Meanwhile, out in the real world things are looking bearish.
Nah, it is project fear.
away from the bedwetting in London, here in the Midlands the people I have spoken to today are fairly sanguine
1. they expect a bit of froth and then it will settle down 2. they're fairly unrepentant saying London has ignored us for ages so now they have to sit up 3. they expect HMG ( whats left of it ) will have to now do someting to help the rest of the economy instead of always worrying about the South East or the main parties will get massacred
There's a fair bit of bedwetting taking place in Manchester too.
Only among the AB professionals. If you guys had actually stuck to your guns you wouldn't be in this shit.
1. we're all in it together - we werent 2. march of the makers - nope 3. listen to the people - you didn't
The Westminster bubble has just popped and it was all avoidable.
No - the government could do it on its own initiative though as always, a government's actions are potentially capable of being overriden by parliament and it would be a foolish government that didn't gain the Commons' assent first if it thought the matter may be in doubt.
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may well be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
People on here like nunu speculating about Labour 200- etc etc fail to grasp what is happening here. About know they are utterly doomed under Corbyn so are taking their chance to destroy him. They'll sort the rest out later.
But that's the problem. Whichever way Labour is likely to go, loony left or pro-EU internationalist, the only way is down.
Corbyn can't be around for much longer. Labour know they have the chance to utterly destroy the Tories.
Which Labour? And which Tories?
Once Corbyn is ditched Labour will unite and prove a massively effective force. The Tories are now there for the taking.
that is laughable! how will they unite with the majority of the membership spitting feathers? Corbyn or one of his allies will win any leadership contest with ease.
Nandy vs McDonnell would be great for those who have just ousted Corbyn xD
It will be Nandy vs Corbyn and Corbyn will still win narrowly. I am not sure about the £3 voters. That was a concession last time. It was actually Harriet's decision.
They need a proper heavyweight like Hattie or Tom Watson to step up. Lisa Nandy is 36 and has almost no experience of anything, how anyone thinks she would be the one to unite the party I have no idea.
This is simply astonishing by Corbyn. Good to admit I have some sneaking admiration for his stubborness
Indeed. Reminiscent of Thatcher's "I fight on and i fight to win". Which came immediately before she threw the towel in after her entire cabinet told her the game was up.
Thatcher was intelligent though and did have people around her prepared to tell her the truth. Corbyn lacks both attributes. He is not very bright and surrounds himself with his fellow travellers.
Ironically, the Lib Dems might be the gainers now since they were completely off the news during the last few months.
I think I already asked if anyone was thinking of buying Libdem seats - They are basically the only established UK-wide (ish) party whose support unequivocally voted Remain and I can certainly imagine plenty of Labour voters giving up on the leadership.
Of course this could easily play into the Tories as we get a fractured centre-left opposition - and Labour can enjoy the angst of UKIP - 8 million voters and 40 seats.
As for UKIP - well it depends on what happens in the next 12 months. If clause 50 is triggered then their raison d'etre notionally goes - unless it is felt that 'the establishment' hasn't met the needs of the people. Which is why the (new) Government, for all their posturing about keeping unlimited immigration, had better think of the political consequences.
Corbyn can't be around for much longer. Labour know they have the chance to utterly destroy the Tories.
Which Labour? And which Tories?
Once Corbyn is ditched Labour will unite and prove a massively effective force. The Tories are now there for the taking.
that is laughable! how will they unite with the majority of the membership spitting feathers? Corbyn or one of his allies will win any leadership contest with ease.
Nandy vs McDonnell would be great for those who have just ousted Corbyn xD
McDonnell would never get the nominations. I think Nandy would be someone that the party would unite around. To the left of me, but I'd vote Labour with her in charge. Against Boris or another lying Tory Leaver she'd have a decent chance.
Nandy is only a wee slip of a girl at just 36 years of age. Need someone older with more experience surely?
Cameron was only 39 when he became leader of the opposition.
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may will be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
This is simply astonishing by Corbyn. Good to admit I have some sneaking admiration for his stubborness
The PLP has no authority to unseat the democratically elected leader.
Simple as.
SDP2 their only option IMO
We all know that ends well for the splitters with years of Tory Government,
I guess many of the plotters would prefer that to Corbyn.
That fails to understand how a parliamentary democracy works.
