So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making t?
Considering most Brits abroad are idle oldies who are tight arses, and have a range of chronic conditions- shut the gates. Give me the Romanian car washer any day, any time, any place.
Leadsom has got it right on this one.
Nabavi- as much as I don't do personal comments here, you never fail to be extremely pompous.
Proof, if indeed proof is necessary that May has got this one right
Actually I am rooting for May. She is being too clever by half on this one I'm afraid.
Considering the Tory leadership contest is about my PM (apart from Renzi- a very good chap here)- my choice would be Theresa hands down. She might lack some charisma, but I have always rated her extremely highly.
And this shows that she has a bit of backbone when it comes to negotiating.
Paris and Frankfurt will be delighted that City workers from the EU are having their status put in question by the presumptive UK PM.
54
Fifty fking four
that's the number of asylum seekers all German DAX companies have employed since the crisis
dont give me crap about the great employment opportunities in the EU they dont exist
more likely UK companies will employ more German asylum seekers by the end of the year.
I understood that asylum seekers in Germany are not allowed to seek employment until their application has been accepted, which takes on average a year.
How the stats work out in the end is a bit early to say.
The Franfurter Allgemeine is saying DAX companies have little interest in employing asylum seekers. Of the 54 employed 50 got jobs with Deutsche Post. The German Labour Ministry is reporting 300k asylum seekers are looking for jobs.
I am not disputing the figures, but there are plenty of barriers to employment for asylum seekers, including dispersal and legal bars to employment before their status is settled.
Afriend of mine (Iraqi) has a brother in Germany who has been there eight years as an asylum seeker, but not yet permitted to work.
which suggests that the barriers havent come down because Germany isnt as desperate for workers as people were claiming last year.
The abomination that is the Garden Bridge in London has cost £37.7 million already before any construction has started.
To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge cost £18.2 million in total, although that was sixteen years ago.
Those involved, from Joanna Lumley down, should be ashamed of themselves.
Also off topic, have a look at this abomination that has just been dumped on Bedford. It is a foot bridge at a new development on the river. As this article shows it is nothing like the bridge proposed in the planning drawing. It's hideous. Profit over aesthetics rules OK, even if it involves lying.
Some of this stuff from the 22 sounds like May backers just trying to trash A Leadsome tbh.
That's no doubt true, but the same is equally true in reverse of the synthetic fuss about residency rights.
Agreed, but Leadsom was unable to answer questions about Banks and UKIP, May and Hammond's position on residency rights makes sense until the EU and UK come to a separate agreement on that even before Article 50 is served.
If they let Leadsom into the Final she has a very good chance - and the Con party will have done the mirror image of what Lab has done with Corbyn.
May has lots of spare MPs - especially when Crabb goes out. I would say 30 MPs who support May need to vote Gove - that should be enough to put Gove into the Final which would almost guarantee a May win.
And even if it didn't, Gove is more electable than Leadsom.
Just checked conhome and their survey was a snap survey conducted today and which had closed by 5.30pm unlike most conhome surveys which last several days. It was probably filled therefore by the retired cyberkippers who populate conhome until the more Cameroon commuters get back in the evening
If Leadsom picks up all of Fox's support and 75% of Gove's she'd be on about a third of Tory MPs, using Guido's list. That only includes MPs who've declared so far.
I was surprised to see Charlotte Leslie on there as a Leadsom supporter. She waited until a few days before the referendum before declaring for Leave.
You only need 35% support from MPs to get into the membership ballot. It doesn't matter if the other 65% despise Leadsom.
May could lend some of her MPs to Crabb and Gove if she has a big enough lead in round 1 to ensure Leadsom does not make the leadership ballot
I flagged up that possibility a few days ago.
It is very possible, if I were May I would do it, IDS used such tactics to knock-out Portillo though he almost knocked out himself. Cameron also used them to knock-out Fox
It would only work if Leadsom's support with MPs is less than a third in the final round. It obviously also has the potential to go horribly wrong if too many people vote tactically.
Could May 'lend' some of her MP supporters to one of the other candidates so Leadsom doesn't make the final two?
That would make the whole thing very messy...if the Conservative party votes in Leadsom it deserves to eat itself alive.
OK- fine HaroldO politically,- but unlike a Brexiter or three quid Tory, I am not a nihilist. I want May because at this time we need the most competent person being PM. I wish the Tories had opened up an accessible system to pay for it- I would have joined, and influenced everyone I know to go for May.
I actually was considering doing the same in a few years to get her in for 2019 if the field had stayed as it was, and I have no interest in joining a political party at all. But the idea of Osborne or Johnson (after turning on Cameron) getting in appalled me, and with the field on the opposite side being Corbyn than I thought they were nailed on.
I think May is the least worst option, I won't be putting bunting out for her or anything like that.
LOL- I've got my Theresa May kitten coloured bunting at the ready, and a bottle of lemonade (sparkling but non alcoholic to fit our tea totler PM)
Could May 'lend' some of her MP supporters to one of the other candidates so Leadsom doesn't make the final two?
That would make the whole thing very messy...if the Conservative party votes in Leadsom it deserves to eat itself alive.
OK- fine HaroldO politically,- but unlike a Brexiter or three quid Tory, I am not a nihilist. I want May because at this time we need the most competent person being PM. I wish the Tories had opened up an accessible system to pay for it- I would have joined, and influenced everyone I know to go for May.
