The support of the likes of Davis, Fox and Patel should certainly help May if she is up against Leadsom with the members.
Unless they judge (perhaps accurately) that those people are only backing May because they want to be in the future PM's good books when she's putting together her Cabinet, rather than out of principle.
The sad fact is that brown-nosing works, even when it is obvious.
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
May is probably the best PM for the interests of the country, but she would also I fear be hugely good for the Tories' electoral fortunes.
Not so sure about the last bit. If she is too much in the pocket of the City and hangs the working class out to dry over freedom of movement there is going to be hell to pay and the Steve Woolfe Sensible Kippers are going to be pulling in the working class and leaver Tory votes with a large net.
She and her supporters scare me. Let's hope her dreams die today.
Wonder what your thoughts would be if Thatcher was running for todays leadership, would thatcher be going through the same smears has leadsom ?
For me , I just want it ended today,can't stand two more months of this.
I suspect the people tearing into Leadsom today for voting against gay marriage would have been against Maggie in '75 for being in favour of hanging.
TSE would been for Willie rather than a Maggie!
Spot on GIn.
Don't forget milk snatcher would have hit her hard ;-)
Classic Thatcher. My Mum still refers to her as Thatcher the Snatcher.
Us kids were all incredibly grateful - our full-fat school milk was left to warm on the central heating pipes and was utterly disgusting.
Amen. No one who had to drink the stuff mourned its passing. Of course in winter it could be completely frozen.....
Plus one
But the fact that it was in 1/3 pint bottles triggers my grievance of why they won't bottle wine, and in particular champagne, in pints. A bottle for one is greedy, but a half bottle is a toy amount. Pol Roger did pints for Churchill, I believe.
Well, if Gove is to win he needs to pick up 20-or-so net MPs against Leadsom. Where are they going to come from? Crabb's support will largely go straight to May, and although Fox backed May, some of his support might split for Leadsom or Gove. Even if all of Fox's supporters (unlikley) back Gove, that still won't be enough.
So he needs either May to secretly get her people to vote tactically having publicly said she wouldn't, or for Andrea Leadsom's value proposition to suddenly collapse against Gove. If anything, the news that Gove has again been on manouvres makes the opposite likely.
Gove is tonight's dockside hooker.
Welcome back Mr Grabcocque. You are assuming that there was no tactical voting in the first round.
Possibly I have. Let's workshop this. Which candidate would have felt confident enough going in the first round to do this. Only May and Gove, I think. May has explcitly denied she's done this, and if Gove's people had been tactically signal boosting Leadsom, why the panicked manoeuvres to try to stop her now?
May has indeed denied it, but MPs could easily have acted on their own accord. If Leadsom is to be eliminated, better she does that with her vote falling. It will look like MPs have taken fright at the CV stuff. Or the Select Committee questioning. Or the crazy march. Or the bizarre medical theories. Or the support from Arron Banks. Edit: Or the Who's Who entry.
Yes if her support barely increases or goes down then she will have nothing to moan about.
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
She and her supporters scare me. Let's hope her dreams die today.
Wonder what your thoughts would be if Thatcher was running for todays leadership, would thatcher be going through the same smears has leadsom ?
For me , I just want it ended today,can't stand two more months of this.
I suspect the people tearing into Leadsom today for voting against gay marriage would have been against Maggie in '75 for being in favour of hanging.
TSE would been for Willie rather than a Maggie!
Spot on GIn.
Don't forget milk snatcher would have hit her hard ;-)
Classic Thatcher. My Mum still refers to her as Thatcher the Snatcher.
Us kids were all incredibly grateful - our full-fat school milk was left to warm on the central heating pipes and was utterly disgusting.
Amen. No one who had to drink the stuff mourned its passing. Of course in winter it could be completely frozen.....
Plus one
But the fact that it was in 1/3 pint bottles triggers my grievance of why they won't bottle wine, and in particular champagne, in pints. A bottle for one is greedy, but a half bottle is a toy amount. Pol Roger did pints for Churchill, I believe.
