FYI - If you meet any Remain/DKs, don't call them Traitors, Quisling pigs, that sort of stuff.
I have canvassed before, darling. For Mebyon Kernow and then Cornish indy. I rather enjoyed it - and I helped my pal, the Truro council candidate, to a historic victory over the Lib Dems.
I love canvassing, it gives me the horn.*
Remember when Cameron used to give you the horn?
*It doesn't, honest.
I'm not sure Cameron EVER gave me the horn. In fact he never did. He was gaylording ponceyboots from the start - and God, how right I was, the nasty little toff.
What gave me the horn was brutal Tory cuts and whimpering working class people, but frankly, since I started dating younger ladies from the lower orders, even that doesn't do it for me any more. I share their plight, and have to fund their student loans.
The only joy I have these days comes from champagne, spanking and fine native oysters.
You never know what will happen when canvassing, you might meet a lady in a nightgown!
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Beowulf?
Combine that with some original Chaucer and you'll have them fooled.
Isn't Beowulf 9th/10th century (and also Nordic originally)?
Personally I think it's wrong to impute views on current political controversies to people who are dead, especially people who died protecting us. It's pretty obvious that they will have had a range of views, just like us, and I doubt if many would have accepted a German victory just because of this or that EU issue. (I accept that Cash can reasonably predict what his own father would have thought.)
FYI - If you meet any Remain/DKs, don't call them Traitors, Quisling pigs, that sort of stuff.
I have canvassed before, darling. For Mebyon Kernow and then Cornish indy. I rather enjoyed it - and I helped my pal, the Truro council candidate, to a historic victory over the Lib Dems.
I love canvassing, it gives me the horn.*
Remember when Cameron used to give you the horn?
*It doesn't, honest.
I'm not sure Cameron EVER gave me the horn. In fact he never did. He was gaylording ponceyboots from the start - and God, how right I was, the nasty little toff.
What gave me the horn was brutal Tory cuts and whimpering working class people, but frankly, since I started dating younger ladies from the lower orders, even that doesn't do it for me any more. I share their plight, and have to fund their student loans.
The only joy I have these days comes from champagne, spanking and fine native oysters.
You never know what will happen when canvassing, you might meet a lady in a nightgown!
Experience tells me you're 100 times more likely to meet a man in his boxers than a woman in a nightgown
FYI - If you meet any Remain/DKs, don't call them Traitors, Quisling pigs, that sort of stuff.
I have canvassed before, darling. For Mebyon Kernow and then Cornish indy. I rather enjoyed it - and I helped my pal, the Truro council candidate, to a historic victory over the Lib Dems.
I love canvassing, it gives me the horn.*
Remember when Cameron used to give you the horn?
*It doesn't, honest.
I'm not sure Cameron EVER gave me the horn. In fact he never did. He was gaylording ponceyboots from the start - and God, how right I was, the nasty little toff.
What gave me the horn was brutal Tory cuts and whimpering working class people, but frankly, since I started dating younger ladies from the lower orders, even that doesn't do it for me any more. I share their plight, and have to fund their student loans.
The only joy I have these days comes from champagne, spanking and fine native oysters.
You never know what will happen when canvassing, you might meet a lady in a nightgown!
One of the reasons I'm confident* of a comfortable remain victory was because someone who knows political campaigning pointed out a few weeks ago, 10/10 certain to voters aren't the only ones who vote. You need to start remember the 6/10 onwards too.
Yeah, truth is somewhere in the middle innit? Safe to assume the 1/10s won't vote in big numbers, probably wise to include anyone over 5/10.
Actual elections fall short of the claimed 10/10 number.
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Beowulf?
Combine that with some original Chaucer and you'll have them fooled.
Isn't Beowulf 9th/10th century (and also Nordic originally)?
Nope, it was *set* in Scandinavia but written in Old English. But it was Old English - I was hoping to get something even earlier.
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Is that right? Because typically I thought the proportion who say 10/10 certain equates roughly the same as the proportion who do vote. I'm sure there must be some 10/10 who don't vote, but a lot more 6/10 who don't.
There was some research on that a while back. In GEs, basically you don't go far wrong if you weight people according to stated certainty. Nearly all the 10/10 people vote, only half the 5/10, etc.