I actually was considering doing the same in a few years to get her in for 2019 if the field had stayed as it was, and I have no interest in joining a political party at all. But the idea of Osborne or Johnson (after turning on Cameron) getting in appalled me, and with the field on the opposite side being Corbyn than I thought they were nailed on.
I think May is the least worst option, I won't be putting bunting out for her or anything like that.
LOL- I've got my Theresa May kitten coloured bunting at the ready, and a bottle of lemonade (sparkling but non alcoholic to fit our tea totler PM)
Quiz question: which major party leader drinks the most?
So, to be clear, those people (mainly hard-core Leavers) criticising Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making the sensible point that the residence status of EU citizens will depend on the outcome of the outcome of the negotiation are saying that a Romanian who has been here four months and is now working in a hand car-wash has acquired a lifetime right to live here? And that that should remain true even if our EU friends don't extend the same courtesy to Brits living in their countries? Have I got this interpretation of 'getting control of our borders' correct?
Considering most Brits abroad are idle oldies who are tight arses, and have a range of chronic conditions- shut the gates. Give me the Romanian car washer any day, any time, any place.
Leadsom has got it right on this one.
Nabavi- as much as I don't do personal comments here, you never fail to be extremely pompous.
Good grief.... Don't do "personal comments on here" seriously?
You have been calling a number of people on here xenophobic racists for months now and even apologists for racism. One poster even threatened you with lawyers of you attempted it again.
You are certainly a leading candidate for the " total lack of self awareness" award that's for sure.
Could May 'lend' some of her MP supporters to one of the other candidates so Leadsom doesn't make the final two?
That would make the whole thing very messy...if the Conservative party votes in Leadsom it deserves to eat itself alive.
OK- fine HaroldO politically,- but unlike a Brexiter or three quid Tory, I am not a nihilist. I want May because at this time we need the most competent person being PM. I wish the Tories had opened up an accessible system to pay for it- I would have joined, and influenced everyone I know to go for May.
I actually was considering doing the same in a few years to get her in for 2019 if the field had stayed as it was, and I have no interest in joining a political party at all. But the idea of Osborne or Johnson (after turning on Cameron) getting in appalled me, and with the field on the opposite side being Corbyn than I thought they were nailed on.
I think May is the least worst option, I won't be putting bunting out for her or anything like that.
LOL- I've got my Theresa May kitten coloured bunting at the ready, and a bottle of lemonade (sparkling but non alcoholic to fit our tea totler PM)
Quiz question: which major party leader drinks the most?
If Leadsom picks up all of Fox's support and 75% of Gove's she'd be on about a third of Tory MPs, using Guido's list. That only includes MPs who've declared so far.
But that can't happen if Crabb goes out first (after Fox).
May has to ensure the Final 3 is May, Leadsom and Gove - that way she has all (or at least most) of Crabb's votes to play with.
At an absolute minimum May must surely have at least 140 supporters (Crick says 120 with over 100 still to declare).
Add another 20 from Crabb which will transfer to May. That means she has 160 absolute minimum at her disposal - and probably far more - most likely 180+.
110 guarantees being in the Final so she could in theory give Gove an extra 50. He won't need anything like that many to jump ahead of Leadsom.
You only need 35% support from MPs to get into the membership ballot. It doesn't matter if the other 65% despise Leadsom.
One cabinet minister said: “only four out of the five contributions we heard tonight were sane.”
That they are briefing against Leadsom makes me think they are worried about her. They need to be careful not to make it too obvious if they do decide to stitch her up.
I'm sorry....but what is your point in showing this video?
Because it's been shared a million times on Facebook, and is causing discussions across the country?
lol. Are there certain news stories we just SHOULDN'T talk about???
Apparently it's OK to talk about repatriating people now. May could go full BNP. Given the documented millions of racists in the country, she'd win a landslide in 2020.
Could May 'lend' some of her MP supporters to one of the other candidates so Leadsom doesn't make the final two?
That would make the whole thing very messy...if the Conservative party votes in Leadsom it deserves to eat itself alive.
OK- fine HaroldO politically,- but unlike a Brexiter or three quid Tory, I am not a nihilist. I want May because at this time we need the most competent person being PM. I wish the Tories had opened up an accessible system to pay for it- I would have joined, and influenced everyone I know to go for May.
I actually was considering doing the same in a few years to get her in for 2019 if the field had stayed as it was, and I have no interest in joining a political party at all. But the idea of Osborne or Johnson (after turning on Cameron) getting in appalled me, and with the field on the opposite side being Corbyn than I thought they were nailed on.
I think May is the least worst option, I won't be putting bunting out for her or anything like that.
LOL- I've got my Theresa May kitten coloured bunting at the ready, and a bottle of lemonade (sparkling but non alcoholic to fit our tea totler PM)
Quiz question: which major party leader drinks the most?
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that many LEAVE voters have no issue with EU migration - it's non EU migration (especially Muslim migration) which concerns them. I've seen LEAVERs vox popped on TV who said exactly that.
However they weren't given a chance to say Please stop THAT particular kind of migration, so the people pulled the only anti-immigration lever they had. Brexit.
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
It's really not that easy unless you are going to do things like ban any UK citizen from moving their spouse and children here, which most would say was going too far.. (There are already income and criminal conviction limits)
Oh you can ban students or Tier 1/2 work visas, but not without impoverishing universities or wrecking the economy.
Could May 'lend' some of her MP supporters to one of the other candidates so Leadsom doesn't make the final two?
That would make the whole thing very messy...if the Conservative party votes in Leadsom it deserves to eat itself alive.
