / Rural

    The full Brexit would be UKIP / 65 + / D2E / White / Male / Straight / Rural I think.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    A few anomalies when YOUGOV try to predict what the don't knows will do

    https://t.co/NeUG9DHcfY

    Your thoughts are welcome

    It's the YouGov mystery sauce of likelihood to vote.
    You should ask the cook, Mr.Kellner, for the secret recipe.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,135
    Didn't poorer people back Leave a lot more than the rich? Good luck asking them to pay more, even if it were fair.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
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    Speedy said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    A few anomalies when YOUGOV try to predict what the don't knows will do

    https://t.co/NeUG9DHcfY

    Your thoughts are welcome

    It's the YouGov mystery sauce of likelihood to vote.
    You should ask the cook, Mr.Kellner, for the secret recipe.
    Why? Peter Kellner no longer works for YouGov
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    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    "Honi" is of course not proper French any more(!)
    Honi soit qui mal y pense is actually Scottish. It was the motto of Black Watch, they were hard as nails.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    You'd think they'd at least get rid of the French slogan.
    Norman French, right? La Reyne le veult.
    I thought TSE would be pleased, apparently the "mon droit" part of "dieu et mon droit" refers to the claim on the French throne.. :D
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,135
    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048

    Speedy said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    A few anomalies when YOUGOV try to predict what the don't knows will do

    https://t.co/NeUG9DHcfY

    Your thoughts are welcome

    It's the YouGov mystery sauce of likelihood to vote.
    You should ask the cook, Mr.Kellner, for the secret recipe.
    Why? Peter Kellner no longer works for YouGov
    Do you feel you have enough "remain" points to be part of the chosen ones :) ?
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    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    And all spending should go to Tories. Anyone else, fuck them, they don't want the government so why should the government spend a penny on them.

    Or not ...
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    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, there'd have to be extra taxes on white people, who voted 53/47 Leave.

    @AlistairMeeks will have to change his race & gender to get the full set of "Remain" points I'm afraid.

    Pro-Remain points: "A"; Londoner; Lib-Lab-Green swing voter; Gay
    Neutral: 40-50 yrs old
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male.

    I think @the_apocalypse collects the whole set of "Pro-remain" pidgeon holing points on this board:

    For me it is:

    Pro-Remain points: LD; Under 40
    Neutral: C1 (I think ?)
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male / Straight / Rural

    The full Brexit would be UKIP / 65 + / D2E / White / Male / Straight / Rural I think.
    What about me?

    I'm a working class Northerner descendant of immigrants, who voted Remain, I should get the full points.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    A few anomalies when YOUGOV try to predict what the don't knows will do

    https://t.co/NeUG9DHcfY

    Your thoughts are welcome

    It's the YouGov mystery sauce of likelihood to vote.
    You should ask the cook, Mr.Kellner, for the secret recipe.
    Why? Peter Kellner no longer works for YouGov
    Do you feel you have enough "remain" points to be part of the chosen ones :) ?
    Oh God Yes.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,135

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    And all spending should go to Tories. Anyone else, fuck them, they don't want the government so why should the government spend a penny on them.

    Or not ...
    No, it;s perfect. You don't vote for something, it's not fair it applies to you, that's democracy.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    A few anomalies when YOUGOV try to predict what the don't knows will do

    https://t.co/NeUG9DHcfY

    Your thoughts are welcome

    It's the YouGov mystery sauce of likelihood to vote.
    You should ask the cook, Mr.Kellner, for the secret recipe.
    Why? Peter Kellner no longer works for YouGov
    Since this is an EU ref article, why not include the ex-president of Yougov who predicted a comfy Remain victory at the night of the count ?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,326

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    https://twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    You'd think they'd at least get rid of the French slogan.
    Norman French, right? La Reyne le veult.
    We should really use British French. "Creme de la menthe Rodders. Mange tout."
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
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    I think it's a great idea. It needs to be rolled out to other things as well, though. We need to ensure your voting slip is identifiable, so that when anything in a party's manifesto that you voted for goes tits up, you can be billed for it, or accept a good shoeing in lieu of payment. Think of the fun we could have, and the money to be made? Governments waste so much money, the whole nation will be walking around with black eyes and empty wallets.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,867

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    "Honi" is of course not proper French any more(!)
    Honi soit qui mal y pense is actually Scottish. It was the motto of Black Watch, they were hard as nails.
    Nemo me impune lacessit, I think. No-one hurts me and gets away with it. On various Scottish things - pound coins, Edinburgh Castle etc
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    That's actually a pretty good idea and I like it very much.