A government can only hold office with the confidence of parliament. A PM can only hold office with the confidence of his MPs (and, in a minority government or coalition, the passive or active support of a sufficient number of MPs of other parties). By extension, the LotO must also retain the confidence of his own MPs. Labour isn't a pressure group, it's a government in waiting and as such must be subject to the same constitutional constraints as the real government.
Don't cloud the issue with facts, David. The Labour far left prefer comfort blanket fantasies.
David Cameron is Caesar. A once noble leader, unsure of his next steps and with enemies lining up to take him down.
Boris Johnson is Pompeii. A once great victor in other fields, now with those glories in the past, seeks to take advantage of Caesar's problems and grab power.
Michael Gove is Brutus. The close Ally of Caesar who will turn on his friend and stab him in the back.
The plot.
With no Augustus in sight, Alaric played by Nicola Sturgeon has turned up 450 years early, the fall of a once great Empire seems certain...
Meanwhile, out in the real world things are looking bearish.
Nah, it is project fear.
away from the bedwetting in London, here in the Midlands the people I have spoken to today are fairly sanguine
1. they expect a bit of froth and then it will settle down 2. they're fairly unrepentant saying London has ignored us for ages so now they have to sit up 3. they expect HMG ( whats left of it ) will have to now do someting to help the rest of the economy instead of always worrying about the South East or the main parties will get massacred
There's a fair bit of bedwetting taking place in Manchester too.
Only among the AB professionals. If you guys had actually stuck to your guns you wouldn't be in this shit.
1. we're all in it together - we werent 2. march of the makers - nope 3. listen to the people - you didn't
The Westminster bubble has just popped and it was all avoidable.
Leavers got what they wanted, now own the results.
People on here like nunu speculating about Labour 200- etc etc fail to grasp what is happening here. About know they are utterly doomed under Corbyn so are taking their chance to destroy him. They'll sort the rest out later.
But that's the problem. Whichever way Labour is likely to go, loony left or pro-EU internationalist, the only way is down.
Whatever happened to Labour being the party of the working man? If they don't even attempt to reconnect with those who just remembered voting again, they are absolutely toast.
Italian bank shares are down 27%. I am sure that this has something to do with Brexit too.
The international markets have been looking increasingly febrile for a while. The uncertainty around how and when Brexit will be implemented (don't think whether is a runner yet) is not helping but international factors are probably the biggest players.
So far as sterling is concerned, choosing him to play against Iceland is just nuts.
according to my brother Deutsche Bank has a big week coming up and the German government is bricking it.
Deutsche Bank is basically RBS x 10... It's going to go and when it does Germany will have to pick up the mess by itself...
1.2 trillion of a problem if my brother is correct, I'm not sure Frankfurt is looking such a great location if that hits.
Corbyn can't be around for much longer. Labour know they have the chance to utterly destroy the Tories.
Which Labour? And which Tories?
Once Corbyn is ditched Labour will unite and prove a massively effective force. The Tories are now there for the taking.
that is laughable! how will they unite with the majority of the membership spitting feathers? Corbyn or one of his allies will win any leadership contest with ease.
Nandy vs McDonnell would be great for those who have just ousted Corbyn xD
McDonnell would never get the nominations. I think Nandy would be someone that the party would unite around. To the left of me, but I'd vote Labour with her in charge. Against Boris or another lying Tory Leaver she'd have a decent chance.
Nandy is only a wee slip of a girl at just 36 years of age. Need someone older with more experience surely?
Cameron was only 39 when he became leader of the opposition.
Italian bank shares are down 27%. I am sure that this has something to do with Brexit too.
The international markets have been looking increasingly febrile for a while. The uncertainty around how and when Brexit will be implemented (don't think whether is a runner yet) is not helping but international factors are probably the biggest players.
So far as sterling is concerned, choosing him to play against Iceland is just nuts.
according to my brother Deutsche Bank has a big week coming up and the German government is bricking it.
Continental banks are in an even worse way than ours. There is a real risk of a repeat of 2008.
Yes, we live in an interconnected world. The globe's fifth largest economy voting to leave one of the globe's biggest single markets was always going to have a major knock-on effect. And what will we end up with as a result of the carnage we have unleashed? Pretty much what we had on 23rd June. But Boris gets to be Prime Minister, so it's all worth it.
