The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
You didn't come here under free-movement within the EU.
When I first arrived here in early 1976, I didn't speak a single word of English!
But that was probably because I was only four months old
Were you already train obsessed?
Something about the pope, and catholicism?
There's always something about the pope and catholicism.....
The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
Could I have that in whiting?
The REMAIN campaign have got no sole!
If LEAVE wins, they'll get a big whelk home.
I'll kipper close eye on the result.
I hope the return of bloater paste is in the kipper Brexit manifesto.
The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
You didn't come here under free-movement within the EU.
When I first arrived here in early 1976, I didn't speak a single word of English!
But that was probably because I was only four months old
Were you already train obsessed?
I got my first trainspotter book for my 5th birthday (Diesels, 1980), also had a bunch of Thomas the Tank Engine books around that time too.
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
You won't have to - I had a green card for 8 years before applying for US Citizenship (I was working at a DOD nuclear facility, so had to). I still have a British passport too. Under both British and US law, dual citizenship is perfectly legal.
The beauty of a Green card is that you can work for whoever you want.
Actually I found out today I've been accepted as a poll worker on election day. So after November's election I'll have been a poll worker in the UK, Canada and the US. Beat that!
The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
You didn't come here under free-movement within the EU.
When I first arrived here in early 1976, I didn't speak a single word of English!
But that was probably because I was only four months old
Were you already train obsessed?
I got my first trainspotter book for my 5th birthday (Diesels, 1980), also had a bunch of Thomas the Tank Engine books around that time too.
I'm surprised your middle names are not Ian Allen.
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
You won't have to - I had a green card for 8 years before applying for US Citizenship (I was working at a DOD nuclear facility, so had to). I still have a British passport too. Under both British and US law, dual citizenship is perfectly legal.
The beauty of a Green card is that you can work for whoever you want.
Actually I found out today I've been accepted as a poll worker on election day. So after November's election I'll have been a poll worker in the UK, Canada and the US. Beat that!
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
What's your field? Considered an EB-1? You can apply at the end of your H1 period. Alien of extraordinary ability. You're talking to one. And I'm still on that and a British passport, no US passport yet.
The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
You didn't come here under free-movement within the EU.
When I first arrived here in early 1976, I didn't speak a single word of English!
But that was probably because I was only four months old
Were you already train obsessed?
I got my first trainspotter book for my 5th birthday (Diesels, 1980), also had a bunch of Thomas the Tank Engine books around that time too.
I'm surprised your middle names are not Ian Allen.
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
You won't have to - I had a green card for 8 years before applying for US Citizenship (I was working at a DOD nuclear facility, so had to). I still have a British passport too. Under both British and US law, dual citizenship is perfectly legal.
The beauty of a Green card is that you can work for whoever you want.
Actually I found out today I've been accepted as a poll worker on election day. So after November's election I'll have been a poll worker in the UK, Canada and the US. Beat that!
Ah, I had thought the US made you revoke all other citizenships, since you have to pledge allegiance to the US in the ceremony. Something to think about, at least!
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
What's your field? Considered an EB-1? You can apply at the end of your H1 period. Alien of extraordinary ability. You're talking to one. And I'm still on that and a British passport, no US passport yet.
Whatever the failings of the CAP, blaming it for poverty elsewhere in the world is pathetic. Are there no consumers outside Europe?
You are showing your ignorance. The CAP has done a huge amount of damage to agriculture in exporting countries. As a 'large country' in economic terms in the agricultural field, EU policy affects world food prices.
This damage has been compounded by food aid the US and EU give through the likes of UNICEF and UNHCR which, by dumping free food in starving countries, under cuts local food prices and drives more farmers from the land exacerbating food shortages even further in the next plenty-famine cycle.
Rather than show your ignorance by your comments, read some economics on the matter. As I have said, the damage of the CAP is well documented in the economic literature. A quick google of "economic harm in developing countries caused by the Common Agricultural Policy" produced a mere 478,000 returns. Read some of them, why don't you?
