EU Data Protection Act means that only 'accredited safe havens' outside the EU can be trusted with sensitive personal information.
The Germans are particularly snotty about it.
EDS (before the HP acquisition) had all its UK payroll on systems in Germany, because they couldn't move the German ones and it was cheaper to have 1 than 2
According to the Telegraph, Brexit has caused a possible collapse of the Italian banking system. That was in the print edition, don't know what the latest is.
"The EU referendum created a huge divide in Birmingham – with more than three quarters voting to Remain in some wards and the same ratio voting Leave in others. The Brexit battle in the city was the most fierce in the UK, with 50.4 per cent of more than 450,000 voters wanting to Leave. New data reveals how the votes differed wildly in different parts of the city. In all, 22 of Birmingham’s 40 wards voted to Leave, and 18 wanted to remain."
Thanks Andy. Maybe I was a bit quick to pour scorn on that BBC Midlands political commentator who was saying 55 to 60% remain at the start of the night, which looks perfectly possible if he was seeing the votes from some of those wards going 75% remain.
Does that show a split amongst Asian vs White wards?
Yes. Pretty high Remain vote in the Asian areas.
Sad.
But in Leicester the Asian vote must have split a lot more evenly.
My impression was of my ethnically vibrant workmates:
Middle class Hindus for Leave.
Muslims for Remain or not voting because of Ramadan.
Afro-Caribbeans for Remain
Filipinos for Leave
Europeans with voting rights for Remain.
It was a mixed picture.
I think the initial simplic analysis is just that. The reasons people voted the way they did appears in some places a bit more complex.
One thing that I thought of why certain areas with high Asian populations might have voted leave. Lots of small business owners & people working in small close knit organisations. The sort of places that EU redtape / regs (and regs blamed on eu) has a much more noticeable affect than working for a massive multi national.
The main sentiment that I got (and reported the anecdata here) was Indian doctors and filipino nurses saying "I had to jump though hoops and take exams to get work here, why shouldn't they?"
They are already finding that those folk who do not like Greeks or Portuguese like Asians even less.
Encouraging noises in the Telegraph regarding Cameron's talks today. Nice to see the Poles and Czechs putting the boot into Junckers. The Battle of Britain II has begun!
"The EU referendum created a huge divide in Birmingham – with more than three quarters voting to Remain in some wards and the same ratio voting Leave in others. The Brexit battle in the city was the most fierce in the UK, with 50.4 per cent of more than 450,000 voters wanting to Leave. New data reveals how the votes differed wildly in different parts of the city. In all, 22 of Birmingham’s 40 wards voted to Leave, and 18 wanted to remain."
If you know Brum that makes very interesting reading.
Those differences in the 4 wards in Edgbaston are just amazing in Gisela's backyard - I never thought those wards would behave so differently.
Sutton Coldfield is an old stamping ground of mine. That was split 2:2, which was a genuine surprise. Would have thought it rock solid Remain.
Remain managed to win a tiny majority in the poshest part of the town, Four Oaks. They needed to win it easily.
One of those Four Oaks Remain votes was mine :-)
My bit's not quite so posh though.
Edit: Although Four Oaks is affluent, the inhabitants tend to be self-made types, owners of small businesses and the like. There are rather fewer corporate graduate types, and probably fewer with a degree than you'd expect for such an area.
"The EU referendum created a huge divide in Birmingham – with more than three quarters voting to Remain in some wards and the same ratio voting Leave in others. The Brexit battle in the city was the most fierce in the UK, with 50.4 per cent of more than 450,000 voters wanting to Leave. New data reveals how the votes differed wildly in different parts of the city. In all, 22 of Birmingham’s 40 wards voted to Leave, and 18 wanted to remain."
Thanks Andy. Maybe I was a bit quick to pour scorn on that BBC Midlands political commentator who was saying 55 to 60% remain at the start of the night, which looks perfectly possible if he was seeing the votes from some of those wards going 75% remain.
Does that show a split amongst Asian vs White wards?
Yes. Pretty high Remain vote in the Asian areas.
Sad.
But in Leicester the Asian vote must have split a lot more evenly.
Then the Muslim vote might be heavily remain as Leicesters Asian population is more Hindu.
Also Hounslow both Hindu and Muslim voted 51/49. Slough more Hindu than Muslim voted Leave. However, Luton , mostly Muslim voted 50:50.
Could May appoint Cameron to a top Cabinet post - ie Foreign Sec or Chancellor?