Ironically, the Lib Dems might be the gainers now since they were completely off the news during the last few months.
I think I already asked if anyone was thinking of buying Libdem seats - They are basically the only established UK-wide (ish) party whose support unequivocally voted Remain and I can certainly imagine plenty of Labour voters giving up on the leadership.
Of course this could easily play into the Tories as we get a fractured centre-left opposition - and Labour can enjoy the angst of UKIP - 8 million voters and 40 seats.
As for UKIP - well it depends on what happens in the next 12 months. If clause 50 is triggered then their raison d'etre notionally goes - unless it is felt that 'the establishment' hasn't met the needs of the people. Which is why the (new) Government, for all their posturing about keeping unlimited immigration, had better think of the political consequences.
About 30% of LD supporters voted Leave apparently. Whether or not they’ll "Leave" the party as well is a different matter. Farron has made some very good speeches on the stump. Hope he gets tghe chance to make one in the House.
Diana Johnson, Labour MP for Hull North has just resigned.
Resigned as an MP?
No, as a shadow foreign office minister.
This is all happening far too quickly to attempt to keep up with it. 20 resignations now is it? It'll just be JC, McIRA and Diane left by the end of the day!
Indeed, while you were writing that post, MP Ruth Smeeths resigned as a PPS and Roberta Blackman-Woods resigned as shadow housing minister.
LOL. Is no-one here going to get any work done at all today? This is completely bonkers!
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may will be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
I still cannot see Corbyn not winning the leadership contest party-wide. I am not sure if the £3 voters are automatically allowed. But a lot of the new members are Corbynistas.
You disappear at the weekend at exactly the same time as Cameron. You're going to France and guess who is also doing that? A fanatical devotion to Europe? You're Dave, aren't you?
As amusing the current Labour farce is, despite the significance of having an opposition in a time like this, it is really a side show to the more important succession planning of the Government.
Need to replace Cameron with Lord Howard (or someone of similar stature) immediately - new cabinet of Leaver unity to steady the constitutional position of the country and giving the Tory party time to regroup and have a proper leadership race.
Lord Howard couldn't be Prime Minister from the Lords could he?
There's no need for it - Cameron should carry on until a replacement is chosen - but if there was an immediate vacancy, a peer would be a very good choice as an interim PM precisely because that person couldn't then go on to do the job on a permanent basis, wouldn't have that much of a vested interest in the contest's outcome and wouldn't cause the Palace embarrassment at potentially being thought to be interfering in a party election by favouring one candidate.
Meanwhile, out in the real world things are looking bearish.
Nah, it is project fear.
away from the bedwetting in London, here in the Midlands the people I have spoken to today are fairly sanguine
1. they expect a bit of froth and then it will settle down 2. they're fairly unrepentant saying London has ignored us for ages so now they have to sit up 3. they expect HMG ( whats left of it ) will have to now do someting to help the rest of the economy instead of always worrying about the South East or the main parties will get massacred
There's a fair bit of bedwetting taking place in Manchester too.
Only among the AB professionals. If you guys had actually stuck to your guns you wouldn't be in this shit.
1. we're all in it together - we werent 2. march of the makers - nope 3. listen to the people - you didn't
The Westminster bubble has just popped and it was all avoidable.
Leavers got what they wanted, now own the results.
I dont hear anyone moaning up here though I'm told by a friend whose partner works at the BBC up here it's like One Direction had just split again. Tears tanntrums despondancy.
Pound plunges past Friday's lows to 31-year low of $1.3221
Feeling a little sick yet Brexiteers?
Now who's doing Britain down?
The "doing Britain down" meme is just a clumsy way of trying to shut down any criticism of the consequences of Brexit
Yes, the 'doing your country down' thing has always been the last refuge of the political scoundrel.
Ed Balls used it consistently if I recollect as did most of the Labour front bench in Blairs day. Particularly when their errors were being pointed out
If this coup was fully orchestrated with Lisa Nandy lined up as the candidate to rally around, then it would make sense to leave her resignation until last.
So this could be the end of the big gun resignations.
You disappear at the weekend at exactly the same time as Cameron. You're going to France and guess who is also doing that? A fanatical devotion to Europe? You're Dave, aren't you?
Yes I've always been very open about my love of France
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may well be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
Remember that Labour MPs (and MEPs now, I think) nominate the candidates. It's hard to see McDonnell getting the number required.?
