On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
Well, in last year's Labour contest, Labourlist right from the early stages had Corbyn winning their "voodoo polls" by landslides and adulation from the comments sections.
At the beginning of the contest, that was all dismissed as an unrepresentative sample of the membership....
I've a average record of forecasting but Leadsom has a chance.
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
Well, in last year's Labour contest, Labourlist right from the early stages had Corbyn winning their "voodoo polls" by landslides and adulation from the comments sections.
At the beginning of the contest, that was all dismissed as an unrepresentative sample of the membership....
Yes but IDS led the polls which were taken of Tory members in 2001, now May does. Tory members are also electing the PM, in 2001 Tory members were not electing IDS to be PM nor were Labour members when they elected Corbyn, becoming opposition leader after a term out of power is not the same as becoming the leader of the country
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
But Con Home's poll had May and Leadsom almost tied.
And the YouGov poll of Con members had May beating Leadsom 2:1.
Anything could happen and as a May supporter I'm extremely nervous - but have to think that having every newspaper on her side must help May at least to some degree.
Plus literally every well known name in the party will be supporting her - and presumably we can look forward to some news management - ie the likes of Major, Heseltine, Hague etc will all declare their support for her at various times to make the best possible impact.
It's a good line, and plays on worries many have even about May as a good choice, even if somewhat undercut by the knowledge that Jesus could be up for PM and the National would reach the same conclusion.
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
'That's a good article. Let me amend my position (I'm mostly watching the footy). We cannot be seen to be getting an a la carte Single Market. There will be a price.'
I would suggest £11 billion or part of buys a lot of a la carte.
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump! A Thatcher and Reagan love affair in in the making
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
Con home is not representative of the membership
Just heard Mark Wallace, Executive Editor of Con home, say on Sky newspaper review that he thought the members hearts want Leadsom but their heads will choose May
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
Con home is not representative of the membership
Just heard Mark Wallace, Executive Editor of Con home, say on Sky newspaper review that he thought the members hearts want Leadsom but their heads will choose May
Do the members at large really know enough about Leadsom that their hearts want her already? I can see them developing that, depending on how blandly May does in the next few months, but now? It's odd.
Apart from the express is there any other paper that will back Leadsom
Leave.eu are already shifting into high gear supporting her, the more papers that back May the stronger the "anti-establishment" line will get pushed. For a former banker.....wait, that worked recently...
Not sure that they will help her. She needs to distance herself from UKIP
Nah! Tory members like UKIP. Think Corbyn and Labour party. Members are the extremists.
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?
This is not Australia. This is not the United States.
Football teams are not singular.
How many chances HAVE Germany missed?
The one that has been annoying me today is 'coronate'. The verb is crown. Gah.
If rcs1000 had used "the German team" in his sentence then it would be appropriate to use "have", but he is using "Germany" in the sense of the team representing the singular nation.
Because when I go there, I find a country that has gone from poverty stricken fascist dictatorship when I was born, to modern bustling economy with some of the best companies in Europe.
Yes, I hang around with the 'elites'. Most 'elites' think they deserve to be there. In Spain, the people who run the companies still marvel at their good fortune. There's a humbleness lacking in (say) the French or the Italians (or even the Brits). Underneath it all is a fear that, if they're not careful, there'll be another Franco.
OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Easy. Ronaldo.
But the ideal outcome is that he follows in the footsteps of his namesake in the 1998 World Cup final in the same venue and then Portugal win it without him.
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
Con home is not representative of the membership
Just heard Mark Wallace, Executive Editor of Con home, say on Sky newspaper review that he thought the members hearts want Leadsom but their heads will choose May
Do the members at large really know enough about Leadsom that their hearts want her already? I can see them developing that, depending on how blandly May does in the next few months, but now? It's odd.
The significance is that he was talking of Conhome which is not representative of all members
OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
France.
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.
As an English Rugby fan, having had to endure years of abuse from the Ramshaggers, and where I can stick the sweet chariot, I'm not well disposed to the Welsh
OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
Easy. Ronaldo.
But the ideal outcome is that he follows in the footsteps of his namesake in the 1998 World Cup final in the same venue and then Portugal win it without him.