OK- fine HaroldO politically,- but unlike a Brexiter or three quid Tory, I am not a nihilist. I want May because at this time we need the most competent person being PM. I wish the Tories had opened up an accessible system to pay for it- I would have joined, and influenced everyone I know to go for May.
I actually was considering doing the same in a few years to get her in for 2019 if the field had stayed as it was, and I have no interest in joining a political party at all. But the idea of Osborne or Johnson (after turning on Cameron) getting in appalled me, and with the field on the opposite side being Corbyn than I thought they were nailed on.
I think May is the least worst option, I won't be putting bunting out for her or anything like that.
LOL- I've got my Theresa May kitten coloured bunting at the ready, and a bottle of lemonade (sparkling but non alcoholic to fit our tea totler PM)
Quiz question: which major party leader drinks the most?
Obviously Farage....
Is it a trick question as there are a number of leaderless parties?
If a group of Muslims behaved like this in the UK what do you think would happen? What is the point in showing inflammatory videos. You need to read the Guardian a little more and the Sun, a little less. It'll make you into a more spiritually balanced person.
PLP are meeting. Sounds like Kinnock has moved MPs to tears.
Has he told them he knows how to win an election
In fairness I am in tears of laughter at the thought Kinnock thinks he knows how not to have Tories in power for 18 years
If Corbynistas are only going to listen to election winning leaders, then there's a chap with three election victories with a stonking average of nearly 130 seat majority worth listening to.
Wednesday is nearly here.
A minor mistake by ACL Blair, stop focussing on the negatives and focus on the positives.
I'm sorry....but what is your point in showing this video?
Because it's been shared a million times on Facebook, and is causing discussions across the country?
lol. Are there certain news stories we just SHOULDN'T talk about???
Apparently it's OK to talk about repatriating people now. May could go full BNP. Given the documented millions of racists in the country, she'd win a landslide in 2020.
"Documented millions of racists"
I mean, do you actually believe this VAPID BILGE?
Possibly should have added a 'kappa' on the end. Feeling a bit sour and out of love with my fellow Man tonight .
PLP are meeting. Sounds like Kinnock has moved MPs to tears.
Has he told them he knows how to win an election
In fairness I am in tears of laughter at the thought Kinnock thinks he knows how not to have Tories in power for 18 years
If Corbynistas are only going to listen to election winning leaders, then there's a chap with three election victories with a stonking average of nearly 130 seat majority worth listening to.
I know that there are a range of fairly obnoxious individuals waiting to string up Blair in the wake of Chilcott but I do wonder if his recent foray into British politics means that he's happy with the conclusion. He will have seen it after all.
Mr. kle4, thanks for that spoiler-free but nevertheless very useful comment. I think I'll hang fire, then perhaps get a full box set. If I have any money.
Mr. F, I do bang on about it, but Sean McGlynn's By Sword and Fire (which examines morality in the Middle Ages (mostly warfare)) is really very good, and proved incredibly useful for my trilogy when deciding how harsh, wise, merciful and brutal to be.
One of my beta readers (who tends to be immensely critical) actually singled out a short section on morality in the first book as being particularly good.
The problem with the Show (for me at any rate) is that all that matters is being a badass. Most medieval societies had morals and standards, even if very different from our own. The World depicted in the Show has none; it's an utterly dark and depraved society.
the Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series created a very clear caste based society. (Not the most polished books in the world, but not junk either.)
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
May is Home Secretary, and has been for six years. Why didn't she reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands at any point in that period?
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
May is Home Secretary, and has been for six years. Why didn't she reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands at any point in that period?
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that many LEAVE voters have no issue with EU migration - it's non EU migration (especially Muslim migration) which concerns them. I've seen LEAVERs vox popped on TV who said exactly that.
However they weren't given a chance to say Please stop THAT particular kind of migration, so the people pulled the only anti-immigration lever they had. Brexit.
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
Except that doesn't work either - most Leave voters are even less concerned by American lawyers or Australian bar-tenders. Reducing the immigration people really don't like would be, by definition, discriminatory, and probably pretty ugly looking.
I can almost guarantee that Gove will be disappointed and surprised not to have been backed by Boris. #Martian
No surprise there, the Metro this morning said Boris called Gove 'a duplicitous bastard' after his leadership announcement and subsequent trashing of him
You only need 35% support from MPs to get into the membership ballot. It doesn't matter if the other 65% despise Leadsom.
May could lend some of her MPs to Crabb and Gove if she has a big enough lead in round 1 to ensure Leadsom does not make the leadership ballot
I flagged up that possibility a few days ago.
It is very possible, if I were May I would do it, IDS used such tactics to knock-out Portillo though he almost knocked out himself. Cameron also used them to knock-out Fox
It would only work if Leadsom's support with MPs is less than a third in the final round. It obviously also has the potential to go horribly wrong if too many people vote tactically.
Yes May needs to a big enough lead to do it otherwise it ends up too clever by half
Refusal to admit guide dogs is unfortunately not a rare thing. Saintsbury's came under fire for leaving it up to staff discretion for instance. I would be wary of racial stereotyping on one instance.
The abomination that is the Garden Bridge in London has cost £37.7 million already before any construction has started.
To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge cost £18.2 million in total, although that was sixteen years ago.
Those involved, from Joanna Lumley down, should be ashamed of themselves.
Also off topic, have a look at this abomination that has just been dumped on Bedford. It is a foot bridge at a new development on the river. As this article shows it is nothing like the bridge proposed in the planning drawing. It's hideous. Profit over aesthetics rules OK, even if it involves lying.