A friend of mine used to do this t Uni. She would order two glasses of wine and a pint glass. Classy lady.
Well, if Gove is to win he needs to pick up 20-or-so net MPs against Leadsom. Where are they going to come from? Crabb's support will largely go straight to May, and although Fox backed May, some of his support might split for Leadsom or Gove. Even if all of Fox's supporters (unlikley) back Gove, that still won't be enough.
So he needs either May to secretly get her people to vote tactically having publicly said she wouldn't, or for Andrea Leadsom's value proposition to suddenly collapse against Gove. If anything, the news that Gove has again been on manouvres makes the opposite likely.
Gove is tonight's dockside hooker.
Welcome back Mr Grabcocque. You are assuming that there was no tactical voting in the first round.
Possibly I have. Let's workshop this. Which candidate would have felt confident enough going in the first round to do this. Only May and Gove, I think. May has explcitly denied she's done this, and if Gove's people had been tactically signal boosting Leadsom, why the panicked manoeuvres to try to stop her now?
May has indeed denied it, but MPs could easily have acted on their own accord. If Leadsom is to be eliminated, better she does that with her vote falling. It will look like MPs have taken fright at the CV stuff. Or the Select Committee questioning. Or the crazy march. Or the bizarre medical theories. Or the support from Arron Banks. Edit: Or the Who's Who entry.
Yes if her support barely increases or goes down then she will have nothing to moan about.
Were I a Tory MP who voted May in the first round, I probably would be voting Gove this time around (even if I didn't like him)..
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
As a matter of interest, what are your qualifications to understand those roles?
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
What happens if she doesn't. Crick sends her to the tower?
Really, if you were a Tory MP who wanted to stop Theresa May from becoming leader, would you want to take the risk of putting Andrea Leadsom into the membership ballot, with the prospect of investigative journalists continuing to dissect these bizarre lies over the next few weeks?
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
That's not going to happen. I believe the policy is "no comment" and unofficially it is "ask the people she worked with".
The PLP and the PCP are rotten from stem to stern. Brexit has brought that reality to light for all to see.
I'm not sure they are rotten just don't have any quality or depth beyond the superficial. Hardly surprising when you think how much easier it is to earn the same (or a lot more) elsewhere...
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
The PLP and the PCP are rotten from stem to stern. Brexit has brought that reality to light for all to see.
I'm not sure they are rotten just don't have any quality or depth beyond the superficial. Hardly surprising when you think how much easier it is to earn the same (or a lot more) elsewhere...
"Being an MP is a vast subsidized ego-trip. It's a job that needs no qualifications, it has no compulsory hours of work, no performance standards, and provides a warm room, a telephone and subsidized meals to a bunch of self-important windbags and busybodies who suddenly find people taking them seriously because they've got the letters 'MP' after their name."
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
Crick always reminds me of a weed sucking up to the bullies by taunting their victim. A contemptible little man.
She and her supporters scare me. Let's hope her dreams die today.
Wonder what your thoughts would be if Thatcher was running for todays leadership, would thatcher be going through the same smears has leadsom ?
For me , I just want it ended today,can't stand two more months of this.
I suspect the people tearing into Leadsom today for voting against gay marriage would have been against Maggie in '75 for being in favour of hanging.
TSE would been for Willie rather than a Maggie!
Spot on GIn.
Don't forget milk snatcher would have hit her hard ;-)
Classic Thatcher. My Mum still refers to her as Thatcher the Snatcher.
Us kids were all incredibly grateful - our full-fat school milk was left to warm on the central heating pipes and was utterly disgusting.
Amen. No one who had to drink the stuff mourned its passing. Of course in winter it could be completely frozen.....
Plus one
But the fact that it was in 1/3 pint bottles triggers my grievance of why they won't bottle wine, and in particular champagne, in pints. A bottle for one is greedy, but a half bottle is a toy amount. Pol Roger did pints for Churchill, I believe.
Get yourself over to Lyon then, where it's traditional to sell wine in what are effectively pint bottles (the locals call one "un pot").
