" We voted for Brexit to reverse us getting poorer. Now we're even poorer still. But I suppose the voguish internet libertarians arguing that we asserted agency in choosing to be even poorer have a point. So that's alright then. " I imagine the Wetherspoons of the Leave heartlands will be alright with such peons to ' control ' in 2021.
It really is dreary bullshit isn't it? Let's come back to PB after the summer. Have a good one folks!
Why is she quibbling? She should just stand, and the white working classes will swiftly come flocking to the electoral standard of THANGAM DEBBONAIRE
Has to be the best name in Parliament, in the Commons at least (let us not forget Lord Thomas Galloway Dunlop du Roy de Blicquy Galbraith after all).
Though I have a soft spot for Richard Grovesnor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
Happy to have played a part in first getting Richard elected in 2010. I have only a double barrelled name, but us non-single-namers need to stick together....
Equating barrelled surnames to poshness, I expect Charles has about a septuple barrelled name.
There are far posher people than dear Charles on this blog. Not that poshness or lack of matters in the slightest.
Being common as dirt, I have no doubt that is the case (though I know better than to play a game of Four Yorkshiremen on the internet)
" We voted for Brexit to reverse us getting poorer. Now we're even poorer still. But I suppose the voguish internet libertarians arguing that we asserted agency in choosing to be even poorer have a point. So that's alright then. " I imagine the Wetherspoons of the Leave heartlands will be alright with such peons to ' control ' in 2021.
How can you say with such certainty that we are poorer? We don't know how Brexit plays out in the long term, we barely have any idea how it plays out in the short term, the doom and gloom is beginning to lift IMO. Wells Fargo just spent £300m on a new European HQ in London. A Japanese industrialist has invested £24bn in our tech industry. I've been getting anecdotal reports that order books are holding up better than expected and overseas demand is up (unsurprisingly) as well. I've even heard from old colleagues that the games industry is hiring, far from there being job losses.
Maybe these are all isolated, I don't know. But what I do know is that it is completely stupid to say with any level of certainty that we are immediately poorer or better off because of Brexit. Let's leave that kind of rhetoric behind us, it helps no one and there isn't anywhere near enough evidence to say otherwise.
" We voted for Brexit to reverse us getting poorer. Now we're even poorer still. But I suppose the voguish internet libertarians arguing that we asserted agency in choosing to be even poorer have a point. So that's alright then. " I imagine the Wetherspoons of the Leave heartlands will be alright with such peons to ' control ' in 2021.
People make choices to be poorer all the time. I hate to have to point out this obvious fact to you. People give up work, or reduce their hours, to be with their kids or to find time for hobbies. People change careers to find more personal fulfilment.
Others move out of London to escape the shitty environment (e.g. me. Used to work in Holborn, lived in Wye Valley for 17 years at an opportunity cost of £100ks).
If money were all there was in this world, we'd all be working in the City.
Interesting article Robert though I would ask whether the Germans are benefiting from the euro while so many around them are straitjacketed and losing because of it.
Because Euro membership is not the only cause of economic discontent!
The US, Japan, and the UK have all seen median income fall in the last eight years, and none of them are members of the Euro.
Germany's success is largely the consequence of sensible education, regional development, banking regulation and tax choices.
€1 = £ 0.71 - 1999
€1 = £ 0.83 - 2016
The Euro has appreciated 16% in 17 years against Sterling !
Cat got your Tongue?
I can understand why you'd be deeply ashamed of what you posted on Friday night.
What did I write on Friday night , you f***ass !
You were praising Erdogan to the skies. Or did someone else hack into your account.
Absolutely in comparison to the fucking Military.
Were you not impressed with how the PEOPLE safeguarded democracy. On Friday night, you, Max PB and Lowlander [ a strange coalition ] were questioning my post that ALL political parties were opposed to the coup. It turned out to be correct'
I also wrote pretty early in the night that the coup was effectively over. Max was hoping that the gutless Military would overthrow a democratically elected regime.
