I do hope that the luvvvie letter is dismissed by someone who is popular amongst the groups most likely to vote Leave - someone like Ian Botham - as people used to the limelight who don't have enough faith in the public they want to watch their shows making a good decision.
Apparently we also have Liz Hurley. TBH, I'm just glad the worst self-righteous luvvies are getting told to bugger off. The Guardian's frontpage is so awkward - a whole slab of celeb mugshots, next to a giant headline about child sex abuse.
If that was the Mail, I could understand the piss-taking...
Why do you get so exercised about other people expressing their opinion? We all get a vote, we can all voice our opinions. If what other people is so inconsequential why do you regularly post links to any old nonentity that has said something in favour of Leave?
Your attempt to infer a link between the celebrity Remainers and child abuse is beneath contempt, but not really surprising unfortunately.
To be fair the layout of that front page is quite awful, with the juxtaposition of the headline and picture. I'd not be too happy if that were my picture next to those words. Has anyone seen a later edition anywhere, did they change it?
I may actually back this Kickstarter for a graphic novel, even though I've never committed or bought either before. Mr. Eagles should fast forward to 2.08: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbDXYf51RZw
@PeterMannionMP: Vote Leave happily pimped support of Michael Caine, Beefy and fella from The Who, now 282 sign a #Remain letter it's all 'keep out luvvies'.
Beyond stupid;
“From the Bard to Bowie, British creativity inspires and influences the rest of the world,” it says. “We believe that being part of the EU bolsters Britain’s leading role on the world stage.”
To all intents and purposes, the Government no longer has a reliable majority.
Further down there's an interview with Khan which may interest Cyclefree and others. I think he's got a fair point that Trump and others may well think that nearly all Muslims are bonkers since that's the only news reports they see about them.
Whilst we distract ourselves with euref this govt is turning out to be the weakest I can remember. </block
I do hope that the luvvvie letter is dismissed by someone who is popular amongst the groups most likely to vote Leave - someone like Ian Botham - as people used to the limelight who don't have enough faith in the public they want to watch their shows making a good decision.
Apparently we also have Liz Hurley. TBH, I'm just glad the worst self-righteous luvvies are getting told to bugger off. The Guardian's frontpage is so awkward - a whole slab of celeb mugshots, next to a giant headline about child sex abuse.
If that was the Mail, I could understand the piss-taking...
Why do you get so exercised about other people expressing their opinion? We all get a vote, we can all voice our opinions. If what other people is so inconsequential why do you regularly post links to any old nonentity that has said something in favour of Leave?
Your attempt to infer a link between the celebrity Remainers and child abuse is beneath contempt, but not really surprising unfortunately.
I do hope that the luvvvie letter is dismissed by someone who is popular amongst the groups most likely to vote Leave - someone like Ian Botham - as people used to the limelight who don't have enough faith in the public they want to watch their shows making a good decision.
Apparently we also have Liz Hurley. TBH, I'm just glad the worst self-righteous luvvies are getting told to bugger off. The Guardian's frontpage is so awkward - a whole slab of celeb mugshots, next to a giant headline about child sex abuse.
If that was the Mail, I could understand the piss-taking...
Why do you get so exercised about other people expressing their opinion? We all get a vote, we can all voice our opinions. If what other people is so inconsequential why do you regularly post links to any old nonentity that has said something in favour of Leave?
Your attempt to infer a link between the celebrity Remainers and child abuse is beneath contempt, but not really surprising unfortunately.
To be fair the layout of that front page is quite awful, with the juxtaposition of the headline and picture. I'd not be too happy if that were my picture next to those words. Has anyone seen a later edition anywhere, did they change it?
They haven't - same image on morning paper reviews.
I'm just putting together a post on referendum tactical voting which might be right thing for one section of the electorate to do.
The decision is too important to vote tactically on. Like Boris saying at one point that we should vote Leave so we could renegotiate a better deal and then Remain.
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
That's why it's very hard to find many Leavers amongst Labour voters, still less Labour members. No self-respecting Labourite would want to be seen to be supporting a campaign led by IDS and Farage.