There's quite a difference between the artists' renderings and the final design!
You'll hate me for saying this, but I actually don't mind it that much - although I'd want to see it myself once the other works around it are completed. Context is everything.
On another note, the following is amusing - how to get a minidigger off a high lorry. I did something somewhat similar to this once or twice, though off low banks / loading bays, which requires a little more dexterity with the controls. It's not recommended practice.
How thick is Andrea Leadsom? She couldn't get into Oxford and they let in David Miliband with 3Bs and a D.
That was the special entrance requirement for sons of Marxist academics living in Notting Hill
She's of the age when the oxbridge entrance exams still existed. Past that and you could take upper 6 off as all you needed was your 2 E's for a grant...
I think you still had to pass the interview as well
You only need 35% support from MPs to get into the membership ballot. It doesn't matter if the other 65% despise Leadsom.
May could lend some of her MPs to Crabb and Gove if she has a big enough lead in round 1 to ensure Leadsom does not make the leadership ballot
I flagged up that possibility a few days ago.
It is very possible, if I were May I would do it, IDS used such tactics to knock-out Portillo though he almost knocked out himself. Cameron also used them to knock-out Fox
It would only work if Leadsom's support with MPs is less than a third in the final round. It obviously also has the potential to go horribly wrong if too many people vote tactically.
Yes May needs to a big enough lead to do it otherwise it ends up too clever by half
Another thing: you'd only need one person to leak the dastardly tactical voting plan in order to piss off a lot of Tory members.
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that many LEAVE voters have no issue with EU migration - it's non EU migration (especially Muslim migration) which concerns them. I've seen LEAVERs vox popped on TV who said exactly that.
However they weren't given a chance to say Please stop THAT particular kind of migration, so the people pulled the only anti-immigration lever they had. Brexit.
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
May can decrease non EU immigration (though her record suggests she might not be competent to do so) but the next PM could easily overturn her policies and raise numbers. The public are seeking something more permanent and the only feasible way to appease them is to end freedom of movement within the EU.
PLP are meeting. Sounds like Kinnock has moved MPs to tears.
Has he told them he knows how to win an election
In fairness I am in tears of laughter at the thought Kinnock thinks he knows how not to have Tories in power for 18 years
If Corbynistas are only going to listen to election winning leaders, then there's a chap with three election victories with a stonking average of nearly 130 seat majority worth listening to.
Wednesday is nearly here.
A minor mistake by ACL Blair, stop focussing on the negatives and focus on the positives.
He still won a 66 seat majority after Iraq
Corbyn and McDonnell will be far too busy calling Blair a war criminal on Wednesday to even consider his election victories, for them any victory which is not a victory for pacifist socialism is no victory at all!
How thick is Andrea Leadsom? She couldn't get into Oxford and they let in David Miliband with 3Bs and a D.
That was the special entrance requirement for sons of Marxist academics living in Notting Hill
She's of the age when the oxbridge entrance exams still existed. Past that and you could take upper 6 off as all you needed was your 2 E's for a grant...
I think you still had to pass the interview as well
Yep but that was usually all over by December leaving you with the next 6 months relatively stress free
How thick is Andrea Leadsom? She couldn't get into Oxford and they let in David Miliband with 3Bs and a D.
That was the special entrance requirement for sons of Marxist academics living in Notting Hill
She's of the age when the oxbridge entrance exams still existed. Past that and you could take upper 6 off as all you needed was your 2 E's for a grant...
Someone in my comprehensive school in ILEA in the 80s was offered a place at Oxford with two Es under some social engineering programme.
The abomination that is the Garden Bridge in London has cost £37.7 million already before any construction has started.
To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge cost £18.2 million in total, although that was sixteen years ago.
Those involved, from Joanna Lumley down, should be ashamed of themselves.
Also off topic, have a look at this abomination that has just been dumped on Bedford. It is a foot bridge at a new development on the river. As this article shows it is nothing like the bridge proposed in the planning drawing. It's hideous. Profit over aesthetics rules OK, even if it involves lying.
There's quite a difference between the artists' renderings and the final design!
You'll hate me for saying this, but I actually don't mind it that much - although I'd want to see it myself once the other works around it are completed. Context is everything.
On another note, the following is amusing - how to get a minidigger off a high lorry. I did something somewhat similar to this once or twice, though off low banks / loading bays, which requires a little more dexterity with the controls. It's not recommended practice.
Not seen it for myself yet but the actual bridge does have at least two advantages over the artists impression. Firstly it wont fall into the river and secondly you wont fall off the side
If a group of Muslims behaved like this in the UK what do you think would happen? What is the point in showing inflammatory videos. You need to read the Guardian a little more and the Sun, a little less. It'll make you into a more spiritually balanced person.
It's a bloody news story, you gibbering twit. And - see my comments- it has bearing on the the whole question of Brexit, migration and Free Movement.
We've gone beyond the point where we can just hide this stuff away, as Brexit has crisply revealed.
The point he is trying to make (and have sympathy with) is the tabloid choose to feature some stories over others. There are as many white people doing stupid things as Muslims but the daily mail editor will always choose the Muslim one over the white one because it sells more papers that's it.
On the issue of Muslim people not wanting to associate with people who make them religiously uncomfortable I have a whole list of grievances I could roll out.
You may be surprised to learn that in our experience as a gay couple with adopted kids you almost never run into any form of trouble in the UK. But every time we ever do it is from Muslims.
We have had problems with people ranging from other parents at play groups to NHS doctors.