But we really don't know what turnout will be for the referendum. Anecdotally our experiences vary a lot (which perhaps suggests that London turnout will be higher than most). But in the end I think it'll be pretty high.
FYI - If you meet any Remain/DKs, don't call them Traitors, Quisling pigs, that sort of stuff.
I have canvassed before, darling. For Mebyon Kernow and then Cornish indy. I rather enjoyed it - and I helped my pal, the Truro council candidate, to a historic victory over the Lib Dems.
I love canvassing, it gives me the horn.*
Remember when Cameron used to give you the horn?
*It doesn't, honest.
I'm not sure Cameron EVER gave me the horn. In fact he never did. He was gaylording ponceyboots from the start - and God, how right I was, the nasty little toff.
What gave me the horn was brutal Tory cuts and whimpering working class people, but frankly, since I started dating younger ladies from the lower orders, even that doesn't do it for me any more. I share their plight, and have to fund their student loans.
The only joy I have these days comes from champagne, spanking and fine native oysters.
You never know what will happen when canvassing, you might meet a lady in a nightgown!
Experience tells me you're 100 times more likely to meet a man in his boxers than a woman in a nightgown
That is true but depends what floats your boat I suppose!
On topic observation. It's all going to come down to turnout. yes, I know that's kind-of obvious but just look at the difference between ORB's 'all voters' score of a 12-pt lead for Remain, and their 'certain to vote' gap of just 1 point.
Two and a half weeks out, I'm not getting any great sense of national enthusiasm and I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-60% turnout, which is tilting me towards thinking that Leave will do it.
But then I usually get pessimistic and thought that Miliband would be PM after the last election.
Opinium had more people certain to vote in EUref than at the next general election, it could well go over 70%
The question is how many people did they have to vote at the last general election (I'll go and check now).
Opinium has 67% certain to vote at the next election, it was 66% in 2015, so certainty to vote pretty close to actual turnout with them
One of the reasons I'm confident* of a comfortable remain victory was because someone who knows political campaigning pointed out a few weeks ago, 10/10 certain to voters aren't the only ones who vote. You need to start remember the 6/10 onwards too.
Yeah, truth is somewhere in the middle innit? Safe to assume the 1/10s won't vote in big numbers, probably wise to include anyone over 5/10.
Actual elections fall short of the claimed 10/10 number.
It's a hard one, because a small portion of the population always say 10/10, and never vote. Another portion say 6/10 and always vote.
Is that right? Because typically I thought the proportion who say 10/10 certain equates roughly the same as the proportion who do vote. I'm sure there must be some 10/10 who don't vote, but a lot more 6/10 who don't.
There was some research on that a while back. In GEs, basically you don't go far wrong if you weight people according to stated certainty. Nearly all the 10/10 people vote, only half the 5/10, etc.
But we really don't know what turnout will be for the referendum. Anecdotally our experiences vary a lot (which perhaps suggests that London turnout will be higher than most). But in the end I think it'll be pretty high.
If that was the case shouldn't turnout be around 80%?
On topic observation. It's all going to come down to turnout. yes, I know that's kind-of obvious but just look at the difference between ORB's 'all voters' score of a 12-pt lead for Remain, and their 'certain to vote' gap of just 1 point.
Two and a half weeks out, I'm not getting any great sense of national enthusiasm and I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-60% turnout, which is tilting me towards thinking that Leave will do it.
But then I usually get pessimistic and thought that Miliband would be PM after the last election.
Opinium had more people certain to vote in EUref than at the next general election, it could well go over 70%
The question is how many people did they have to vote at the last general election (I'll go and check now).
On topic observation. It's all going to come down to turnout. yes, I know that's kind-of obvious but just look at the difference between ORB's 'all voters' score of a 12-pt lead for Remain, and their 'certain to vote' gap of just 1 point.
Two and a half weeks out, I'm not getting any great sense of national enthusiasm and I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-60% turnout, which is tilting me towards thinking that Leave will do it.
But then I usually get pessimistic and thought that Miliband would be PM after the last election.
Opinium had more people certain to vote in EUref than at the next general election, it could well go over 70%
The question is how many people did they have to vote at the last general election (I'll go and check now).