    I'd suggest though that the EU versions are dual-printed in Arabic. It'll save having to get them all reprinted in about a decade when you'll need that to get around most of France and Germany.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    edited August 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, there'd have to be extra taxes on white people, who voted 53/47 Leave.

    @AlistairMeeks will have to change his race & gender to get the full set of "Remain" points I'm afraid.

    Pro-Remain points: "A"; Londoner; Lib-Lab-Green swing voter; Gay
    Neutral: 40-50 yrs old
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male.

    I think @the_apocalypse collects the whole set of "Pro-remain" pidgeon holing points on this board:

    For me it is:

    Pro-Remain points: LD; Under 40
    Neutral: C1 (I think ?)
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male / Straight / Rural

    The full Brexit would be UKIP / 65 + / D2E / White / Male / Straight / Rural I think.
    What about me?

    I'm a working class Northerner descendant of immigrants, who voted Remain, I should get the full points.
    You'll need to become a friend of Dorothy to bag them all I'm afraid. Also Sheffield voted to "leave" ;)
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    To continue the NI theme

    RUC Diary
    Wednesday 4 April 1984 ~ An angry man requested we give him the name of the soldier who has been sleeping with both his wife and daughter.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?
    Haven't yet crossed that particular rubicon...
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    FF43 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    Remainers get to have the red passport, but with 12 stars instead of the lions on the front. However it does allow you to still work and live and move round anywhere in Europe. It has "European union" on the front.

    This would reflect both the leave group's need for "sovereignty" and the remain's group desire to still be able to enjoy all their freedoms pre-Brexit (Whilst acknowledging that a remain vote would have meant ever closer union).

    A fair compromise !

    I'm not keen on the old UK passport, far too many French words on the front of it. I'm English not French.

    You don't get that nonsense on the red EU passport.

    By God it's my right not to have French words on the front of my passport
    "Honi" is of course not proper French any more(!)
    Honi soit qui mal y pense is actually Scottish. It was the motto of Black Watch, they were hard as nails.
    Nemo me impune lacessit, I think. No-one hurts me and gets away with it. On various Scottish things - pound coins, Edinburgh Castle etc
    Bugger, where's the edit button
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,610
    Not entirely sure why rural broadband is on the hit list here. Only a few millions. Surely there will need to be far more substantial cuts?
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?
    Haven't yet crossed that particular rubicon...
    Make sure you don't cross that Rubicon.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,135
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

    Math is kinda weird, since mathematics has an s on the end. Mathematic doesn't sound right...
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    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, there'd have to be extra taxes on white people, who voted 53/47 Leave.

    @AlistairMeeks will have to change his race & gender to get the full set of "Remain" points I'm afraid.

    Pro-Remain points: "A"; Londoner; Lib-Lab-Green swing voter; Gay
    Neutral: 40-50 yrs old
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male.

    I think @the_apocalypse collects the whole set of "Pro-remain" pidgeon holing points on this board:

    For me it is:

    Pro-Remain points: LD; Under 40
    Neutral: C1 (I think ?)
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male / Straight / Rural

    The full Brexit would be UKIP / 65 + / D2E / White / Male / Straight / Rural I think.
    What about me?

    I'm a working class Northerner descendant of immigrants, who voted Remain, I should get the full points.
    You'll need to become a friend of Dorothy to bag them all I'm afraid. Also Sheffield voted to "leave" ;)
    Only because of TSE's excellent canvassing skills - unless he "secretly" canvassed for LEAVE, of course!
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    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, there'd have to be extra taxes on white people, who voted 53/47 Leave.

    @AlistairMeeks will have to change his race & gender to get the full set of "Remain" points I'm afraid.

    Pro-Remain points: "A"; Londoner; Lib-Lab-Green swing voter; Gay
    Neutral: 40-50 yrs old
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male.

    I think @the_apocalypse collects the whole set of "Pro-remain" pidgeon holing points on this board:

    For me it is:

    Pro-Remain points: LD; Under 40
    Neutral: C1 (I think ?)
    Anti-Remain points: White / Male / Straight / Rural

    The full Brexit would be UKIP / 65 + / D2E / White / Male / Straight / Rural I think.
    What about me?

