As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
Yes, I agree on both counts. Not good for Ms Leadsom, though. By the time party members get to vote, the real-economy effects which the financial markets are currently pre-figuring will be starting to be obvious.
I wish I was as confident as you!! Despite having significant funds on May, I have this nagging feeling that the membership are about to join in the general WTF feeling about politics.
I see those nice people at Ladbrokes have paid out on the May/Leadsom final which I pointed to at 1.8 (4/5 in old money) last Friday.
On the main gig, I'm certainly not laying off my May position at the current 1.29-1.31. I reckon fair odds should be something like 1.05.
For sheer stonking good value that May & Leadsom Final bet, virtually a certainty, was one of the bets of the year. Shadsy soon recognised his mistake, reducing the odds to 1/3 in no time at all!
As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
Yes, I agree on both counts. Not good for Ms Leadsom, though. By the time party members get to vote, the real-economy effects which the financial markets are currently pre-figuring will be starting to be obvious.
I wish I was as confident as you!! Despite having significant funds on May, I have this nagging feeling that the membership are about to join in the general WTF feeling about politics.
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
I agree with that HYUFD*
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
It stands for whatever you want it to stand for!
I always guessed your real name was Horatio Yossarian Ulysses Florian Delauncet.
The five different strategies outlined here all strike me as ones that could work for Leadsom, running as the outsider, as the candidates get down to the hard detail. Fundamentally, May must be in a weak position with responsibility in government for the very issue which brought people out to vote for Leave in their drones, yet who as a committed Remainer turned her back on the only course available if their concerns were to be addressed.
As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
Yes, I agree on both counts. Not good for Ms Leadsom, though. By the time party members get to vote, the real-economy effects which the financial markets are currently pre-figuring will be starting to be obvious.
I wish I was as confident as you!! Despite having significant funds on May, I have this nagging feeling that the membership are about to join in the general WTF feeling about politics.
the whole country will soon learn that Andrea Leadsom is not an ‘exciting new voice’ in our politics but that familiar type of Conservative who mistakes not listening with steadfastness, and ignorance for principle. ‘I know what I believe and you’re not going to make me change my mind’ is a tolerable attitude from someone who knows what they are doing, but a terrible attitude for someone who knows next to nothing.
Ouch.
Well, she has a couple of months to prove him wrong, and us a couple of months to hope the members realise if he is not wrong and vote accordingly.
As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
Yes, I agree on both counts. Not good for Ms Leadsom, though. By the time party members get to vote, the real-economy effects which the financial markets are currently pre-figuring will be starting to be obvious.
I wish I was as confident as you!! Despite having significant funds on May, I have this nagging feeling that the membership are about to join in the general WTF feeling about politics.
the whole country will soon learn that Andrea Leadsom is not an ‘exciting new voice’ in our politics but that familiar type of Conservative who mistakes not listening with steadfastness, and ignorance for principle. ‘I know what I believe and you’re not going to make me change my mind’ is a tolerable attitude from someone who knows what they are doing, but a terrible attitude for someone who knows next to nothing.
Ouch.
Well, she has a couple of months to prove him wrong, and us a couple of months to hope the members realise if he is not wrong and vote accordingly.
Love how one of the main attack lines by the MSM on Leadsom is her failure to vote for gay marriage. More Primrose Hill polling, that.
Oh, is the mainstream media not to be trusted again, not that bits of it that were for leave, and therefore trustworthy media, are going for May?
It's not a comment on Leave/Remain, it's a comment on how out of touch the TV media is when it comes to this matter. Most people couldn't give a fig about it.
Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
It is an astonishing thing to do. Deliberately being rubbish.
I think this is all rubbish. The civil service have plans for Brexit, depending on the variety. The problem is they can do nothing until a new government/PM is in place.
Love how one of the main attack lines by the MSM on Leadsom is her failure to vote for gay marriage. More Primrose Hill polling, that.
Oh, is the mainstream media not to be trusted again, not that bits of it that were for leave, and therefore trustworthy media, are going for May?
It's not a comment on Leave/Remain, it's a comment on how out of touch the TV media is when it comes to this matter. Most people couldn't give a fig about it.
Most people couldn't give a fig about owt.
Yet politcians should.
Why - and on what basis - is it right to deny two adults who are single and in love the right to marry? Why would anyone want to stop them?
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
I agree with that HYUFD*
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
It stands for whatever you want it to stand for!
I always guessed your real name was Horatio Yossarian Ulysses Florian Delauncet.
Love how one of the main attack lines by the MSM on Leadsom is her failure to vote for gay marriage. More Primrose Hill polling, that.
Oh, is the mainstream media not to be trusted again, not that bits of it that were for leave, and therefore trustworthy media, are going for May?