Recent polls are likely to have been misleadingly favourable to Leave, as younger and more prosperous folk are likely to have been away last week due to half-term school holidays. Polls with sampling dates from today (6/6/16) onwards are likely to be more reliable, but are not likely to report until the end of the week at the earliest. Predictions based on those who are certain to vote are likely to be misleading. Those who indicate any intention to vote, even if well under 50%, should be counted in the prediction, appropriately weighted based on their likelihood to vote. Taking this into account, I still expect a Remain win by more than 10%.
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Why dont you go with Chaucer in the original? An anachronism but more intelligble to the an punter
On topic observation. It's all going to come down to turnout. yes, I know that's kind-of obvious but just look at the difference between ORB's 'all voters' score of a 12-pt lead for Remain, and their 'certain to vote' gap of just 1 point.
Two and a half weeks out, I'm not getting any great sense of national enthusiasm and I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-60% turnout, which is tilting me towards thinking that Leave will do it.
But then I usually get pessimistic and thought that Miliband would be PM after the last election.
Opinium had more people certain to vote in EUref than at the next general election, it could well go over 70%
The question is how many people did they have to vote at the last general election (I'll go and check now).
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
YouGov/Times: public dislike both EU ref campaigns but think Vote Leave less dishonest than BSiE (42-46); less negative (49-54) and clearer
That's interesting. Shows that Remain still have huge problems.
On another note, I have not heard how the "We'll scupper leave if it wins) has come across on the news but that has got to be the dumbest thing any remainer has briefed the press on. I can only presume that Vote Leave have some very very deep moles.
On topic observation. It's all going to come down to turnout. yes, I know that's kind-of obvious but just look at the difference between ORB's 'all voters' score of a 12-pt lead for Remain, and their 'certain to vote' gap of just 1 point.
Two and a half weeks out, I'm not getting any great sense of national enthusiasm and I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-60% turnout, which is tilting me towards thinking that Leave will do it.
But then I usually get pessimistic and thought that Miliband would be PM after the last election.
Opinium had more people certain to vote in EUref than at the next general election, it could well go over 70%
The question is how many people did they have to vote at the last general election (I'll go and check now).
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Your character should speak in these, not in a celtic, which has quite different roots.
But my character (he's so not my character but he's a long way out of copyright), is pre-Anglo Saxon.
All the same, interesting info, for which thanks, and bit and pieces may well find their way in.
If he is pre AS and educated he will speak and write latin. There is a clear overlap between the arrival of the first AS mercenaries/settlers and the waning of Roman influence.
If you want something in spoken Brythonic then you will have to rely on the exiting welsh or Cornish languages as no written material survives in ancient Brythonic.
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Your character should speak in these, not in a celtic, which has quite different roots.
But my character (he's so not my character but he's a long way out of copyright), is pre-Anglo Saxon.
All the same, interesting info, for which thanks, and bit and pieces may well find their way in.
Is this what you're looking for:
' The Brittonic languages spoken in what is now Scotland, the Isle of Man and what is now England began to be displaced in the 5th century through the settlement of Irish-speaking Gaels and Germanic peoples. The displacement of the languages of Brittonic descent was probably complete in all of Britain except Cornwall and Wales and the English counties bordering these areas such as Devon by the 11th century. '
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Why dont you go with Chaucer in the original? An anachronism but more intelligble to the an punter
It's not actually meant to be intelligible. This will be very early on in the book, when he's completely culturally discombobulated (imagine what it'd be like if we went to sleep and woke up in AD3500). I thought that one way to get the remoteness of his dislocation is for him to speak in a language that the reader can't understand, as well as that which the people he's speaking to can't.
That said, being a relatively educated man, he'll turn to Latin as a second option after a short time.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
Do we have some breakdowns of undecideds amongst over 65s? that's probably the group of undecideds most certain to vote, and also probably most likely to back the perceived status quo option when faced with the ballot box. You can count on that group to deliver for remain.
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
The Celts occupied the whole of England until being displaced to the extremities by the Anglo Saxons. So basically he'd be speaking the extra stuff put on traffic signs to confuse people from the West Midlands travelling to the seaside for the weekend. Araf and perhaps Ysgol should still be OK, although you would be pushing it with Dim Marciau Ffordd and Gyrrwrch Yn Ddiogel.
