If the ZDF report is accurate, Merkel is going to be in big big do do.
Why? She survived the political consequences of all the NY's Eve attacks. Why wouldn't she survive this?
There have been relatively few political consequences of terrorism in Western Europe. About the only example I can think of is the Spanish election result following the Madrid train bombings. And that was in large part because of the wholly inept response by the government. But elsewhere there has been nothing really.
Maybe this issue will be similar: grumbling for years and years until eventually something snaps. But I dread to think what the '"something snaps" might be in this context.
Brexit was an ENORMOUS "snap" - by the people most likely to be brave, individualistic and proud enough to say FUCK YOU to the elite consensus. The English. I have never been more convinced that my BREXIT vote was morally right.
Islam is a sickening religion, and if Merkel is going to unilaterally let in 1m Muslims a year to Europe, we have no choice but to put up the barriers.
We did Muslims are exactly the same as us - until you start questioning their religion.
Oh do fuck off. Muslims are good people. Christians are good people. Hindus are good people.
Newsflash: There are also bad people from all of the above.
Of COURSE most Muslims are good people. Just like most Germans were good people in 1937. But did we trust Germans in 1937? Or 1940? Or 1944? No. Because their identity had been seized by a diseased ideology which, sadly, made them all untrustworthy.
I doubt that more than 10% of Germans were active Nazis, maybe only 5%. But enough believed, and enough acquiesced, in the perversion of German nationalism that was Hitlerism, to make German-ness itself a threat to western liberty. Such that Germans were automatically interned and mistrusted in the UK, during the war.
We are now VERY close to that happening in Europe, vis a vis Muslims. For the exact same reasons. Their faith has been infected by evil radicalism, and too many Muslims have tacitly tolerated this, for too long.
You never cease to panic,overreact and revert to hyperbole. No wonder you write thrillers for a living.
Listen Sean. Terrorism is Terrorism. We've had all sorts over the years. Religrouse. Racist. Homophones. State sponsored. Political.
They want us to turn on each other. They want us to hate each other. They want us to kill each other.
It would validate their sick ideology.
You hate Muslims if you must.
I choose something else. Something more like a solution.
Sky news saying German minister confirming that the attacker on the train was a refugee.
"Danke, Germany for letting me into your wonderful country! Now I'll just attack some of your citizens!"
You have to wonder about the mindset of some of these people.
What about the guy from my area of bradford who travelled all the way to scotland to murder the shopkeeper,all because he thought the man insulted his way of teaching of islam.
Exactly. Hurl them all onto a ferry, ship them to fucking Qatar
Make it Dubai and you have urself a deal.
You would deny them the joys of the 2022 World Cup?
I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
"Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees'
Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
SeanT wants us gone you know.
He's gone through this phase before.
I remember when he wanted to intern all Muslims, or anyone who looked like a Muslim
No, you're fine. I just want to slowly and gently remove ALL Muslims who show any kind of adherence to any form of conservative Islam. So we ban sharia, ban niqabs, ban the burqa, close hardline mosques, prohibit new mosques, demolish minarets, completely ban any new Muslim immigration, make prayer hard to do, make halal food illegal, fiercely prosecute cousin marriage, FGM, anti-white pedophile racist gangrape, all that shit you people like. blahblahblah
Basically we make YOUR delightful religious life and traditions very hard to do in OUR country.
If you are willing to stay here after all that, then you can be considered a tolerable element in the UK, and you can stay. If not, bye.
Nah Sean. I'm on your side in this generally. But this is England, you can wear what you want. Apart from in a bank or a school etc.
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
Didn't you get the memo? Islam has nothing to do with Islam!
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
It does get a bit monotonous - would be a change to have an attack on behalf of The Assembly of the Prophet in Market Harborough, or Our Lady Of Perpetual Responsibility in Fenny Drayton.
It's not answers the French want. Words are easy. It's actions they want.
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And if the peaceful Muslims complain about being vilified in all this, I would say that this is what always happens when the good people in a community do not speak up about the bad people. The bad drives out the good. The innocent suffer. It's not right and it's unfair. But it happens - as it has to plenty of good bankers who did not lie and cheat and commit fraud and waste money. So if the good don't want that unfair vilification to happen they need to make their voices heard and their actions count. Turning a blind eye; saying "I'm not a violent terrorist and I abhor violence and this is not what my religion means" is not enough, however true it is. A culture changes for the better when the people in it take the steps to drive out the bad and change the way they think and behave. Part of the frustration some feel is that they don't see this happening.
All of this may be hugely unfair to lots of people. But at this moment many French people who have seen the bodies of children and others crushed to death by a lorry on their national holiday are not very concerned about being hugely unfair.
