Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
It is the reality that some people live in, Mr Alistair. Just as there is not one infinity, there is not one reality. In fact there are an almost infinite number of realities because we all experience life in our own way.
We this on here every day, what seems blatantly obvious and common sense to one poster is completely bonkers (i.e. incomprehensible) to another.
Ask someone who gets one how much they got paid last week.
I have never heard somebody say my net pay after Gross pay - tax + tax credits + return on investments etc etc etc. Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand), but everybody these days quote the gross figure.
Quite. Talking of "post truth politics" is just so much wank...
The £350m is as real as Trump's wall, and people will be just as unhappy if it doesn't materialise
There is already a wall between the US and Mexico ! Trump will just build it bigger and extend it the full way. Nailed on if he becomes Pres.
The £350m figure is real enough, however if I have a pay cut from £2000 a month to £1990 a month and I stop my subscription to a monthly magazine for £3.50 a month then I'm no better off... It doesn't stop the £3.50 sub being "real" though ^_~
UK manufacturing set to boom as new opportunities in UK markets open up for UK firms.
£100m annual UK balance of payment deficit eliminated at a stroke.
Schauble making an unhelpful intervention for the in camp. If Obama couldn't convince people to vote remain then I'm pretty certain that a german politician has even less chance. I'm also quite sure that the chairman of BMW is on the phone with Angela right now asking for an explanation!
Ask someone who gets one how much they got paid last week.
I have never heard somebody say my net pay after Gross pay - tax + tax credits + return on investments etc etc etc. Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand), but most people these days quote the gross figure.
That Scott is wasting so many pixels on this shows how pathetic this line of argument is. It's up there with Osborne Cries At Funeral.
When people talk about their salaries, they say: "I'm on £50k" (or whatever). They don't tend to say: "I'm on £35k after tax".
I dunno..plenty of people say I take home such and such an amount. The silly thing is it's such a huge amount of money net that it would've had the same effect to quote that figure.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Are you sure the server wasn't humouring him and trying to move him on?
Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand)
Exactly. A paypacket. A packet, full of cash money. Nett.
Tbh, I think Vote Leave should use the net figure (after rebate) rather than the gross one.
That said, I can see how using the gross figure fits in with the mantra of "Take Control" given that the rebate element is regularly up for review. It strikes me as being extremely unlikely to endure after a vote to Remain, not least because of the relative poverty levels of the next five countries expected to join the EU.
I think there is a tendency to dramatically over-estimate the chances of Sarkozy being the Les Republicains candidate next year. In particular, there is a view that (a) because he created Les Republicains then he's in poll position to be their Presidential candidate, and (b) that he might run as independent if not the nominee.
The Les Republicains are running an open primary on 20 November. If no candidate gets 50% of the vote, there will be a run-off a week later. There are a dozen potential candidates, but the real choice boils down to one of about three: Sarkozy (who has not actually announced he is standing), Juppe (who has announced), Le Marie and Fillon.
There has been very extensive polling, and it looks like Juppe will score around 40% in the first round, about 15% clear of Sarkozy. The polls have been pretty static for around a year (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republicans_(France)_presidential_primary,_2016#First_Round). It's very hard to see - absent a major scandal - any result other than Juppe first, Sarkozy second in the first round.
In the second round, Juppe absolutely thumps Sarkozy. The smallest lead Juppe has racked up this year was 18%, and most polls put his advantage at 25% or more.
Indeed, one of the reasons that Sarkozy has not even declared himself as a candidate is because he doesn't want to get hammered by Juppe. (My friends in France suggest a deal is possible where Sarkozy becomes PM under Juppe.)
What does this mean for the Presidential election?
The answer is that it means President Juppe. The Ipsos poll from May 22 had Juppe leading Le Pen 35% to 28% in the first round; BVA two weeks earlier had him on 38% to her 25%.
The second round polls show him beating her by 2:1 or more. The latest poll had the result as 70:30.
Juppe's odds are significantly longer with the bookmakers (888, Unibet and 32Red) than with Betfair. You can get 6/4. Take it.
The primary will have a small turnout of mainly party loyalists, I would not count Sarkozy out yet and as it is an Open primary if Sarkozy fails to win he will claim it is because of Socialist infiltrators and run as an independent in round 1 as Balladur did in 1995. Do not be mistaken, Sarkozy sees himself as the saviour of France and has a Napoleonic ego
Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand)
Exactly. A paypacket. A packet, full of cash money. Nett.
But on the flip side...people look at their pay slip and say shit I paid x in tax...they don't then say well yes but I got tax credits of x, plus a this and that was tax exempt etc etc etc. They just say I paid £x in income tax.