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
Well quite. I don't have a dog in this Tory fight but with only 40 minutes left until the MPs ballot closes and most no doubt already having voted I can't quite see what this continued nit picking about Leadsom's CV is actually achieving. If her city experience was in dealing with people rather than figures that actually might be a positive in the negotiations to come. Obama is a fine intellectual but a crap negotiator - sounds like Gove to me. And May well people skills don't seem to be her strength.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
They had the "wrong sort of vote" for most of the media, who were frantically trying to show them football to get them to stay at home
Scheduling the election during Euro2016 was so obvious. Remain screwed up in so many ways. They thought they'd be way ahead and could rely on football to crowd out any late Leave coverage too.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
They had the "wrong sort of vote" for most of the media, who were frantically trying to show them football to get them to stay at home
Scheduling the election during Euro2016 was so obvious. Remain screwed up in so many ways. They thought they'd be way ahead and could rely on football to crowd out any late Leave coverage too.
Scheduling the vote when tonnes of national flags are up in provincial England wasn't the smartest idea in hindsight.
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
I worked in several City Banks (including the Cuban Government one :-), and the place was always infested with junior people with senior job titles.
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
I suppose she can hardly admit to hearing voices in her head.
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
I worked in several City Banks (including the Cuban Government one :-), and the place was always infested with junior people with senior job titles.
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
I worked in several City Banks (including the Cuban Government one :-), and the place was always infested with junior people with senior job titles.
Just like Admirals in the Navy.
Like a salesman is an Account Manager.
I had a job once where I was "manager" of a team of 1 (including me).
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
I worked in several City Banks (including the Cuban Government one :-), and the place was always infested with junior people with senior job titles.
Just like Admirals in the Navy.
American corportations, especially financial, are reportedly quite famous for having more 'VP's' of things than things.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
They had the "wrong sort of vote" for most of the media, who were frantically trying to show them football to get them to stay at home
Scheduling the election during Euro2016 was so obvious. Remain screwed up in so many ways. They thought they'd be way ahead and could rely on football to crowd out any late Leave coverage too.
Scheduling the vote when tonnes of national flags are up in provincial England wasn't the smartest idea in hindsight.
The Mars bar TV adverts/packaging saying Believe was a corker. I instantly saw those charging knights on horseback, trooping the colour et al extras as synonymous with Brexit.
I've just seen it again and it's still as strong. I barely noticed it was about confectionery.
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
They have no such duty. Journalist self-importance.
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
They have no such duty. Journalist self-importance.
Yeah, I think people are forgetting about the right to privacy.
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
I worked in several City Banks (including the Cuban Government one :-), and the place was always infested with junior people with senior job titles.
Just like Admirals in the Navy.
Like a salesman is an Account Manager.
if you are a fancy salesman you might call yourself a Brand Evangelist
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
They have no such duty. Journalist self-importance.
Yeah, I think people are forgetting about the right to privacy.
It's not just that but a duty of confidentiality. Given the feted Barings loan, I wouldn't be surprised to find a settlement agreement lurking somewhere...
Yes, one of her supporters got it wrong. Thats not her doing anything wrong.
No, it's not just one of her supporters. Leadsom herself has been quoted as telling the BBC that she had run "enormous teams".
It would be easier to believe that she was just a hapless victim of other people's mistakes if she wasn't still contradicting what she'd said in the past - and even contradicting the new version of her CV that's just been released.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
I too am really pleased that all these first-time voters took the plunge. I hope they will carry on doing so. Whatever the result, at least their voice will be heard.
A lot f people make fun of Priti Patel, but thy forget how socially conservative many ethnic minority Britons are despite most voting Remain or Labour-and I'm not even talking about Muslims.
pb.com is a bubble like the London media, just a different type of bubble.
If you are going to vote Brexit to get one over on The Man, there is no worldly reason why you shouldn't vote Leadsome into power.
You are on a roll. Stick it up your Juncker - tick; breath of fresh air after those fusty, serious politicians who have caused you untold misery and pain? Where do I sign.