Whether you like it or not, Erdogan [ who is basically a street bully ] is democratically elected. We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like.
The fact is the people of Turkey, from Gaziantep to Istanbul, responded to Erdogan's Face-time call to come out on to the streets.
The plotters were defeated and the Turkish people's choice was restored.
I regret nothing. Certainly not to someone who is a member of UKIP.
So, you're happy that he's rounding up thousands of judges and political opponents in the name of what you imagine to be democracy?
That says a lot about you.
Terrible though Erdogan may well be, but it is probably the case that he would win yet another election, fairly, if he promised to do just as he is now. It's unfortunate, to say the least.
Germany is not successful. No more than us. It exports more. It's infrastructure is often in tatters (as recent visitors, like me, will attest). It's median wages have also stagnated. It has benefited from an underpriced euro which has at the same time pauperised its EU neighbours which it now has to bail out.
Germany is not successful. It's just not as fucked as Greece or Italy.
Median wages are up about 8% in a period our are down the same amount.
Now, the bulk of that improvement has happened in the East, so you probably haven't seen it. But it's happened.
These German politicians sound like amateurs. Don't they know the best way to run an economy is to keep piling the wealth into the hands of the already wealthy?
Thankfully these guys aren't in charge of the UK or Wales might find itself moving towards prosperity while London has to cope on the only the wealth it already has.
In the context of the Eurozone, isn't piling the wealth into the hands of the Germans piling the wealth into the hands of the already wealthy? How are the Greeks and Portuguese doing from the arrangement?
Many Labour MPs will vote the way they voted on Iraq. ALL of them should be deselected.
For Iraq or this vote? If Iraq were justification they should have been deselected long ago, and if about this vote, well, it's still Labour policy to renew Trident for now, isn't it?
On what sounds like it is going to be another terrible night, a tiny tiny tiny bit of light...with true Germany efficiency a full slate of bus replacement services already been deployed.
Germany was very efficient at losing World Wars last century
They really weren't or everyone *would* have been home for Christmas!
Now the Brits have had the courage to opt for Brexit (it always seems to have to be us as prime movers), expect much more similar sentiment in other EU states over the next couple of years - especially those with elections pending.
The polling so far has been moving in the opposite direction.
Quite significantly more pro-EU in the polls I have seen.
That's fascinating, but I'd say it's only partly economics. People can feel they're losing out demographically and in terms of their status, as well as economically. That may be less of a problem, in a fast-growing economy, where everyone can grow richer, at different rates.
But, in a slow-growing economy, gains for the rich mean losses for the rest; gains for women mean losses for men; gains for people of colour mean losses for whites. But, it's not just about incomes. It's the sense that you've gone from being a respected citizen to being a pariah, during your lifetime.
I take Robert's general point. People can put up with a lot if they feel that they're prospering. In most Western countries there was an unconscious and entirely understandable expectation that successive generations would be richer than their predecessors. For much of the country that expectation was clearly wrong.
That fact, combined with loss of social and cultural cohesion is central to the challenges we face.
I posted on the previous thread my thoughts on why mass Muslim immigration posed a risk to social and cultural cohesion. If that - as well as the economic issues so well described by @rcs100 - are not properly dealt with we face a tough future. You cannot easily put together a society which is fracturing. It is easy to overdo the gloom but what is happening in France, what we have seen in Belgium and Germany, the issues in Austria and the problems we have faced are symptoms of fractures which could, if not dealt with, lead to even worse fissures.
T'other day I nominated you as El President and Dictator for Life in your absence. Can't believe you missed it.
On that basis, I have no idea why you're still hanging around here with this bunch of n'er do wells. Get cracking, ma'am, this country needs you.
I did miss it. Probably too busy gardening. But thank you.
Anyway, at the rate we're going we'll all get a chance to be PM before long. My turn will have to wait until next week as I'm having a long weekend in St Petersburg.
Interesting article Robert though I would ask whether the Germans are benefiting from the euro while so many around them are straitjacketed and losing because of it.
Because Euro membership is not the only cause of economic discontent!