    I'm a working class Northerner descendant of immigrants, who voted Remain, I should get the full points.
    You'll need to become a friend of Dorothy to bag them all I'm afraid. Also Sheffield voted to "leave" ;)
    Only because of TSE's excellent canvassing skills - unless he "secretly" canvassed for LEAVE, of course!
    TSE knows better than to boast about ground games.... IOS on the other hand......... titters.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

    For people with speech impediments the word "lisp" is an incredibly unfortunate description.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,135

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    Well, there's your pretext for a revote right there.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    That is true, but that's only because there aren't going to be repeated votes on it. The same thing could be said about Tories, but luckily they get replaced by people growing up.
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

    Math is kinda weird, since mathematics has an s on the end. Mathematic doesn't sound right...
    I'm also founder of the Campaign For Real Swearing. Our swearing has become far too Americanised, it's arse, not ass.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,799
    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

    For people with speech impediments the word "lisp" is an incredibly unfortunate description.
    And why isn't monosyllabic monosyllabic?
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    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    Well, there's your pretext for a revote right there.
    Alas no, we voted to Leave, we're Leaving. No Turning Back, and rejoining the EU in the future is a no no, as we'd have to sign up for the single currency, Schengen, and no rebate.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,248
    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:

    Shops owned by Leaver voters should also be marked and publicly recognisable.

    Once again, 2 years behind the Scottish curve...

    twitter.com/thebestbond/status/761555870446747648
    The "Yes" awning in that picture matches your point but the "We Do Not Accept Scottish Notes" A-board outside makes it less likely that the name reflects their vote!
    The truth means nothing to Scott if he can insult Scotland
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,798
    Chortles

    well remainers have been taxing the ass of the poor ages and profting from their policy preferences. Time for the Remainers to cough up.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    And if things go well that ratio will be reversed. That's human nature.

    Didn't Sir Ian Botham once say something along the lines of - more people claim that they saw him at Headlingley in 1981 than the actual capacity of the ground?
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Re punishing particular groups of voters: Singapore's People's Action Party actually did something like this, prioritising the roll-out of the Lift Upgrading Programme in state-owned residential tower blocks to those areas that voted more heavily for the PAP!

    At the Kent Ridge Ministerial Forum in 2011, an engineering student living in Hougang asked Prime Minister (PM) Lee Hsien Loong if he could pay less tax since the opposition-held ward does not enjoy upgrading programmes.

    Seah Yin Hwa asked the PM, “When it comes to upgrading, what is being told to us is that we don’t have the funds to actually go ahead with lift upgrading, as well as shelters to the bus stops. When I look across the road to Aljunied GRC, they have everything.”

    PM Lee paraphrased his question and said that what Mr Seah meant is why opposition wards are not treated as equally as PAP wards. PM Lee said the “answer is that there has to be a distinction. Because the PAP wards supported the Government and the policies which delivered these good things.”

    He described upgrading programmes as ‘extras’ and said that, “between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn’t, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice.”


    Similarly Housing Development Board upgrades were used to entice voters in the 1997 General Election.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    Well, there's your pretext for a revote right there.
    Alas no, we voted to Leave, we're Leaving. No Turning Back, and rejoining the EU in the future is a no no, as we'd have to sign up for the single currency, Schengen, and no rebate.
    That's no reason not to go back in. The gross payment is only £18 billion a year. That's 2.2% of government spending.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Cook and Hales have reached their best ever partnership.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,798

    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

    For people with speech impediments the word "lisp" is an incredibly unfortunate description.
    And why isn't monosyllabic monosyllabic?
    worse - why is there onlly one Monoply and Metgers Commission ?
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    John_M said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    Well, there's your pretext for a revote right there.
    Alas no, we voted to Leave, we're Leaving. No Turning Back, and rejoining the EU in the future is a no no, as we'd have to sign up for the single currency, Schengen, and no rebate.
    That's no reason not to go back in. The gross payment is only £18 billion a year. That's 2.2% of government spending.
    It's not such much as the lack of rebate, it's signing up to the single currency, I cannot foresee any circumstances where it is in the UK's long term interests to join the Euro.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048

    Cook and Hales have reached their best ever partnership.

    Yeah it's rather stuffed me !
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,751
    edited August 2016

    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I reckon the simplest solution to this whole thing would be:

    Brexiteers get to have the shiny black passports, real gold plating on the front, a slightly inconvienent oversize - but doubtless a feeling of "sovereignty". It says Great Britain, no mention of the EU anywhere.

    twitter.com/mrdavidwhitley/status/761572757373067264
    Ah yes THIS is what people voted Brexit for !
    Burgundy looks better than blue I think.
    Couldn't they keep the previous colour ?
    You mean the current color, this is just the Sun's campaign, not an official announcement (we haven't left yet, for starters)
    'color' Mr D ?