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Your character should speak in these, not in a celtic, which has quite different roots.
But my character (he's so not my character but he's a long way out of copyright), is pre-Anglo Saxon.
All the same, interesting info, for which thanks, and bit and pieces may well find their way in.
Is this what you're looking for:
' The Brittonic languages spoken in what is now Scotland, the Isle of Man and what is now England began to be displaced in the 5th century through the settlement of Irish-speaking Gaels and Germanic peoples. The displacement of the languages of Brittonic descent was probably complete in all of Britain except Cornwall and Wales and the English counties bordering these areas such as Devon by the 11th century. '
Yes, I had a look at that but there's very little actual language, though it was why I was going to mock something up out of Welsh and Cornish.
The problem is, how do you say, for example, "where am I", in it? It was probably an almost entirely spoken language which we now have next to no record of (how many words don't descend from Greek, Latin, Anglo-Saxon or the Nordic languages?)
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
What will turn it is the non stop pro remain slanted tv and radio media,your lying if you say the tv news in this country is impartial.
God, why have I emotionally invested in a campaign, LEAVE, which I have always expected to lose?
DUH
DUH
DUH
It's the hope that kills you isn't it?
Yes.
Chin up
Last year, I'd partake in a great canvassing experience. Think, yup Dave's gonna win this, then find out, there's a poll putting Labour ahead.
And I thought, are my canvassing skills and political antennae that shit?
Soul destroying, but we kept buggering on.
I had a feeling that Cons would win a majority in last years GE and bet accordingly. Also, I thought that the SNP post Indy Ref bounce finally peaked at the end of last summer. And once the Holyrood election campaign got under way, I got an ever stronger feeling the SNP were not going to win a majority and bet accordingly.
Do you think there is usually a poll option that lets you kick the government up and down the yard a bit. E.g. you say Ed Miliband or YES to kick the government. Or "I'm a Tory but this time I'm definitely voting Ukip", up til' the evening of the first Wednesday in May. Why wouldn't you kick the government? If they think they are popular, they will try to "spend political capital", i.e. shaft you. Call it looking for a broader explanation for Swingback if you like...
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Your character should speak in these, not in a celtic, which has quite different roots.
But my character (he's so not my character but he's a long way out of copyright), is pre-Anglo Saxon.
All the same, interesting info, for which thanks, and bit and pieces may well find their way in.
Is this what you're looking for:
' The Brittonic languages spoken in what is now Scotland, the Isle of Man and what is now England began to be displaced in the 5th century through the settlement of Irish-speaking Gaels and Germanic peoples. The displacement of the languages of Brittonic descent was probably complete in all of Britain except Cornwall and Wales and the English counties bordering these areas such as Devon by the 11th century. '
Yes, I had a look at that but there's very little actual language, though it was why I was going to mock something up out of Welsh and Cornish.
The problem is, how do you say, for example, "where am I", in it? It was probably an almost entirely spoken language which we now have next to no record of (how many words don't descend from Greek, Latin, Anglo-Saxon or the Nordic languages?)
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
What will turn it is the non stop pro remain slanted tv and radio media,your lying if you say the tv news in this country is impartial.
Yeah, but we have the entire print media (excluding the guardian, which no one reads) so we can't complain too much.
So when you went canvassing at the GE and people asked what would the Tories do about immigration,your answer was ?
Hope you didn't go down your parties policy on it or Fake Dave's of cutting immigration,wouldn't that mean you were lying after we find out this government and remain thinks mass immigration is a price worth paying.
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
Pointless as well. A 52-48 result for Remain doesn't settle anything.
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
Given how negatively the questions is worded "having to allow", that's an interesting finding indeed. Some of us are proud and happy that EU citizens can work here (and us in other nations).
The tone of question implies that we should be against the idea.
Many thanks also to everyone for their comments and suggestions re pre-Anglo-Saxon language/s. I'm still in the early stages but think I have a fairly solid idea for a book (and in fact, a trilogy), so hope to make it work.
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
No one knows anything.
There are a lot of people who feel disenfranchised who are going to come out for Leave, and who are motivated, and are probably being downweighted because they don't normally vote.
But there are also lots of people who probably slightly prefer Remain, who may or may not vote.