The US, Japan, and the UK have all seen median income fall in the last eight years, and none of them are members of the Euro.
Germany's success is largely the consequence of sensible education, regional development, banking regulation and tax choices.
€1 = £ 0.71 - 1999
€1 = £ 0.83 - 2016
The Euro has appreciated 16% in 17 years against Sterling !
Cat got your Tongue?
I can understand why you'd be deeply ashamed of what you posted on Friday night.
What did I write on Friday night , you f***ass !
You were praising Erdogan to the skies. Or did someone else hack into your account.
Absolutely in comparison to the fucking Military.
Were you not impressed with how the PEOPLE safeguarded democracy. On Friday night, you, Max PB and Lowlander [ a strange coalition ] were questioning my post that ALL political parties were opposed to the coup. It turned out to be correct'
I also wrote pretty early in the night that the coup was effectively over. Max was hoping that the gutless Military would overthrow a democratically elected regime.
Whether you like it or not, Erdogan [ who is basically a street bully ] is democratically elected. We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like.
The fact is the people of Turkey, from Gaziantep to Istanbul, responded to Erdogan's Face-time call to come out on to the streets.
The plotters were defeated and the Turkish people's choice was restored.
I regret nothing. Certainly not to someone who is a member of UKIP.
So, you're happy that he's rounding up thousands of judges and political opponents in the name of what you imagine to be democracy?
That says a lot about you. It shows that you're morally worthless. The kind of person who would have been a cheerleader for Stalin or Pol Pot.
But that justifies a military coup opposed by the vast majority of people and ALL political parties ? So you are not a democrat ?
I don't like the Tory government but I would not support a military coup to topple it.
" We voted for Brexit to reverse us getting poorer. Now we're even poorer still. But I suppose the voguish internet libertarians arguing that we asserted agency in choosing to be even poorer have a point. So that's alright then. " I imagine the Wetherspoons of the Leave heartlands will be alright with such peons to ' control ' in 2021.
It really is dreary bullshit isn't it? Let's come back to PB after the summer. Have a good one folks!
Surely, not another flounce?
Talking of flounce, I'm going to have to leave PB for a short while.
My alternative plan for post Brexit polis is this. When the ex industrial Leave voting areas of E + W are even poorer in 5 years time and their fleeting illusion of " control " turns to even deeper anger I'm going to point. " Look over there. That group of voguish libertarian internet eighties with huge equity and two degrees each sold you a crock of *****. They used you to make a political point and usher in an even *more* globalised world that they'll thrive even better in. Why don't you hang them from a lamp post ? "
Their plan is to blame people's problems on foreigners again. I think their plan will work better than your plan.
Interesting article Robert though I would ask whether the Germans are benefiting from the euro while so many around them are straitjacketed and losing because of it.
Because Euro membership is not the only cause of economic discontent!
The US, Japan, and the UK have all seen median income fall in the last eight years, and none of them are members of the Euro.
Germany's success is largely the consequence of sensible education, regional development, banking regulation and tax choices.
€1 = £ 0.71 - 1999
€1 = £ 0.83 - 2016
The Euro has appreciated 16% in 17 years against Sterling !
Cat got your Tongue?
I can understand why you'd be deeply ashamed of what you posted on Friday night.
What did I write on Friday night , you f***ass !
You were praising Erdogan to the skies. Or did someone else hack into your account.
Absolutely in comparison to the fucking Military.
Were you not impressed with how the PEOPLE safeguarded democracy. On Friday night, you, Max PB and Lowlander [ a strange coalition ] were questioning my post that ALL political parties were opposed to the coup. It turned out to be correct'
I also wrote pretty early in the night that the coup was effectively over. Max was hoping that the gutless Military would overthrow a democratically elected regime.
Whether you like it or not, Erdogan [ who is basically a street bully ] is democratically elected. We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like.
The fact is the people of Turkey, from Gaziantep to Istanbul, responded to Erdogan's Face-time call to come out on to the streets.
The plotters were defeated and the Turkish people's choice was restored.