Basically you analogy is about as good as your answer to the Monty Hall problem.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand)
Exactly. A paypacket. A packet, full of cash money. Nett.
But on the flip side...people look at their pay slip and say shit I paid x in tax...they don't then say well yes but I got tax credits of x, plus a this and that was tax exempt etc etc etc. They just say I paid £x in income tax.
Basically you analogy is about as good as your answer to the Monty Hall problem.
Do you need a sprog to have these mythical "tax credits" ? Never seen them on my paypacket !
Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand)
Exactly. A paypacket. A packet, full of cash money. Nett.
But on the flip side...people look at their pay slip and say shit I paid x in tax...they don't then say well yes but I got tax credits of x, plus a this and that was tax exempt etc etc etc. They just say I paid £x in income tax.
Basically you analogy is about as good as your answer to the Monty Hall problem.
Do you need a sprog to have these mythical "tax credits" ? Never seen them on my paypacket !
When people talk about their salaries, they say: "I'm on £50k" (or whatever). They don't tend to say: "I'm on £35k after tax".
I dunno..plenty of people say I take home such and such an amount. The silly thing is it's such a huge amount of money net that it would've had the same effect to quote that figure.
No - because Remain keeps saying 'it's not £350m it's £280m' [or whatever] and people still see that as a lot
Jobs are advertised on a gross pay basis, people talk in a gross pay basis and GDP I'd a gross figure (it's in the title). Using the gross figure is acceptable, though I think it's fair to include the rebate, but exlude EU grants and spending since the government may have different priorities.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
Just out of interest, how many people on your working group are over 60, i.e.old enough to remember life before the UK joined the EEC? How many are old enough to remember the EEC come to that?
The chair and his deputy are old enough to have voted. No one else is I think.
Thanks, sounds like you Chair needs to smack people around the head a bit more.
I have an undeveloped theory that people who have grown up under a system are much more resistant to change because they have never known anything else and struggle to imagine life/politics being different, especially if their knowledge of history is shaky.
I wonder why the BBC put Izzard next to Farage? If you wanted a good debate, I would have thought putting them as far apart as possible would have been sensible.
I have never seen Farage looking more sensible and statesmanlike than he did last night, sitting next to Izzard. Then again, my dog would have looked sensible and statesmanlike sitting next to Izzard last night.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
From the Jews backing "remain" in an Edinburgh cafe to worries over Arsenal's signings... with considerations like that who knows how this vote will go !
Jobs are advertised on a gross pay basis, people talk in a gross pay basis and GDP I'd a gross figure (it's in the title). Using the gross figure is acceptable, though I think it's fair to include the rebate, but exlude EU grants and spending since the government may have different priorities.
Gross pay is well below the total outlay to employ someone once you factor in employer's NI.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
From the Jews backing "remain" in an Edinburgh cafe to worries over Arsenal's signings... with considerations like that who knows how this vote will go !
I want Wenger to come out for Remain. That'll get Arsenal fans voting to Leave!
I wonder why the BBC put Izzard next to Farage? If you wanted a good debate, I would have thought putting them as far apart as possible would have been sensible.
I have never seen Farage looking more sensible and statesmanlike than he did last night, sitting next to Izzard. Then again, my dog would have looked sensible and statesmanlike sitting next to Izzard last night.
My point was they obviously hoped for fireworks and they sort of got them, from a ranting idiot in a beret rather than their favourite bogey man.
4 years time and Izzard is extremely likely to be an elected official...and with that thought I have to leave..
Galliard are property developer in London (I have no interest in them) so presumably are trying to reassure people that they can pay their over-inflated prices for said property.
Nothing will happen post June 24th in the London property market in 10 days post Brexit - and anyway there is a 14-day cooling off period most likely - so this is just puffing services.
These threads are getting longer - presumably because OGH/ TSE are finding it harder and harder to produce pro-remain articles.
Bless, I think you'll find the volume of comments has increased, I'm sticking to my usual three threads a day Monday to Friday schedule, new threads generally go up at 5am, 2pm, and circa 8.30pm
Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand)
Exactly. A paypacket. A packet, full of cash money. Nett.
But on the flip side...people look at their pay slip and say shit I paid x in tax...they don't then say well yes but I got tax credits of x, plus a this and that was tax exempt etc etc etc. They just say I paid £x in income tax.
Basically you analogy is about as good as your answer to the Monty Hall problem.
Almost every 25-50k job in the future will essentially have the pay reduced from ~ 0 to ~ 5% or so, at least for graduate fills and the effectively infinite loan paybacks - has anyone done any research into the economic effect of that ?
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
From the Jews backing "remain" in an Edinburgh cafe to worries over Arsenal's signings... with considerations like that who knows how this vote will go !