Here are some names: Jessica Jensen, Samantha Bentley, Maisie Dee, Aeryn Walker, Sahara Knite, Sibel Kekilli. Okay they are not most of the leading actresses, but they're quite a long list to be going on with.
"very well produced", "fantasy novels with dark and brutal elements (which lesser copiers mistake as the whole point)"
He has lesser copiers? Do they write on toilet walls or what?
The "Song of Ice and Fire" books on which this TV trash is based have a reading age of 11, and even so the "book readers" are still condemned as some kind of intellectuals by those who promote the TV series.
If you want to check what I just wrote, apply the SMOG readability test. Count the number of words of more than 2 syllables in 30 sentences. Martin keeps to about 5. Tolkien uses about 66.
"a very large cast and intricate plots and has received praise for its depth, acting and unpredictability"
God almighty! In other words it's a badly written soap opera structured around acts of depravity.
"And of course many people do not like fantasy stories or medieval setting stories, of which it is both."
Such use of the notion of a "fantasy" genre that includes works such as this filth along with works of great literary merit such as Tolkien's is marketing. You might as well call Jane Austen "chick lit". It is wrong to regurgitate it, because of a few dragons or whatever.
As for its mediaeval setting, who cares what costumes are worn when a pregnant woman is shown as being stabbed to death through the belly? I don't care whether she's dressed in 14th century clothes, a Mao suit or a ballet tutu. The author has claimed that he's bringing his audience the truth not just about the middle ages but about human society in general. Ban it.
I honestly cannot tell if you are being serious, but it's pretty hilarious parody at the least. It's so vehement and over the top in your anger about a TV show and books (and you seem fixated on this idea I or others are comparing Martin to Tolkein, which I'd not noticed many had - and even as a big fan of Tolkein, I wouldn't get offended on his behalf if someone 'dared' to make such a comparison) that I find it hard to believe it is real, but I suspect it is genuine because you admit in your first sentence that you were talking bollocks about the actresses, because of a bare handful of minor characters.
Looks like things are moving in Andrea Leadsom's favour... I did wonder if this might happen when I saw Alistair Meek's hatchet job earlier. At the moment it seems when Mr Meeks says one thing the opposite happens!
The abomination that is the Garden Bridge in London has cost £37.7 million already before any construction has started.
To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge cost £18.2 million in total, although that was sixteen years ago.
Those involved, from Joanna Lumley down, should be ashamed of themselves.
Also off topic, have a look at this abomination that has just been dumped on Bedford. It is a foot bridge at a new development on the river. As this article shows it is nothing like the bridge proposed in the planning drawing. It's hideous. Profit over aesthetics rules OK, even if it involves lying.
There's quite a difference between the artists' renderings and the final design!
You'll hate me for saying this, but I actually don't mind it that much - although I'd want to see it myself once the other works around it are completed. Context is everything.
On another note, the following is amusing - how to get a minidigger off a high lorry. I did something somewhat similar to this once or twice, though off low banks / loading bays, which requires a little more dexterity with the controls. It's not recommended practice.
By all means feel free accept the darn thing. At least it doesn't have a garden on it. I think, however, they ought to erect something at least roughly similar to the drawing.
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that many LEAVE voters have no issue with EU migration - it's non EU migration (especially Muslim migration) which concerns them. I've seen LEAVERs vox popped on TV who said exactly that.
However they weren't given a chance to say Please stop THAT particular kind of migration, so the people pulled the only anti-immigration lever they had. Brexit.
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
Except that doesn't work either - most Leave voters are even less concerned by American lawyers or Australian bar-tenders. Reducing the immigration people really don't like would be, by definition, discriminatory, and probably pretty ugly looking.
Oh for sure. It would be extremely ugly. Never denied that.
But all western European societies are going to have to face up to this, at some point, possibly quite soon. There is a limit to the amount of immigration from Islamic countries which can be tolerated by host societies in the West. Go beyond that limit, and you get a fracture in the bones of the body politic; the people will say enough. Probably by electing Fascists - cf France, Holland, Austria, right now.
Brexit was a hint of that future, from a British perspective.
The answer is an Australian type points system. You construct the points in a way that are not overtly discriminatory but tend very strongly, in practice, to exclude those you wish to not be here. The individual points themselves are unarguable though.
We could pass a law to this effect in 2016 for non-EU immigration if the simple political will was there. We could also (in somewhat underhand fashion) do what some countries do and simply understaff civil servants who process applications from such countries - imposing a very significant delay.
The abomination that is the Garden Bridge in London has cost £37.7 million already before any construction has started.
To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge cost £18.2 million in total, although that was sixteen years ago.
Those involved, from Joanna Lumley down, should be ashamed of themselves.
Also off topic, have a look at this abomination that has just been dumped on Bedford. It is a foot bridge at a new development on the river. As this article shows it is nothing like the bridge proposed in the planning drawing. It's hideous. Profit over aesthetics rules OK, even if it involves lying.
There's quite a difference between the artists' renderings and the final design!
You'll hate me for saying this, but I actually don't mind it that much - although I'd want to see it myself once the other works around it are completed. Context is everything.
On another note, the following is amusing - how to get a minidigger off a high lorry. I did something somewhat similar to this once or twice, though off low banks / loading bays, which requires a little more dexterity with the controls. It's not recommended practice.
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that many LEAVE voters have no issue with EU migration - it's non EU migration (especially Muslim migration) which concerns them. I've seen LEAVERs vox popped on TV who said exactly that.
However they weren't given a chance to say Please stop THAT particular kind of migration, so the people pulled the only anti-immigration lever they had. Brexit.