So let's all Remain in the big European La La Land; the biggest Ponzi Scheme in the world.
To be fair, Mike, every debt crisis in history is "solved" via the process of "extend and pretend". If you keep pushing back maturities and giving interest holidays, eventually inflation solved the problem.
But we don't have any inflation. How do you contrive a soft default without it? Print?
Grow old disgracefully....I mean, look at Jack: he must be 120 by now.
A disgraceful comment.
I may have to take out a Super Injunction to prevent further reporting. Good lord at 120 it's a miracle "I'm still standing" ....
As Mr Marshall Mathers III might have opined, had he been aware of politicalbetting.com:
From his track "Reading PB"
"And Jack W, you'll get re-tweeted by Scott P, your 113 year old ARSE mystifies me It's no good, you're too old and too slow, nobody listens to John O"
Remain = Tories against closet Kippers on the Tory backbenches seizing power
If you can't understand, even when someone like Paul Mason spells it out in the most explicit of ways, then you are beyond help.
The left are voting Remain to ensure that we don't have a full blown Tory government and that we have the EU keeping them on a lead until such time that someone like Comrade Corbyn wins.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
I like how Rasmussen don't release demographic information for their polls.
It's available to their "Platinum" subscribers if you feel like having a good chortle for a few dollars more .... full of the good, the bad and the ugly side of US polling.
Thank you. Looking at those tables, I'm struck by the bizarrely low numbers for dk. Surely we have shy dkers pretending to have plumped for a side - like a reverse pb. I can't think of another explanation.
I am coming to the conclusion that the polls have nothing to ground themselves on so unless someone fancies doing a 100,000+ person poll to set a baseline we might as well wait until 10pm on Thursday 23rd and see what the exit poll says.
Obviously if the polls shift in one direction or the other then that is noteworthy but we don't really know what the base level is.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
TheSFCEmpire4152 days ago Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
So let's all Remain in the big European La La Land; the biggest Ponzi Scheme in the world.
To be fair, Mike, every debt crisis in history is "solved" via the process of "extend and pretend". If you keep pushing back maturities and giving interest holidays, eventually inflation solved the problem.
Really?
You are missing out:
Seizure of assets - "bloodlettings" Takeovers - Scotland and Newfoundland.
And where is this inflation in Europe and going to come from? I can see where the takeover is coming from.
Looking at the Opinon polling for the London Mayor elections in 2008 it looks like the Online polls (ie Yougov) got it right plumping for Bozza by about 44-36 but the Telephone Polls got it wrong showing a draw or Leninspart winning
Grow old disgracefully....I mean, look at Jack: he must be 120 by now.
A disgraceful comment.
I may have to take out a Super Injunction to prevent further reporting. Good lord at 120 it's a miracle "I'm still standing" ....
As Mr Marshall Mathers III might have opined, had he been aware of politicalbetting.com:
From his track "Reading PB"
"And Jack W, you'll get re-tweeted by Scott P, your 113 year old ARSE mystifies me It's no good, you're too old and too slow, nobody listens to John O"
To further the point, Bernie and Trump have supporters who would walk through fire for them, just as Obama did in '08, they do it for free or sometimes even pay for the privilege. On the other side a pro-Hillary/DNC PAC (Correct the Record) has funded a huge viral online astroturfing campaign because they don't have any kind of real support. No one is willing to go into bat for her like they do for the other two candidates or like they did for Obama.
So let's all Remain in the big European La La Land; the biggest Ponzi Scheme in the world.
To be fair, Mike, every debt crisis in history is "solved" via the process of "extend and pretend". If you keep pushing back maturities and giving interest holidays, eventually inflation solved the problem.
But we don't have any inflation. How do you contrive a soft default without it? Print?