Yes, one of her supporters got it wrong. Thats not her doing anything wrong.
No, it's not just one of her supporters. Leadsom herself has been quoted as telling the BBC that she had run "enormous teams".
It would be easier to believe that she was just a hapless victim of other people's mistakes if she wasn't still contradicting what she'd said in the past - and even contradicting the new version of her CV that's just been released.
She has run enormous teams.
I've yet to see one of these supposed contradictions actually substantiated. Do you care to do it? This is a hack hit job if ever I saw one.
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
They have no such duty. Journalist self-importance.
Yeah, I think people are forgetting about the right to privacy.
It's not just that but a duty of confidentiality. Given the feted Barings loan, I wouldn't be surprised to find a settlement agreement lurking somewhere...
This is something I've wondered about. I'm relatively new to finance having come in from a different industry. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding why the director of financial institutions would have final say on a credit issue, wouldn't the credit and risk management teams be overseeing interbank loans, especially to banks which are suspected to be insolvent. Did there used to be a lot less oversight in those days?
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
That's a very good answer.
It's not an answer at all. In the US they would have answered it straight.
It's if Gove and Leadsom R1s go to May that things get juicy
One does wonder if May gets over 250 MPs whether the other two will just drop out. They'd have no support within the house. Gove probably would but I think Leadsom is deluded enough like Corbyn to fight on and connect with the public and build a movement or whatever that rubbish is these days.
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
That's a very good answer.
It's not an answer at all. In the US they would have answered it straight.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
I too am really pleased that all these first-time voters took the plunge. I hope they will carry on doing so. Whatever the result, at least their voice will be heard.
(Good afternoon, everyone)
Under FPTP it won't. Those 1st time voters will soon realised their votes are wasted so will not bother.
Reuters spoke to five former Invesco colleagues, including four in senior management positions, who said Leadsom did not have a prominent role or manage client money.
A spokesman for Leadsom did not respond to Reuters' request for comment.
Responding to a report in a British newspaper on Tuesday that she had exaggerated her role at Invesco, the spokesman for Leadsom said in a press release that the assertions were "uncorroborated".
It's if Gove and Leadsom R1s go to May that things get juicy
One does wonder if May gets over 250 MPs whether the other two will just drop out. They'd have no support within the house. Gove probably would but I think Leadsom is deluded enough like Corbyn to fight on and connect with the public and build a movement or whatever that rubbish is these days.
A movement is so much more exciting than boring old politics. Why wouldn't you want to be a part of one? Politics is quite divorced from peoples' lives as it is, a movement (cf Momentum) is of course a way of feeling like you belong and are less disenfranchised.
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
I suppose she can hardly admit to hearing voices in her head.
Joan of Arc wouldn't have got anywhere if Twitter had been around then.
Scully (and any other Fox Round 1 voters) going for May reduces the potential number of tacticals required - as Fox supporters could well have switched to Leadsom.
That's what Liam Fox himself is doing. So he's taking his lead from his former pick.
Yeah but Paul Scully seemed a perfect fit for Angela Leadsom, leaver and all that jazz
Crabb endorsing May was both as a colleague & based on (some) shared views. Fox endorsed May personally, not on politics. It is interesting that nevertheless at least one of his supporters has followed it.
That's what Liam Fox himself is doing. So he's taking his lead from his former pick.
Yeah but Paul Scully seemed a perfect fit for Angela Leadsom, leaver and all that jazz
I'm actually beginning to wonder whether this is going to to turn into a rout. MPs are not so cosseted that they won't have seen all the negative articles about her history and all the support she has from the likes of Banks. Maybe a few die hards will turn out for her but I'm not so sure that she'll get the original 66 she had on Tuesday.
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
That's a very good answer.
It's not an answer at all. In the US they would have answered it straight.
Yes, well, we're not the US.
Quite frankly it was a ridiculous question to ask in the first place.