I regret nothing. Certainly not to someone who is a member of UKIP.
So, you're happy that he's rounding up thousands of judges and political opponents in the name of what you imagine to be democracy?
That says a lot about you. It shows that you're morally worthless. The kind of person who would have been a cheerleader for Stalin or Pol Pot.
But that justifies a military coup opposed by the vast majority of people and ALL political parties ? So you are not a democrat ?
I don't like the Tory government but I would not support a military coup to topple it.
Who do we reckon voted against Trident? Any Tories?
At least one, name escapes me. Wants a cheaper airborne version. He wrote a decent article on his objections. Unfortunately, when he got to a bit where I have expertise, he got it completely wrong, so that took the gloss off it.
Interesting article Robert though I would ask whether the Germans are benefiting from the euro while so many around them are straitjacketed and losing because of it.
Because Euro membership is not the only cause of economic discontent!
The US, Japan, and the UK have all seen median income fall in the last eight years, and none of them are members of the Euro.
Germany's success is largely the consequence of sensible education, regional development, banking regulation and tax choices.
Germany is not successful. No more than us. It exports more. It's infrastructure is often in tatters (as recent visitors, like me, will attest). It's median wages have also stagnated. It has benefited from an underpriced euro which has at the same time pauperised its EU neighbours which it now has to bail out.
Germany is not successful. It's just not as fucked as Greece or Italy.
Germany efficiency is a bit of a misnomer these days. They've got the biggest construction f**k-up in the history of Europe at the new Berlin airport.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
Interesting article Robert though I would ask whether the Germans are benefiting from the euro while so many around them are straitjacketed and losing because of it.
Because Euro membership is not the only cause of economic discontent!
The US, Japan, and the UK have all seen median income fall in the last eight years, and none of them are members of the Euro.
Germany's success is largely the consequence of sensible education, regional development, banking regulation and tax choices.
€1 = £ 0.71 - 1999
€1 = £ 0.83 - 2016
The Euro has appreciated 16% in 17 years against Sterling !
Cat got your Tongue?
I can understand why you'd be deeply ashamed of what you posted on Friday night.
What did I write on Friday night , you f***ass !
You were praising Erdogan to the skies. Or did someone else hack into your account.
Were you not impressed with how the PEOPLE safeguarded democracy. On Friday night, you, Max PB and Lowlander [ a strange coalition ] were questioning my post that ALL political parties were opposed to the coup. It turned out to be correct'
I also wrote pretty early in the night that the coup was effectively over. Max was hoping that the gutless Military would overthrow a democratically elected regime.
Whether you like it or not, Erdogan [ who is basically a street bully ] is democratically elected. We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like.
The fact is the people of Turkey, from Gaziantep to Istanbul, responded to Erdogan's Face-time call to come out on to the streets.
The plotters were defeated and the Turkish people's choice was restored.
I regret nothing. Certainly not to someone who is a member of UKIP.
So, you're happy that he's rounding up thousands of judges and political opponents in the name of what you imagine to be democracy?
That says a lot about you. It shows that you're morally worthless. The kind of person who would have been a cheerleader for Stalin or Pol Pot.
But that justifies a military coup opposed by the vast majority of people and ALL political parties ? So you are not a democrat ?
I don't like the Tory government but I would not support a military coup to topple it.
If the Tory Party started rounding up its opponents, banning criticism of its record, carrying out extra-judicial killings, interning dissenting judges, and proposing reintroducing capital punishment for its enemies, would you be okay with that, because it won the last general election?
Now the Brits have had the courage to opt for Brexit (it always seems to have to be us as prime movers), expect much more similar sentiment in other EU states over the next couple of years - especially those with elections pending.
The polling so far has been moving in the opposite direction.
O. We're trusting polling again are we?
Yes. It got Brexit within a few percent, and detecting a move is usually easier than getting the exact level right.
Ignore it and bet with your gut if you like, YMMV.