Low inflation and interest rates are horribly stifling to the global economy, and have been for a few years now - ask anyone looking to buy an annuity recently. The best hope for an injection of inflation is probably as the oil price recovers to somewhere more realistic, but that won't be without a lot of pain either. Printing only works if everyone does it, else it just devalues the currency.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
TheSFCEmpire4152 days ago Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
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A few Cruz and Bush And Kasich voters will not vote for Trump either, polling shows Hillary still has more Democrats backing her against Trump than Trump has Republicans
Looking at the Opinon polling for the London Mayor elections in 2008 it looks like the Online polls (ie Yougov) got it right plumping for Bozza by about 44-36 but the Telephone Polls got it wrong showing a draw or Leninspart winning
To further the point, Bernie and Trump have supporters who would walk through fire for them, just as Obama did in '08, they do it for free or sometimes even pay for the privilege. On the other side a pro-Hillary/DNC PAC (Correct the Record) has funded a huge viral online astroturfing campaign because they don't have any kind of real support. No one is willing to go into bat for her like they do for the other two candidates or like they did for Obama.
Goldwater and McGovern had supporters who would walk through fire for them, LBJ and Nixon did not, did not stop them both winning!
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
As I said, with Trump people seem comfortable with the idea because he doesn't try and hide it. There's not very much hypocrisy unlike there is with Hillary. Videos like this are 7m at the moment, just wait until Trump begins to share them and his supporters do the same. Again, this isn't some professional outfit paid to make a video, it is just some random dude sitting at home who supports Bernie Sanders making it for free in his own time. Hillary doesn't have anything like that in her camp, it's become so bad that she has had to get one of her PACs to start an astroturfing campaign to make it look like she does.
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
Translation: we can't think of any positive reasons to vote for the EU, but here are some people you don't like that think the opposite.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
TheSFCEmpire4152 days ago Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
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Who would have predicted six months ago that the Republicans would have sorted themselves out by May and getting behind the candidate, but the Democrats would still be flinging sh!t at each other at the convention?
My default position is always that when I support something it will fail. Over the years it has stood me in very good stead! I never, ever bet on something happening that I want to happen.
And your record here exemplifies the corollary: everything you don't want to happen, invariably doesn't either. Thus Romney will be President, the Scots will vote to leave the UK, the Tories will win in 2015 (actually you got that one right!).
And next on the list is your mantra Dave reaping what he says on immigration inexorably leading to Brexit on June 23rd.....
I do genuinely marvel at the despairing, almost dolorous, tone of resigned certitude of each and every apocalypse. You are pb's little ray of sunshine.
John
Are you an OUTER or will you be voting with your demographic?
You're only as old as you feel. So I'm with the youthful care-free twenty-somethings and voting REMAIN.
Youre reliving that 1975 moment again.
Precisely. "You've got to stay in to move on".
The only place the EU is moving on to is ever closer union.
Looking at the Opinon polling for the London Mayor elections in 2008 it looks like the Online polls (ie Yougov) got it right plumping for Bozza by about 44-36 but the Telephone Polls got it wrong showing a draw or Leninspart winning
The online polls seem to have underestimated the No vote. The equivalent here would be the online polls showing a bigger remain victory than phone polls.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
TheSFCEmpire4152 days ago Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
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Who would have predicted six months ago that the Republicans would have sorted themselves out by May and getting behind the candidate, but the Democrats would still be flinging sh!t at each other at the convention?
In an anti establishment world both Sanders and Trump have profited but once Hillary wins the nomination most Democrats will get behind her
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
Translation: we can't think of any positive reasons to vote for the EU, but here are some people you don't like that think the opposite.
If you are voting that way I suppose it depends whether the prospect of handing a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove is worse than handing one to Cameron and Osborne. Looks like a recipe for absention to me.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
As I said, with Trump people seem comfortable with the idea because he doesn't try and hide it. There's not very much hypocrisy unlike there is with Hillary. Videos like this are 7m at the moment, just wait until Trump begins to share them and his supporters do the same. Again, this isn't some professional outfit paid to make a video, it is just some random dude sitting at home who supports Bernie Sanders making it for free in his own time. Hillary doesn't have anything like that in her camp, it's become so bad that she has had to get one of her PACs to start an astroturfing campaign to make it look like she does.
Those who think Hillary is a liar are already voting Trump it makes little difference
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
Translation: we can't think of any positive reasons to vote for the EU, but here are some people you don't like that think the opposite.