Don’t see why not – only problem I foresee, is Cameron’s final departure date. Personally I don't see him hanging around till 2020.
I cannot see that, Cameron wouldn't want if after doing the top job.
Unlikely, perhaps but not unprecedented. Sir Alec Douglas Home was Foreign Secretary after being Prime Minister, and Neville Chamberlain served in Churchill's wartime cabinet.
Great factoid – was the latter decision however, more to do with WW11 than convention?
That's not the actual story. I know we've all got axes to grind, but we deserve better. Like a lot of things, it's conditional on the UK's final agreement with the EU.
According to the Telegraph, Brexit has caused a possible collapse of the Italian banking system. That was in the print edition, don't know what the latest is.
BBC — at least 28 dead in Turkey. 3 suicide bombers believed to have carried out attack.
Pure suicide commando attack. International terminal. The obvious suspects are IS but they have shown a marked reluctance to claim attacks in Turkey (even though they have attacked before) so it will be interesting to see if there is a claim. They do have a reason now to come out of anonymity if its them.
Consider this: if REMAIN had won Cameron would now be trying to awkwardly explain the "EU army" was not an "EU army" despite it clearly being an "EU army" in the form of an "EU army".
The entire narrative would be "REMAIN lied to us"
The phrase to make you shudder is 'strategic autonomy'. Look at the EU's domestic policies. Look at its track record. Do we really want an EU waving its military willy at Russia? Or trying to fix North Africa or the Middle East. Certain elements of the EU are so jealous of the USA, they want to have their own Vietnam.
That's not the actual story. I know we've all got axes to grind, but we deserve better. Like a lot of things, it's conditional on the UK's final agreement with the EU.
Vodaphone thinking about leaving VISA thinking about leaving Morgan Stanley not leaving Bloomberg not leaving People 'freezing' big investment
In other words - companies considering their options when a country makes a big political and economic change.
Hardly fighting for places on the last boat to get away from broken racist Britain.
The narrative will come unstuck because no sensible company will actually be prepared to DO any of this stuff on the basis of this flimsy hand-flapping episode.
BBC — at least 28 dead in Turkey. 3 suicide bombers believed to have carried out attack.
Pure suicide commando attack. International terminal. The obvious suspects are IS but they have shown a marked reluctance to claim attacks in Turkey (even though they have attacked before) so it will be interesting to see if there is a claim. They do have a reason now to come out of anonymity if its them.
Media reports they threw grenades before blowing themselves up.
According to the Telegraph, Brexit has caused a possible collapse of the Italian banking system. That was in the print edition, don't know what the latest is.
To the Leavers this is equivalent to a collapse of the entire banking system. Maybe, if VISA, HSBC, Morgan Stanley move to Italy, it will shore them up.
That's not the actual story. I know we've all got axes to grind, but we deserve better. Like a lot of things, it's conditional on the UK's final agreement with the EU.
Vodaphone thinking about leaving VISA thinking about leaving Morgan Stanley not leaving Bloomberg not leaving People 'freezing' big investment
In other words - companies considering their options when a country makes a big political and economic change.
Hardly fighting for places on the last boat to get away from broken racist Britain.
The narrative will come unstuck because no sensible company will actually be prepared to DO any of this stuff on the basis of this flimsy hand-flapping episode.
You really think that some of these multinational companies won't move jobs out if it suits their business objectives to do so. Blindingly naïve.
The main sentiment that I got (and reported the anecdata here) was Indian doctors and filipino nurses saying "I had to jump though hoops and take exams to get work here, why shouldn't they?"
They are already finding that those folk who do not like Greeks or Portuguese like Asians even less.
Are there actually any more than a small percentage of sick people who give a stuff about where their physicians, surgeons, nurses come from? Aside from perhaps some language/communication issues (which alas do occur) how many patients have an issue?
As an aside, I note that at the Renal Unit at the RSCH all the medical staff that I have had dealings with have been white Brits. At the Brighton Eye Hospital aside from a couple of the nurses, none have been. The two establishments are on either side of the road, no more than 20 yards apart. Does the medical profession run some sort of apartheid in its specialities?
That's not the actual story. I know we've all got axes to grind, but we deserve better. Like a lot of things, it's conditional on the UK's final agreement with the EU.
Vodaphone thinking about leaving VISA thinking about leaving Morgan Stanley not leaving Bloomberg not leaving People 'freezing' big investment
In other words - companies considering their options when a country makes a big political and economic change.
