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  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @surbiton

    'It has a point.

    It takes away 1% of the GDP this year, 1.8% in 2017 and another 1.5% in 2018.

    PERMANENTLY.'


    Cheap at that price,IF the so called experts are actually right for a change !

  • DennisBetsDennisBets Posts: 244


    I don't like the Tory government but I would not support a military coup to topple it.

    If the Tory Party started rounding up its opponents, banning criticism of its record, carrying out extra-judicial killings, interning dissenting judges, and proposing reintroducing capital punishment for its enemies, would you be okay with that, because it won the last general election?

    Good point, they lost to Labour in 1996
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Tim_B said:

    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:
    Why is she quibbling? She should just stand, and the white working classes will swiftly come flocking to the electoral standard of THANGAM DEBBONAIRE
    Has to be the best name in Parliament, in the Commons at least (let us not forget Lord Thomas Galloway Dunlop du Roy de Blicquy Galbraith after all).

    Though I have a soft spot for Richard Grovesnor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
    Happy to have played a part in first getting Richard elected in 2010. I have only a double barrelled name, but us non-single-namers need to stick together....
    Equating barrelled surnames to poshness, I expect Charles has about a septuple barrelled name.
    Only a single barrelled name, I'm afraid...

    (although I do have 3 forenames, an 'of' and an 'ap')
    No 'ilk'?
    Nah - being the second kid I take the Irish side of my mother's family, not the Scottish.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016

    ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/755155112667078656

    Sam Coates Times ✔ @SamCoatesTimes
    Exclusive Times / YouGov poll - Jeremy Corbyn's ratings go UP in last fortnight (from net +3 to +14)

    Jeremy Corbyn will be re-elected imho – Momentum own the party now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    Just because people will NOT vote for Corbyn, doesn't mean they WILL vote for Smith/Eagle.

    The wording of that question is actually quite unhelpful to Corbyn yet he's still well ahead of... anyone.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    Your extensive knowledge of mineralogy is second only to your command of the AV system.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited July 2016
    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    edited July 2016
    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941

    twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/755155521418715141

    Truly wonderful news.

    The Labour Party are over.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    Why do we reckon the attacker in Germany did what he did?

    SeanT said:

    I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH

    All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.

    Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
    If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.

    Enough now.

    Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.

    Except for the faint of brain.

    Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
    Delusional. You don't understand religion.

    We have to remove them.
    Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
    Satanic Verses kicked it off, IIRC.
    I don't think that can be considered a bolt of lightning that came from nowhere.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    HaroldO said:

    That is awful....that kids footwork is all over the shop, bat away from his body and everything. Kids today.
    So, he's basically a top candidate for the next England opener?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,405

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    Weather forecasters need to rermber Celsius needs "degrees" before it!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HaroldO said:

    That is awful....that kids footwork is all over the shop, bat away from his body and everything. Kids today.
    May be we should offer him a place on the team?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited July 2016
    My hunch that Corbyn was value above evens was correct.

    Anyway, does anyone know how yougov are able to verify who are/aren't members?

    Do they just poll people on their panel who have previously declared themselves to be members and go with that?

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited July 2016
    ZDF journalist is reporting Bayern "Home Secretary" states attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.

    https://twitter.com/ethevessen/status/755156982814928896

    I am going to take a wild guess and say we find out he wasn't actually 17.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Charles said:

    HaroldO said:

    That is awful....that kids footwork is all over the shop, bat away from his body and everything. Kids today.
    May be we should offer him a place on the team?
    The PB team or England? He could get in either somewhere in that middle order.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,894
    John_M said:

    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
    Why, I wonder, did God think of that? An odd thought in the creation process?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    He's being pedantic - temperatures in Kelvin are expressed as a number followed by K. The number is of course a number of degrees. It is expressed as 140 K rather than 140 degrees K
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Tim_B said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    He's being pedantic - temperatures in Kelvin are expressed as a number followed by K. The number is of course a number of degrees. It is expressed as 140 K rather than 140 degrees K
    The reasoning behind it makes sense, see my post below, but I agree it is a tad pedantic.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    John_M said:

    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
    Why, I wonder, did God think of that? An odd thought in the creation process?
    Without evil, can there be good?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    Mortimer said:

    Now the Brits have had the courage to opt for Brexit (it always seems to have to be us as prime movers), expect much more similar sentiment in other EU states over the next couple of years - especially those with elections pending.