If you are voting that way I suppose it depends whether the prospect of handing a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove is worse than handing one to Cameron and Osborne. Looks like a recipe for absention to me.
That depends if you are voting on the next 3 years and 11 months, or the next 40 years.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
The point is it amounts to not very much. The headline belies the content. I imagine many of those 7 million thought like I did that it was a rather feeble hatchet job and if that's the best they could do she hasn't much to worry about.
How many did believe in gay marriage as opposed to civil partnership 12 years ago?
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
TheSFCEmpire4152 days ago Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
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Who would have predicted six months ago that the Republicans would have sorted themselves out by May and getting behind the candidate, but the Democrats would still be flinging sh!t at each other at the convention?
In an anti establishment world both Sanders and Trump have profited but once Hillary wins the nomination most Democrats will get behind her
Disagree. Sanders has engaged a new generation of people who hate politicians and will most probably return to sitting on their arses come Election Day. Some of them will probably be persuaded by anti-politician Trump over politician's politician Hillary - they hate her and everything she stands for.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
As I said, with Trump people seem comfortable with the idea because he doesn't try and hide it. There's not very much hypocrisy unlike there is with Hillary. Videos like this are 7m at the moment, just wait until Trump begins to share them and his supporters do the same. Again, this isn't some professional outfit paid to make a video, it is just some random dude sitting at home who supports Bernie Sanders making it for free in his own time. Hillary doesn't have anything like that in her camp, it's become so bad that she has had to get one of her PACs to start an astroturfing campaign to make it look like she does.
Those who think Hillary is a liar are already voting Trump it makes little difference
No they aren't, they are voting for Sanders. People on the inside of the Democratic Party don't want to see it, but this is what's happening, Hillary is alienating Sanders supporters, I've seen it everywhere on leftist forums, website and blogs. Sanders supports are swearing off Hillary everywhere, even when they are told that they will risk President Trump, they don't change their mind. The reaction is always the same, "well you aren't a real Democrat then and neither is Bernie".
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
Translation: we can't think of any positive reasons to vote for the EU, but here are some people you don't like that think the opposite.
If you are voting that way I suppose it depends whether the prospect of handing a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove is worse than handing one to Cameron and Osborne. Looks like a recipe for absention to me.
Not necessarily - fear of the alternative is a powerful driver of voting behaviour. The 2015 election is a case in point.
I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of commitment Labour has been putting into the Remain campaign - both financial and practical - and I think there will be a general-election level turnout from Labour supporters - perhaps more if the result looks close.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
As I said, with Trump people seem comfortable with the idea because he doesn't try and hide it. There's not very much hypocrisy unlike there is with sn't have anything like that in her camp, it's become so bad that she has had to get one of her PACs to start an astroturfing campaign to make it look like she does.
Those who think Hillary is a liar are already voting Trump it makes little difference
No they aren't, they are voting for Sanders. People on the inside of the Democratic Party don't want to see it, but this is what's happening, Hillary is alienating Sanders supporters, I've seen it everywhere on leftist forums, website and blogs. Sanders supports are swearing off Hillary everywhere, even when they are told that they will risk President Trump, they don't change their mind. The reaction is always the same, "well you aren't a real Democrat then and neither is Bernie".
Yes and as I have already pointed out umpteen times Hillary has more Democrats behind her in the polls against Trump than Trump has Republicans. The few Sanders supporters who oppose her even when the alternative is Trump probably voted Green or did not vote in 2012 anyway
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
TheSFCEmpire4152 days ago Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
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Who would have predicted six months ago that the Republicans would have sorted themselves out by May and getting behind the candidate, but the Democrats would still be flinging sh!t at each other at the convention?
The way the Nevada convention was conducted was a disgrace, Sanders delegates being barred - clearly divided chair voice motions not being sent to a vote. The thing is there is absolubtely no need for it from Hillary (And it is Hillary supporters/delegates) as they are so far ahead. But yet they've done it anyway.
Many Hillary delegates at the caucus stage (NV is complicated on the DEM side !) didn't even bother to show up !!