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
And to think we said please don't burn the house down for the sake of a (much needed) discussion about immigration.
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that many LEAVE voters have no issue with EU migration - it's non EU migration (especially Muslim migration) which concerns them. I've seen LEAVERs vox popped on TV who said exactly that.
However they weren't given a chance to say Please stop THAT particular kind of migration, so the people pulled the only anti-immigration lever they had. Brexit.
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
It's really not that easy unless you are going to do things like ban any UK citizen from moving their spouse and children here, which most would say was going too far.. (There are already income and criminal conviction limits)
Oh you can ban students or Tier 1/2 work visas, but not without impoverishing universities or wrecking the economy.
Would it impoverish universities or force them to a long overdue reform?
On the issue of Muslim people not wanting to associate with people who make them religiously uncomfortable I have a whole list of grievances I could roll out.
You may be surprised to learn that in our experience as a gay couple with adopted kids you almost never run into any form of trouble in the UK. But every time we ever do it is from Muslims.
We have had problems with people ranging from other parents at play groups to NHS doctors.
It has really turned me against the religion.
I'm so sorry to hear this as a Muslim, what trouble did u have with the NHS doctor? Pm me if u want.
On the issue of Muslim people not wanting to associate with people who make them religiously uncomfortable I have a whole list of grievances I could roll out.
You may be surprised to learn that in our experience as a gay couple with adopted kids you almost never run into any form of trouble in the UK. But every time we ever do it is from Muslims.
We have had problems with people ranging from other parents at play groups to NHS doctors.
It has really turned me against the religion.
There was a minor furore when ICM did their survey of UK Muslims' attitudes to homosexuality etc:
I feel like Leadsome is building up some real steam, which her own inadequacies for the job may not be able to stop even if they should (like Corbyn, although she hasn't appeared so unsuited so far) - I will be interested to see if she can impress during the campaign, or if it ends up with inexplicable fervour for someone very ordinary.
He wouldn't but endorsing someone who shouldn't even be in the contest is just staggering. Leadsom is egregiously unqualified. Inflicting her on the country would be a betrayal of the people the Conservatives were elected to serve just 14 months ago. It would be a decision from which the party would never ever recover.
Looks like things are moving in Andrea Leadsom's favour... I did wonder if this might happen when I saw Alistair Meek's hatchet job earlier. At the moment it seems when Mr Meeks says one thing the opposite happens!
Alistair Meeks and Dan Hodges...
Meeks Hodges and TSE. The holy trinity! Fingers crossed they're wrong again.
If a group of Muslims behaved like this in the UK what do you think would happen? What is the point in showing inflammatory videos. You need to read the Guardian a little more and the Sun, a little less. It'll make you into a more spiritually balanced person.
It's a bloody news story, you gibbering twit. And - see my comments- it has bearing on the the whole question of Brexit, migration and Free Movement.
We've gone beyond the point where we can just hide this stuff away, as Brexit has crisply revealed.
Actually, sean- I think you are fundamentally wrong about immigration.
I watched Panorama tonight.
The WWC's are angry particularly about Eastern European immigration. Why? Because they are more skilled, more reliable, they are prepared to work for less, they are harder working, and they take their jobs. As an employer, who would you take?
Equally, many Asian first and second generation voted Brexit for the same reason. Their livelihoods are at risk with this influx of a hard working, industrious, labour force from Eastern Europe.
The WWC classes have coped for decades with Muslim and Asian immigration. Communities have largely coped. Asian and Muslim migrants haven't threatened their existence in the way that Eastern Europeans have who are hungry and industrious.
I don't know the answers. Protectionism against this influx of East European Labour will invariably hurt our economy, but I can understand why the WWC don't want them here.
Showing a video about a Muslim not letting a dog into a taxi is barking (pun intended) up the wrong tree.
Looks like things are moving in Andrea Leadsom's favour... I did wonder if this might happen when I saw Alistair Meek's hatchet job earlier. At the moment it seems when Mr Meeks says one thing the opposite happens!
Alistair Meeks and Dan Hodges...
Meeks Hodges and TSE. The holy trinity! Fingers crossed they're wrong again.
It's at difficult times like this that we need Roger to provide us with his ineffable anti-guidance. Someone break out the Batphone.
Surely there is no hope of Leadsom getting her true believer plans through the house? I can't comment on the poll, perhaps we need to see a few more, trend is the friend etc.
How many genuine Tory europhile MPs are there? Ones that have long been on the record about their pro-euness, like Soubry or Clarke? If it's more than 30 they could cause real trouble to any brexit plans anyway (12 to knock out con majority, 7 to cover labour leavers, 8 to cover DUP).
Could depend on if the SNP abstain or not (they may do if it helps their independence cause, but I think they would probably still vote against)
SNP would vote against as Sturgeon won't want to lose credibility. There are probably 30+ Europhile Tories, Damian Green, Geo Osborne (!), David Cameron (!), Clare Perry etc etc
I expect that Conservatives who voted against Brexit now would lose the Whip.
If it was an EEA type solution from May I can imagine the threat of losing the whip being enough to keep them in line. But if it's a completely out option, with a leader preferred amongst members not MPs, would the europhile's still vote it through? Labour MPs may be useless at rebellions but the Tories generally have a better knack for it!
It's not in the gift of the House of Commons.
The outcome is the result of negotiation with the EU. Given the end of free movement, if the EU says no deal other than World Trade tariffs then the HoC can not vote for EFTA.