    I fear long term exposure to our cousins across the pond is having a detrimental effect. :lol:
    Sorry.. blame the iPhone dictionary which I have set on American. :(
    You are no longer allowed to have a British passport.

    Next you'll be calling your mobile a cellphone.

    OMG, given your profession, you don't call it math (sic) do you?

    I prefer saying math. Much easier than trying to pronounce 'th' & 's' together.

    For people with speech impediments the word "lisp" is an incredibly unfortunate description.
    And why isn't monosyllabic monosyllabic?
    worse - why is there onlly one Monoply and Metgers Commission ?
    Showing your age there, it hasn't been the Monopoly and Mergers Commission for years.

    They call themselves The Competition and Markets Authority these days.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,798

    John_M said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    Well, there's your pretext for a revote right there.
    Alas no, we voted to Leave, we're Leaving. No Turning Back, and rejoining the EU in the future is a no no, as we'd have to sign up for the single currency, Schengen, and no rebate.
    That's no reason not to go back in. The gross payment is only £18 billion a year. That's 2.2% of government spending.
    It's not such much as the lack of rebate, it's signing up to the single currency, I cannot foresee any circumstances where it is in the UK's long term interests to join the Euro.
    Why arent you on Daves honour list ?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Monty said:

    Excellent article. Why should my family suffer for Brexit? Anyone who voted leave? Fuck them.
    .

    Yes, of course. And all taxes should only come from Tories, who voted for this government when no one else did. Works for me, I didn't vote for this government.
    But no NHS, Education, Police etc. coverage unless you did vote for the winning team.
    It kinda destroys the idea of ballot secrecy.
    So does the premise of this thread :p
    If things go badly in the next couple of years, I think we can be sure than public recollection will be people voted 70-30 Remain.
    I was speaking to a psephologist last week, he cheerily pointed out that in a decade's time, there will be more people alive that voted Remain than voted Leave.
    Well, there's your pretext for a revote right there.
    Alas no, we voted to Leave, we're Leaving. No Turning Back, and rejoining the EU in the future is a no no, as we'd have to sign up for the single currency, Schengen, and no rebate.
    That's no reason not to go back in. The gross payment is only £18 billion a year. That's 2.2% of government spending.
    It's not such much as the lack of rebate, it's signing up to the single currency, I cannot foresee any circumstances where it is in the UK's long term interests to join the Euro.
    I think it would be fantastic. We could join the Krauts in oppressing enjoying a trade surplus with southern Europe.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Pulpstar said:

    Cook and Hales have reached their best ever partnership.

    Yeah it's rather stuffed me !
    If England can get up to 350ish, a final day chase of 250ish will be entertaining.

    And the last day is a Sunday - bliss :)
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,248
    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Scott_P said:

    GeoffM said:

    Shops owned by Leaver voters should also be marked and publicly recognisable.

    Once again, 2 years behind the Scottish curve...

    twitter.com/thebestbond/status/761555870446747648
    If there's ever IndyRef2, I insist the question must be "Should Scotland remain in the UK"? Then all those that have done the "Journey to Yes" will have to do the journey back to No
    Hah.. I love it!
    In their dreams, it is a one way journey and the train has left the station
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    Re punishing particular groups of voters: Singapore's People's Action Party actually did something like this, prioritising the roll-out of the Lift Upgrading Programme in state-owned residential tower blocks to those areas that voted more heavily for the PAP!

    At the Kent Ridge Ministerial Forum in 2011, an engineering student living in Hougang asked Prime Minister (PM) Lee Hsien Loong if he could pay less tax since the opposition-held ward does not enjoy upgrading programmes.

    Seah Yin Hwa asked the PM, “When it comes to upgrading, what is being told to us is that we don’t have the funds to actually go ahead with lift upgrading, as well as shelters to the bus stops. When I look across the road to Aljunied GRC, they have everything.”

    PM Lee paraphrased his question and said that what Mr Seah meant is why opposition wards are not treated as equally as PAP wards. PM Lee said the “answer is that there has to be a distinction. Because the PAP wards supported the Government and the policies which delivered these good things.”

    He described upgrading programmes as ‘extras’ and said that, “between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn’t, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice.”


    Similarly Housing Development Board upgrades were used to entice voters in the 1997 General Election.

    Ooops, meant to give a source for that. http://theindependent.sg/no-vote-no-upgrading-wp-leon-perera-slams-paps-murali-pillais-carrot-for-bukit-batok-voters/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Not entirely sure why rural broadband is on the hit list here. Only a few millions. Surely there will need to be far more substantial cuts?

    Top trolling Alastair.

    Can I suggest a white van supertax to add to your suggestions?

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