There has been some amazingly bias reporting of what went down in Nevada from CNN in particular, which could well lead to a Philly backlash. (Oh what a place to have a backlash in one of the most important states of the whole GE).
Meanwhile I think Trump will get a total coronation, with a minimum of fuss at the GOP convention. He will not need any unbound or super delegates either unlike Hillary
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
Translation: we can't think of any positive reasons to vote for the EU, but here are some people you don't like that think the opposite.
If you are voting that way I suppose it depends whether the prospect of handing a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove is worse than handing one to Cameron and Osborne. Looks like a recipe for absention to me.
Not necessarily - fear of the alternative is a powerful driver of voting behaviour. The 2015 election is a case in point.
I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of commitment Labour has been putting into the Remain campaign - both financial and practical - and I think there will be a general-election level turnout from Labour supporters - perhaps more if the result looks close.
That backs up what Nick Palmer said the other day about Labour's campaign being in full swing. Good to see them making an effort, a low turnout would be a shame for an important vote.
Meanwhile I think Trump will get a total coronation, with a minimum of fuss at the GOP convention. He will not need any unbound or super delegates either unlike Hillary
Yes and any malcontents who are left in the GOP actually help Trump with his positioning for the general election. Hillary doesn't benefit from the same dynamic.
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
As I said, with Trump people seem comfortable with the idea because he doesn't try and hide it. There's not very much hypocrisy unlike there is with sn't have anything like that in her camp, it's become so bad that she has had to get one of her PACs to start an astroturfing campaign to make it look like she does.
Those who think Hillary is a liar are already voting Trump it makes little difference
No they aren't, they are voting for Sanders. People on the inside of the Democratic Party don't want to see it, but this is what's happening, Hillary is alienating Sanders supporters, I've seen it everywhere on leftist forums, website and blogs. Sanders supports are swearing off Hillary everywhere, even when they are told that they will risk President Trump, they don't change their mind. The reaction is always the same, "well you aren't a real Democrat then and neither is Bernie".
Yes and as I have already pointed out umpteen times Hillary has more Democrats behind her in the polls against Trump than Trump has Republicans. The few Sanders supporters who oppose her even when the alternative is Trump probably voted Green or did not vote in 2012 anyway
And yet she is losing ground to Trump in the polls.
I like how Rasmussen don't release demographic information for their polls.
It's available to their "Platinum" subscribers if you feel like having a good chortle for a few dollars more .... full of the good, the bad and the ugly side of US polling.
Now, to be fair, he also states "The bad news is that it could still go wrong for him (David Cameron), especially if some kind of crisis erupts in the next five weeks."
Wouldn't want to think the likes of you and John Rentoul were frantically spinning something to suit the REMAIN position.
So let's all Remain in the big European La La Land; the biggest Ponzi Scheme in the world.
To be fair, Mike, every debt crisis in history is "solved" via the process of "extend and pretend". If you keep pushing back maturities and giving interest holidays, eventually inflation solved the problem.
But we don't have any inflation. How do you contrive a soft default without it? Print?
Low inflation and interest rates are horribly stifling to the global economy, and have been for a few years now - ask anyone looking to buy an annuity recently. The best hope for an injection of inflation is probably as the oil price recovers to somewhere more realistic, but that won't be without a lot of pain either. Printing only works if everyone does it, else it just devalues the currency.
But it can also write off debt. If Greece were allowed to print another 100bn euros their debts would become a lot more manageable. Of course the credibility of the Euro as a currency would take a dunt in a way that Germany would not accept but it is one possibility.
Supposedly shows Hillary switching position, Trump certainly has never changed position on abortion or healthcare or gay marriage to woo the GOP base, oh no. Hillary has plenty of ammunition herself. 7 million views out of a populationof 350 million is also not as large as it seems. Women plus minorities gives Hillary a majority
As I said, with Trump people seem comfortable with the idea because he doesn't try and hide it. There's not very much hypocrisy unlike there is with sn't have anything like that in her camp, it's become so bad that she has had to get one of her PACs to start an astroturfing campaign to make it look like she does.