It is not up to the EU whether we join EFTA. It is up to the EFTA members. Since you are referring specifically to EFTA then bear in mind the EU has absolutely no say whatsoever over the makeup of EFTA.
But EFTA members (other than Lichtenstein) have to agree free movement.
So? That wasn't the point you made. I like free movement. It is one of the good things - except of course I want free movement from outside the EU as well. I know it is a very minority view but it is why EFTA/EEA membership seems like the perfect solution to me.
If a group of Muslims behaved like this in the UK what do you think would happen? What is the point in showing inflammatory videos. You need to read the Guardian a little more and the Sun, a little less. It'll make you into a more spiritually balanced person.
It's a bloody news story, you gibbering twit. And - see my comments- it has bearing on the the whole question of Brexit, migration and Free Movement.
We've gone beyond the point where we can just hide this stuff away, as Brexit has crisply revealed.
Actually, sean- I think you are fundamentally wrong about immigration.
I watched Panorama tonight.
The WWC's are angry particularly about Eastern European immigration. Why? Because they are more skilled, more reliable, they are prepared to work for less, they are harder working, and they take their jobs. As an employer, who would you take?
Equally, many Asian first and second generation voted Brexit for the same reason. Their livelihoods are at risk with this influx of a hard working, industrious, labour force from Eastern Europe.
The WWC classes have coped for decades with Muslim and Asian immigration. Communities have largely coped. Asian and Muslim migrants haven't threatened their existence in the way that Eastern Europeans have who are hungry and industrious.
I don't know the answers. Protectionism against this influx of East European Labour will invariably hurt our economy, but I can understand why the WWC don't want them here.
Showing a video about a Muslim not letting a dog into a taxi is barking (pun intended) up the wrong tree.
Surely there is no hope of Leadsom getting her true believer plans through the house? I can't comment on the poll, perhaps we need to see a few more, trend is the friend etc.
How many genuine Tory europhile MPs are there? Ones that have long been on the record about their pro-euness, like Soubry or Clarke? If it's more than 30 they could cause real trouble to any brexit plans anyway (12 to knock out con majority, 7 to cover labour leavers, 8 to cover DUP).
Could depend on if the SNP abstain or not (they may do if it helps their independence cause, but I think they would probably still vote against)
SNP would vote against as Sturgeon won't want to lose credibility. There are probably 30+ Europhile Tories, Damian Green, Geo Osborne (!), David Cameron (!), Clare Perry etc etc
I expect that Conservatives who voted against Brexit now would lose the Whip.
If it was an EEA type solution from May I can imagine the threat of losing the whip being enough to keep them in line. But if it's a completely out option, with a leader preferred amongst members not MPs, would the europhile's still vote it through? Labour MPs may be useless at rebellions but the Tories generally have a better knack for it!
It's not in the gift of the House of Commons.
The outcome is the result of negotiation with the EU. Given the end of free movement, if the EU says no deal other than World Trade tariffs then the HoC can not vote for EFTA.
It is not up to the EU whether we join EFTA. It is up to the EFTA members. Since you are referring specifically to EFTA then bear in mind the EU has absolutely no say whatsoever over the makeup of EFTA.
But EFTA members (other than Lichtenstein) have to agree free movement.
EFTA is an association of oddball countries in western Europe that aren't members of the EU. The European Economic Area (EEA) is a single market and social area setup between EFTA and the EU. To be part of the EEA a Brexited UK would have to join EFTA and, in practice, get the agreement of the EU
No it wouldn't. We have been over this dozens of times and you are still wrong.
"Andrea Leadsom offers the zap, the drive, and the determination essential for the next leader of this country. She has long championed the needs of the most vulnerable in our society. She has a better understanding of finance than almost anyone else in Parliament. She has considerable experience of government. She is level-headed, kind, trustworthy, approachable and the possessor of a good sense of humour. She has specialised in the EU question and successfully campaigned for leave and will be therefore well-placed to help forge a great post-Brexit future for Britain and Europe. Above all she possesses the qualities needed to bring together leavers and remainers in the weeks and months ahead. I will be voting for Andrea Leadsom tomorrow."
You only need 35% support from MPs to get into the membership ballot. It doesn't matter if the other 65% despise Leadsom.
May could lend some of her MPs to Crabb and Gove if she has a big enough lead in round 1 to ensure Leadsom does not make the leadership ballot
I flagged up that possibility a few days ago.
It is very possible, if I were May I would do it, IDS used such tactics to knock-out Portillo though he almost knocked out himself. Cameron also used them to knock-out Fox
It would only work if Leadsom's support with MPs is less than a third in the final round. It obviously also has the potential to go horribly wrong if too many people vote tactically.
Yes May needs to a big enough lead to do it otherwise it ends up too clever by half
Another thing: you'd only need one person to leak the dastardly tactical voting plan in order to piss off a lot of Tory members.
Indeed but if it is May v Gove she would probably still win anyway
This presents an opportunity for May (or whoever wins).
IF she says she is going to reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands (which she could do tomorrow) she might be able to sell continued Free Movement within the EEA.
May is Home Secretary, and has been for six years. Why didn't she reduce non-EU immigration to the low tens of thousands at any point in that period?
He wouldn't but endorsing someone who shouldn't even be in the contest is just staggering. Leadsom is egregiously unqualified. Inflicting her on the country would be a betrayal of the people the Conservatives were elected to serve just 14 months ago. It would be a decision from which the party would never ever recover.
I wouldn't feel betrayed and would be interested to hear how you feel you are qualified to speak for the nation, especially when not using your mouth.