I want Wenger to come out for Remain. That'll get Arsenal fans voting to Leave!
He already has, he signed a letter to such effect.
When people talk about their salaries, they say: "I'm on £50k" (or whatever). They don't tend to say: "I'm on £35k after tax".
I dunno..plenty of people say I take home such and such an amount. The silly thing is it's such a huge amount of money net that it would've had the same effect to quote that figure.
No - because Remain keeps saying 'it's not £350m it's £280m' [or whatever] and people still see that as a lot
Yes. That's what my sister's reaction was when I told her that it was more like £200m per week. Remain are doing the work for Leave when it comes to the cost of membership. I honestly didn't think it would be such a big deal, the public are so jaded with big numbers and mega deficits that £10bn, £14bn or £17bn wouldn't make much difference, but remain have played it so badly that the £350m figure gas reached a critical mass.
The debate was B team so what do you expect? Plus not one head to head between Cameron and Farage, even Scotland had two Salmond v Darling head to heads
I'd love to see Juncker v Farage.
Apparently they get on quite well despite their differences politically, both boozers with a sense of humour, Farage certainly has a better personal relationship with Juncker than Cameron
Back in the day when people got paid cash at the end of the week, people talked about take home pay a lot more (because that is what they physically had in their hand)
Exactly. A paypacket. A packet, full of cash money. Nett.
But on the flip side...people look at their pay slip and say shit I paid x in tax...they don't then say well yes but I got tax credits of x, plus a this and that was tax exempt etc etc etc. They just say I paid £x in income tax.
Basically you analogy is about as good as your answer to the Monty Hall problem.
Almost every 25-50k job in the future will essentially have the pay reduced from ~ 0 to ~ 5% or so, at least for graduate fills and the effectively infinite loan paybacks - has anyone done any research into the economic effect of that ?
I am certain there will be real effects of a "Capped graduate tax", which is what we have now.
Jobs are advertised on a gross pay basis, people talk in a gross pay basis and GDP I'd a gross figure (it's in the title). Using the gross figure is acceptable, though I think it's fair to include the rebate, but exlude EU grants and spending since the government may have different priorities.
Gross pay is well below the total outlay to employ someone once you factor in employer's NI.
@weejonnie I can only speak for myself but I have been very busy with work. I have provided TSE with a possible article for his consideration, but it's not time-critical.
Again, I can only speak for myself, but I don't sit down with the idea of writing a pro-Remain article. I sit down with the idea of writing an article, preferably on an aspect that hasn't previously been covered (here or elsewhere).
When people talk about their salaries, they say: "I'm on £50k" (or whatever). They don't tend to say: "I'm on £35k after tax".
I dunno..plenty of people say I take home such and such an amount. The silly thing is it's such a huge amount of money net that it would've had the same effect to quote that figure.
I offer PPI (or STIP) and one figure I need to know is gross income - it is amazing how many people don't know it.
Ask someone who gets one how much they got paid last week.
Couldn't care less. Your argument now is reduced to claiming people are idiots. The gross figure is perfectly legitimate. And I have only ever known people who are hourly paid to quote the gross figure.
If you're claiming that we shouldn't use a gross figure because some people don't then you're a moron. Jobs everywhere are advertised and quoted in gross figures. I hope you call then up and harangue them for that.
The debate was B team so what do you expect? Plus not one head to head between Cameron and Farage, even Scotland had two Salmond v Darling head to heads
Give it a couple of weeks and Top Gear will be wishing for those kind of viewing figures...
It will soon be facing the Amazon Prime originals too
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
From the Jews backing "remain" in an Edinburgh cafe to worries over Arsenal's signings... with considerations like that who knows how this vote will go !
I want Wenger to come out for Remain. That'll get Arsenal fans voting to Leave!
He already has, he signed a letter to such effect.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Michael Howard is Jewish and backs Leave as does Nigel Lawson
I don't think that argument would wash with the conspiraloons. They can work backwards from anything that happens to explain how it was planned by dark forces.
I even heard one loony theory that Donald Trump was 'the chosen one' by the shadowy establishment.
Yes well if you are looking for a conspiracy you will find one
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
Just out of interest, how many people on your working group are over 60, i.e.old enough to remember life before the UK joined the EEC? How many are old enough to remember the EEC come to that?
The chair and his deputy are old enough to have voted. No one else is I think.
Thanks, sounds like you Chair needs to smack people around the head a bit more.
I have an undeveloped theory that people who have grown up under a system are much more resistant to change because they have never known anything else and struggle to imagine life/politics being different, especially if their knowledge of history is shaky.