Hardly fighting for places on the last boat to get away from broken racist Britain.
The narrative will come unstuck because no sensible company will actually be prepared to DO any of this stuff on the basis of this flimsy hand-flapping episode.
I'd rather have a balanced narrative. It's bound to have an impact, as businesses don't like uncertainty. Post exit, there may be legal, regulatory or even commercial reasons why a company might need to relocate some, or all, of their operations to EU states.
Brexit will have Brexit related unemployment. Markets will be volatile. Based on the IMF report, we're highly likely to have a shallow recession (-.8%) next year. And so on. There has been a measurable increase in unacceptable racist and intimidatory behaviour. People are still upset and worried. There's no point in being in denial over it.
PB has been very unpleasant for at least the last fortnight. I thought we were doing very well today. I'm just appealing for a bit more civility and a bit less one-eyed posting. Except if I'm doing it, when it's naturally ok .
If the entire Italian banking system really is about to collapse they might want to hold off on that decision for a day or two...
Oh, yes ! THe banking system was collapsing because they were watching their football team.
Because berlusconi announced he was returning to politics to unseat Monti. Then changed his mind. Sort of. Monti hinting at entering electoral politics himself at the head of a new party. Lots of rumours about deals between the two of them, or alternatively that they will fight to the death. Since when it all got so complicated that even the Italians don't understand it. Nevertheless very little to do with Brexit.
Who takes PMQs tomorrow? My guess is that Independent Labour (172) won't stage an official coup in the Commons because they'll want to see Official Labour (40) suffer. Constitutionally the SNP (56) have a case to declare they are the official Opposition unless and until the Labour rebels complete the revolt by appointing one of their own as leader in the Commons.
In any case, it's a rare Tuesday night indeed when one of four MPs (Robertson, Watson, Eagle, Corbyn) could theoretically be called to the dispatch box the following day.
The main sentiment that I got (and reported the anecdata here) was Indian doctors and filipino nurses saying "I had to jump though hoops and take exams to get work here, why shouldn't they?"
They are already finding that those folk who do not like Greeks or Portuguese like Asians even less.
Are there actually any more than a small percentage of sick people who give a stuff about where their physicians, surgeons, nurses come from? Aside from perhaps some language/communication issues (which alas do occur) how many patients have an issue?
As an aside, I note that at the Renal Unit at the RSCH all the medical staff that I have had dealings with have been white Brits. At the Brighton Eye Hospital aside from a couple of the nurses, none have been. The two establishments are on either side of the road, no more than 20 yards apart. Does the medical profession run some sort of apartheid in its specialities?
As long as their English comprehension is up to snuff, who gives a shit? I've only met one doctor who I couldn't understand, and who apparently couldn't understand me. That's not a bad record, considering the Welsh NHS is even more dependent on immigrants than the English.
According to the Telegraph, Brexit has caused a possible collapse of the Italian banking system. That was in the print edition, don't know what the latest is.
To the Leavers this is equivalent to a collapse of the entire banking system. Maybe, if VISA, HSBC, Morgan Stanley move to Italy, it will shore them up.
Your slavering *everything crossed* hope for British job losses is stomach churning.
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
Unfortunately the country voted for Brexit with no free movement.
We must respect the will of the people, or Nigel Farage will become even more odious in his campaigning
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
I fear that this is being pushed because people think it will save the union with Scotland, but it won't be enough. We need EU + FoM reform.
According to the Telegraph, Brexit has caused a possible collapse of the Italian banking system. That was in the print edition, don't know what the latest is.
To the Leavers this is equivalent to a collapse of the entire banking system. Maybe, if VISA, HSBC, Morgan Stanley move to Italy, it will shore them up.
Your slavering *everything crossed* hope for British job losses is stomach churning.
Who takes PMQs tomorrow? My guess is that Independent Labour (172) won't stage an official coup in the Commons because they'll want to see Official Labour (40) suffer. Constitutionally the SNP (56) have a case to declare they are the official Opposition unless and until the Labour rebels complete the revolt by appointing one of their own as leader in the Commons.
In any case, it's a rare Tuesday night indeed when one of four MPs (Robertson, Watson, Eagle, Corbyn) could theoretically be called to the dispatch box the following day.
That's not the actual story. I know we've all got axes to grind, but we deserve better. Like a lot of things, it's conditional on the UK's final agreement with the EU.