I can see Leave anywhere between 40% and 55%, but I'd hesitate to be any more specific than that.
To TSE's question in the header, David Cameron should be feeling like a right proper twat of the first order for claiming that leaving the EU would be like an economic bomb. Nothing has changed since he was prepared to leave the EU if he didn't get a good enough deal, so either he was a wannabe economic terrorist then, or he is a total bare-faced liar now.
So when you went canvassing at the GE and people asked what would the Tories do about immigration,your answer was ?
Hope you didn't go down your parties policy on it or Fake Dave's of cutting immigration,wouldn't that mean you were lying after we find out this government and remain thinks mass immigration is a price worth paying.
I was commendably honest, I told them I was the wrong person to talk about reducing immigration, I said I was in favour of immigration, and the stats show immigrants as whole make a net contribution to the country.
I pointed out the Ipsos Mori polling on perceptions, and there's not as many immigrants as people think there.
Scotty National Venn Diagram: Ahead of Nicola Sturgeon's EU debate, we have produced this handy SNP union of countries Venn diagram https://t.co/TN6Jxbgf5S
Off topic, does anyone know any pre-Anglo Saxon English (British)? I'm thinking of tackling a full-length novel, which involves someone who's been in suspended animation for 1500 years emerging into today's world and as such, he'd not be speaking our current tongue (or even Old English).
For simplicity's sake, he'll learn quickly.
I was thinking of cobbling something together that sounded a bit Welsh or Cornish but it'd be nice to be authentic if possible.
Anglo-saxons loved riddle poems, often full of double entendres:
Your character should speak in these, not in a celtic, which has quite different roots.
But my character (he's so not my character but he's a long way out of copyright), is pre-Anglo Saxon.
All the same, interesting info, for which thanks, and bit and pieces may well find their way in.
Is this what you're looking for:
' The Brittonic languages spoken in what is now Scotland, the Isle of Man and what is now England began to be displaced in the 5th century through the settlement of Irish-speaking Gaels and Germanic peoples. The displacement of the languages of Brittonic descent was probably complete in all of Britain except Cornwall and Wales and the English counties bordering these areas such as Devon by the 11th century. '
Yes, I had a look at that but there's very little actual language, though it was why I was going to mock something up out of Welsh and Cornish.
The problem is, how do you say, for example, "where am I", in it? It was probably an almost entirely spoken language which we now have next to no record of (how many words don't descend from Greek, Latin, Anglo-Saxon or the Nordic languages?)
There is a very popular theory amongst linguists and archaeologists that we speak a language derived from Anglo-Saxon (with all the later Norse, Norman and other influences) but with a Brythonic grammar. So the way we put our spoken sentences together is the way the pre-Saxon peoples would have done but we use Saxon and later words.
It is also worth noting that most of the Rivers and many other landscape features in England are derived from Brythonic rather than AS words. Trent, Thames, Tees, Avon etc are all of pre-Saxon origin.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
Absolutely right.
Of course there's lots of knockabout banter that nobody cares about Major - he's old, boring, grey etc etc.
But fact is he is a former PM who is seen as middle of the road, cautious, understated, respected and he carries weight.
He will have an influence. He's probably Remain's most effective campaigner.
People may dismiss it now but his intervention in 2007 had a massive influence - Cameron would not be PM without him.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
What will turn it is the non stop pro remain slanted tv and radio media,your lying if you say the tv news in this country is impartial.
Yeah, but we have the entire print media (excluding the guardian, which no one reads) so we can't complain too much.
No we haven't,independent,mirror,star,times,guardian and probably most of the Sunday papers,couldn't believe the mail on Sunday are for remain.
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
No one knows anything.
There are a lot of people who feel disenfranchised who are going to come out for Leave, and who are motivated, and are probably being downweighted because they don't normally vote.
But there are also lots of people who probably slightly prefer Remain, who may or may not vote.
I can see Leave anywhere between 40% and 55%, but I'd hesitate to be any more specific than that.
There is no doubt that #Brexit have been making all the noise and some in this EU Ref campaign, but I wouldn't underestimate the quiet Remainers who have not got involved on social media etc but will turn up and vote on the day.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
As someone who actively voted against Sir John, I have long been a proponent on here of his being one of the most – if not the most - underrated politicians in British history. Anyone who could win in 92 from the top of a soapbox defying all the odds is deserving of serious respect.