Groupthink is one of the major issues in the City, IMO. If you look around out office it's literally a bunch of 20-30 somethings who think drinking prosecco in Turin is a normal weekend. Everyone is incredibly sharp and clearly very smart, but people fall into a way of thinking that leads to a sort of sclerosis.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
Just out of interest, how many people on your working group are over 60, i.e.old enough to remember life before the UK joined the EEC? How many are old enough to remember the EEC come to that?
The chair and his deputy are old enough to have voted. No one else is I think.
Thanks, sounds like you Chair needs to smack people around the head a bit more.
I have an undeveloped theory that people who have grown up under a system are much more resistant to change because they have never known anything else and struggle to imagine life/politics being different, especially if their knowledge of history is shaky.
Groupthink is one of the major issues in the City, IMO. If you look around out office it's literally a bunch of 20-30 somethings who think drinking prosecco in Turin is a normal weekend. Everyone is incredibly sharp and clearly very smart, but people fall into a way of thinking that leads to a sort of sclerosis.
That reminds me, following our brief exchange yesterday, I cracked open the royal vaults and bought 'Journey to Altmortis'. Enjoying it very much so far, though I do feel I'm missing a prequel - is it part of a series?
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
Just out of interest, how many people on your working group are over 60, i.e.old enough to remember life before the UK joined the EEC? How many are old enough to remember the EEC come to that?
The chair and his deputy are old enough to have voted. No one else is I think.
Thanks, sounds like you Chair needs to smack people around the head a bit more.
I have an undeveloped theory that people who have grown up under a system are much more resistant to change because they have never known anything else and struggle to imagine life/politics being different, especially if their knowledge of history is shaky.
Groupthink is one of the major issues in the City, IMO. If you look around out office it's literally a bunch of 20-30 somethings who think drinking prosecco in Turin is a normal weekend. Everyone is incredibly sharp and clearly very smart, but people fall into a way of thinking that leads to a sort of sclerosis.
Sometimes recognising groupthink in others can be a dangerous place to be because it gives you a feeling that you are immune to the same tendencies or gives you a knee-jerk reaction that whatever the group thinks must be wrong, just because their reasons for thinking it might be faulty.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
Just out of interest, how many people on your working group are over 60, i.e.old enough to remember life before the UK joined the EEC? How many are old enough to remember the EEC come to that?
The chair and his deputy are old enough to have voted. No one else is I think.
Thanks, sounds like you Chair needs to smack people around the head a bit more.
I have an undeveloped theory that people who have grown up under a system are much more resistant to change because they have never known anything else and struggle to imagine life/politics being different, especially if their knowledge of history is shaky.
Groupthink is one of the major issues in the City, IMO. If you look around out office it's literally a bunch of 20-30 somethings who think drinking prosecco in Turin is a normal weekend. Everyone is incredibly sharp and clearly very smart, but people fall into a way of thinking that leads to a sort of sclerosis.
There's a related but separate story called Bane of Souls (only Thaddeus Falchester is a major character in both, although Lynette, Pierre, Fritigern and Roger have smaller roles). I did toy with the idea of putting them together as a duology, but thought they were stand-alone enough not to.
Incidentally, I'm writing a trilogy set in the same world. The first part is essentially done and I've largely finished the second (when part 2 is more or less complete, if everything else is in place, I'll release the opening part of the trilogy).
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
@haveigotnews: Criminals flood in from across the Channel. "They have no respect for our laws," said a Marseille policeman ahead of England's first game.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
You should go back to him and show him the following links:
I know that Leave's £350m doesn't bear entire scrutiny.
But do you admit that Remain's £4300 is also a crock of shit?
They are not of course comparable figures.
Remain have made an estimate for some years hence. Whether it is accurate or not is a topic for debate, but it's not provably false.
Leave's number is a concrete lie, and they know it, and don't care.
That is the point about post truth politics.
Normally you would expect different sides to make different estimates, debate the merits of models, forecasts, policies and comparisons.
Here a flat lie is presented as fact, and compounded with a series of additional promises predicated on the lie. No debate, no nuance. Flat lie, defended to the hilt.
"not provably false" that EVERY family, equally, will be an amount of money worse off?
It is utter nonsense. Different people will be affected differently! Leave's case is that eventually on average we may even be BETTER off. But they haven't been so brazen as to guess a number for that year ahead.
The £350M number is misleading, sure, but it is real, and whingeing that is really "only" about £180M or whatever, and that we in some way get the other money back, albeit we have to spend much of it on things the EU decides for us, is not a strong argument to say the least.
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
The UK government did not exactly promise Scotland a free hamper and champagne if it voted for independence either
That clip from the Victoria Derbyshire debate is like a Chris Morris parody. Real-life Nathan Barley stuff with the two hipsters from remain. 'A musician and a comedian' - oh god.