    The polling so far has been moving in the opposite direction.
    O. We're trusting polling again are we?
    Yes. It got Brexit within a few percent, and detecting a move is usually easier than getting the exact level right.

    Ignore it and bet with your gut if you like, YMMV.
    I ignored the polling and bet with my gut on Brexit. First four figure political win. Also a couple of cases of cheap(er) en primeur thanks to Robert's canny tip.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    Your extensive knowledge of mineralogy is second only to your command of the AV system.
    How about this, Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn at a general election will obtain −273.15° MPs, which is also known as absolute zero
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    Weather forecasters need to rermber Celsius needs "degrees" before it!
    In Fahrenheit they do remember ;)

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016

    John_M said:

    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
    Why, I wonder, did God think of that? An odd thought in the creation process?
    Evolution moves in mysterious ways its wonders to perform :). The fluke forces the ant down as the sun rises - it dies if the temperature becomes too warm.

    Poor ants. They have the most gruesome parasites going.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    edited July 2016

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    Your extensive knowledge of mineralogy is second only to your command of the AV system.
    How about this, Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn at a general election will obtain −273.15° MPs, which is also known as absolute zero
    Tories set for ~800 seats in the 650 seat Commons. Yes please! :p
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    HaroldO said:

    Charles said:

    HaroldO said:

    That is awful....that kids footwork is all over the shop, bat away from his body and everything. Kids today.
    May be we should offer him a place on the team?
    The PB team or England? He could get in either somewhere in that middle order.
    England hasn't become a terrible team overnight, but it is a team that has two of the best batsmen in the world, a very high quality seam attack amid a total dearth of decent spin and a shaky middle order.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Tim_B said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    He's being pedantic - temperatures in Kelvin are expressed as a number followed by K. The number is of course a number of degrees. It is expressed as 140 K rather than 140 degrees K
    There is not really a good reason why the "degree" is omitted; but it does serve as a reminder that kelvins are slightly less arbitrary than celsius, as they are an absolute scale.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.

    Listening to German News, the Bavarian interior minister has said, 3 seriously injured, 1 slightly injured and the other 14 on the train unharmed. – Attacker was shot dead, attempting to escape.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.

    Listening to German News, the Bavarian interior minister has said, 3 seriously injured, 1 slightly injured and the other 14 on the train unharmed. – Attacker was shot dead, attempting to escape.
    I believe the 14 are being treated for shock.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Labour can't remain as one party if Corbyn wins a stonking re-election.

    FPTP means they have no choice.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    Btw I think we know who 138 of the 172 are now.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    My alternative plan for post Brexit polis is this. When the ex industrial Leave voting areas of E + W are even poorer in 5 years time and their fleeting illusion of " control " turns to even deeper anger I'm going to point. " Look over there. That group of voguish libertarian internet eighties with huge equity and two degrees each sold you a crock of *****. They used you to make a political point and usher in an even *more* globalised world that they'll thrive even better in. Why don't you hang them from a lamp post ? "

    Their plan is to blame people's problems on foreigners again. I think their plan will work better than your plan.
    Yes you're right on both counts. But we must at least try. The only silver lining to Brexit is the ' Drawbridge Downers ' are no longer the establishment. We're free to run shrill post truth culture wars our self now. I think I'm going to enjoy it.n
    You've had a complete breakdown, haven't you?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    If the ZDF report is accurate, Merkel is going to be in big big do do.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
    Why, I wonder, did God think of that? An odd thought in the creation process?
    Evolution moves in mysterious ways its wonders to perform :). The fluke forces the ant down as the sun rises - it dies if the temperature becomes too warm.

    Poor ants. They have the most gruesome parasites going.
    That certainly seems to be the case.

    It seems that the average ant brain is merely a joystick for whatever parasite is making use of it at the time.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    If the ZDF report is accurate, Merkel is going to be in big big do do.

    ZDF?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,405

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    Why do we reckon the attacker in Germany did what he did?

    SeanT said:

    I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH

    All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.

    Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
    If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.

    Enough now.

    Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.

    Except for the faint of brain.

    Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
    Delusional. You don't understand religion.

    We have to remove them.
    Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
    Satanic Verses kicked it off, IIRC.
    I don't think that can be considered a bolt of lightning that came from nowhere.
    Afghanistan?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Chameleon said:

    If the ZDF report is accurate, Merkel is going to be in big big do do.

    ZDF?
    ZDF is kinda of the German equivalent of the BBC. They have a journalist reporting that the attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Pulpstar said:

    HaroldO said:

    Charles said:

    HaroldO said:

    That is awful....that kids footwork is all over the shop, bat away from his body and everything. Kids today.
    May be we should offer him a place on the team?
    The PB team or England? He could get in either somewhere in that middle order.
    England hasn't become a terrible team overnight, but it is a team that has two of the best batsmen in the world, a very high quality seam attack amid a total dearth of decent spin and a shaky middle order.
    Oh I don't think it's awful, I was just ribbing. In my opinion they have around 8 test quality players at best, and as you say they are short of batsman most of the time as at least two and sometimes three in the side are out of form.
    Good enough to compete with all the current test sides, but a few players shy of getting ahead of them all.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    Chameleon said:

    If the ZDF report is accurate, Merkel is going to be in big big do do.

    ZDF?
    Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen, - equivalent of BBC2 (ish)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Chameleon said:

    If the ZDF report is accurate, Merkel is going to be in big big do do.

    ZDF?
    ZDF is kinda of the German equivalent of the BBC. They have a journalist reporting that the attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.
    Can't say I'm surprised if that's true.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    You mean celsius, right? 0 celsius isn't that arbitrary, since it is freezing point of water. Similarly for Fahrenheit and brine.

    0 Kelvin definitely isn't arbitrary, as it is the lowest possible temperature.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941

    Tim_B said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    He's being pedantic - temperatures in Kelvin are expressed as a number followed by K. The number is of course a number of degrees. It is expressed as 140 K rather than 140 degrees K
    There is not really a good reason why the "degree" is omitted; but it does serve as a reminder that kelvins are slightly less arbitrary than celsius, as they are an absolute scale.
    Actually RobD's explanation makes it clear there is a very good reason why the degree is omitted - its redundant because Kelvin is an Absolute Scale.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    The Honorable and Venerable Order of PB Pedants wish to inform the gentleman that absolute zero is −273.15°C (to two decimal places), which is 0K. Thank you.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    It is absolute not arbitrary. Electons stop moving at that point.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,503

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    Why do we reckon the attacker in Germany did what he did?

    SeanT said:

    I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH

    All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.

    Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
    If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.

    Enough now.

    Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.

    Except for the faint of brain.

    Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
    Delusional. You don't understand religion.

    We have to remove them.
    Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
    Satanic Verses kicked it off, IIRC.
    I don't think that can be considered a bolt of lightning that came from nowhere.
    Remember Ray Honeyford, long before the Rushdie fatwa? He pointed out the problems there were with having communities living here who refused to integrate and he pointed out the issues with girls being taken out of school to be married to distant cousins who then settled in Britain. And look at all the abuse he got.

    And yet if we had listened to him and thought sensibly about what he was saying and acted on it we might have avoided the problems we have had since then. Too many ifs, alas. We are where we are. Still, just because it is difficult now is no excuse for inaction.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,405
    edited July 2016
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    You mean celsius, right? 0 celsius isn't that arbitrary, since it is freezing point of water. Similarly for Fahrenheit and brine.

    0 Kelvin definitely isn't arbitrary, as it is the lowest possible temperature.
    0 DEGREES Celsius, Mr NON-scientist! :lol:
  • eekeek Posts: 28,797
    That's an insane approach.... mind you they thought January was a decent cut off point when that includes Corbyn's most feverish fans and excludes all who left because of him....
  • vikvik Posts: 159
    The "deal" between Smith & Eagle is completely pointless in an AV system, and just makes the leadership plot look even sleazier.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889

    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    It is absolute not arbitrary. Electons stop moving at that point.
    I think you mean elections. Too cold for the voters.
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Axe boy is 17 year old Afghan according to Reuters. I blame Merkel TBH.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    SeanT wants us gone you know.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Pulpstar said:
    Keir Hardie, Aneurin Bevan, Tony Blair, Clement Attlee, Eddie Izzard, Diane Abbot we have beaten them all. Dan Hodges can you hear me, Dan Hodges, your party took a hell of a beating.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    That's a bloody mental idea. If Corbyn wins he'll take it as a mandate to do whatever tf he wants.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited July 2016
    God Sky saying no idea background of attacker....Can they not use the internet machine or watch German TV? Its not a unconfirmed rumour, a Bayern Minister is quoted by a ZDF journalist.

