'Spoke to my friend who runs a sheet metal business and he says that business is booming.'
Said before but it bears repeating. The UK's economy is huge. Any Brexit effects are going to be statistical. Even in the depths of the last recession ~250k businesses were created. About 75% of the UK's companies don't do any international trade of any kind. Some firms will absolutely boom, others will fold.'
Problem is that the likes of Meeks will claim anything bad is due to Brexit & anything good is because Brexit hasn't fully taken place.
But Leavers claim that anything bad is because Remainers are talking the country down.
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
Are you saying Jo Cox was asking for it?
A disgusting comment, quite frankly.
Indeed.
The words in Mr Herdson's post would be universally condemned if they came out of Mr Mair's mouth.
Words have consequences.
His is a disgusting comment.
RIP Jo.
It's only you who could make that connection, I recall you have form on the matter. Paying in this context means in terms of taxes/benefits etc, as Meeks was clearly talking about making the Leavers "pay" for voting leave in such a manner.
And isn't it ironic you are saying "RIP Jo", when all you are doing is invoking her memory to score some cheap points?
Is it just me....I have zero "Olympic Spirit" this time. Normally I look forward to watching all sorts of sports I would never normally watched played by people who I have never heard of, but this time around I really can't be arsed.
Perhaps still hung over from 2012. It feels a lot less low profile after the wall to wall London build up 4 years ago.
Most of the good stuff is in the middle of the night. The US has more power than Europe when it comes to TV rights I believe.
Also an interesting BMG poll carried out between July 22nd - 26th. Not all pollsters show a big Tory lead!
Con 34%
Lab 32%
Lib Dem 8%
UKIP 13%
Green 8%
SNP 4%
PC 1%
Other 1%
10 days ago
I think the fact that Labour, especially at this point in the parliamentary cycle, and rarely registered leads should be cause for concern. But hey, drawing level with the Tories is progress these days.
It would be significantly better than how Labour was performing at the same stage of the Parliaments of 1987 anf 1959.
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
You think LEAVE voters are irresponsible children who just react to stimulus and have no responsibility for their actions? It's a view.
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
Are you saying Jo Cox was asking for it?
A disgusting comment, quite frankly.
Indeed.
The words in Mr Herdson's post would be universally condemned if they came out of Mr Mair's mouth.
'Spoke to my friend who runs a sheet metal business and he says that business is booming.'
Said before but it bears repeating. The UK's economy is huge. Any Brexit effects are going to be statistical. Even in the depths of the last recession ~250k businesses were created. About 75% of the UK's companies don't do any international trade of any kind. Some firms will absolutely boom, others will fold.'
Problem is that the likes of Meeks will claim anything bad is due to Brexit & anything good is because Brexit hasn't fully taken place.
But Leavers claim that anything bad is because Remainers are talking the country down.
The EU was a Nazi prison camp, but anyone who stands by what they said before their vote for the wrong side of the referendum is a stab-in-the-back traitor who wants to enfeeble the Fatherland.
'Spoke to my friend who runs a sheet metal business and he says that business is booming.'
Said before but it bears repeating. The UK's economy is huge. Any Brexit effects are going to be statistical. Even in the depths of the last recession ~250k businesses were created. About 75% of the UK's companies don't do any international trade of any kind. Some firms will absolutely boom, others will fold.'
Problem is that the likes of Meeks will claim anything bad is due to Brexit & anything good is because Brexit hasn't fully taken place.
Nothing we can do about your last paragraph. I console myself that there are almost equal numbers of Brexiteers who are completely deluded about the consequences and are oblivious to the complexities of the process we're embarked on. Both sides have their crosses to bear.
They - ultra remain - are intent on re-running the misery playbook that was trotted out with austerity in the last parliament. By May 2020, the effect will have been the same on the electorate.
The extent of the sulk really is staggering though.
Also an interesting BMG poll carried out between July 22nd - 26th. Not all pollsters show a big Tory lead!
Con 34%
Lab 32%
Lib Dem 8%
UKIP 13%
Green 8%
SNP 4%
PC 1%
Other 1%
10 days ago
I think the fact that Labour, especially at this point in the parliamentary cycle, and rarely registered leads should be cause for concern. But hey, drawing level with the Tories is progress these days.
It would be significantly better than how Labour was performing at the same stage of the Parliaments of 1987 anf 1959.
In 1 poll and in 1987 the Tories won a majority of 102, in 1959 of 100, not exactly a great omen!
Also an interesting BMG poll carried out between July 22nd - 26th. Not all pollsters show a big Tory lead!
Con 34%
Lab 32%
Lib Dem 8%
UKIP 13%
Green 8%
SNP 4%
PC 1%
Other 1%
10 days ago
I think the fact that Labour, especially at this point in the parliamentary cycle, and rarely registered leads should be cause for concern. But hey, drawing level with the Tories is progress these days.
It would be significantly better than how Labour was performing at the same stage of the Parliaments of 1987 anf 1959.
The 87 comparison doesn't bode well. And 59? How reliable were polls back then?
Is it just me....I have zero "Olympic Spirit" this time. Normally I look forward to watching all sorts of sports I would never normally watched played by people who I have never heard of, but this time around I really can't be arsed.
Perhaps still hung over from 2012. It feels a lot less low profile after the wall to wall London build up 4 years ago.
Most of the good stuff is in the middle of the night. The US has more power than Europe when it comes to TV rights I believe.
Mind you Brazil is closer to the US than we are so the time difference is less big, the last Olympics were over here so we cannot complain too much
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
Are you saying Jo Cox was asking for it?