Vodaphone thinking about leaving VISA thinking about leaving Morgan Stanley not leaving Bloomberg not leaving People 'freezing' big investment
In other words - companies considering their options when a country makes a big political and economic change.
Hardly fighting for places on the last boat to get away from broken racist Britain.
The narrative will come unstuck because no sensible company will actually be prepared to DO any of this stuff on the basis of this flimsy hand-flapping episode.
You really think that some of these multinational companies won't move jobs out if it suits their business objectives to do so. Blindingly naïve.
Of course they will. Just like Ford moved out of Southampton (inside the EU) to Turkey (outside the EU).
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
Unfortunately the country voted for Brexit with no free movement.
We must respect the will of the people, or Nigel Farage will become even more odious in his campaigning
This is just a lie. They voted LEAVE. That's all we know, all we can know, unless you want to make windows into men's souls.
I'm fairly certain restricting immigration and free movement was mentioned occasionally.
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
Unfortunately the country voted for Brexit with no free movement.
We must respect the will of the people, or Nigel Farage will become even more odious in his campaigning
I'm assuming that's sarcasm, right? Let's just ignore the 48% remainers, hmm? I have no idea how many Leavers think that controlled migration = 0 migration. Let's just be charitable, call them idiots and ignore them.
That's not the actual story. I know we've all got axes to grind, but we deserve better. Like a lot of things, it's conditional on the UK's final agreement with the EU.
Vodaphone thinking about leaving VISA thinking about leaving Morgan Stanley not leaving Bloomberg not leaving People 'freezing' big investment
In other words - companies considering their options when a country makes a big political and economic change.
Hardly fighting for places on the last boat to get away from broken racist Britain.
The narrative will come unstuck because no sensible company will actually be prepared to DO any of this stuff on the basis of this flimsy hand-flapping episode.
I'd rather have a balanced narrative. It's bound to have an impact, as businesses don't like uncertainty. Post exit, there may be legal, regulatory or even commercial reasons why a company might need to relocate some, or all, of their operations to EU states.
Brexit will have Brexit related unemployment. Markets will be volatile. Based on the IMF report, we're highly likely to have a shallow recession (-.8%) next year. And so on. There has been a measurable increase in unacceptable racist and intimidatory behaviour. People are still upset and worried. There's no point in being in denial over it.
PB has been very unpleasant for at least the last fortnight. I thought we were doing very well today. I'm just appealing for a bit more civility and a bit less one-eyed posting. Except if I'm doing it, when it's naturally ok .
If the 'increase' in racist attacks is measurable, I'd like to see the measurement. I'd be surprised if you have verified year on year statistics, but go for it, I stand to be corrected.
Sky News papers review has two of the most typical metro-liberal-luvies on "reviewing" the papers... how people like them can live in such a bubble, and even when they acknowledge the existence of that bubble they still are not able or willing to break through it.
Unfortunately the country voted for Brexit with no free movement.
We must respect the will of the people, or Nigel Farage will become even more odious in his campaigning
The country voted to exit the EU, but not the direction, means or duration of exit. We need a democratic process to figure this out, alongside a means of reassuring business and the people.
The political class are just scribbling ideas on bits of paper at present.
According to the Telegraph, Brexit has caused a possible collapse of the Italian banking system. That was in the print edition, don't know what the latest is.
To the Leavers this is equivalent to a collapse of the entire banking system. Maybe, if VISA, HSBC, Morgan Stanley move to Italy, it will shore them up.
Your slavering *everything crossed* hope for British job losses is stomach churning.
Fuck off. You guys brought the country to this.
Yes. To a point where you lost and you're fervently hoping for big job losses.
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
I fear that this is being pushed because people think it will save the union with Scotland, but it won't be enough. We need EU + FoM reform.
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
I fear that this is being pushed because people think it will save the union with Scotland, but it won't be enough. We need EU + FoM reform.
The union with Scotland was already in rough shape - having voted Leave once, even if that is reversed, it's hard to see it not breaking from rUK. After all, what if we change our minds again?
A solution which is technically out but not that much different might well appeal to a majority of the electorate, the question is how many of the Leavers are hoping for a much more decisive break and how much trouble will they cause.
Feels like the Tories, by and large, think a deal can be reached on EEA and that a GE can even be avoided. If they avoid the latter, work toward the former, and the world doesn't come crashing down, they won't even need to ask the people again (the main problem with any continued Remain option).
Yes. With some promises that we will revisit it in time, to see if it has worked, and the proviso that we have a sort of emergency brake. Not ideal, but there we are.