    As always PB the best place to be for the most up to date news from around the world.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,797
    edited July 2016
    vik said:

    The "deal" between Smith & Eagle is completely pointless in an AV system, and just makes the leadership plot look even sleazier.

    It's not pointless. It avoids the issue that occurred last time round when 3 candidates attacked each other whilst Corbyn sneaked down the left wing..... By the time the other candidates noticed it was too late...

    Plus if the election is 1 attempt and out it means you aren't losing all the plausible candidates if they are adopting that multiple attempts approach...
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843

    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.

    Listening to German News, the Bavarian interior minister has said, 3 seriously injured, 1 slightly injured and the other 14 on the train unharmed. – Attacker was shot dead, attempting to escape.
    I believe the 14 are being treated for shock.
    Sounds like it may be a relatively lucky escape hopefully (in comparison with what it could have been). To my knowledge Germany has not experienced any major islamic terrorism so far - is there an obvious reason why, when compared with the UK, France, or even Spain?

    Germany has a muslim population not far off France in % terms, but it would appear they are much better integrated - they had a much smaller number who went off to Syria. Is that just because the majority of muslims are secular turks, or is Germany doing something right in their assimilation approach?
  • BigIanBigIan Posts: 198
    Are they just going to have an endless cycle of challenges now?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    SeanT wants us gone you know.
    He's gone through this phase before.

    I remember when he wanted to intern all Muslims, or anyone who looked like a Muslim
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    BigIan said:

    Are they just going to have an endless cycle of challenges now?
    It's like The Ring cycle, it's never going to end.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    Some PBers have some shocking knowledge when it comes to science, fortunately you and I are here to educate them, as we saw in yesterday's thread header
    SeanT wants us gone you know.
    Sean is a drama Queen. In fact, he's Queen of the drama Queens. Just remember, most of us are sensible people ;).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    From that YouGov poll, only 47% want Corbyn to lead Labour at the general election
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    edited July 2016
    BigIan said:

    Are they just going to have an endless cycle of challenges now?
    TrumpCorbyn will just get more and more support - see Orkney and Shetland, Winchester etc. Slightly different but I think the same principle would apply.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited July 2016

    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.

    Listening to German News, the Bavarian interior minister has said, 3 seriously injured, 1 slightly injured and the other 14 on the train unharmed. – Attacker was shot dead, attempting to escape.
    I believe the 14 are being treated for shock.
    Sounds like it may be a relatively lucky escape hopefully (in comparison with what it could have been). To my knowledge Germany has not experienced any major islamic terrorism so far - is there an obvious reason why, when compared with the UK, France, or even Spain?

    Germany has a muslim population not far off France in % terms, but it would appear they are much better integrated - they had a much smaller number who went off to Syria. Is that just because the majority of muslims are secular turks, or is Germany doing something right in their assimilation approach?
    From what I can gather, there were only 20 people on the train / train carriage when the guy attacked.

    As for the big terror attacks, I think it has been well reported that they managed to head off several imminent attacks e.g. remember they cancelled that international football match a few months ago. So I think it might have been luck more than anything else that they haven't had one, they have definitely been planned.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    You mean celsius, right? 0 celsius isn't that arbitrary, since it is freezing point of water. Similarly for Fahrenheit and brine.

    0 Kelvin definitely isn't arbitrary, as it is the lowest possible temperature.
    You could approach it like that. I was referring to the inserted comment that kelvin did not have a reference point but I was thinking it does as you say the lowest temperature possible.

    Incidentally sea water (brine if you prefer) freezes at below 0degrees due to salt content and can freeze as low as -2 or even -3 dependent on salinity.