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
No one knows anything.
There are a lot of people who feel disenfranchised who are going to come out for Leave, and who are motivated, and are probably being downweighted because they don't normally vote.
But there are also lots of people who probably slightly prefer Remain, who may or may not vote.
I can see Leave anywhere between 40% and 55%, but I'd hesitate to be any more specific than that.
There is no doubt that #Brexit have been making all the noise and some in this EU Ref campaign, but I wouldn't underestimate the quiet Remainers who have not got involved on social media etc but will turn up and vote on the day.
What still baffles me is that the punters on the BF exchanges make Remain 60.01-65 MORE LIKELY than 40.01-45.
I cannot see the numbers lining up for Leave at anything less than 40%.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
As someone who actively voted against Sir John, I have long been a proponent on here of his being one of the most – if not the most - underrated politicians in British history. Anyone who could win in 92 from the top of a soapbox defying all the odds is deserving of serious respect.
And yes, he is clearly a thoroughly decent man.
Good campaigner. Absolutely rubbish at actually doing the job - whether Chancellor or PM.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
Absolutely right.
Of course there's lots of knockabout banter that nobody cares about Major - he's old, boring, grey etc etc.
But fact is he is a former PM who is seen as middle of the road, cautious, understated, respected and he carries weight.
He will have an influence. He's probably Remain's most effective campaigner.
People may dismiss it now but his intervention in 2007 had a massive influence - Cameron would not be PM without him.
MikeL, absolutely bang on the money with that comment!
Many thanks also to everyone for their comments and suggestions re pre-Anglo-Saxon language/s. I'm still in the early stages but think I have a fairly solid idea for a book (and in fact, a trilogy), so hope to make it work.
The language your character would have spoke is Old Welsh. Some literature has survived. There are at least 4 ancient books in Old Welsh, such as Y Gododdin.
Y Gododdin has been dated to anywhere between the 7th and the early 11th centuries.
It is an elegy to the men of the Brythonic Kingdom of Gododdin (present-day South Scotland), who died fighting the Anglo-Saxons.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
As someone who actively voted against Sir John, I have long been a proponent on here of his being one of the most – if not the most - underrated politicians in British history. Anyone who could win in 92 from the top of a soapbox defying all the odds is deserving of serious respect.
And yes, he is clearly a thoroughly decent man.
A friend of mine worked with him at Carlyle and rated his intelligence very highly.
So when you went canvassing at the GE and people asked what would the Tories do about immigration,your answer was ?
Hope you didn't go down your parties policy on it or Fake Dave's of cutting immigration,wouldn't that mean you were lying after we find out this government and remain thinks mass immigration is a price worth paying.
I was commendably honest, I told them I was the wrong person to talk about reducing immigration, I said I was in favour of immigration, and the stats show immigrants as whole make a net contribution to the country.
I pointed out the Ipsos Mori polling on perceptions, and there's not as many immigrants as people think there.
On your last point -
In the constituency you were canvassing ? Or the country ?
So when you went canvassing at the GE and people asked what would the Tories do about immigration,your answer was ?
Hope you didn't go down your parties policy on it or Fake Dave's of cutting immigration,wouldn't that mean you were lying after we find out this government and remain thinks mass immigration is a price worth paying.
I was commendably honest, I told them I was the wrong person to talk about reducing immigration, I said I was in favour of immigration, and the stats show immigrants as whole make a net contribution to the country.
I pointed out the Ipsos Mori polling on perceptions, and there's not as many immigrants as people think there.
Do the stats really point that? (Genuine question)
As fas as I thought, there is a net fiscal contribution (i.e. immigrant workers pay more tax than is paid out in benefits by immigrant workers/non workers), but not an entirely net positive contribution (i.e. immigrant workers pay less in tax than the benefits accrued by all immigrants in terms of public service receipt). Given almost everyone I know is not a net positive contributor to the treasury - basically everyone with kids is a net recipient - I just cannot see how it can be anything else.
YouGov ask about how certain people are to vote, but do not make any adjustment for the answers in their published headline results.