If this coup was fully orchestrated with Lisa Nandy lined up as the candidate to rally around, then it would make sense to leave her resignation until last.
So this could be the end of the big gun resignations.
Corbyn can't be around for much longer. Labour know they have the chance to utterly destroy the Tories.
Which Labour? And which Tories?
Once Corbyn is ditched Labour will unite and prove a massively effective force. The Tories are now there for the taking.
that is laughable! how will they unite with the majority of the membership spitting feathers? Corbyn or one of his allies will win any leadership contest with ease.
Nandy vs McDonnell would be great for those who have just ousted Corbyn xD
McDonnell would never get the nominations. I think Nandy would be someone that the party would unite around. To the left of me, but I'd vote Labour with her in charge. Against Boris or another lying Tory Leaver she'd have a decent chance.
Nandy is only a wee slip of a girl at just 36 years of age. Need someone older with more experience surely?
Cameron was only 39 when he became leader of the opposition.
Cameron was (is) on his worst day a thousand times more palatable than Lisa Nandy could ever be.
Only among the AB professionals. If you guys had actually stuck to your guns you wouldn't be in this shit.
1. we're all in it together - we werent 2. march of the makers - nope 3. listen to the people - you didn't
The Westminster bubble has just popped and it was all avoidable.
A lot of truth in that, and then the fools gave the public a chance to kick them up the arse.
Actually it was a vote to decide the future of the UK.
But how can you blame voters for not realising that.
They've had decades of voting, often given dire warnings about how things will be terrible of the Tories or Labour win, how there's only 24 hours to save the NHS, how schools will be privatised under the Tories, how the banks will all leave the country if Labour wins. And however they voted, it made no real difference.
If voters decided to use the vote to kick the teeth of the establishment and felt there would be no consequences, then the blame lies absolutely squarely at the feet of politicians. They made politics work the way it does.
If this coup was fully orchestrated with Lisa Nandy lined up as the candidate to rally around, then it would make sense to leave her resignation until last.
So this could be the end of the big gun resignations.
maybe.
If that has really happened, it was a really organised job. There was no hints given out. Tom Watson was in Glastonbury because apparently there is a very good dentist !
Only among the AB professionals. If you guys had actually stuck to your guns you wouldn't be in this shit.
1. we're all in it together - we werent 2. march of the makers - nope 3. listen to the people - you didn't
The Westminster bubble has just popped and it was all avoidable.
A lot of truth in that, and then the fools gave the public a chance to kick them up the arse.
Actually it was a vote to decide the future of the UK.
But how can you blame voters for not realising that.
They've had decades of voting, often given dire warnings about how things will be terrible of the Tories or Labour win, how there's only 24 hours to save the NHS, how schools will be privatised under the Tories, how the banks will all leave the country if Labour wins.
If voters decided to use the vote to kick the teeth of the establishment and felt there would be no consequences, then the blame lies absolutely squarely at the feet of politicians. They made politics work the way it does.
Lots of truth in that and those screaming about the result were the ones shouting pump up the volume last week.
David Cameron is Caesar. A once noble leader, unsure of his next steps and with enemies lining up to take him down.
Boris Johnson is Pompeii. A once great victor in other fields, now with those glories in the past, seeks to take advantage of Caesar's problems and grab power.
Michael Gove is Brutus. The close Ally of Caesar who will turn on his friend and stab him in the back.
The plot.
With no Augustus in sight, Alaric played by Nicola Sturgeon has turned up 450 years early, the fall of a once great Empire seems certain...
@faisalislam: Worth noting that Michael Gove appears to have stayed behind at Number 10 for at least 40 minutes after Cabinet ended...
Appointed minister for watching it burn?
Went upstairs and apologised to Samantha ?
I'd take a guess that after all the stress, Samantha is probably quite relieved by now.
She'll have her husband back soon, won't face public criticism for sending her children to a good school and will be able to do what she wants to do without having to ask permission from the police a week in advance.
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may well be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
Remember that Labour MPs (and MEPs now, I think) nominate the candidates. It's hard to see McDonnell getting the number required.?
I am confident in saying that 0 Lab MEPs will nominate a man who has contributed to them losing their jobs.
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may will be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
I still cannot see Corbyn not winning the leadership contest party-wide. I am not sure if the £3 voters are automatically allowed. But a lot of the new members are Corbynistas.