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?
It's an endorsement for May - the candidate the sane and electable wing of the Labour Party fear
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
France.
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.
As an English Rugby fan, having had to endure years of abuse from the Ramshaggers, and where I can stick the sweet chariot, I'm not well disposed to the Welsh
Yes, because the 90's were sooo much fun for Welsh rugby fans residing in England.....
OK. For all the haters out there on PB, who do you want to lose the most, France or Ronaldo?
France.
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
But they just beat our brethren, the Welsh, so I'm torn.
As an English Rugby fan, having had to endure years of abuse from the Ramshaggers, and where I can stick the sweet chariot, I'm not well disposed to the Welsh
I always support the Home Nations, though they do not always pay England the same courtesy admittedly.
I feel kind of sorry for him. He sounds so passionate as he talked about no splits and no retreat, but it does seem as though they have all backed down. Corbyn as won, but they can't leave either.
On Conservative Home, the comments after Leadsom's speech were 50/50. After May's speech, all against. The Swivel eyed will vote. IDS, at the time, unknown, beat Clarke. Is a surprise in the offing?
But Con Home's poll had May and Leadsom almost tied.
And the YouGov poll of Con members had May beating Leadsom 2:1.
Anything could happen and as a May supporter I'm extremely nervous - but have to think that having every newspaper on her side must help May at least to some degree.
Plus literally every well known name in the party will be supporting her - and presumably we can look forward to some news management - ie the likes of Major, Heseltine, Hague etc will all declare their support for her at various times to make the best possible impact.
So Leadsom has got a lot to battle against.
Leadsom has IDS and Howard and Norman Tebbit backing her ie two living former Tory leaders and Thatcher's right hand man, she is not entirely short of heavyweight support herself
@STJamesl: Asked about Andrea Leadsom's opposition to gay marriage Ruth Davidson says that if Leadsom wins she can come to hers #Classy
Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
@STJamesl: Asked about Andrea Leadsom's opposition to gay marriage Ruth Davidson says that if Leadsom wins she can come to hers #Classy
Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
@STJamesl: Asked about Andrea Leadsom's opposition to gay marriage Ruth Davidson says that if Leadsom wins she can come to hers #Classy
Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.
The irony is that it looks as though Leadsom's role in organising the project may be yet another "embellishment" on her part. According to Hansard (2013), she claimed that she'd set up the project in 2006 with Richard Johnson. But an article dated 2007 on her website relates how she and Andrew Mitchell visited Campion School and were told about the project by Johnson. Not a word about any prior involvement by Leadsom herself! http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/campion-school-helping-ugandan-children/59
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?
It's an endorsement for May - the candidate the sane and electable wing of the Labour Party fear
Yvette cooper is anything but sane, not an endorsement you'd want.
The irony is that it looks as though Leadsom's role in organising the project may be yet another "embellishment" on her part. According to Hansard (2013), she claimed that she'd set up the project in 2006 with Richard Johnson. But an article dated 2007 on her website relates how she and Andrew Mitchell visited Campion School and were told about the project by Johnson. Not a word about any prior involvement by Leadsom herself! http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/campion-school-helping-ugandan-children/59
When Sir Christopher Wren built St Paul's Cathedral, he worked from a design sketched by Andrea Leadsom on the packet of 20 Silk Cut.
@STJamesl: Asked about Andrea Leadsom's opposition to gay marriage Ruth Davidson says that if Leadsom wins she can come to hers #Classy
Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
I agree with that HYUFD*
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
@STJamesl: Asked about Andrea Leadsom's opposition to gay marriage Ruth Davidson says that if Leadsom wins she can come to hers #Classy
Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
My worry is that the same things, in essence, were said last time, and yes we won and it was 55-45 in the end, but the effectiveness would be blunted a second time. The fundamental problem was not enough people, in Scotland, England and I presume Wales, who genuinely have passion for our Union (NI seems more solid on that regard, while also having a large nationalist element), and so even with those warnings 45% wanting out was a worrying amount to me, and with the differences between us seemingly made even starker, with Union leaning papers and Scottish Labour people talking seriously about the prospect of Sindy2, I fear enough will switch to decide to take the risk.