Being hugely unfair to lots of people doesn't usually work out well.
It did in banking. It was precisely because all bankers were viewed as crooks by the public, governments and regulators that those in the industry who weren't crooks and were fed up with having their good names tarnished finally realised that they needed to take action to change the reality.
So concerned have we been about there not being a backlash against ordinary innocent Muslims that we have allowed them not to feel the consequences of having their good name tarnished by the bad guys and, therefore, not to feel the need to do something to change the reality.
Just as it is not enough for the good banker to say "Well, I'm not a crook" and turn a blind eye to what is happening elsewhere in his firm/industry, it is not enough for peace-loving Muslims to say "Well, we're not terrorists" and turn a blind eye to those teaching their young that violence against unbelievers is required by Islam.
"No man is an island / Entire unto himself" etc etc.....
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
Did you not see the word "just" in my post?
Not really. But it seems irrelevant to me. Most mass casualty terrorist attacks are perpetrated in the name of Allah. They helpfully tell us this by shouting Allah Akbar while doing it.
It's not answers the French want. Words are easy. It's actions they want.
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And if the peaceful Muslims complain about being vilified in all this, I would say that this is what always happens when the good people in a community do not speak up about the bad people. The bad drives out the good. The innocent suffer. It's not right and it's unfair. But it happens - as it has to plenty of good bankers who did not lie and cheat and commit fraud and waste money. So if the good don't want that unfair vilification to happen they need to make their voices heard and their actions count. Turning a blind eye; saying "I'm not a violent terrorist and I abhor violence and this is not what my religion means" is not enough, however true it is. A culture changes for the better when the people in it take the steps to drive out the bad and change the way they think and behave. Part of the frustration some feel is that they don't see this happening.
All of this may be hugely unfair to lots of people. But at this moment many French people who have seen the bodies of children and others crushed to death by a lorry on their national holiday are not very concerned about being hugely unfair.
Being hugely unfair to lots of people doesn't usually work out well.
It did in banking. It was precisely because all bankers were viewed as crooks by the public, governments and regulators that those in the industry who weren't crooks and were fed up with having their good names tarnished finally realised that they needed to take action to change the reality.
So concerned have we been about there not being a backlash against ordinary innocent Muslims that we have allowed them not to feel the consequences of having their good name tarnished by the bad guys and, therefore, not to feel the need to do something to change the reality.
Just as it is not enough for the good banker to say "Well, I'm not a crook" and turn a blind eye to what is happening elsewhere in his firm/industry, it is not enough for peace-loving Muslims to say "Well, we're not terrorists" and turn a blind eye to those teaching their young that violence against unbelievers is required by Islam.
"No man is an island / Entire unto himself" etc etc.....
Bankers may be unpopular but even I wouldn't compare them to mass murderers.
You have to go back a number of centuries to find the Christian equivalent. I was surprised to find out recently that 8 million people died during the 30 Years' War.
Really? Wow. Was that a religious war?
It began as a religious war, when largely protestant Bohemia was inherited by a catholic prince who didn't believe in tolerating heretics, but by the time France under Cardinal Richelieu was supporting the protestant powers it had become primarily a conflict between France and Austria, both catholic powers.
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
Did you not see the word "just" in my post?
Sorry but I hold the likes of you to blame somewhat.
You have to go back a number of centuries to find the Christian equivalent. I was surprised to find out recently that 8 million people died during the 30 Years' War.
Really? Wow. Was that a religious war?
It began as a religious war, when largely protestant Bohemia was inherited by a catholic prince who didn't believe in tolerating heretics, but by the time France under Cardinal Richelieu was supporting the protestant powers it had become primarily a conflict between France and Austria, both catholic powers.
It gave us fantastic history though. Gustavus Adolphus. The Defenestration of Prague. The Rape of Magdeburg. Bethlen Gabor.
I've some good Muslim friends and there are plenty of moderates.
But Islam has a rotten core. The problem is that they think the Qur'an is the literal words of Allah through the angel to the prophet. So there's bugger all they can do to change it. In fact it's utter heresy to suggest as much. And the Qur'an doesn't have nice things to say about unbelievers, Jews and homosexuals.
There's no getting away from the fact that it's an inherently intolerant religion, with violent elements, albeit with 'some' good people.
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
It does get a bit monotonous - would be a change to have an attack on behalf of The Assembly of the Prophet in Market Harborough, or Our Lady Of Perpetual Responsibility in Fenny Drayton.
In India there are plenty of terrorist attacks carried out by non Muslims, not that their media report them.
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
It does get a bit monotonous - would be a change to have an attack on behalf of The Assembly of the Prophet in Market Harborough, or Our Lady Of Perpetual Responsibility in Fenny Drayton.