" We voted for Brexit to reverse us getting poorer. Now we're even poorer still. But I suppose the voguish internet libertarians arguing that we asserted agency in choosing to be even poorer have a point. So that's alright then. " I imagine the Wetherspoons of the Leave heartlands will be alright with such peons to ' control ' in 2021.
It really is dreary bullshit isn't it? Let's come back to PB after the summer. Have a good one folks!
Surely, not another flounce?
Talking of flounce, I'm going to have to leave PB for a short while.
Have fun peeps!
Cheerio Josias. Was lovely to have you back. Look after yourself.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
The UK is the only country in the world at the moment with both a female head of state and head of government. I guess a lot of women in Muslim countries wish they were living here.
Why is she quibbling? She should just stand, and the white working classes will swiftly come flocking to the electoral standard of THANGAM DEBBONAIRE
Has to be the best name in Parliament, in the Commons at least (let us not forget Lord Thomas Galloway Dunlop du Roy de Blicquy Galbraith after all).
Though I have a soft spot for Richard Grovesnor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
Happy to have played a part in first getting Richard elected in 2010. I have only a double barrelled name, but us non-single-namers need to stick together....
Equating barrelled surnames to poshness, I expect Charles has about a septuple barrelled name.
Only a single barrelled name, I'm afraid...
(although I do have 3 forenames, an 'of' and an 'ap')
If the Tory Party started rounding up its opponents, banning criticism of its record, carrying out extra-judicial killings, interning dissenting judges, and proposing reintroducing capital punishment for its enemies, would you be okay with that, because it won the last general election?
He dreams of a Labour government that can achieve all of those things.
My alternative plan for post Brexit polis is this. When the ex industrial Leave voting areas of E + W are even poorer in 5 years time and their fleeting illusion of " control " turns to even deeper anger I'm going to point. " Look over there. That group of voguish libertarian internet eighties with huge equity and two degrees each sold you a crock of *****. They used you to make a political point and usher in an even *more* globalised world that they'll thrive even better in. Why don't you hang them from a lamp post ? "
Their plan is to blame people's problems on foreigners again. I think their plan will work better than your plan.
Yes you're right on both counts. But we must at least try. The only silver lining to Brexit is the ' Drawbridge Downers ' are no longer the establishment. We're free to run shrill post truth culture wars our self now. I think I'm going to enjoy it.n
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
The UK is the only country in the world at the moment with both a female head of state and head of government. I guess a lot of women in Muslim countries wish they were living here.
The polling tends to show that Muslim women are even more vociferous in their support for hardline conservative views.
Why is she quibbling? She should just stand, and the white working classes will swiftly come flocking to the electoral standard of THANGAM DEBBONAIRE
Has to be the best name in Parliament, in the Commons at least (let us not forget Lord Thomas Galloway Dunlop du Roy de Blicquy Galbraith after all).
Though I have a soft spot for Richard Grovesnor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
Happy to have played a part in first getting Richard elected in 2010. I have only a double barrelled name, but us non-single-namers need to stick together....
Equating barrelled surnames to poshness, I expect Charles has about a septuple barrelled name.
Only a single barrelled name, I'm afraid...
(although I do have 3 forenames, an 'of' and an 'ap')
Interesting article Robert though I would ask whether the Germans are benefiting from the euro while so many around them are straitjacketed and losing because of it.
Because Euro membership is not the only cause of economic discontent!
The US, Japan, and the UK have all seen median income fall in the last eight years, and none of them are members of the Euro.
Germany's success is largely the consequence of sensible education, regional development, banking regulation and tax choices.
€1 = £ 0.71 - 1999
€1 = £ 0.83 - 2016
The Euro has appreciated 16% in 17 years against Sterling !
Cat got your Tongue?
I can understand why you'd be deeply ashamed of what you posted on Friday night.
What did I write on Friday night , you f***ass !
You were praising Erdogan to the skies. Or did someone else hack into your account.
Absolutely in comparison to the fucking Military.