    I used to use brine in the drains of freezer compartments for that reason
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    The Honorable and Venerable Order of PB Pedants wish to inform the gentleman that absolute zero is −273.15°C (to two decimal places), which is 0K. Thank you.
    I consider myself suitably admonished and will concentrate on my homework a bit more closely in future. In fairness and mitigation that homework was over 40 years ago.
  • John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
    Why, I wonder, did God think of that? An odd thought in the creation process?
    Evolution moves in mysterious ways its wonders to perform :). The fluke forces the ant down as the sun rises - it dies if the temperature becomes too warm.

    Poor ants. They have the most gruesome parasites going.
    It's not just ants. We humans may also be susceptible to behaviour modification. There's evidence that the parasite responsible for toxoplasmosis, Toxoplasma gondii, tends to make its carriers more likely to engage in risk-taking behaviour. The parasite is carried by cats and other felines, and is passed on to humans through contact with their faeces.

    It's hypothesised that this effect stems from the time when humans were subject to being eaten by lions and other large cats. Increased risk-taking would have made the human carrier more likely to end up as a tiger's dinner, thus completing the life cycle of the parasite.

    Cat ownership really can affect your brain.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/toxoplasma-gondii-parasite-that-breeds-in-cats-could-affect-human-behaviour-when-it-infects-people-a6861221.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    Sorry to horribly aftertime

    But the thread I had planned to run yesterday afternoon was about you know Corbyn was going to win was that the likes of Cooper, Jarvis etc weren't putting themselves up against Jez.

    They knew they'd get mullered
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    eek said:

    vik said:

    The "deal" between Smith & Eagle is completely pointless in an AV system, and just makes the leadership plot look even sleazier.

    It's not pointless. It avoids the issue that occurred last time round when 3 candidates attacked each other whilst Corbyn sneaked down the left wing..... By the time the other candidates noticed it was too late...

    Plus if the election is 1 attempt and out it means you aren't losing all the plausible candidates if they are adopting that multiple attempts approach...
    He didn't sneak anywhere. He won a landslide of votes and didn't even need three quidders to win.

    I think it is also pretty ridiculous to imagine that Smith and Eagle would not end up attacking one another. The very fact Smith is standing is an attack on Eagle's fitness to lead Labour (and probably a very justified attack).
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,503

    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.

    Listening to German News, the Bavarian interior minister has said, 3 seriously injured, 1 slightly injured and the other 14 on the train unharmed. – Attacker was shot dead, attempting to escape.
    I believe the 14 are being treated for shock.
    Sounds like it may be a relatively lucky escape hopefully (in comparison with what it could have been). To my knowledge Germany has not experienced any major islamic terrorism so far - is there an obvious reason why, when compared with the UK, France, or even Spain?

    Germany has a muslim population not far off France in % terms, but it would appear they are much better integrated - they had a much smaller number who went off to Syria. Is that just because the majority of muslims are secular turks, or is Germany doing something right in their assimilation approach?
    Aren't most of them Turks? That may explain it. In part anyway.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited July 2016

    ZDF journalist is reporting Bayern "Home Secretary" states attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.

    https://twitter.com/ethevessen/status/755156982814928896

    I am going to take a wild guess and say we find out he wasn't actually 17.

    Nor actually from Afghanistan.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sky news saying German minister confirming that the attacker on the train was a refugee.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    Why do we reckon the attacker in Germany did what he did?

    SeanT said:

    I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH

    All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.

    Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
    If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.

    Enough now.

    Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.

    Except for the faint of brain.

    Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
    Delusional. You don't understand religion.

    We have to remove them.
    Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
    Satanic Verses kicked it off, IIRC.
    I don't think that can be considered a bolt of lightning that came from nowhere.
    Afghanistan?
    What about it? The war with the Soviet Union? The Taliban?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    Amusing that alot of the attacks on Trump are because he is perceived as too left wing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    SeanT said:

    ZDF journalist is reporting Bayern "Home Secretary" states attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.

    https://twitter.com/ethevessen/status/755156982814928896

    I am going to take a wild guess and say we find out he wasn't actually 17.