I tend to agree, but he might be 'persuaded' not to stand, by his comrades McDonnell and Seamas Milne, in favour of someone equally pure ideologically but not completely and irredeemably useless. Such as, oh, let's see - John McDonnell?
Essentially, blame everything on the useless of Corbyn as a personality, leaving the bat-shit crazy political positioning in place, and allowing the Corbynistsas to feel good about themselves. It should work once at least.
How come he won twice and polls suggested he might well have beaten Khan? (Am not particularly a supporter of Boris, have just always wondered how he pulled off 8 years as Mayor in Labour London and seemed to still be quite popular when he stood down?)
Writing or saying anything against you risks my job, the livelihood of my family, the threats are already rolling in. Turns out when you stand up for what you believe in you are principled; when I do it, I am an opportunist, careerist, Blairite of even a Zionist plotter. Funny that.
It's been a seismic shock for the Establishment. The sort of people they wouldn't be seen dead talking to have voted to leave. How dare they? Why didn't somebody tell them?
They'll calm down. Glad to see that George has admitted they had contingency plans after all. His original claim was either a lie or a dereliction of duty. It was only a lie, but he is a politician so that doesn't count.
Well the way Boris and Gove have turned their backs in two days, I am not surprised. The Osborne machine backing Boris is another revelation !
If Osborne is backing Boris it might make sense -- Boris will want to delegate the hard work (perhaps even more so than Cameron) so Osborne can get on with running the country. (Cf the US Republican Party and Reagan/GWB/Trump).
If voters decided to use the vote to kick the teeth of the establishment and felt there would be no consequences, then the blame lies absolutely squarely at the feet of politicians. They made politics work the way it does.
Exactly, there are an enormous number of people who live in parliamentary seats that aren't marginals, the parties pay them no attention, and frankly they might as well not vote. Along comes Dave with his ludicrous renegotiation and project fear on steroids practically inviting the public to end his career in ignominy. Funnily enough a fair number of people decided that this one-off event was too good a chance to miss.
@faisalislam: Worth noting that Michael Gove appears to have stayed behind at Number 10 for at least 40 minutes after Cabinet ended...
Appointed minister for watching it burn?
Went upstairs and apologised to Samantha ?
I'd take a guess that after all the stress, Samantha is probably quite relieved by now.
She'll have her husband back soon, won't face public criticism for sending her children to a good school and will be able to do what she wants to do without having to ask permission from the police a week in advance.
No more EasyJet flights and going where she likes on holiday.
Seems like the international banking crisis route may offer Boris and co a way out in that the need for certainty might force EU to offer tame associate membership which would be put to a new referendum later in the year.Change but no change. If so Cameron will have to take part in crisis negotiations and may emerge a a savior despite his poor political calculations having taken the planet to that point. That only if the world melts this week.
Alternative will be an almighty EU up yours if they can get through the next week or so and some old scores will be settled with England (and it will be England) getting hammered.
Note the way article 50 (which i never thought would be implemented) moves to insignificance either way.
It's been a seismic shock for the Establishment. The sort of people they wouldn't be seen dead talking to have voted to leave. How dare they? Why didn't somebody tell them?
They'll calm down. Glad to see that George has admitted they had contingency plans after all. His original claim was either a lie or a dereliction of duty. It was only a lie, but he is a politician so that doesn't count.
Hey, you won. It would be nice if you owned up about the £350millios/week to NHS lie, though.
It's hard to keep up, but for the Labour leadership gig, if the moderates do manage to unseat Corbyn, surely we should be looking for betting purposes for someone who doesn't resign? To become next leader, he or she willl need to have votes from people who voted Corbyn last time.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may well be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
Remember that Labour MPs (and MEPs now, I think) nominate the candidates. It's hard to see McDonnell getting the number required.?
I am confident in saying that 0 Lab MEPs will nominate a man who has contributed to them losing their jobs.
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1. we're all in it together - we werent
2. march of the makers - nope
3. listen to the people - you didn't
The Westminster bubble has just popped and it was all avoidable.
If Corbyn is unseated, I still think it may well be McDonnell, but obviously in thie febrile atmosphere it's almost impossible to say. If the sane wing of the party do manage to bring it off, they'll need someone who hasn't angered the Corbynistas.