So when interpreting tonight's 1% YouGov Remain lead it's worth bearing in mind that YouGov found those "10/10 certain to vote" accounted for 72% of the Remain respondents and 77% of the Leave respondents.
Sam Coates No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
I think they are clutching at straws. Just like everyone else.
No one knows anything.
There are a lot of people who feel disenfranchised who are going to come out for Leave, and who are motivated, and are probably being downweighted because they don't normally vote.
But there are also lots of people who probably slightly prefer Remain, who may or may not vote.
I can see Leave anywhere between 40% and 55%, but I'd hesitate to be any more specific than that.
There is no doubt that #Brexit have been making all the noise and some in this EU Ref campaign, but I wouldn't underestimate the quiet Remainers who have not got involved on social media etc but will turn up and vote on the day.
I think you mean the TRAITORS, not Remainers. As that is what they are.
There will be an emotional reckoning for you lot, when this is done. Scotland, post indyref, will seem like a canape compared to this feast of vengeance.
I think Sir John Major's intervention has been crucial.His statement on the NHS hit home with people of all parties.I see no harm in Jeremy Corbyn campaigning for the NHS alongside Sir John on this matter.He proved the point that the decent Tory does exist. Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
What will turn it is the non stop pro remain slanted tv and radio media,your lying if you say the tv news in this country is impartial.
Interesting. I watched the news and after reading your comment I thought back on it. My feeling was that both had equal time but the Leavers seemed more stupid. Perhaps they have a Remainer in the editing department? The alternative doesn't bear thinking about!
So when you went canvassing at the GE and people asked what would the Tories do about immigration,your answer was ?
Hope you didn't go down your parties policy on it or Fake Dave's of cutting immigration,wouldn't that mean you were lying after we find out this government and remain thinks mass immigration is a price worth paying.
I was commendably honest, I told them I was the wrong person to talk about reducing immigration, I said I was in favour of immigration, and the stats show immigrants as whole make a net contribution to the country.
I pointed out the Ipsos Mori polling on perceptions, and there's not as many immigrants as people think there.
On your last point -
In the constituency you were canvassing ? Or the country ?
The country, I think the constituencies I canvassed were typical of the country.
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Right, enough of this caper.
G'night.
http://www.thehypertexts.com/The Best Anglo-Saxon Riddles and Kennings.htm
Your character should speak in these, not in a celtic, which has quite different roots.
But we really don't know what turnout will be for the referendum. Anecdotally our experiences vary a lot (which perhaps suggests that London turnout will be higher than most). But in the end I think it'll be pretty high.
Remain ahead on:
Being better off -by 13pts
Jobs -by 14pts
Pensions -by 10pts
Brexit meaning less influence for UK -by 22pts
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_04_05_2014.pdf
Had 'will definitely vote' as 76%. 'Probably' was 12%, with 'probably not' and 'definitely not' at 4% and 5% respectively.
Turnout was actually 66.4%.
It's a good indication of how people overestimate their likelihood to vote - or pollsters' inability or unwillingness to engage with the disengaged.
Leave ahead on
Immigration - by 53 pts
Protecting NHS - by 21 pts
Safer from terrorism -by 5 pts
Con 37 Lab 33 at 10/10. Far more accurate than the headline.
YouGov/Times
Leave ahead on
Immigration - by 53 pts
Protecting NHS - by 21 pts
Safer from terrorism -by 5 pts
YouGov / Times
Remain ahead on:
Being better off -by 13pts
Jobs -by 14pts
Pensions -by 10pts
Brexit meaning less influence for UK -by 22pts
All the same, interesting info, for which thanks, and bit and pieces may well find their way in.
On another note, I have not heard how the "We'll scupper leave if it wins) has come across on the news but that has got to be the dumbest thing any remainer has briefed the press on. I can only presume that Vote Leave have some very very deep moles.
If you want something in spoken Brythonic then you will have to rely on the exiting welsh or Cornish languages as no written material survives in ancient Brythonic.
' The Brittonic languages spoken in what is now Scotland, the Isle of Man and what is now England began to be displaced in the 5th century through the settlement of Irish-speaking Gaels and Germanic peoples. The displacement of the languages of Brittonic descent was probably complete in all of Britain except Cornwall and Wales and the English counties bordering these areas such as Devon by the 11th century. '
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittonic_languages
I think only the higher classes would have spoken Latin, the peasants and artisans Celtic, at least until the arrival of Saxon influence.