I'd like to see how that young man fares after his gap-20s are over and he has decided he wants to start a family but can't get much of a mortgage on a minimum wage job. I suppose when that happens there is always mummy and daddy for help with a deposit for a house and a connection for a cushy management job.
I doubt you'd get a better vignette of old left values of looking after the working poor versus the new left-progressives, I like diversity and hummus, than in that short clip.
Marvelous thanks for posting.
Great post btw. I think the clash between old left and new left is fascinating and growing, just like the clash between shire aristocratic Tories and modernisers inflamed during the noughties.
Politics is changing rapidly, and it's getting harder to find a comfy political fit with a traditional party these days.
Thanks. I agree completely and I find it hard to know which party, if any, my beliefs fit into.
I'm youngish (30) and have voted Tory in the last two elections, unlike the vast majority of my peers. I consider the family, civic society and the nation state paramount in generating happiness, success and prosperity.
Without trying to virtue signal, I care deeply that in this country people can go out and work hard each week in pretty crappy jobs and yet they don't have the dignity to come home with a pay packet/slip that can support their family.
I want that solving, through long-term investment in skills and training, not short-term fixes like tax-credits. Open borders with 500m from Europe prevents that investment from occurring and destroys the incentive to do so. The Marxist critique of capitalism, that a reserve army of labour drives down wages and benefits those with capital, is correct in this instance. It is particularly harsh for those at the bottom end. I care about those people. The nation state has a duty to protect its citizens like this.
I probably share more of the values of John Mann and Frank Field than the likes of Osborne or Amber Rudd. What to do?
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
Well if you're going to invoke the Nazis...
We declared war on behalf of the Poles when they were threatened with tyranny in 1939. Then when they were finally liberated 50 years later and completed the process of rejoining free Europe within the EU we, uniquely, were the only major country to immediately allow free movement to our shores. What does it say about the honour of a country which then withdraws from Europe because too many of them took up our offer?
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
Eddie Lizard? In a beret?
It was a dreadful sight. His make up was rubbish too.
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
From the Jews backing "remain" in an Edinburgh cafe to worries over Arsenal's signings... with considerations like that who knows how this vote will go !
I want Wenger to come out for Remain. That'll get Arsenal fans voting to Leave!
He already has, he signed a letter to such effect.
can we ignore the Bosman ruling if we leave then ?
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
When people talk about their salaries, they say: "I'm on £50k" (or whatever). They don't tend to say: "I'm on £35k after tax".
I dunno..plenty of people say I take home such and such an amount. The silly thing is it's such a huge amount of money net that it would've had the same effect to quote that figure.
No - because Remain keeps saying 'it's not £350m it's £280m' [or whatever] and people still see that as a lot
When Leadsom reverted to using the net figure of £10bn a year last night, the Remain campaign (Sturgeon), couldn't really dispute that. So Remain resorted to telling porkies. "We get ten times as much back as we pay in" was a real whopper from Sturgeon immediately after Leadsom had mentioned the £10bn.
The only ten times figure that should be mentioned in relation to the UK's contribution to the EU budget is that for every £1 (net) the UK contributes to the EU budget, the EU sells us £10 more in goods and services than we sell them. (That is, the UK's trade deficit with the EU in 2015 was about £100bn.)
@haveigotnews: Criminals flood in from across the Channel. "They have no respect for our laws," said a Marseille policeman ahead of England's first game.
Well if France left the EU they could impose border controls......
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
Eddie Lizard? In a beret?
It was a dreadful sight. His make up was rubbish too.
His lipstick did nothing for him - totally the wrong shade for his complexion. It was competing with his face - a classic mistake.
That clip from the Victoria Derbyshire debate is like a Chris Morris parody. Real-life Nathan Barley stuff with the two hipsters from remain. 'A musician and a comedian' - oh god.
I'd like to see how that young man fares after his gap-20s are over and he has decided he wants to start a family but can't get much of a mortgage on a minimum wage job. I suppose when that happens there is always mummy and daddy for help with a deposit for a house and a connection for a cushy management job.
I doubt you'd get a better vignette of old left values of looking after the working poor versus the new left-progressives, I like diversity and hummus, than in that short clip.
Marvelous thanks for posting.
Great post btw. I think the clash between old left and new left is fascinating and growing, just like the clash between shire aristocratic Tories and modernisers inflamed during the noughties.
Politics is changing rapidly, and it's getting harder to find a comfy political fit with a traditional party these days.
Thanks. I agree completely and I find it hard to know which party, if any, my beliefs fit into.
I'm youngish (30) and have voted Tory in the last two elections, unlike the vast majority of my peers. I consider the family, civic society and the nation state paramount in generating happiness, success and prosperity.