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
What's your field? Considered an EB-1? You can apply at the end of your H1 period. Alien of extraordinary ability. You're talking to one. And I'm still on that and a British passport, no US passport yet.
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
You won't have to - I had a green card for 8 years before applying for US Citizenship (I was working at a DOD nuclear facility, so had to). I still have a British passport too. Under both British and US law, dual citizenship is perfectly legal.
The beauty of a Green card is that you can work for whoever you want.
Actually I found out today I've been accepted as a poll worker on election day. So after November's election I'll have been a poll worker in the UK, Canada and the US. Beat that!
Ah, I had thought the US made you revoke all other citizenships, since you have to pledge allegiance to the US in the ceremony. Something to think about, at least!
It depends where you are from. Both countries have to allow it. The UK does. Most countries do. The only one I know for sure that doesn't is Norway. So if you're Norwegian - with all that Norwegian charisma - you have to choose one or the other.
“If the result is wrong – and Britain leaves – the fault is entirely David Cameron’s and the Tory Party’s. We have done everything to help Britain, gave them the best possible deal, but it was unrealistic to think they could change minds in three months. Really all we can do now is pray.”
That about sums it up.
If they think they gave us the best possible deal then it really is a good idea we could be leaving - clear.ly we and the Eu have fundamentally different outlooks on the world.
The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
You didn't come here under free-movement within the EU.
When I first arrived here in early 1976, I didn't speak a single word of English!
But that was probably because I was only four months old
Were you already train obsessed?
I got my first trainspotter book for my 5th birthday
Child cruelty right there. I'd have hoped a named person would be told of such a thing today.
Whatever the failings of the CAP, blaming it for poverty elsewhere in the world is pathetic. Are there no consumers outside Europe?
You are showing your ignorance. The CAP has done a huge amount of damage to agriculture in exporting countries. As a 'large country' in economic terms in the agricultural field, EU policy affects world food prices.
This damage has been compounded by food aid the US and EU give through the likes of UNICEF and UNHCR which, by dumping free food in starving countries, under cuts local food prices and drives more farmers from the land exacerbating food shortages even further in the next plenty-famine cycle.
Rather than show your ignorance by your comments, read some economics on the matter. As I have said, the damage of the CAP is well documented in the economic literature. A quick google of "economic harm in developing countries caused by the Common Agricultural Policy" produced a mere 478,000 returns. Read some of them, why don't you?
It's telling that in order to form an argument you immediately need to broaden the issue to US and UN policy too. Agricultural produce is hardly the only economic good subject to price distortion as a result of government policy.
You have to wonder why a sovereign country would allow itself to be the victim of policies like food dumping? Or is being outside the EU not a guarantee of sovereignty?
I have seen many of those get EB-1s by dint of working for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley!
If it interests you, I can help. I used to write EB-1 petitions for a lawyer here for a couple of years. Got about 100 through successfully. I know how it works pretty well, and the buzz words that need to be in the petition. I can message you my contacts if you would like.
I have seen many of those get EB-1s by dint of working for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley!
If it interests you, I can help. I used to write EB-1 petitions for a lawyer here for a couple of years. Got about 100 through successfully. I know how it works pretty well, and the buzz words that need to be in the petition. I can message you my contacts if you would like.
Sure thing, always good to have on record! Although I think a green card application is relatively straightforward for someone on my career path.
Whatever the failings of the CAP, blaming it for poverty elsewhere in the world is pathetic. Are there no consumers outside Europe?
You are showing your ignorance. The CAP has done a huge amount of damage to agriculture in exporting countries. As a 'large country' in economic terms in the agricultural field, EU policy affects world food prices.
This damage has been compounded by food aid the US and EU give through the likes of UNICEF and UNHCR which, by dumping free food in starving countries, under cuts local food prices and drives more farmers from the land exacerbating food shortages even further in the next plenty-famine cycle.