Oh don't be ridiculous (and practically offensive). You know full well I was answering the article in the same terms that Alastair wrote.
Comrades, the glorious Fatherland has a resilient economy. The 10% collapse in the world price of sterling is a myth propagated by the capitalist running dogs.
The collapse in industrial orders is engineered by capitalist wreckers who have been themselves deluded into false consciousness by the enemies of the people!
Overthrow the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters! But, comrades, remember that can't possibly include the Tory Party which has run the government for the last six years!
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
You think LEAVE voters are irresponsible children who just react to stimulus and have no responsibility for their actions? It's a view.
Not at all. But if you patronise people for long enough, denigrate them as xenophobes, racists, stupid and the rest, don't be surprised if they don't take kindly to it. Remain ran a dreadful campaign packed full of establishment scaremongering with nothing to inspire on the others side. It's true that the EU is hardly an ideal institution to generate inspiration but it is possible to campaign above the level of banana directive and it wasn't done. Consequently, the voters decided that they'd had enough and went for the one positive message in the game.
Also an interesting BMG poll carried out between July 22nd - 26th. Not all pollsters show a big Tory lead!
Con 34%
Lab 32%
Lib Dem 8%
UKIP 13%
Green 8%
SNP 4%
PC 1%
Other 1%
10 days ago
I think the fact that Labour, especially at this point in the parliamentary cycle, and rarely registered leads should be cause for concern. But hey, drawing level with the Tories is progress these days.
It would be significantly better than how Labour was performing at the same stage of the Parliaments of 1987 anf 1959.
The 87 comparison doesn't bode well. And 59? How reliable were polls back then?
Labour did win 42 seats at the end of the 1987 Parliament - and had Thatcher not been ousted would have won many more.The polls were pretty accurate too at the time of the 1964 election.
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
You think LEAVE voters are irresponsible children who just react to stimulus and have no responsibility for their actions? It's a view.
Not at all. But if you patronise people for long enough, denigrate them as xenophobes, racists, stupid and the rest, don't be surprised if they don't take kindly to it. Remain ran a dreadful campaign packed full of establishment scaremongering with nothing to inspire on the others side. It's true that the EU is hardly an ideal institution to generate inspiration but it is possible to campaign above the level of banana directive and it wasn't done. Consequently, the voters decided that they'd had enough and went for the one positive message in the game.
You think your Osborne might have had something to do with it?
Deprive the people with austerity to enrich the shires, then pin the blame on "metropolitans" and fear of foreigners. Low game.
How about applying your theory of taxpayers paying for their own policy views to foreign aid? Millions of taxpayers do not understand how a Tory govt has ended up spending more on foreign aid than on the Home Office?
Only just seen Alistair's article. He's right. Those who caused Brexit should pay. How about the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters?
You think LEAVE voters are irresponsible children who just react to stimulus and have no responsibility for their actions? It's a view.
Not at all. But if you patronise people for long enough, denigrate them as xenophobes, racists, stupid and the rest, don't be surprised if they don't take kindly to it. Remain ran a dreadful campaign packed full of establishment scaremongering with nothing to inspire on the others side. It's true that the EU is hardly an ideal institution to generate inspiration but it is possible to campaign above the level of banana directive and it wasn't done. Consequently, the voters decided that they'd had enough and went for the one positive message in the game.
You think your Osborne might have had something to do with it?
Deprive the people with austerity to enrich the shires, then pin the blame on "metropolitans" and fear of foreigners. Low game.
No, that would have required him to game in losing the referendum, which was always going to end badly for him, particularly after his budget this year.
As a remain supporter though I think the EEA option would be best. According to Mr. Meeks I should advocate for an inferior option just so I'm not blamed for any disasters which may follow... That doesn't really stand up for me.
As I see it: we are leaving but everything else is up for grabs.
Given that Tories are likely to go down more o a full brexit option... I think it makes sense for delusional leftist Metropolitan's like myself to actually say what we think and make a positive case for immigration and EEA relationship.
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And isn't it ironic you are saying "RIP Jo", when all you are doing is invoking her memory to score some cheap points?
The extent of the sulk really is staggering though.
'But Leavers claim that anything bad is because Remainers are talking the country down.'
Mark Carney's excelled at that.
'Are you saying Jo Cox was asking for it?'
Please try not to be a moron all of the time.
The collapse in industrial orders is engineered by capitalist wreckers who have been themselves deluded into false consciousness by the enemies of the people!
Overthrow the sneering, overbearing, self-defining metropolitan elite, whose contempt for much of the country and its citizens prompted the rebellion against the proclaimed masters! But, comrades, remember that can't possibly include the Tory Party which has run the government for the last six years!
'What a sad, bigoted and bitter thread header from Meeks. He continues to plumb the depths of partisan ignorance with his bilious contributions.'
Yup, he's thrown a massive tantrum to-day,everything has gone out of the pram.
Deprive the people with austerity to enrich the shires, then pin the blame on "metropolitans" and fear of foreigners. Low game.
Millions of taxpayers do not understand how a Tory govt has ended up spending more on foreign aid than on the Home Office?
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Some provocative stuff here.
As a remain supporter though I think the EEA option would be best. According to Mr. Meeks I should advocate for an inferior option just so I'm not blamed for any disasters which may follow... That doesn't really stand up for me.
As I see it: we are leaving but everything else is up for grabs.
Given that Tories are likely to go down more o a full brexit option... I think it makes sense for delusional leftist Metropolitan's like myself to actually say what we think and make a positive case for immigration and EEA relationship.