Without trying to virtue signal, I care deeply that in this country people can go out and work hard each week in pretty crappy jobs and yet they don't have the dignity to come home with a pay packet/slip that can support their family.
I want that solving, through long-term investment in skills and training, not short-term fixes like tax-credits. Open borders with 500m from Europe prevents that investment from occurring and destroys the incentive to do so. The Marxist critique of capitalism, that a reserve army of labour drives down wages and benefits those with capital, is correct in this instance. It is particularly harsh for those at the bottom end. I care about those people. The nation state has a duty to protect its citizens like this.
I probably share more of the values of John Mann and Frank Field than the likes of Osborne or Amber Rudd. What to do?
The £350M number is misleading, sure, but it is real
So the day after Brexit, Simon Stevens rock up to Downing Street and says where's my cheque for £350m, what is BoZo going to say to him, and people who voted for it?
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
Eddie Lizard? In a beret?
It's the new EU Army uniform.
To be fair that probably really would scare Putin...
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
The UK government did not exactly promise Scotland a free hamper and champagne if it voted for independence either
England didn't threaten to stop doing business with Scotland as "punishment", though.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
Eddie Lizard? In a beret?
It was a dreadful sight. His make up was rubbish too.
His lipstick did nothing for him - totally the wrong shade for his complexion. It was competing with his face - a classic mistake.
That clip from the Victoria Derbyshire debate is like a Chris Morris parody. Real-life Nathan Barley stuff with the two hipsters from remain. 'A musician and a comedian' - oh god.
I'd like to see how that young man fares after his gap-20s are over and he has decided he wants to start a family but can't get much of a mortgage on a minimum wage job. I suppose when that happens there is always mummy and daddy for help with a deposit for a house and a connection for a cushy management job.
I doubt you'd get a better vignette of old left values of looking after the working poor versus the new left-progressives, I like diversity and hummus, than in that short clip.
Marvelous thanks for posting.
Great post btw. I think the clash between old left and new left is fascinating and growing, just like the clash between shire aristocratic Tories and modernisers inflamed during the noughties.
Politics is changing rapidly, and it's getting harder to find a comfy political fit with a traditional party these days.
Thanks. I agree completely and I find it hard to know which party, if any, my beliefs fit into.
I'm youngish (30) and have voted Tory in the last two elections, unlike the vast majority of my peers. I consider the family, civic society and the nation state paramount in generating happiness, success and prosperity.
Without trying to virtue signal, I care deeply that in this country people can go out and work hard each week in pretty crappy jobs and yet they don't have the dignity to come home with a pay packet/slip that can support their family.
I want that solving, through long-term investment in skills and training, not short-term fixes like tax-credits. Open borders with 500m from Europe prevents that investment from occurring and destroys the incentive to do so. The Marxist critique of capitalism, that a reserve army of labour drives down wages and benefits those with capital, is correct in this instance. It is particularly harsh for those at the bottom end. I care about those people. The nation state has a duty to protect its citizens like this.
I probably share more of the values of John Mann and Frank Field than the likes of Osborne or Amber Rudd. What to do?
I think I'm very similar, and was making the same argument re the poorly paid on Whatsapp with old friends. I think I convinced one person, but some clearly feel the nation state owes no particular duty to its own citizens; to do so is discriminatory.
Guy ahead of me in the café buying lunch just casually mentioned he is a Leaver and one main reason is that The Jews want us to stay in.
What the fucking hell, what shit is this? It kind of put me in a daze, I didn't think I'd heard him right until he started talking about he Rothschild's and how they want only two currencies and eventually one. And the guy serving him was totally agreeing with him.
Bonkers. What reality is this?
Antisemitism linked to anticapitalism seems to be all the rage in certain circles these days.
Everyone knows it's the Lizards, not the Jews. Just ask David Icke (who supports OUT).
Eddie Lizard? In a beret?
It's the new EU Army uniform.
To be fair that probably really would scare Putin...
I'm surprised that no one has discussed the referendum with @rcs1000 other than @Charles.
I attended three business meetings yesterday. None related to the referendum. All three diverted onto lengthy discussions about it. I didn't do the diverting in any of the three cases.
Same here - I was asked about it by an Australian client earlier this week
Sounds easy, I'm in the Brexit working group, literally every day is like a nightmarish version of PB where we have a group of people spouting vapid bilge which we need to turn into gold for our managers.
Sounds like an average day on PB :-)
Yesterday we had one person say that the EU would reintroduce visitor visas for tourists. It's real head in your hands stuff sometimes.