Were you not impressed with how the PEOPLE safeguarded democracy. On Friday night, you, Max PB and Lowlander [ a strange coalition ] were questioning my post that ALL political parties were opposed to the coup. It turned out to be correct'
I also wrote pretty early in the night that the coup was effectively over. Max was hoping that the gutless Military would overthrow a democratically elected regime.
Whether you like it or not, Erdogan [ who is basically a street bully ] is democratically elected. We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like.
The fact is the people of Turkey, from Gaziantep to Istanbul, responded to Erdogan's Face-time call to come out on to the streets.
The plotters were defeated and the Turkish people's choice was restored.
I regret nothing. Certainly not to someone who is a member of UKIP.
So, you're happy that he's rounding up thousands of judges and political opponents in the name of what you imagine to be democracy?
That says a lot about you. It shows that you're morally worthless. The kind of person who would have been a cheerleader for Stalin or Pol Pot.
Surbiton's posts on here show him up to be a deeply unpleasant individual.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
And how do we make windows into mens' souls? If only it were as easy as only allowing the co-operative integrating ones to stay here and kicking out the others.
Villanising all may not be acceptable. So what is? Doing nothing is not an option, is it? We've already had Sarkozy suggest that foreign born sympathisers of terrorism should be kicked out of France. If nothing continues to be done soon some political party will seriously suggest what SeanT (in one of his moods I assume) has said.
Why is they using Fahrenheit?! This is the UK, not the US!
That was why I posted it. It seems an utterly bizarre decision.
Unless their entire readership is in its 80s.
Sorry, I saw it at the top of your post. I'm old enough to remember the Beeb using both Celsius and Fahrenheit in their TV forecasts, but must have been back in the 1980s I think.
My alternative plan for post Brexit polis is this. When the ex industrial Leave voting areas of E + W are even poorer in 5 years time and their fleeting illusion of " control " turns to even deeper anger I'm going to point. " Look over there. That group of voguish libertarian internet eighties with huge equity and two degrees each sold you a crock of *****. They used you to make a political point and usher in an even *more* globalised world that they'll thrive even better in. Why don't you hang them from a lamp post ? "
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
The UK is the only country in the world at the moment with both a female head of state and head of government. I guess a lot of women in Muslim countries wish they were living here.
Plenty of muslim states have had female leaders. Which is not to say many do not also have terrible conditions for women of course.
My alternative plan for post Brexit polis is this. When the ex industrial Leave voting areas of E + W are even poorer in 5 years time and their fleeting illusion of " control " turns to even deeper anger I'm going to point. " Look over there. That group of voguish libertarian internet eighties with huge equity and two degrees each sold you a crock of *****. They used you to make a political point and usher in an even *more* globalised world that they'll thrive even better in. Why don't you hang them from a lamp post ? "
Their plan is to blame people's problems on foreigners again. I think their plan will work better than your plan.
Yes you're right on both counts. But we must at least try. The only silver lining to Brexit is the ' Drawbridge Downers ' are no longer the establishment. We're free to run shrill post truth culture wars our self now. I think I'm going to enjoy it.n
The reforms Renzi wants enacted include: aimed at giving the party that came first in elections for the Chamber of Deputies a great many additional seats, allowing the formation of a stronger government. Which is the same reforms bought in by the Greek government recently. They expect it will help the established parties but in Greece Syriza came first. Oooops.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
IS biggest source of income by far is trade, crime and extortion. They been self sustaining for years.
Secondly swinging an axe or driving a truck with some kind of remote encouragement doesn't take much money.
Get this into your head. You want to reduce IS funding, you kill them off where they have territory, you eliminate that territory so they can't collect.
Why is she quibbling? She should just stand, and the white working classes will swiftly come flocking to the electoral standard of THANGAM DEBBONAIRE
Has to be the best name in Parliament, in the Commons at least (let us not forget Lord Thomas Galloway Dunlop du Roy de Blicquy Galbraith after all).
Though I have a soft spot for Richard Grovesnor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
Happy to have played a part in first getting Richard elected in 2010. I have only a double barrelled name, but us non-single-namers need to stick together....