Rather than show your ignorance by your comments, read some economics on the matter. As I have said, the damage of the CAP is well documented in the economic literature. A quick google of "economic harm in developing countries caused by the Common Agricultural Policy" produced a mere 478,000 returns. Read some of them, why don't you?
It's telling that in order to form an argument you immediately need to broaden the issue to US and UN policy too. Agricultural produce is hardly the only economic good subject to price distortion as a result of government policy.
You have to wonder why a sovereign country would allow itself to be the victim of policies like food dumping? Or is being outside the EU not a guarantee of sovereignty?
To argue that the CAP does damage does not require broadening the issue. Read the literature or continue in ignorance, no skin off my nose.
Your argument now is that, because other factors and players also contribute to the harm, we should ignore the harm caused by our own policies. How nice of you.
Why would a sovereign country allow itself to be victim? Corruption and personal enrichment at the expense of the populace.
It's just dawned on me. If we do vote leave, what will happen to Blue Nun imports??
They'll turn green
O/T, but got my H1B application underway today!
The process has changed so much since I went through it 35 years ago. The next step after that is a green card, right?
Happy with your attorney?
Haven't seen the need to get one yet, although may look into it if things get weird. Given my employer deals with H1Bs all the time (a university), I don't suspect there will be too much of a problem.
Permanent residency would be nice, but probably the final stop. I am a loyal subject of HM, and don't think I will ever be able to part with my British passport!
What's your field? Considered an EB-1? You can apply at the end of your H1 period. Alien of extraordinary ability. You're talking to one. And I'm still on that and a British passport, no US passport yet.
I am an alien of mediocre ability
"Somebody said "alien", she thought they said "illegal alien", and signed up!"
I have seen many of those get EB-1s by dint of working for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley!
If it interests you, I can help. I used to write EB-1 petitions for a lawyer here for a couple of years. Got about 100 through successfully. I know how it works pretty well, and the buzz words that need to be in the petition. I can message you my contacts if you would like.
Sure thing, always good to have on record! Although I think a green card application is relatively straightforward for someone on my career path.
Whatever the failings of the CAP, blaming it for poverty elsewhere in the world is pathetic. Are there no consumers outside Europe?
You are showing your ignorance. The CAP has done a huge amount of damage to agriculture in exporting countries. As a 'large country' in economic terms in the agricultural field, EU policy affects world food prices.
This damage has been compounded by food aid the US and EU give through the likes of UNICEF and UNHCR which, by dumping free food in starving countries, under cuts local food prices and drives more farmers from the land exacerbating food shortages even further in the next plenty-famine cycle.
Rather than show your ignorance by your comments, read some economics on the matter. As I have said, the damage of the CAP is well documented in the economic literature. A quick google of "economic harm in developing countries caused by the Common Agricultural Policy" produced a mere 478,000 returns. Read some of them, why don't you?
It's telling that in order to form an argument you immediately need to broaden the issue to US and UN policy too. Agricultural produce is hardly the only economic good subject to price distortion as a result of government policy.
You have to wonder why a sovereign country would allow itself to be the victim of policies like food dumping? Or is being outside the EU not a guarantee of sovereignty?
To argue that the CAP does damage does not require broadening the issue. Read the literature or continue in ignorance, no skin off my nose.
Your argument now is that, because other factors and players also contribute to the harm, we should ignore the harm caused by our own policies. How nice of you.
Why would a sovereign country allow itself to be victim? Corruption and personal enrichment at the expense of the populace.
It's always easier to appeal to authority and accuse anyone playing devil's advocate of ignorance rather than challenge your own worldview. Ironically the very approach derided by people like you in the Brexit debate.
In your last paragraph you identify the real issue.
The UK has been my home for the past 19 years and this is the first time that I have properly started to feel that I am not welcome here. And this sentiment is shared by many of the immigrants I know. It has always been a welcoming, tolerant, open-minded country but now large groups of people who have worked hard and have made a contribution to both the economy (by paying taxes, for instance) and society (by, for example, educating the next British generations) are being made to feel like intruders.