@PickardJE: Gary Gibbon asked Leadsom today if God had directly spoken to her. “That question is not one that is for open laughing at and poking fun at"
That's a very good answer.
It's not an answer at all. In the US they would have answered it straight.
She is not in America, her audience is not American, & the UK does not do God like USA.
Funny how the sort of people who went on endlessly about Brown being unelected now want to do away with democracy. The process calls for a membership vote, so there should be a membership vote, even if only to give Theresa May a democratic mandate.
Barclays: Her published CV says she was a "deputy financial institutions director", whereas her website said she was "financial institutions director". Asked about the discrepancy she told the BBC that she was deputy head of the financial institutions group and the financial institutions director in charge of Barclays' relations with banks around the world
Funny how the sort of people who went on endlessly about Brown being unelected now want to do away with democracy. The process calls for a membership vote, so there should be a membership vote, even if only to give Theresa May a democratic mandate.
I'm hoping for an Anschluss-style ballot paper with a huge box for May and a small one for Leadsom.
Scully (and any other Fox Round 1 voters) going for May reduces the potential number of tacticals required - as Fox supporters could well have switched to Leadsom.
It may be forlorn but I hope each MP has voted for the candidate they believe would be the best PM for the UK. Tactical voting has no place in a vote as important as this. We will see very shortly
It's if Gove and Leadsom R1s go to May that things get juicy
One does wonder if May gets over 250 MPs whether the other two will just drop out. They'd have no support within the house. Gove probably would but I think Leadsom is deluded enough like Corbyn to fight on and connect with the public and build a movement or whatever that rubbish is these days.
A movement is so much more exciting than boring old politics. Why wouldn't you want to be a part of one? Politics is quite divorced from peoples' lives as it is, a movement (cf Momentum) is of course a way of feeling like you belong and are less disenfranchised.
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
She was deputy head of the financial institutions group but financial institutions director in charge of bank relations. This is a whole load of hogwash over nothing, reported by journalists who don't understand these roles.
I worked in several City Banks (including the Cuban Government one :-), and the place was always infested with junior people with senior job titles.
Just like Admirals in the Navy.
Like a salesman is an Account Manager.
In fairness that's a different role. Salesperson : Hunter. Account Manager: Skinner . Done both in my time, Overlapping skill sets, but different psychology.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
They had the "wrong sort of vote" for most of the media, who were frantically trying to show them football to get them to stay at home
Scheduling the election during Euro2016 was so obvious. Remain screwed up in so many ways. They thought they'd be way ahead and could rely on football to crowd out any late Leave coverage too.
Scheduling the vote when tonnes of national flags are up in provincial England wasn't the smartest idea in hindsight.
The Mars bar TV adverts/packaging saying Believe was a corker. I instantly saw those charging knights on horseback, trooping the colour et al extras as synonymous with Brexit.
I've just seen it again and it's still as strong. I barely noticed it was about confectionery.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
They had the "wrong sort of vote" for most of the media, who were frantically trying to show them football to get them to stay at home
Scheduling the election during Euro2016 was so obvious. Remain screwed up in so many ways. They thought they'd be way ahead and could rely on football to crowd out any late Leave coverage too.
Scheduling the vote when tonnes of national flags are up in provincial England wasn't the smartest idea in hindsight.
The Mars bar TV adverts/packaging saying Believe was a corker. I instantly saw those charging knights on horseback, trooping the colour et al extras as synonymous with Brexit.
I've just seen it again and it's still as strong. I barely noticed it was about confectionery.
Barclays: Her published CV says she was a "deputy financial institutions director", whereas her website said she was "financial institutions director". Asked about the discrepancy she told the BBC that she was deputy head of the financial institutions group and the financial institutions director in charge of Barclays' relations with banks around the world
There's your valiant warrior in the fight against the metropolitan elite, right there.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
I too am really pleased that all these first-time voters took the plunge. I hope they will carry on doing so. Whatever the result, at least their voice will be heard.
(Good afternoon, everyone)
Under FPTP it won't. Those 1st time voters will soon realised their votes are wasted so will not bother.