A lad I know was backing remain as he was worried that it may affect who Arsenal could sign. I patiently explained that Brexit wouldn't change this. His girlfriend was hopping up and down saying ' I've been telling you that all along, why don't you listen to me!' he is now undecided
From the Jews backing "remain" in an Edinburgh cafe to worries over Arsenal's signings... with considerations like that who knows how this vote will go !
I want Wenger to come out for Remain. That'll get Arsenal fans voting to Leave!
He already has, he signed a letter to such effect.
can we ignore the Bosman ruling if we leave then ?
We can as presumably we aren't bound by the ECJ rulings any more. But I suspect that players would insist on something in their contract - and we used to have transfer tribunals to ensure a fair payment. No doubt a suitable British compromise will be worked out.
Your problem is that you lack hatred. You've got to really, really, hate the Romans to join Jezza's Brigade. Frank Field is a good choice. A man with a conscience and principles and therefore with no future in the Labour Party.
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
The UK government did not exactly promise Scotland a free hamper and champagne if it voted for independence either
England didn't threaten to stop doing business with Scotland as "punishment", though.
Neither has Schauble, he has just promised tough negotiations over a BREXIT deal, pretty much as the UK government did regarding a Yes win in Scotland
can we ignore the Bosman ruling if we leave then ?
I haven't got the time to look into this in any depth, so please check with others who know what they're talking about, but yes, I think means exactly that. The Bosman ruling was from the European Court of Justice interpreting how a rule in whichever-bloody-Treaty. If we leave the EU then we are no longer bound by the ECJ (have I got that right?) and no longer signatories to the treaty.
So if I have that right, then yes Brexit means the clubs are no longer bound by Bosman.
So (again, if I have that right), Brexit does affect who Arsenal can sign.
Just flicking through QT from last night...couple of interesting things.
Eddie Izzard tried to deploy but but but Obama says we should stay and there was a huge audience laugh at that suggestion, which he then had to finish with but but but but Trump.
He later tried to deploy the "Little Englander" and it totally incensed some members of the audience...I think it might be backfiring in the way Mrs Bucket and her white van man / England flag did.
Both of the above are examples of where the Metro elite don't understand the rest of Britain. Obama is not a massive cult hero to them and that calling people a Little Englander i.e. code for thick racist, doesn't go down well, as the vast majority of people in the UK aren't and are very tolerant in general.
Wait, are your sure because we definitely had a whole bunch of people saying that the in campaign had focus grouped the line and that it was bullet proof. Are you really suggesting that calling middle England Tories "little Englanders" is backfiring, well I never would have predicted that one.
It certainly won't go down well in Provincial England, which is why I think Remain have written off Provincial England, and are aiming to maximise turnout in Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Core Cities.
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
The UK government did not exactly promise Scotland a free hamper and champagne if it voted for independence either
England didn't threaten to stop doing business with Scotland as "punishment", though.
Neither has Schauble, he has just promised tough negotiations over a BREXIT deal, pretty much as the UK government did regarding a Yes win in Scotland
Something like this?
DE: Oi, if you are not nice to us, you won't be able to buy our cars anymore.
@brianmlucey: @lindayueh Schauble v clear that the union has to inflict massive pain on any departing state to contain political contagion. Brexit
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
Threatening us now. They are mad. It didnt work in 1940 and it will be just as counteeproductive now.
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
The UK government did not exactly promise Scotland a free hamper and champagne if it voted for independence either
England didn't threaten to stop doing business with Scotland as "punishment", though.
Neither has Schauble, he has just promised tough negotiations over a BREXIT deal, pretty much as the UK government did regarding a Yes win in Scotland
Something like this?
DE: Oi, if you are not nice to us, you won't be able to buy our cars anymore.
GB: *shrugs*
DE: Hey, start being nice to us.
GB: *looks at cheaper prices from the world*
DE: Ok, ok. You can buy from us.
German industry didn't get where it is by competing on price.
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We this on here every day, what seems blatantly obvious and common sense to one poster is completely bonkers (i.e. incomprehensible) to another.
The £350m figure is real enough, however if I have a pay cut from £2000 a month to £1990 a month and I stop my subscription to a monthly magazine for £3.50 a month then I'm no better off...
It doesn't stop the £3.50 sub being "real" though ^_~
People on salaries of £50k talk about gross.
People who get weekly paypackets talk about how much is in them (nett).
Clearly I am in a minority here as someone who has actually received pay in a packet.
https://twitter.com/JonesTheMarkets/status/741236534213509120
If someone is on say £10 an hour before tax then they will generally say they are on £10 an hour. Even if the net figure has tax removed.
That said, I can see how using the gross figure fits in with the mantra of "Take Control" given that the rebate element is regularly up for review. It strikes me as being extremely unlikely to endure after a vote to Remain, not least because of the relative poverty levels of the next five countries expected to join the EU.