Those who think Hillary is a liar are already voting Trump it makes little difference
No they aren't, they are voting for Sanders. People on the inside of the Democratic Party don't want to see it, but this is what's happening, Hillary is alienating Sanders supporters, I've seen it everywhere on leftist forums, website and blogs. Sanders supports are swearing off Hillary everywhere, even when they are told that they will risk President Trump, they don't change their mind. The reaction is always the same, "well you aren't a real Democrat then and neither is Bernie".
Yes and as I have already pointed out umpteen times Hillary has more Democrats behind her in the polls against Trump than Trump has Republicans. The few Sanders supporters who oppose her even when the alternative is Trump probably voted Green or did not vote in 2012 anyway
The Rebublican Establishment is hungry for power after 8 years of Obama, and have been further emboldened by the Supreme Court vacancy that threatens to impose a liberal majority for decades.
They will give everything they have and more to getting their candidate into the White House, even if they're not huge Trump fans and would have preferred Bush/Kaisich/Cruz to have been the nominee.
Rebublicans also hate the Clintons with a passion, will be a nasty nasty campaign on both sides. What is it they say about having a rolling-in-sh!t contest with a pig? You both end up covered in sh!t, but the pig enjoys the experience and points at your smelly body at the end! Trump is that pig.
If Leave may not be able to win this referendum but they can win the argument.
No, you win the referendum by winning the arguments.
LOL Remain haven't actually advanced any arguments.
War ! Famine ! Plague ! Pestilence !
The argument is that we're Better Together part of a Union has free trade at the heart of it.
We don;t.
The trade in services is still restricted. We only have free trade in manufactured goods, which is largely to Germany's advantage given an undervalued currency.
Interesting intervention by the very political (for a coomentator) Paul Mason on Question Time last night. He's a strong Brexiteer who says he will very possibly vote Remain because he would prefer to be in an anti democratic EU than face the likelihood of Johnson or Gove or any of the leaders of LEAVE becoming Prime Minister.
There was a similar opinion piece in the Guardian a few days ago essentially saying that there are problems with the EU but now is not the time to vote to exit and hand a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove.
Translation: we can't think of any positive reasons to vote for the EU, but here are some people you don't like that think the opposite.
If you are voting that way I suppose it depends whether the prospect of handing a political victory to UKIP, IDS & Gove is worse than handing one to Cameron and Osborne. Looks like a recipe for absention to me.
Not necessarily - fear of the alternative is a powerful driver of voting behaviour. The 2015 election is a case in point.
I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of commitment Labour has been putting into the Remain campaign - both financial and practical - and I think there will be a general-election level turnout from Labour supporters - perhaps more if the result looks close.
That backs up what Nick Palmer said the other day about Labour's campaign being in full swing. Good to see them making an effort, a low turnout would be a shame for an important vote.
A low turnout and a close result would be likely to cause huge uncertainty and a prolonged political crisis - if the turnout were 50% and the result was 51-49 for either side (meaning the winner would have secured only 30% of the electorate) the losing side would immediately cry foul and there would be demands for inquiries, reruns, resignations of all and sundry etc etc. I can't see Cameron surviving in those circumstances, and it's hard to see a parliament in which at least 75% of MPs support Remain agreeing to pass the legislation required to leave on such a weak mandate.
If Leave may not be able to win this referendum but they can win the argument.
No, you win the referendum by winning the arguments.
On to more important things. Are you at the test and is it still raining? I was depressed to see trainline was telling me to take my brolly to Leeds this morning.
That's not going to happen. They're desperate to open more shops and there's no way they'll want to close them to get the merger through. All about the machines.
They're not going to close them, they're going to sell them. And this was always understood to be part of the price of the deal.
If Leave may not be able to win this referendum but they can win the argument.
No, you win the referendum by winning the arguments.
On to more important things. Are you at the test and is it still raining? I was depressed to see trainline was telling me to take my brolly to Leeds this morning.
Is fine at the moment, but I've packed my kagool for the afternoon.
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The only consolation is it doesn't last 3 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbDXYf51RZw
I may have to take out a Super Injunction to prevent further reporting. Good lord at 120 it's a miracle "I'm still standing" ....