It's not a comment on Leave/Remain, it's a comment on how out of touch the TV media is when it comes to this matter. Most people couldn't give a fig about it.
It may not have been meant as a leave or remain point, but the comparison is inescapable. Mainstream media is a meaningless term most often used to mean media an individual dislikes, even if you personally were not using it in that sense, and then going quite in Railing against the msm when it supports ones own points.
I woukd love to see the phrase consigned to the dustbin.
AP BREAKING: State Department reopens probe of how Hillary Clinton, top aides handled classified information.
Not a lot of detail at this stage.
The key will be administrative sanctions against those deemed sloppy with classified information. So we probably won't see political appointments for Huma Abedin, Sullivan and Mills.
"Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) began his questioning of Comey with a series of inquiries pertaining to the accuracy of the former secretary of state’s testimony before the Benghazi committee last October and other public statements.
"To Clinton’s assertion that she never sent or received information marked classified on her private email, Comey pointed to the investigation’s findings to the contrary.
"That's not true. There were a small number of portion markings on I think three of the documents,” Comey said. (The State Department on Wednesday said that two of those documents were inadvertently marked.)
"On Clinton’s statement that she did not email classified material to anyone, Comey responded, “There was classified email.”
“Secretary Clinton said she used just one device. Was that true?” Gowdy asked, to which Comey answered, “She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as secretary of state.”
"Asked about Clinton’s claim that all work-related emails were returned to State, Comey said that was not true.
"As far as Clinton’s statement that neither she nor anyone else deleted work-related emails from her personal account, Comey said that was “a harder one to answer,” as investigators found traces of work-related emails “on devices or in slack space, whether they were deleted or on a server that was changed out or something else happened to them.”
"Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails and were overly inclusive. Did her lawyers read the email content individually?" Gowdy asked. Comey responded, "No."
Chaffetz also got in one good point:
"As he concluded his questioning, Chaffetz asked whether Clinton gave “non-cleared people access to classified information.”
Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
It is an astonishing thing to do. Deliberately being rubbish.
I think this is all rubbish. The civil service have plans for Brexit, depending on the variety. The problem is they can do nothing until a new government/PM is in place.
Not according to a Mr Scholar:
"Treasury made no plans for Brexit, says new head Tom Scholar"
Theresa May is the top choice to be the next Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader, according to a new Sky Data poll.
Almost half of those surveyed said Mrs May should be the next Prime Minister, while Andrea Leadsom's support sat on 25%, with a further 28% saying they didn't know who to choose.
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
I agree with that HYUFD*
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
It stands for whatever you want it to stand for!
I always guessed your real name was Horatio Yossarian Ulysses Florian Delauncet.
Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
It is an astonishing thing to do. Deliberately being rubbish.
I think this is all rubbish. The civil service have plans for Brexit, depending on the variety. The problem is they can do nothing until a new government/PM is in place.
Not according to a Mr Scholar:
"Treasury made no plans for Brexit, says new head Tom Scholar"
Ouch! So literally the only people who thought it prudent to plan for both outcomes of a public referendum were the Bank of England. Says a lot about why the public voted to stick one up the establishment.
What a choice the American people have been given. I'm increasingly thinking that Trump can win this, certainly the 3/1 or thereabouts is value, although maybe laying Hilary is the better value - both assumed candidates might not even make it through the conventions!
NHS and heart surgery -- three hospitals ordered to stop heart operations but at least two of them dispute the figures behind an "irrational and reckless announcement". WTF is going on at Health? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36737265
NHS and heart surgery -- three hospitals ordered to stop heart operations but at least two of them dispute the figures behind an "irrational and reckless announcement". WTF is going on at Health? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36737265
British Heart Foundation chief executive Simon Gillespie said he supported the changes, which he wanted to see "implemented as quickly as possible". "It is absolutely critical that children and adults with congenital heart disease and their families receive safe and effective care, wherever they live."
Looks like NHS E&W is taking on local chieftains...
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
Well, in last year's Labour contest, Labourlist right from the early stages had Corbyn winning their "voodoo polls" by landslides and adulation from the comments sections.
At the beginning of the contest, that was all dismissed as an unrepresentative sample of the membership....
May ought to win this, given her backing from MP's, and the fact that she's well-regarded (I think) by party members. And, she's the only candidate who can unite the Conservative Party. But, she must careful to treat this as a serious contest.
The one thing that could swing the contest to Leadsom is if she is relentlessly attacked for being a Christian and having opposed gay marriage, given that this particular electorate will tend to be sympathetic to her on both points.
Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
It is an astonishing thing to do. Deliberately being rubbish.
I think this is all rubbish. The civil service have plans for Brexit, depending on the variety. The problem is they can do nothing until a new government/PM is in place.