But I am pessimistic in that regard, and I felt Scotland leaving was inevitable in the not too distant future regardless, hence why I was willing to risk Brexit - if I thought voting Remain would guarantee Scotland stay in the UK, I would have voted Remain despite my misgivings of the EU. I am deeply troubled by the thought of them leaving, but the nationalists defeated me mentally some while ago.
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
My worry is that the same things, in essence, were said last time, and yes we won and it was 55-45 in the end, but the effectiveness would be blunted a second time. The fundamental problem was not enough people, in Scotland, England and I presume Wales, who genuinely have passion for our Union (NI seems more solid on that regard, while also having a large nationalist element), and so even with those warnings 45% wanting out was a worrying amount to me, and with the differences between us seemingly made even starker, with Union leaning papers and Scottish Labour people talking seriously about the prospect of Sindy2, I fear enough will switch to decide to take the risk.
But I am pessimistic in that regard, and I felt Scotland leaving was inevitable in the not too distant future regardless, hence why I was willing to risk Brexit - if I thought voting Remain would guarantee Scotland stay in the UK, I would have voted Remain despite my misgivings of the EU. I am deeply troubled by the thought of them leaving, but the nationalists defeated me mentally some while ago.
The Welsh absolutely have no intention of holding a referendum on independence. It would be lost by 90 - 10%. There is no appetite for it at all
In Scotland the fishermen will be delighted to be out of Europe and 40% of Scots voted leave.
On the assumption we are successful when we have our freedom the narrative in Scotland may well change. Remember I am married to a Scot, lived there for many years, and have many Scot relatives in the North East Fishing communities and well remember the time when the conservatives were a force to be reckoned with
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
I agree with that HYUFD*
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire'
That's an embellishment worthy of Leadsom.
Well he did proclaim we had 'got our freedom back' the day after the referendum but yes maybe a little exaggeration, I don't think even Trump will be aiming nukes at Brussels just yet (maybe give it a year or two)
Interesting that even in this Brighton QT audience there is increasingly more annoyance at the Government for failing to plan for Brexit....
Yeah, but that's just displacement activity to cover up their buyers' remorse. This is Psychology for Dummies.
All those active Leavers in Brighton?
'Balanced audience', innit?
As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
How ironic that Gove, the Brexit expert, was defeated by the vacuous Leadsom. Definitely had enough of experts.
Just think, by next January there is now a real chance the free world could be led by Andrea Leadsom and Donald Trump!
Wow, the free world has really been pared down, hasn't it? Only two of us?
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Trump has already effectively made clear he sees the EU as the next 'evil empire' and is ready to take on China too. Only need to convince a few more Tory members and swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania and it could well happen, Trump is actually closer to Hillary than Leadsom to May on the latest polls but the debates still to come for both and the GOP convention
Hillary is at the high watermark of crap, thanks to the (boring) email (non)scandal.
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
I think Hillary will win in the end yes but have a feeling it will be a long election night and go to the wire
I agree with that HYUFD*
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
It stands for whatever you want it to stand for!
I always guessed your real name was Horatio Yossarian Ulysses Florian Delauncet.
As I said earlier today - the huge recession that is about to engulf us will be blamed on the Tory government and not on those who voted or argued for Leave.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
Yes, I agree on both counts. Not good for Ms Leadsom, though. By the time party members get to vote, the real-economy effects which the financial markets are currently pre-figuring will be starting to be obvious.
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And the YouGov poll of Con members had May beating Leadsom 2:1.
Anything could happen and as a May supporter I'm extremely nervous - but have to think that having every newspaper on her side must help May at least to some degree.
Plus literally every well known name in the party will be supporting her - and presumably we can look forward to some news management - ie the likes of Major, Heseltine, Hague etc will all declare their support for her at various times to make the best possible impact.
So Leadsom has got a lot to battle against.
'That's a good article. Let me amend my position (I'm mostly watching the footy). We cannot be seen to be getting an a la carte Single Market. There will be a price.'
I would suggest £11 billion or part of buys a lot of a la carte.
France winning would be good for football.