Woof woof .... life in the old dog yet ....
From his track "Reading PB"
"And Jack W, you'll get re-tweeted by Scott P, your 113 year old ARSE mystifies me
It's no good, you're too old and too slow, nobody listens to John O"
This is the kind of stuff that's going to hurt Hillary. She is an untrustworthy person who will say and do anything to get to the Oval office, as more people find out about it her support will dwindle. Trump is the same, don't get me wrong, but people already know that about him and seem pretty comfortable with the idea, I guess because he's not a hypocrite about it like Hillary.
By the end of the campaign it will be hardcore feminist groups and minorities left standing in her corner and a few mainstream Democrats. This video got 7m views out of nothing, now it is getting mainstream coverage so I expect that 7m will triple or quadruple before the end of the campaign. It's a video by some random dude, not anyone related to the Trump campaign, how bad is it going to be once Trump sinks his teeth into her and starts sharing these videos and all of his supporters start sharing them to family and friends.
Obviously if the polls shift in one direction or the other then that is noteworthy but we don't really know what the base level is.
Im a Bernie supporter but ill risk a Trump presidency to wake up the DNC and let the know we never wanted her crooked ass from the beginning
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Ok but a bit dangerous as you can't have too many doing it or you would end up with Scotland voting leave which would rather shoot their fox.
You are missing out:
Seizure of assets - "bloodlettings"
Takeovers - Scotland and Newfoundland.
And where is this inflation in Europe and going to come from? I can see where the takeover is coming from.
Just saying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_mayoral_election,_2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3600472/You-disgusting-Eton-educated-scaremongerer-Left-wing-journalist-s-no-holds-barred-rant-Boris-Johnson-Brexit-campaign.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Just saying.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/20/brexit-best-answer-to-dying-eurozone-eu-undemocratic-elite
If Leave was a parrot, it would be an ex parrot.
FPTP 67.9 AV= 32.1
Turnout 42.2%
Last Polls (the ones in May)
Angus Reid 39/61
Yougov 40/60
ICM 32/68
Comres 34/66
The online polls seem to have underestimated the No vote. The equivalent here would be the online polls showing a bigger remain victory than phone polls.
That turnout was dreadful though.
If Leave may not be able to win this referendum but they can win the argument.
How many did believe in gay marriage as opposed to civil partnership 12 years ago?
I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of commitment Labour has been putting into the Remain campaign - both financial and practical - and I think there will be a general-election level turnout from Labour supporters - perhaps more if the result looks close.
Many Hillary delegates at the caucus stage (NV is complicated on the DEM side !) didn't even bother to show up !!
There has been some amazingly bias reporting of what went down in Nevada from CNN in particular, which could well lead to a Philly backlash. (Oh what a place to have a backlash in one of the most important states of the whole GE).
Meanwhile I think Trump will get a total coronation, with a minimum of fuss at the GOP convention. He will not need any unbound or super delegates either unlike Hillary
War ! Famine ! Plague ! Pestilence !
Wouldn't want to think the likes of you and John Rentoul were frantically spinning something to suit the REMAIN position.
They will give everything they have and more to getting their candidate into the White House, even if they're not huge Trump fans and would have preferred Bush/Kaisich/Cruz to have been the nominee.
Rebublicans also hate the Clintons with a passion, will be a nasty nasty campaign on both sides. What is it they say about having a rolling-in-sh!t contest with a pig? You both end up covered in sh!t, but the pig enjoys the experience and points at your smelly body at the end! Trump is that pig.
The trade in services is still restricted. We only have free trade in manufactured goods, which is largely to Germany's advantage given an undervalued currency.
I stand by what I said: if it looks like Remain will win clearly, a good number of people will vote Leave to ensure it doesn't.
The UK public want as narrow a Remain victory as possible, IMHO, and will try and get it.
Most people were predicting conservatives largest party but not an overall majority.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36341839
Those overseas for more than 15 years, as per usual, won't be able to vote.
Peter Kellner is a staunch Remain supporter.
"I believe that the telephone polls are nearer the truth.", "so far, telephone polls seem to generate more accurate results"
This is confirmation bias.