Equating barrelled surnames to poshness, I expect Charles has about a septuple barrelled name.
Only a single barrelled name, I'm afraid...
(although I do have 3 forenames, an 'of' and an 'ap')
Why is they using Fahrenheit?! This is the UK, not the US!
That was why I posted it. It seems an utterly bizarre decision.
Unless their entire readership is in its 80s.
95 is a bigger, scarier number than 30. That is why they used it.
It's only bigger and scarier when you know what it is.
I personally have no understanding of what it means when I see a temperature in Farenheit beyond a very vague idea that over 80 is hot and below 80 is cold. Beyond that, I'm lost.
Checking the web, the BBC have been using Celcius primarily since 1962. Can't find when they stopped including Farenheit but at least 30 years ago? I think most older people use C, I know my mum is in her mid 70s and only ever quotes temperatures in Celcius.
My alternative plan for post Brexit polis is this. When the ex industrial Leave voting areas of E + W are even poorer in 5 years time and their fleeting illusion of " control " turns to even deeper anger I'm going to point. " Look over there. That group of voguish libertarian internet eighties with huge equity and two degrees each sold you a crock of *****. They used you to make a political point and usher in an even *more* globalised world that they'll thrive even better in. Why don't you hang them from a lamp post ? "
Their plan is to blame people's problems on foreigners again. I think their plan will work better than your plan.
Yes you're right on both counts. But we must at least try. The only silver lining to Brexit is the ' Drawbridge Downers ' are no longer the establishment. We're free to run shrill post truth culture wars our self now. I think I'm going to enjoy it.n
You are rapidly flushing your reputation down the toilet on this forum with every post like this.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
Delusional. You don't understand religion.
We have to remove them.
Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
Why is they using Fahrenheit?! This is the UK, not the US!
That was why I posted it. It seems an utterly bizarre decision.
Unless their entire readership is in its 80s.
Sorry, I saw it at the top of your post. I'm old enough to remember the Beeb using both Celsius and Fahrenheit in their TV forecasts, but must have been back in the 1980s I think.
Yeah, I can just about remember the dual forecasts but I never paid any attention to the Farenheit numbers, so my recollection of them is virtually non-existent.
Many Labour MPs will vote the way they voted on Iraq. ALL of them should be deselected.
Isn't this a bit of a disconnect?
"We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like."
"ALL of them should be deselected"
Only saying....
I was talking about my party. I am 100% sure you are not a member. So fuck off !
So .......non members get added to the "boring middle aged mothers" and people who cannot stump up 25quid on the list of people Labour consider don't count and could not give a shit about?
Thanks for clarifying. At this rate your Voter base is going to get a bit thin I would say. You and your party are really in a very dark place. Good.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
Delusional. You don't understand religion.
We have to remove them.
Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
Why is they using Fahrenheit?! This is the UK, not the US!
That was why I posted it. It seems an utterly bizarre decision.
Unless their entire readership is in its 80s.
95 is a bigger, scarier number than 30. That is why they used it.
It's only bigger and scarier when you know what it is.
I personally have no understanding of what it means when I see a temperature in Farenheit beyond a very vague idea that over 80 is hot and below 80 is cold. Beyond that, I'm lost.
Checking the web, the BBC have been using Celcius primarily since 1962. Can't find when they stopped including Farenheit but at least 30 years ago? I think most older people use C, I know my mum is in her mid 70s and only ever quotes temperatures in Celcius.
When I left the UK in the 70s the BBC were using both. Here we just use fahrenheit.
I want Muslims to LEAVE. Fuck them. Kick them out. UGH
All of them, every one of them. Let them go hence.
Not really acceptable dear chap. One of easiest ways to turn co-operative integrating muslims into west-hating jihadis is to villanise all of them
If it is another Islamist attack, I stand by my sentiments.
Enough now.
Western policy should be gently oriented towards the ultimate goal of peaceably removing most Muslims from the western world. Let them prosper in the Middle East. Good luck to them. The idea of happy coexistence, between Islam and plural secularity, within a liberal Europe, is a fond delusion. A delusion which has ended.