Yes, I know what you meant. Leadsom presumably has a better chance than Trump though.
Classic
Portugal are our oldest allies.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
@YvetteCooperMP: Glad Gove &Boris out. Leadsom awful on equal marriage & mat pay. May the only grown up, so Labour must take her on https://t.co/gtBaozTrJb
I can't work out if this helps May or not. The only one Labour see as a threat?
But the ideal outcome is that he follows in the footsteps of his namesake in the 1998 World Cup final in the same venue and then Portugal win it without him.
Vive la France.
Allez les Bleus.
Higher chance of that than being FM I suppose. Sadly.
The voice of reason.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/andrea-leadsoms-ugandan-project-has-ties-to-an-anti-gay-chri
The irony is that it looks as though Leadsom's role in organising the project may be yet another "embellishment" on her part. According to Hansard (2013), she claimed that she'd set up the project in 2006 with Richard Johnson. But an article dated 2007 on her website relates how she and Andrew Mitchell visited Campion School and were told about the project by Johnson. Not a word about any prior involvement by Leadsom herself!
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/campion-school-helping-ugandan-children/59
She'll be thankful it all came out in the wash so early, and she still holds a lead in the polls.....
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
*what does that stand for by the way? Always wondered...
On the main gig, I'm certainly not laying off my May position at the current 1.29-1.31. I reckon fair odds should be something like 1.05.
But I am pessimistic in that regard, and I felt Scotland leaving was inevitable in the not too distant future regardless, hence why I was willing to risk Brexit - if I thought voting Remain would guarantee Scotland stay in the UK, I would have voted Remain despite my misgivings of the EU. I am deeply troubled by the thought of them leaving, but the nationalists defeated me mentally some while ago.
Edit: And then he blew it with something about BoJo.
Ruth is a class act.
She will be our third female conservative pm
Not likely - if we'd Remained, perhaps, after awhile as she (potentially) took the Scottish Tories to further successes (yes, Nats, coming a distant second was still a success considering where they had been). But with Leave and probable SIndependence? She'll be needed north of the border in a newly independent state.
I see her standing over a beaten Nicola as she accepts the spoils for keeping Scotland in the UK
Well, it's nice to have dreams I guess. I would love to think you are right.
There is a real possibility if Sturgeon called a referendum that the economic outlook and the isolation from Scotland's biggest market of England, and with uncertainty over the currency, she would lose.
As the economic think tank said this week Scotland would be like 'Greece without the sun' if it declared independence
My worry is that the same things, in essence, were said last time, and yes we won and it was 55-45 in the end, but the effectiveness would be blunted a second time. The fundamental problem was not enough people, in Scotland, England and I presume Wales, who genuinely have passion for our Union (NI seems more solid on that regard, while also having a large nationalist element), and so even with those warnings 45% wanting out was a worrying amount to me, and with the differences between us seemingly made even starker, with Union leaning papers and Scottish Labour people talking seriously about the prospect of Sindy2, I fear enough will switch to decide to take the risk.
But I am pessimistic in that regard, and I felt Scotland leaving was inevitable in the not too distant future regardless, hence why I was willing to risk Brexit - if I thought voting Remain would guarantee Scotland stay in the UK, I would have voted Remain despite my misgivings of the EU. I am deeply troubled by the thought of them leaving, but the nationalists defeated me mentally some while ago.
The Welsh absolutely have no intention of holding a referendum on independence. It would be lost by 90 - 10%. There is no appetite for it at all
In Scotland the fishermen will be delighted to be out of Europe and 40% of Scots voted leave.
On the assumption we are successful when we have our freedom the narrative in Scotland may well change. Remember I am married to a Scot, lived there for many years, and have many Scot relatives in the North East Fishing communities and well remember the time when the conservatives were a force to be reckoned with
Over 120 members at our meeting tonight, with a wide-ranging debate and a vote of confidence in Jeremy Corbyn.
This is Broxtowe, Nick P's old haunt, a seat only won from years of Tory rule by New Labour.
What a chance the Labour party is busy throwing away.
(With quite a good joke, too!)
At PMQs, it would be Tezza v Jezza
This must happen...
https://t.co/YZ19Mbghlx