My favourite bit of that statement is "Limited to two contracts per person"
Basically you analogy is about as good as your answer to the Monty Hall problem.
I have an undeveloped theory that people who have grown up under a system are much more resistant to change because they have never known anything else and struggle to imagine life/politics being different, especially if their knowledge of history is shaky.
4 years time and Izzard is extremely likely to be an elected official...and with that thought I have to leave..
Nothing will happen post June 24th in the London property market in 10 days post Brexit - and anyway there is a 14-day cooling off period most likely - so this is just puffing services.
Again, I can only speak for myself, but I don't sit down with the idea of writing a pro-Remain article. I sit down with the idea of writing an article, preferably on an aspect that hasn't previously been covered (here or elsewhere).
If you're claiming that we shouldn't use a gross figure because some people don't then you're a moron. Jobs everywhere are advertised and quoted in gross figures. I hope you call then up and harangue them for that.
@lindayueh: A day after the French made a similar point - see my tweet from yesterday about the "lesson" that #Brexit would send https://t.co/liRIRaogZP
@lindayueh: "If we say you are outside EU but can keep all of the advantages..it’s a terrible message for rest of EU" #Brexit https://t.co/YQKz8L4XdW
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07gbrq9/question-time-09062016
Your point is spot-on.
There's a related but separate story called Bane of Souls (only Thaddeus Falchester is a major character in both, although Lynette, Pierre, Fritigern and Roger have smaller roles). I did toy with the idea of putting them together as a duology, but thought they were stand-alone enough not to.
Incidentally, I'm writing a trilogy set in the same world. The first part is essentially done and I've largely finished the second (when part 2 is more or less complete, if everything else is in place, I'll release the opening part of the trilogy).
After seeung this, lastnights debate and what Mann wrote in the Sun today, i reckon leave will be heading for 60% if they keep this up.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6+5_rule
He may reach a different conclusion to you.
It is utter nonsense. Different people will be affected differently! Leave's case is that eventually on average we may even be BETTER off. But they haven't been so brazen as to guess a number for that year ahead.
The £350M number is misleading, sure, but it is real, and whingeing that is really "only" about £180M or whatever, and that we in some way get the other money back, albeit we have to spend much of it on things the EU decides for us, is not a strong argument to say the least.
I'm youngish (30) and have voted Tory in the last two elections, unlike the vast majority of my peers. I consider the family, civic society and the nation state paramount in generating happiness, success and prosperity.
Without trying to virtue signal, I care deeply that in this country people can go out and work hard each week in pretty crappy jobs and yet they don't have the dignity to come home with a pay packet/slip that can support their family.
I want that solving, through long-term investment in skills and training, not short-term fixes like tax-credits. Open borders with 500m from Europe prevents that investment from occurring and destroys the incentive to do so. The Marxist critique of capitalism, that a reserve army of labour drives down wages and benefits those with capital, is correct in this instance. It is particularly harsh for those at the bottom end. I care about those people. The nation state has a duty to protect its citizens like this.
I probably share more of the values of John Mann and Frank Field than the likes of Osborne or Amber Rudd. What to do?
We declared war on behalf of the Poles when they were threatened with tyranny in 1939. Then when they were finally liberated 50 years later and completed the process of rejoining free Europe within the EU we, uniquely, were the only major country to immediately allow free movement to our shores. What does it say about the honour of a country which then withdraws from Europe because too many of them took up our offer?
It's the new EU Army uniform.
The only ten times figure that should be mentioned in relation to the UK's contribution to the EU budget is that for every £1 (net) the UK contributes to the EU budget, the EU sells us £10 more in goods and services than we sell them. (That is, the UK's trade deficit with the EU in 2015 was about £100bn.)
England didn't threaten to stop doing business with Scotland as "punishment", though.
They are generally City types, not lefties.
Your problem is that you lack hatred. You've got to really, really, hate the Romans to join Jezza's Brigade. Frank Field is a good choice. A man with a conscience and principles and therefore with no future in the Labour Party.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/lord-ashcroft-conservative-infighting-corbyns-insignificance-and-the-economy-my-eu-focus-groups-in-cardiff.html
Seems much more pro-Remain group than in previous weeks. Note in particular the comments about Martin Lewis. That seems significant to me.
So if I have that right, then yes Brexit means the clubs are no longer bound by Bosman.
So (again, if I have that right), Brexit does affect who Arsenal can sign.
Something like this?
DE: Oi, if you are not nice to us, you won't be able to buy our cars anymore.
GB: *shrugs*
DE: Hey, start being nice to us.
GB: *looks at cheaper prices from the world*
DE: Ok, ok. You can buy from us.