Incidentally, the News at Ten reports Gordon Brown is tomorrow coming out for this solution: EEA with emergency brake.
A consensus is forming. i think it could command 60% of the voters. We're out, but in the single market. The EU will also want this.
The EU army thing, today, by itself, renders all dreams of continued EU membership utterly inoperable.
I fear that this is being pushed because people think it will save the union with Scotland, but it won't be enough. We need EU + FoM reform.
No, we are leaving the EU.
EFTA+EEA is clearly gaining momentum and is an excellent short/medium term solution. Implementing a quota system similar to that of Liechtenstein would keep those wanting restrictions on immigration happy.
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EDS (before the HP acquisition) had all its UK payroll on systems in Germany, because they couldn't move the German ones and it was cheaper to have 1 than 2
They are already finding that those folk who do not like Greeks or Portuguese like Asians even less.
And Corbyn is still lashed to the wheel of the sinking ship...
My bit's not quite so posh though.
Edit: Although Four Oaks is affluent, the inhabitants tend to be self-made types, owners of small businesses and the like. There are rather fewer corporate graduate types, and probably fewer with a degree than you'd expect for such an area.
You do the Remain cause no good with your hyping of job losses.
VISA in the UK is I think much like McDonalds anyway.
I've yet to know of one person that has been affected in their employment by Brexit. (However it is of course very early days)
No-one knows, do they?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/27/italy-eyes-40bn-bank-rescue-as-first-brexit-domino-falls/
The jobs haven't been moved, it is conditional on what deal we get.
Guarantee Clive Lewis sufficient nominations to get onto the ballot and Corbyn will resign.
Come on Watson et al, do the deal and we can have a full-on leadership election.
If it is Corbyn v Eagle I don't know if I will bother to vote.
That's the point
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Hundreds of British-based jobs at the credit card giant Visa COULD be forced to relocate to the Continent in the wake of last week's EU referendum.
http://news.sky.com/story/1718832/brexit-jobs-threat-at-credit-card-giant-visa
VISA thinking about leaving
Morgan Stanley not leaving
Bloomberg not leaving
People 'freezing' big investment
In other words - companies considering their options when a country makes a big political and economic change.
Hardly fighting for places on the last boat to get away from broken racist Britain.
The narrative will come unstuck because no sensible company will actually be prepared to DO any of this stuff on the basis of this flimsy hand-flapping episode.
"Look, he's not the Messiah"
"Yes, he is!"
"No, he isn't"
Clive Lewis may have some good points. but he's hopeless in the big scheme of things.
I have no clue who it could be. Diane Abbot?
Sturgeon has some historical precedent on her side, and a big head start on Khan.
It's whipsaw all the way.
As an aside, I note that at the Renal Unit at the RSCH all the medical staff that I have had dealings with have been white Brits. At the Brighton Eye Hospital aside from a couple of the nurses, none have been. The two establishments are on either side of the road, no more than 20 yards apart. Does the medical profession run some sort of apartheid in its specialities?
Brexit will have Brexit related unemployment. Markets will be volatile. Based on the IMF report, we're highly likely to have a shallow recession (-.8%) next year. And so on. There has been a measurable increase in unacceptable racist and intimidatory behaviour. People are still upset and worried. There's no point in being in denial over it.
PB has been very unpleasant for at least the last fortnight. I thought we were doing very well today. I'm just appealing for a bit more civility and a bit less one-eyed posting. Except if I'm doing it, when it's naturally ok
In any case, it's a rare Tuesday night indeed when one of four MPs (Robertson, Watson, Eagle, Corbyn) could theoretically be called to the dispatch box the following day.
We must respect the will of the people, or Nigel Farage will become even more odious in his campaigning
*innocent face*
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We need a democratic process to figure this out, alongside a means of reassuring business and the people.
The political class are just scribbling ideas on bits of paper at present.
A solution which is technically out but not that much different might well appeal to a majority of the electorate, the question is how many of the Leavers are hoping for a much more decisive break and how much trouble will they cause.
Feels like the Tories, by and large, think a deal can be reached on EEA and that a GE can even be avoided. If they avoid the latter, work toward the former, and the world doesn't come crashing down, they won't even need to ask the people again (the main problem with any continued Remain option).
EFTA+EEA is clearly gaining momentum and is an excellent short/medium term solution. Implementing a quota system similar to that of Liechtenstein would keep those wanting restrictions on immigration happy.
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