The UK has been my home for just over 40 years and I completely disagree with this person. I shall be voting LEAVE next Thursday.
Sunil, I am glad you feel at home in the UK. Strangely, on my last visit, it was the first time, as a natural born Brit, felt a foreigner in my own home.
As for the article, I really do think the author hit the nail on the head with this:
"Those who have the right to vote on 23 June should definitely do so but they should avoid making their choices based on the “economic truths” that we have been force-fed from both sides of the debate. These “objective truths” can be politically motivated and are, in any case, contingent on multiple internal and external factors, which no one can possibly predict or forecast in advance. The electorate should liberate themselves from the counterproductive scaremongering and contradicting economic forecasts and feel able to make their choices based on what they believe is right, where they believe Britain belongs"
Whatever the failings of the CAP, blaming it for poverty elsewhere in the world is pathetic. Are there no consumers outside Europe?
You are showing your ignorance. The CAP has done a huge amount of damage to agriculture in exporting countries. As a 'large country' in economic terms in the agricultural field, EU policy affects world food prices.
This damage has been compounded by food aid the US and EU give through the likes of UNICEF and UNHCR which, by dumping free food in starving countries, under cuts local food prices and drives more farmers from the land exacerbating food shortages even further in the next plenty-famine cycle.
Rather than show your ignorance by your comments, read some economics on the matter. As I have said, the damage of the CAP is well documented in the economic literature. A quick google of "economic harm in developing countries caused by the Common Agricultural Policy" produced a mere 478,000 returns. Read some of them, why don't you?
It's telling that in order to form an argument you immediately need to broaden the issue to US and UN policy too. Agricultural produce is hardly the only economic good subject to price distortion as a result of government policy.
You have to wonder why a sovereign country would allow itself to be the victim of policies like food dumping? Or is being outside the EU not a guarantee of sovereignty?
To argue that the CAP does damage does not require broadening the issue. Read the literature or continue in ignorance, no skin off my nose.
Your argument now is that, because other factors and players also contribute to the harm, we should ignore the harm caused by our own policies. How nice of you.
Why would a sovereign country allow itself to be victim? Corruption and personal enrichment at the expense of the populace.
It's always easier to appeal to authority and accuse anyone playing devil's advocate of ignorance rather than challenge your own worldview. Ironically the very approach derided by people like you in the Brexit debate.
In your last paragraph you identify the real issue.
One of the real issues. Our policies are re the CAP are another.
And I am not appealing to authority - I have cited no named expert but have pointed you to a vast body of literature. Would you suggest that, if I pointed you to multiple textbooks on physics to learn about gravity, that that would be an appeal to authority? I think not.
I am appealing to you to learn the economics. Again, if you chose not to, no skin off my nose.
I have seen many of those get EB-1s by dint of working for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley!
If it interests you, I can help. I used to write EB-1 petitions for a lawyer here for a couple of years. Got about 100 through successfully. I know how it works pretty well, and the buzz words that need to be in the petition. I can message you my contacts if you would like.
Sure thing, always good to have on record! Although I think a green card application is relatively straightforward for someone on my career path.
Interestingly, neither trust well known Sports people, Entertainers, Journalists or Politicians....
Of course a lot of the 'expert trust' could be 'confirmation bias' - 'Experts' have overwhelmingly endorsed REMAIN, so if I was a LEAVEr my choices are accept their views, or dismiss them.
Interestingly, neither trust well known Sports people, Entertainers, Journalists or Politicians....
Of course a lot of the 'expert trust' could be 'confirmation bias' - 'Experts' have overwhelmingly endorsed REMAIN, so if I was a LEAVEr my choices are accept their views, or dismiss them.
Genuinely surprised they didn't include PB Tories in their ranking. Probably too eminently trustworthy to bother asking
Interestingly, neither trust well known Sports people, Entertainers, Journalists or Politicians....