In India there are plenty of terrorist attacks carried out by non Muslims, not that their media report them.
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
It does get a bit monotonous - would be a change to have an attack on behalf of The Assembly of the Prophet in Market Harborough, or Our Lady Of Perpetual Responsibility in Fenny Drayton.
In India there are plenty of terrorist attacks carried out by non Muslims, not that their media report them.
Mumbai (2008) was carried out by Muslims.
Didn't say Muslims don't carry out attacks in India just that MOST terror attacks are by non Muslims.
Didn't we have one about 4 weeks ago? Or are we just counting Muslims?
We are definitely counting muslims. Look up the Wikipedia page of terrorist attacks. The first thing that will strike you - actually, the second after the sheer scale of it and that most of the victims are muslims - is that they are mostly carried out in the name of Islam. No getting around that..
It does get a bit monotonous - would be a change to have an attack on behalf of The Assembly of the Prophet in Market Harborough, or Our Lady Of Perpetual Responsibility in Fenny Drayton.
In India there are plenty of terrorist attacks carried out by non Muslims, not that their media report them.
Mumbai (2008) was carried out by Muslims.
Didn't say Muslims don't carry out attacks in India just that MOST terror attacks are by non Muslims.
Whats with the muslim fashion for using blimmin Mohamed so much as a first and second name ? Christians don't bother with "Jesus Jesus Christ Smith"...
Whats with the muslim fashion for using blimmin Mohamed so much as a first and second name ? Christians don't bother with "Jesus Jesus Christ Smith"...
An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
Whats with the muslim fashion for using blimmin Mohamed so much as a first and second name ? Christians don't bother with "Jesus Jesus Christ Smith"...
What about Boutros Boutros (Peter Peter) Ghali?
Abdullah Abdullah
Actually, the second T in MTimT does not stand for another Tim ... But Timothy is indeed Abdullah
Re the celcius/farenheit earlier, there maybe a serious point to be made about the consequences of not reporting degrees farenheit with regard to the elderly.
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
Why London used to vote Tory but now votes Labour. Middle-income is defined as a household income of £25,700 for a couple with one child, £30,000 for two children and £34,300 for three children.
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
The big spectaculars in recent years were almost all carried out by Muslims.
2008 Mumbai - 172 dead 2006 Mumbai - 209 dead 1993 Mumbai - 257 dead
You have to go way back to 1985 to find a Sikh extremist bombing of such scale, Air India flight 182 - 329 dead.
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
The big spectaculars in recent years were almost all carried out by Muslims.
2008 Mumbai - 172 dead 2006 Mumbai - 209 dead 1993 Mumbai - 257 dead
You have to go way back to 1985 to find a Sikh extremist bombing of such scale, Air India flight 182 - 329 dead.
Gujarat riots? Were they not extremists? Oh and the train that was burnt was an accident, unlike what was reported.
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
The big spectaculars in recent years were almost all carried out by Muslims.
2008 Mumbai - 172 dead 2006 Mumbai - 209 dead 1993 Mumbai - 257 dead
You have to go way back to 1985 to find a Sikh extremist bombing of such scale, Air India flight 182 - 329 dead.
Gujarat riots? Were they not extremists? Oh and the train that was burnt was an accident, unlike what was reported.
Yes of course they were extremists, no one is defending the sickening slaughter.
As for the train at Godhra:
The commission set up by the Government of Gujarat to investigate the train burning spent 6 years going over the details of the case, and concluded that the fire was arson committed by a mob of 1000 to 2000 people.[3] A commission appointed by the central government, whose appointment was later held to be unconstitutional, stated that the fire had been an accident.[4] A court convicted 31 Muslims for the incident and the conspiracy for the crime,[5] although the actual causes of the fire have yet to be proven conclusively.[6][7]
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
Pretty daft comment. You were more likely to be killed by a donkey than die as a civilian from WWII but that doesn't make it an insignificant event in human history.
Terrorism also does something other than kill: it invokes terror.
And heaven help us if they manage to detonate a dirty or chemical bomb, which they are intent on doing.
Make no mistake: radical Islam wishes to wipe out the west. Those who are 'still' trying to downplay this are no better than Chamberlain's appeasers. Your day has gone.
An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
Pretty daft comment. You were more likely to be killed by a donkey than die as a civilian from WWII but that doesn't make it an insignificant event in human history.
Terrorism also does something other than kill: it invokes terror.
And heaven help us if they manage to detonate a dirty or chemical bomb, which they are intent on doing.
Make no mistake: radical Islam wishes to wipe out the west. Those who are 'still' trying to downplay this are no better than Chamberlain's appeasers. Your day has gone.