Wrong.
Of course this could easily play into the Tories as we get a fractured centre-left opposition - and Labour can enjoy the angst of UKIP - 8 million voters and 40 seats.
As for UKIP - well it depends on what happens in the next 12 months. If clause 50 is triggered then their raison d'etre notionally goes - unless it is felt that 'the establishment' hasn't met the needs of the people. Which is why the (new) Government, for all their posturing about keeping unlimited immigration, had better think of the political consequences.
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/747378214511779840
Unfortunately sovereignty doesn't put money in the bank.
Appointed minister for watching it burn?
David Cameron is Caesar. A once noble leader, unsure of his next steps and with enemies lining up to take him down.
Boris Johnson is Pompeii. A once great victor in other fields, now with those glories in the past, seeks to take advantage of Caesar's problems and grab power.
Michael Gove is Brutus. The close Ally of Caesar who will turn on his friend and stab him in the back.
The plot.
With no Augustus in sight, Alaric played by Nicola Sturgeon has turned up 450 years early, the fall of a once great Empire seems certain...
We're just children.
Farron has made some very good speeches on the stump. Hope he gets tghe chance to make one in the House.
You disappear at the weekend at exactly the same time as Cameron. You're going to France and guess who is also doing that? A fanatical devotion to Europe? You're Dave, aren't you?
✔ @bbclaurak
Owen Smith and Lisa Nandy expected to resign now
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If this coup was fully orchestrated with Lisa Nandy lined up as the candidate to rally around, then it would make sense to leave her resignation until last.
So this could be the end of the big gun resignations.
maybe.
They've had decades of voting, often given dire warnings about how things will be terrible of the Tories or Labour win, how there's only 24 hours to save the NHS, how schools will be privatised under the Tories, how the banks will all leave the country if Labour wins. And however they voted, it made no real difference.
If voters decided to use the vote to kick the teeth of the establishment and felt there would be no consequences, then the blame lies absolutely squarely at the feet of politicians. They made politics work the way it does.
George Osborne as Marc Anthony?
She'll have her husband back soon, won't face public criticism for sending her children to a good school and will be able to do what she wants to do without having to ask permission from the police a week in advance.
@BBCVickiYoung: Lisa Nandy and Owen Smith have resigned. Have also ruled themselves out of leadership contest. #labour
Essentially, blame everything on the useless of Corbyn as a personality, leaving the bat-shit crazy political positioning in place, and allowing the Corbynistsas to feel good about themselves. It should work once at least.
Well, Boris can sleep easy again
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/747372253940166656
Should Corbyn fail to resign on that news, it only confirms his utter lack of political nous.
Writing or saying anything against you risks my job, the livelihood of my family, the threats are already rolling in. Turns out when you stand up for what you believe in you are principled; when I do it, I am an opportunist, careerist, Blairite of even a Zionist plotter. Funny that.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/27/brexit-live-george-osborne-economy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet?page=with:block-57710028e4b0be24d34f6485#block-57710028e4b0be24d34f6485
'Can Gove persuade Cameron to un-resign? It worked for Nigel Farage. It would be funny if Corbyn went and Cameron stayed, though no good for my bets.'
Not completely impossible, apparently a lot of pressure on Junker behind the scenes,he's not exactly the flavour of the month.
They'll calm down. Glad to see that George has admitted they had contingency plans after all. His original claim was either a lie or a dereliction of duty. It was only a lie, but he is a politician so that doesn't count.
Lazy bugger.
He's played a blinder I have to say. Tony Benn would be very proud of him.
11.46: Nia Griffith, John Healey and Kate Green are finalising their resignation letters, we understand.
That's almost a full house. Either you backed Corbyn yesterday, or you're resigning.
Alternative will be an almighty EU up yours if they can get through the next week or so and some old scores will be settled with England (and it will be England) getting hammered.
Note the way article 50 (which i never thought would be implemented) moves to insignificance either way.
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/746444207737417728
One thing is clear: before Britain has sent this request there will be no informal preliminary talks about the modalities of leaving.
Only when Britain has made the request according to article 50 will the European Council draw up guidelines in consensus for an exit agreement.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/27/brexit-live-george-osborne-economy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet?page=with:block-5770fdc8e4b030d83eb4a95a#block-5770fdc8e4b030d83eb4a95a