Not according to a Mr Scholar:
"Treasury made no plans for Brexit, says new head Tom Scholar"
Ouch! So literally the only people who thought it prudent to plan for both outcomes of a public referendum were the Bank of England. Says a lot about why the public voted to stick one up the establishment.
That seems to me to be an irredeemably stupid decision to rank with Frau Merkel's decision to invite a million migrants.
Theresa May is the top choice to be the next Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader, according to a new Sky Data poll.
Almost half of those surveyed said Mrs May should be the next Prime Minister, while Andrea Leadsom's support sat on 25%, with a further 28% saying they didn't know who to choose.
Comments
Amazed no-one thought to mention it on here.
I give Leadsom until Spring 2018.
Shadsy soon recognised his mistake, reducing the odds to 1/3 in no time at all!
Most of the remain voters aren't allowed out on a school night
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/07/how-andrea-leadsom-can-beat-theresa-may
The five different strategies outlined here all strike me as ones that could work for Leadsom, running as the outsider, as the candidates get down to the hard detail. Fundamentally, May must be in a weak position with responsibility in government for the very issue which brought people out to vote for Leave in their drones, yet who as a committed Remainer turned her back on the only course available if their concerns were to be addressed.
Ouch.
Well, she has a couple of months to prove him wrong, and us a couple of months to hope the members realise if he is not wrong and vote accordingly.
Good night.
BREAKING: State Department reopens probe of how Hillary Clinton, top aides handled classified information.
Muppet!
http://heatst.com/politics/eu-chief-junker-says-he-talks-to-aliens-will-merkel-sack-him-over-brexit
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAILS_NEW_INVESTIGATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Yet politcians should.
Why - and on what basis - is it right to deny two adults who are single and in love the right to marry? Why would anyone want to stop them?
Do you switch?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/07/andrea-leadsom-gives-tories-a-chance-to-take-their-party-back/
Wonderful stuff. The comments, as usual, provide the best reading. Some terrible puns - klingon to power... We are the EU, resistance is futile.
I woukd love to see the phrase consigned to the dustbin.
The key will be administrative sanctions against those deemed sloppy with classified information. So we probably won't see political appointments for Huma Abedin, Sullivan and Mills.
"Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) began his questioning of Comey with a series of inquiries pertaining to the accuracy of the former secretary of state’s testimony before the Benghazi committee last October and other public statements.
"To Clinton’s assertion that she never sent or received information marked classified on her private email, Comey pointed to the investigation’s findings to the contrary.
"That's not true. There were a small number of portion markings on I think three of the documents,” Comey said. (The State Department on Wednesday said that two of those documents were inadvertently marked.)
"On Clinton’s statement that she did not email classified material to anyone, Comey responded, “There was classified email.”
“Secretary Clinton said she used just one device. Was that true?” Gowdy asked, to which Comey answered, “She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as secretary of state.”
"Asked about Clinton’s claim that all work-related emails were returned to State, Comey said that was not true.
"As far as Clinton’s statement that neither she nor anyone else deleted work-related emails from her personal account, Comey said that was “a harder one to answer,” as investigators found traces of work-related emails “on devices or in slack space, whether they were deleted or on a server that was changed out or something else happened to them.”
"Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails and were overly inclusive. Did her lawyers read the email content individually?" Gowdy asked. Comey responded, "No."
Chaffetz also got in one good point:
"As he concluded his questioning, Chaffetz asked whether Clinton gave “non-cleared people access to classified information.”
“Yes,” Comey said, repeating, “Yes.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/james-comey-testimony-clinton-email-225224#ixzz4Dlo3Ewe5
PS Lots of good material for Trump ads
"Treasury made no plans for Brexit, says new head Tom Scholar"
http://tinyurl.com/hdnhfjb
Dave&Oz didn't bother.
Almost half of those surveyed said Mrs May should be the next Prime Minister, while Andrea Leadsom's support sat on 25%, with a further 28% saying they didn't know who to choose.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-poll-public-wants-theresa-may-as-pm-10495349
FPT
The advantage of being the younger son is that I get to do my own thing - my poor brother had his life's path mapped out from birth.
You might say I'm the Prince Harry of our family
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/philando-castile-alton-sterling-reaction/index.html
First trade mission.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36737265
"It is absolutely critical that children and adults with congenital heart disease and their families receive safe and effective care, wherever they live."
Looks like NHS E&W is taking on local chieftains...
The one thing that could swing the contest to Leadsom is if she is relentlessly attacked for being a Christian and having opposed gay marriage, given that this particular electorate will tend to be sympathetic to her on both points.
http://www.eufreshstart.co.uk/FSP UK Settlement Statement.pdf