Number of civilians killed in WWII... estimate of 50-55 million by wikipedia. Number of people killed by donkeys... I don't know but hard to imagine it's all that many!
You do realise that India is 80% Hindu and only 13% Muslim?
So? My point still stands the way things are reported is highly skewed.
How is it highly skewed?
It is reported as if all terrorists/ extremists are Muslim. Most people won't believe those figures I just posted because of what the mainstream media report, I was surprised by those figures as well.
Pretty daft comment. You were more likely to be killed by a donkey than die as a civilian from WWII but that doesn't make it an insignificant event in human history.
Terrorism also does something other than kill: it invokes terror.
And heaven help us if they manage to detonate a dirty or chemical bomb, which they are intent on doing.
Make no mistake: radical Islam wishes to wipe out the west. Those who are 'still' trying to downplay this are no better than Chamberlain's appeasers. Your day has gone.
The only way radical Islam will win is if we fall into the trap they are trying to set for us by pursuing far-right, populist policies against the Muslim population.
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So concerned have we been about there not being a backlash against ordinary innocent Muslims that we have allowed them not to feel the consequences of having their good name tarnished by the bad guys and, therefore, not to feel the need to do something to change the reality.
Just as it is not enough for the good banker to say "Well, I'm not a crook" and turn a blind eye to what is happening elsewhere in his firm/industry, it is not enough for peace-loving Muslims to say "Well, we're not terrorists" and turn a blind eye to those teaching their young that violence against unbelievers is required by Islam.
"No man is an island / Entire unto himself" etc etc.....
That's twice she has impressed me though it doesn't take much with Labour MPs at the moment.
But Islam has a rotten core. The problem is that they think the Qur'an is the literal words of Allah through the angel to the prophet. So there's bugger all they can do to change it. In fact it's utter heresy to suggest as much. And the Qur'an doesn't have nice things to say about unbelievers, Jews and homosexuals.
There's no getting away from the fact that it's an inherently intolerant religion, with violent elements, albeit with 'some' good people.
I might not admit it to pollsters and friends mind you. As Mike says, it's like the Leavers again ...
An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
http://scroll.in/article/718458/most-extremists-in-india-are-not-muslim-they-are-hindu
elderly.
Middle-income is defined as a household income of £25,700 for a couple with one child, £30,000 for two children and £34,300 for three children.
Of this group, half are now renters rather than owner occupiers. Twenty years ago, under John Major's government, 69 per cent owned their own home.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3696623/amp/May-s-challenge-Middle-class-families-children-new-poor-says-IFS.html?client=ms-android-oneplus#
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/18/dubai-royalty-share-family-photos-of-casual-tube-ride-in-london/
2008 Mumbai - 172 dead
2006 Mumbai - 209 dead
1993 Mumbai - 257 dead
You have to go way back to 1985 to find a Sikh extremist bombing of such scale, Air India flight 182 - 329 dead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/youre-more-likely-to-be-fatally-crushed-by-furniture-than-killed-by-a-terrorist/
At least it had a lot of women. Lol.
As for the train at Godhra:
The commission set up by the Government of Gujarat to investigate the train burning spent 6 years going over the details of the case, and concluded that the fire was arson committed by a mob of 1000 to 2000 people.[3] A commission appointed by the central government, whose appointment was later held to be unconstitutional, stated that the fire had been an accident.[4] A court convicted 31 Muslims for the incident and the conspiracy for the crime,[5] although the actual causes of the fire have yet to be proven conclusively.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning
BTW, Mohammed Ali Jinnah started religious riots in India, way back in 1946. I think he was a Muslim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day
Terrorism also does something other than kill: it invokes terror.
And heaven help us if they manage to detonate a dirty or chemical bomb, which they are intent on doing.
Make no mistake: radical Islam wishes to wipe out the west. Those who are 'still' trying to downplay this are no better than Chamberlain's appeasers. Your day has gone.
Again a pretty wayward post. Radical Islam has not yet managed to infiltrate the U.S. as much as it would wish. Europe is a different story.
The tide is clear. If and when the extremists get more traction in the US the attacks will increase.
The coffee can be smelt from 3000 miles away.
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/755228502475976705
Terrorism also does something other than kill: it invokes terror.
And heaven help us if they manage to detonate a dirty or chemical bomb, which they are intent on doing.
Make no mistake: radical Islam wishes to wipe out the west. Those who are 'still' trying to downplay this are no better than Chamberlain's appeasers. Your day has gone.
Number of civilians killed in WWII... estimate of 50-55 million by wikipedia.
Number of people killed by donkeys... I don't know but hard to imagine it's all that many!
If my comment was daft then....