    That's it. I think. Die Rechnung.
    Ready for the reloaded media spin cycle? Wonder how fast they will get through it this time?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,411
    Been out most of today, I'm assuming this has been mentioned, I do love the choice of Justices

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg/status/755030265928507392
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Paristonda


    'Sounds like it may be a relatively lucky escape hopefully (in comparison with what it could have been). To my knowledge Germany has not experienced any major islamic terrorism so far - is there an obvious reason why, when compared with the UK, France, or even Spain?

    Germany has a muslim population not far off France in % terms, but it would appear they are much better integrated - they had a much smaller number who went off to Syria. Is that just because the majority of muslims are secular turks, or is Germany doing something right in their assimilation approach?'


    Yes the majority are Turks and in many cases contract workers without the German citizenship.

  • Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    It is absolute not arbitrary. Electons stop moving at that point.
    Actually, it's the atomic nuclei that stop vibrating. The electrons are always moving, insofar as they can be considered to be discrete particles.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,405

    Sky news saying German minister confirming that the attacker on the train was a refugee.

    "Danke, Germany for letting me into your wonderful country! Now I'll just attack some of your citizens!"
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited July 2016

    SeanT said:

    ZDF journalist is reporting Bayern "Home Secretary" states attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.

    https://twitter.com/ethevessen/status/755156982814928896

    I am going to take a wild guess and say we find out he wasn't actually 17.

    That's it. I think. Die Rechnung.
    Ready for the reloaded media spin cycle? Wonder how fast they will get through it this time?
    I'm betting it's because the awful Germans didn't didn't give him a big enough house.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Who are these people? Which is worse, a sect or a cult? It's certainly not an actual political party any longer.

    There's a parasitic liver fluke that infects ants. Each evening, it manipulates the ant's nervous system to force it to climb up a blade of grass, and then locks its mandibles in place. It repeats this every evening until the ant is eaten by a ruminant. The fluke completes its life cycle within said ruminant.

    It's like a parable.
    Why, I wonder, did God think of that? An odd thought in the creation process?
    Evolution moves in mysterious ways its wonders to perform :). The fluke forces the ant down as the sun rises - it dies if the temperature becomes too warm.

    Poor ants. They have the most gruesome parasites going.
    It's not just ants. We humans may also be susceptible to behaviour modification. There's evidence that the parasite responsible for toxoplasmosis, Toxoplasma gondii, tends to make its carriers more likely to engage in risk-taking behaviour. The parasite is carried by cats and other felines, and is passed on to humans through contact with their faeces.

    It's hypothesised that this effect stems from the time when humans were subject to being eaten by lions and other large cats. Increased risk-taking would have made the human carrier more likely to end up as a tiger's dinner, thus completing the life cycle of the parasite.

    Cat ownership really can affect your brain.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/toxoplasma-gondii-parasite-that-breeds-in-cats-could-affect-human-behaviour-when-it-infects-people-a6861221.html
    That's very interesting - I was only vaguely aware of that.

    Apparently we're also susceptible to manipulation by our gut bacteria. Having read a lot of Peter Watts, I'm not entirely convinced we're captains of our selves. Much of the time we're merely rationalising actions that something else initiated ;).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,655
    Off topic: Yasir Shah at top of bowling rankings - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36825027.

    Toss crucial at Old Trafford I think.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    Sky news saying German minister confirming that the attacker on the train was a refugee.

    "Danke, Germany for letting me into your wonderful country! Now I'll just attack some of your citizens!"
    You have to wonder about the mindset of some of these people.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,405

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    Why do we reckon the attacker in Germany did what he did?

    SeanT said:

    I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH

    All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.

    Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
    If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.

    Enough now.

    Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.

    Except for the faint of brain.

    Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
    Delusional. You don't understand religion.

    We have to remove them.
    Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
    Satanic Verses kicked it off, IIRC.
    I don't think that can be considered a bolt of lightning that came from nowhere.
    Afghanistan?
    What about it? The war with the Soviet Union? The Taliban?
    Taliban happened after the Soviet War, it was the Mujihadeen.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    "RAMPAGE IN WÜRZBURG
    Afghan (17) attacked by train with ax
    ++ He shouted "Allahu Akbar" ++ perpetrators shot ++ Three seriously injured ++ 14 passengers in shock ++"

    http://www.bild.de/news/2016/amoklauf/amok-wuerzburg-46881746.bild.html
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    The news from Germany is sounding a little more positive, if such a thing can be positive, but authorities are scaling back the numbers of those physically injured.