I think May should simply try and build up as many MP votes as she can in each round to demonstrate that she is the overwhelming choice of the PLP. Hopefully Tory members in the country will learn the lesson from Labour that choosing a leader who isn't strongly endorsed by the party's PLP risks major problems for the future.
If May tries to game the result she risks being charged with sharp practice. She doesn't want to let Gove off the hook as, "Deceiver-in Chief".
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http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/controversial-riverside-north-bridge-installed-over-the-great-ouse-this-morning/story-29465119-detail/story.html
Nor John Major ..... and he worked in a bank like Leadsom but more junior role.
Corbyn must go. And go now.
If they let Leadsom into the Final she has a very good chance - and the Con party will have done the mirror image of what Lab has done with Corbyn.
May has lots of spare MPs - especially when Crabb goes out. I would say 30 MPs who support May need to vote Gove - that should be enough to put Gove into the Final which would almost guarantee a May win.
And even if it didn't, Gove is more electable than Leadsom.
It seems crazy that MPs might split A 75% and B 25%, whilst the members split A 49% and B 51% - and B would then win.
Surely it would be better if the Final was an Electoral College - 50% MPs, 50% members.
In fact, that's an idea, let's just repatriate the arseholes. There must be some barren island kicking around in the Barents Sea or some such.
Conservative members will see Ms Leadsom on TV, read articles she writes, and form their own opinions.
May has to ensure the Final 3 is May, Leadsom and Gove - that way she has all (or at least most) of Crabb's votes to play with.
At an absolute minimum May must surely have at least 140 supporters (Crick says 120 with over 100 still to declare).
Add another 20 from Crabb which will transfer to May. That means she has 160 absolute minimum at her disposal - and probably far more - most likely 180+.
110 guarantees being in the Final so she could in theory give Gove an extra 50. He won't need anything like that many to jump ahead of Leadsom.
Oh you can ban students or Tier 1/2 work visas, but not without impoverishing universities or wrecking the economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIidxlf3nLk
If a group of Muslims behaved like this in the UK what do you think would happen? What is the point in showing inflammatory videos. You need to read the Guardian a little more and the Sun, a little less. It'll make you into a more spiritually balanced person.
https://twitter.com/MattTurner4L/status/748561611334496256
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/07/eurosceptics-divide-over-the-leadership-race.html
Stinks of desperation.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0
You'll hate me for saying this, but I actually don't mind it that much - although I'd want to see it myself once the other works around it are completed. Context is everything.
As an example I quite like the newish Riverside Bridge in Cambridge, yet thought I would hate it from the designs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridges_in_Cambridge#/media/File:Cambridge_Riverside_Bridge.jpg
On another note, the following is amusing - how to get a minidigger off a high lorry. I did something somewhat similar to this once or twice, though off low banks / loading bays, which requires a little more dexterity with the controls. It's not recommended practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaErLOTpXKk
May can decrease non EU immigration (though her record suggests she might not be competent to do so) but the next PM could easily overturn her policies and raise numbers. The public are seeking something more permanent and the only feasible way to appease them is to end freedom of movement within the EU.
Think she did a fair bit better th Not seen it for myself yet but the actual bridge does have at least two advantages over the artists impression. Firstly it wont fall into the river and secondly you wont fall off the side
You may be surprised to learn that in our experience as a gay couple with adopted kids you almost never run into any form of trouble in the UK. But every time we ever do it is from Muslims.
We have had problems with people ranging from other parents at play groups to NHS doctors.
It has really turned me against the religion.
Alistair Meeks and Dan Hodges...
P/S That's seriously competent!!
We could pass a law to this effect in 2016 for non-EU immigration if the simple political will was there. We could also (in somewhat underhand fashion) do what some countries do and simply understaff civil servants who process applications from such countries - imposing a very significant delay.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
It's only a poll. But there's clearly some variance from the UK social mores.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/how-muslim-countries-treat-homosexuals
I watched Panorama tonight.
The WWC's are angry particularly about Eastern European immigration. Why? Because they are more skilled, more reliable, they are prepared to work for less, they are harder working, and they take their jobs. As an employer, who would you take?
Equally, many Asian first and second generation voted Brexit for the same reason. Their livelihoods are at risk with this influx of a hard working, industrious, labour force from Eastern Europe.
The WWC classes have coped for decades with Muslim and Asian immigration. Communities have largely coped. Asian and Muslim migrants haven't threatened their existence in the way that Eastern Europeans have who are hungry and industrious.
I don't know the answers. Protectionism against this influx of East European Labour will invariably hurt our economy, but I can understand why the WWC don't want them here.
Showing a video about a Muslim not letting a dog into a taxi is barking (pun intended) up the wrong tree.
"Andrea Leadsom offers the zap, the drive, and the determination essential for the next leader of this country.
She has long championed the needs of the most vulnerable in our society. She has a better understanding of finance than almost anyone else in Parliament. She has considerable experience of government.
She is level-headed, kind, trustworthy, approachable and the possessor of a good sense of humour.
She has specialised in the EU question and successfully campaigned for leave and will be therefore well-placed to help forge a great post-Brexit future for Britain and Europe.
Above all she possesses the qualities needed to bring together leavers and remainers in the weeks and months ahead. I will be voting for Andrea Leadsom tomorrow."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jul/04/brexit-live-plan-leave-vote-hysteria-boris-johnson
If May tries to game the result she risks being charged with sharp practice. She doesn't want to let Gove off the hook as, "Deceiver-in Chief".