Of course a lot of the 'expert trust' could be 'confirmation bias' - 'Experts' have overwhelmingly endorsed REMAIN, so if I was a LEAVEr my choices are accept their views, or dismiss them.
Genuinely surprised they didn't include PB Tories in their ranking. Probably too eminently trustworthy to bother asking
These days there are PB Tories and then there are PB Tories, if you follow me. That is with some of them on opposite sides, one cannot be sure what the official PB Tory view is to trust or not.
Gods, it's already getting light outside, curse this insomnia.
Interestingly, neither trust well known Sports people, Entertainers, Journalists or Politicians....
Of course a lot of the 'expert trust' could be 'confirmation bias' - 'Experts' have overwhelmingly endorsed REMAIN, so if I was a LEAVEr my choices are accept their views, or dismiss them.
Genuinely surprised they didn't include PB Tories in their ranking. Probably too eminently trustworthy to bother asking
These days there are PB Tories and then there are PB Tories, if you follow me. That is with some of them on opposite sides, one cannot be sure what the official PB Tory view is to trust or not.
“Ask any lawyer, what we gave Britain was outside the treaties, it’s illegal but we did it to help Britain. Britain got a lot and many others hold a grudge for that; we were more than generous.”
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The beauty of a Green card is that you can work for whoever you want.
Actually I found out today I've been accepted as a poll worker on election day. So after November's election I'll have been a poll worker in the UK, Canada and the US. Beat that!
This damage has been compounded by food aid the US and EU give through the likes of UNICEF and UNHCR which, by dumping free food in starving countries, under cuts local food prices and drives more farmers from the land exacerbating food shortages even further in the next plenty-famine cycle.
Rather than show your ignorance by your comments, read some economics on the matter. As I have said, the damage of the CAP is well documented in the economic literature. A quick google of "economic harm in developing countries caused by the Common Agricultural Policy" produced a mere 478,000 returns. Read some of them, why don't you?
I'm all for options.
You have to wonder why a sovereign country would allow itself to be the victim of policies like food dumping? Or is being outside the EU not a guarantee of sovereignty?
If it interests you, I can help. I used to write EB-1 petitions for a lawyer here for a couple of years. Got about 100 through successfully. I know how it works pretty well, and the buzz words that need to be in the petition. I can message you my contacts if you would like.
Your argument now is that, because other factors and players also contribute to the harm, we should ignore the harm caused by our own policies. How nice of you.
Why would a sovereign country allow itself to be victim? Corruption and personal enrichment at the expense of the populace.
In your last paragraph you identify the real issue.
As for the article, I really do think the author hit the nail on the head with this:
"Those who have the right to vote on 23 June should definitely do so but they should avoid making their choices based on the “economic truths” that we have been force-fed from both sides of the debate. These “objective truths” can be politically motivated and are, in any case, contingent on multiple internal and external factors, which no one can possibly predict or forecast in advance. The electorate should liberate themselves from the counterproductive scaremongering and contradicting economic forecasts and feel able to make their choices based on what they believe is right, where they believe Britain belongs"
And I am not appealing to authority - I have cited no named expert but have pointed you to a vast body of literature. Would you suggest that, if I pointed you to multiple textbooks on physics to learn about gravity, that that would be an appeal to authority? I think not.
I am appealing to you to learn the economics. Again, if you chose not to, no skin off my nose.
Of course a lot of the 'expert trust' could be 'confirmation bias' - 'Experts' have overwhelmingly endorsed REMAIN, so if I was a LEAVEr my choices are accept their views, or dismiss them.
Gods, it's already getting light outside, curse this insomnia.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643379/Undercover-police-officer-recorded-Muslim-extremists-calling-gay-people-thrown-building-secret-ISIS-support-meetings-garden.html
We just don't yet know which ones they are.......
So they admit that what they gave us was unlawful, how are we supposed to believe it won't get thrown out by the ECJ soon after a remain vote?
Basically we recognise this as a crappy tribute band version of our referendum.