Francis Pryor gives a good flavour of the period in "Britain AD".
Best wishes to Bernie tonight.I think he will win California.Are you feeling it? #FeelTheBern
That said, being a relatively educated man, he'll turn to Latin as a second option after a short time.
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/739056035260956672
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wake-Paul-Kingsnorth/dp/1783520981/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465250662&sr=8-1&keywords=paul+kingsnorth
Not what you're on about but useful research maybe.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/739941544820609024
This is their one chance.
Last year, I'd partake in a great canvassing experience. Think, yup Dave's gonna win this, then find out, there's a poll putting Labour ahead.
And I thought, are my canvassing skills and political antennae that shit?
Soul destroying, but we kept buggering on.
The problem is, how do you say, for example, "where am I", in it? It was probably an almost entirely spoken language which we now have next to no record of (how many words don't descend from Greek, Latin, Anglo-Saxon or the Nordic languages?)
No10 think they will win #euref cos of this poll finding: ppl want free trade more than immigration clampdown (just) https://t.co/vi2srEtqPT
Reamin 41% (n/c)
Leave 41% (+5)
DK 18% (-6)
May 30 - 2 June sample 1,017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaulish_language#In_popular_culture
I don't know if there's a dictionary anywhere.
Hope you didn't go down your parties policy on it or Fake Dave's of cutting immigration,wouldn't that mean you were lying after we find out this government and remain thinks mass immigration is a price worth paying.
The tone of question implies that we should be against the idea.
There are a lot of people who feel disenfranchised who are going to come out for Leave, and who are motivated, and are probably being downweighted because they don't normally vote.
But there are also lots of people who probably slightly prefer Remain, who may or may not vote.
I can see Leave anywhere between 40% and 55%, but I'd hesitate to be any more specific than that.
6pts is not that slim a margin.
I pointed out the Ipsos Mori polling on perceptions, and there's not as many immigrants as people think there.
Venn Diagram: Ahead of Nicola Sturgeon's EU debate, we have produced this handy SNP union of countries Venn diagram https://t.co/TN6Jxbgf5S
The news is that she's bouncing back. The Dangerous Donald meme is cutting through.
Trump is on the slide.
It is also worth noting that most of the Rivers and many other landscape features in England are derived from Brythonic rather than AS words. Trent, Thames, Tees, Avon etc are all of pre-Saxon origin.
Of course there's lots of knockabout banter that nobody cares about Major - he's old, boring, grey etc etc.
But fact is he is a former PM who is seen as middle of the road, cautious, understated, respected and he carries weight.
He will have an influence. He's probably Remain's most effective campaigner.
People may dismiss it now but his intervention in 2007 had a massive influence - Cameron would not be PM without him.
And yes, he is clearly a thoroughly decent man.
I cannot see the numbers lining up for Leave at anything less than 40%.
Y Gododdin has been dated to anywhere between the 7th and the early 11th centuries.
It is an elegy to the men of the Brythonic Kingdom of Gododdin (present-day South Scotland), who died fighting the Anglo-Saxons.
My 91 year old grandmother is STILL undecided but... I think she's edging towards REMAIN!
Unlike another poster on here a few days ago I won't try and stop her from getting to the polling station!
His politics, not so much.
In the constituency you were canvassing ? Or the country ?
Alternatively go freelance: many people find a prominent 'EU Funded This' sign is improved by a big VOTE LEAVE sticker (and a facebook pic of course).
As fas as I thought, there is a net fiscal contribution (i.e. immigrant workers pay more tax than is paid out in benefits by immigrant workers/non workers), but not an entirely net positive contribution (i.e. immigrant workers pay less in tax than the benefits accrued by all immigrants in terms of public service receipt). Given almost everyone I know is not a net positive contributor to the treasury - basically everyone with kids is a net recipient - I just cannot see how it can be anything else.
So when interpreting tonight's 1% YouGov Remain lead it's worth bearing in mind that YouGov found those "10/10 certain to vote" accounted for 72% of the Remain respondents and 77% of the Leave respondents.
Democracy is good, the higher the turnout, the better it is for people accept it.