Except for the faint of brain.
Instead of targeting Muslims we need to target the sources of funding for extreme Islam. Saudi Arabia, until we do that we're fucked. If we cut off the money supply for extreme versions of Islam then Muslims, like most other religions in the UK will slowly become a smaller and smaller part of Muslims' lives.
Delusional. You don't understand religion.
We have to remove them.
Whatever the difficulties have always been with integration, Islamism wasn't a major problem here till the 1980s. The mass propaganda campaign has made a real difference.
Satanic Verses kicked it off, IIRC.
From memory, people first started going...'hmm' when the Shah fell. That's when most Brits started hearing the rhetoric about the 'Great Satan' and 'Crusaders'.
I look forward to the first paper reporting a heatwave in Kelvin!
Like the Washington Post rating Obama as a 4 pinocchio liar, we could have 86 fahrenheit (30 celsius) rated as a 3 dead polar bear temperature, but 95 (35 celsius) would rate a 4 dead polar bear temperature.
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Maybe these are all isolated, I don't know. But what I do know is that it is completely stupid to say with any level of certainty that we are immediately poorer or better off because of Brexit. Let's leave that kind of rhetoric behind us, it helps no one and there isn't anywhere near enough evidence to say otherwise.
Others move out of London to escape the shitty environment (e.g. me. Used to work in Holborn, lived in Wye Valley for 17 years at an opportunity cost of £100ks).
If money were all there was in this world, we'd all be working in the City.
Such a bizarre headline. Even the people I know in their 60s and 70s don't use Farenheit any more.
https://twitter.com/frontpageuk/status/755147555734970369
Anyway, at the rate we're going we'll all get a chance to be PM before long. My turn will have to wait until next week as I'm having a long weekend in St Petersburg.
PS I like ne'er do wells.
Under/over on 172
"We cannot have a democracy which only elects people we like."
"ALL of them should be deselected"
Only saying....
I don't like the Tory government but I would not support a military coup to topple it.
Have fun peeps!
There are plenty of anti-Corbynites against Trident. Ian Murray is a plotter/resigner and he will vote against. I expect around 145.
If that's true then I'm in trouble.
Or did he abstain ?
Is Hansard out yet ?
http://www.dw.com/en/berlins-new-airport-potentially-hit-by-yet-another-delay/a-19107260
This vote is a gift IMO
Smokes out the warmongers
Ignore it and bet with your gut if you like, YMMV.
Unless their entire readership is in its 80s.
(although I do have 3 forenames, an 'of' and an 'ap')
Good night all.
Villanising all may not be acceptable. So what is? Doing nothing is not an option, is it? We've already had Sarkozy suggest that foreign born sympathisers of terrorism should be kicked out of France. If nothing continues to be done soon some political party will seriously suggest what SeanT (in one of his moods I assume) has said.
Hand-wringing is neither use nor ornament.
aimed at giving the party that came first in elections for the Chamber of Deputies a great many additional seats, allowing the formation of a stronger government.
Which is the same reforms bought in by the Greek government recently.
They expect it will help the established parties but in Greece Syriza came first.
Oooops.
Secondly swinging an axe or driving a truck with some kind of remote encouragement doesn't take much money.
Get this into your head. You want to reduce IS funding, you kill them off where they have territory, you eliminate that territory so they can't collect.
I personally have no understanding of what it means when I see a temperature in Farenheit beyond a very vague idea that over 80 is hot and below 80 is cold. Beyond that, I'm lost.
Checking the web, the BBC have been using Celcius primarily since 1962. Can't find when they stopped including Farenheit but at least 30 years ago? I think most older people use C, I know my mum is in her mid 70s and only ever quotes temperatures in Celcius.
So .......non members get added to the "boring middle aged mothers" and people who cannot stump up 25quid on the list of people Labour consider don't count and could not give a shit about?
Thanks for clarifying. At this rate your Voter base is going to get a bit thin I would say. You and your party are really in a very dark place. Good.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/755154884257837056