They know they votes are wasted, which is why they never bothered to vote until the Referendum. The question we now have is will they vote next time now they've seen if they vote in numbers their non-Labour representative could win...
Mr. D, in terms of asking people for their opinion (although not a democratic matter) my favourite is perhaps the Romans negotiating with a latter day Macedonian monarch (probably one of those called Perseus).
They met at a beach and the Roman negotiator got a stick, drew a circle around the king and said if he stepped out of the circle without agreeing to all the Roman terms he'd be crushed.
Wonder if Ken Clarke went for Andrea to keep Michael "3 wars at once" off the ballot ?
I'd put money on it. It was interesting that he seemed relaxed about Leadsom's real views on Europe.
If I were on that wing of the PCP I'd be more worried about the risk that Gove might sneak through than about Leadsom.
The Tories would also pay an electoral price if they're seen to be conspiring to keep Leadsom off the ballot as she clearly has the support of the grassroots Leave campaigners.
Mr. D, in terms of asking people for their opinion (although not a democratic matter) my favourite is perhaps the Romans negotiating with a latter day Macedonian monarch (probably one of those called Perseus).
They met at a beach and the Roman negotiator got a stick, drew a circle around the king and said if he stepped out of the circle without agreeing to all the Roman terms he'd be crushed.
I first came to Political Betting because I assumed that the betting markets would have access to information that was not in the public domain such as private polling and the clever money would give you a better idea than those wittering on the TV.
It was an interesting theory but Mikes charts here show it is complete crap. Most of the people betting most of the money on political betting don't have a scubby even when the result is staring them in the face. It was nearly 3 hours between Sunderland and the markets working out who had won. Many on here including me called it immediately. In those 3 hours we even had the switch where remain suddenly became favourite again, on the back of one of the London boroughs IIRC. Quite bizarre.
Wonder if Ken Clarke went for Andrea to keep Michael "3 wars at once" off the ballot ?
I'd put money on it. It was interesting that he seemed relaxed about Leadsom's real views on Europe.
If I were on that wing of the PCP I'd be more worried about the risk that Gove might sneak through than about Leadsom.
The Tories would also pay an electoral price if they're seen to be conspiring to keep Leadsom off the ballot as she clearly has the support of the grassroots Leave campaigners.
because of course the "grassroots leave campaigners" have been such an asset to the Tories over so many years...
@MichaelLCrick: Leadsom's current entry in Who's Who also has her as "Financial Instns Dir, Barclays Bank", without the deputy https://t.co/0nfd1527rg
journalists who don't understand these roles.
And MP supporters who claim she managed billions of pounds and hundreds of people.....
Yes, one of her supporters got it wrong. Thats not her doing anything wrong.
She corrected that erroneous statement, of course?
The line on Leadsom has changed a great deal. A week or so she was a reckless financial maverick who bunged billions to Barings just before they crashed on the basis that they gave her a nice lunch. Now we find she can't have done that because she was only responsible for typing up memos and pouring the tea.
Personally neither of these affects my opinion of her in the slightest, because the screamers have forgiven anf forgotten cock ups of far greater magnitude in those they support, including St Theresa.
@MichaelLCrick: Only Barclays Bank can clear up Leadsom CV row. They have duty to public - Leadsom's would-be employers - to clarify what she did for them
They have no such duty. Journalist self-importance.
Barclays Chairman at the time has already confirmed Leadsom's role.
Look what you've done. Look what a mess you've made. Now away you go and think very carefully before voting again.
TBH, I can't quite decide what's made me happier - getting Brexit, or seeing 2.8m vote for the first time/or since the 80s.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
They had the "wrong sort of vote" for most of the media, who were frantically trying to show them football to get them to stay at home
Scheduling the election during Euro2016 was so obvious. Remain screwed up in so many ways. They thought they'd be way ahead and could rely on football to crowd out any late Leave coverage too.
Scheduling the vote when tonnes of national flags are up in provincial England wasn't the smartest idea in hindsight.