    Listening to German News, the Bavarian interior minister has said, 3 seriously injured, 1 slightly injured and the other 14 on the train unharmed. – Attacker was shot dead, attempting to escape.
    I believe the 14 are being treated for shock.
    Sounds like it may be a relatively lucky escape hopefully (in comparison with what it could have been). To my knowledge Germany has not experienced any major islamic terrorism so far - is there an obvious reason why, when compared with the UK, France, or even Spain?

    Germany has a muslim population not far off France in % terms, but it would appear they are much better integrated - they had a much smaller number who went off to Syria. Is that just because the majority of muslims are secular turks, or is Germany doing something right in their assimilation approach?
    I posted this back on 15th July.

    'If I was in Germany, I'd be slightly concerned. They've dodged a lot of stuff (as have we) and at some point that run of luck will cease.

    Certainly IS keep aiming to do something there just as much as they would like to hit the UK, though. At this point Germany has high strategic value: the centre of a fracturing European Union (and don't you believe that doesn't factor into IS strategists calculations)'

    This axe merchant is a mere nothing. Germany is in Islamist extremist sights for something far more structured.

    Germany escapes because of luck and some judgement. It isn't the assimilation strategy at all. There is good intelligence and policing work and less depth of radicalization just by accident rather than design.

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    SeanT said:

    ZDF journalist is reporting Bayern "Home Secretary" states attacker was a 17 year old Afghan.

    https://twitter.com/ethevessen/status/755156982814928896

    I am going to take a wild guess and say we find out he wasn't actually 17.

    That's it. I think. Die Rechnung.
    Ready for the reloaded media spin cycle? Wonder how fast they will get through it this time?
    It will all be over before you can say hashtag-pray-backlash-isolated-of peace-look a kitten.
  • BigIanBigIan Posts: 198

    Moses_ said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Lowlander said:

    RobD said:

    Daily Express using Farenheit...I blame Brexit.

    I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
    "Britain to Bake in 308 Degree Heatwave"
    Tut tut. The Kelvin scale doesn't have 'degrees' :p
    I was completely unaware of that. Is there an interesting reason why this is? Or is it just some boring Physics reason?
    I fear it is the latter :D

    Edit:

    The omission of "degree" indicates that it is not relative to an arbitrary reference point like the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales (although the Rankine scale continued to use "degree Rankine"), but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be manipulated algebraically (e.g. multiplied by two to indicate twice the amount of "mean energy" available among elementary degrees of freedom of the system).

    Confirmed!
    Absolute zero is -273 kelvin. One would presume that is arbitrary reference point?
    It is absolute not arbitrary. Electons stop moving at that point.
    Actually, it's the atomic nuclei that stop vibrating. The electrons are always moving, insofar as they can be considered to be discrete particles.
    Electrons move really well at those temperatures: superconductivity.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited July 2016
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    "RAMPAGE IN WÜRZBURG
    Afghan (17) attacked by train with ax
    ++ He shouted "Allahu Akbar" ++ perpetrators shot ++ Three seriously injured ++ 14 passengers in shock ++"

    http://www.bild.de/news/2016/amoklauf/amok-wuerzburg-46881746.bild.html

    I hate them, I hate them all. All of them.
    Remember not a proper Muslim, nothing to do with Islam, discrimination of recent migrants....
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AndyJS said:

    "RAMPAGE IN WÜRZBURG
    Afghan (17) attacked by train with ax
    ++ He shouted "Allahu Akbar" ++ perpetrators shot ++ Three seriously injured ++ 14 passengers in shock ++"

    http://www.bild.de/news/2016/amoklauf/amok-wuerzburg-46881746.bild.html

    The train attacked the 17 year old Afghan with an axe?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    "RAMPAGE IN WÜRZBURG
    Afghan (17) attacked by train with ax
    ++ He shouted "Allahu Akbar" ++ perpetrators shot ++ Three seriously injured ++ 14 passengers in shock ++"

    http://www.bild.de/news/2016/amoklauf/amok-wuerzburg-46881746.bild.html

    The train attacked the 17 year old Afghan with an axe?
    Google Translate isn't perfect but you get the essentials.
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