The Mars bar TV adverts/packaging saying Believe was a corker. I instantly saw those charging knights on horseback, trooping the colour et al extras as synonymous with Brexit.
I've just seen it again and it's still as strong. I barely noticed it was about confectionery.
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Andrea Leadsom said that she will trigger Article 50 as soon as she becomes PM if she wins the vote
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/04/andrea-leadsom-launches-her-conservative-leadership-campaign/
But the fact that it was in 1/3 pint bottles triggers my grievance of why they won't bottle wine, and in particular champagne, in pints. A bottle for one is greedy, but a half bottle is a toy amount. Pol Roger did pints for Churchill, I believe.
The tory faithful will make up their own minds.
Which terrifies you.
It's such a massive vote for democracy. These voters weren't feted by the media at all - the young were endlessly and still didn't bother much.
Now they've started voting lets hope they keep doing so.....
Just like Admirals in the Navy.
twitter.com/Channel4News/status/751045998009393152
I've just seen it again and it's still as strong. I barely noticed it was about confectionery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC5bfQgSY9Y
Will we see a similar graph for Leadsom/Gove?
It would be easier to believe that she was just a hapless victim of other people's mistakes if she wasn't still contradicting what she'd said in the past - and even contradicting the new version of her CV that's just been released.
*Yes I know there's an assumption of truthfulness but a true believer wouldn't lie, would they?
(Good afternoon, everyone)
pb.com is a bubble like the London media, just a different type of bubble.
You are on a roll. Stick it up your Juncker - tick; breath of fresh air after those fusty, serious politicians who have caused you untold misery and pain? Where do I sign.
I've yet to see one of these supposed contradictions actually substantiated. Do you care to do it? This is a hack hit job if ever I saw one.
In the US they would have answered it straight.
Those 1st time voters will soon realised their votes are wasted so will not bother.
A spokesman for Leadsom did not respond to Reuters' request for comment.
Responding to a report in a British newspaper on Tuesday that she had exaggerated her role at Invesco, the spokesman for Leadsom said in a press release that the assertions were "uncorroborated".
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-leadsom-scrutiny-idUKKCN0ZN0Y8
Probably last voted around 1975...
Barclays: Her published CV says she was a "deputy financial institutions director", whereas her website said she was "financial institutions director". Asked about the discrepancy she told the BBC that she was deputy head of the financial institutions group and the financial institutions director in charge of Barclays' relations with banks around the world
Another black person shot dead by American police:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36732908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E
NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
They met at a beach and the Roman negotiator got a stick, drew a circle around the king and said if he stepped out of the circle without agreeing to all the Roman terms he'd be crushed.
The negotiation was not a prolonged process.
If I were on that wing of the PCP I'd be more worried about the risk that Gove might sneak through than about Leadsom.
The Tories would also pay an electoral price if they're seen to be conspiring to keep Leadsom off the ballot as she clearly has the support of the grassroots Leave campaigners.
It was an interesting theory but Mikes charts here show it is complete crap. Most of the people betting most of the money on political betting don't have a scubby even when the result is staring them in the face. It was nearly 3 hours between Sunderland and the markets working out who had won. Many on here including me called it immediately. In those 3 hours we even had the switch where remain suddenly became favourite again, on the back of one of the London boroughs IIRC. Quite bizarre.
Personally neither of these affects my opinion of her in the slightest, because the screamers have forgiven anf forgotten cock ups of far greater magnitude in those they support, including St Theresa.
Our "ad" dates from April:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/719927141564051456
http://www.newsweek.com/brexit-view-turkey-britain-membership-free-trade-478332?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTnpWaU5HUXdNbVkzTXpCaCIsInQiOiJGb0FXc1NaZ3FpdEp6MHc4cVNoRjNYMmY5QXJudERCQjFmUUN4NERKcURqZVdjb3RWQ21BQ3VEcno5VUxQSXFiU25paVN2NzRpb1pESUU2YU0xVVpLem1qRXpvNnlPWUN0dUY1NWVJQWNxND0ifQ==