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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Rock, paper, scissors?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    TOPPING said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
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    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I have the same issue on my iPad with getting more comments. And it happened around the same time. Ditto re the nesting. And it's on both IE and Chrome.

    Maybe it's only Mossad agents who are being targeted in this way? :)

    Drat !! My cover has been finally blown.
    More thought about your codename might have helped.
    :smile:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    taffys said:

    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.

    Someone posted that labour's vote in Wales is 'super efficient'. Maybe labour's enemies noticed this.
    And it is: 29/60 seats on a list vote of 31.5% and a constituency vote of 34.7% - hardly PR.

    However, it does rely on holding virtually the entirety of that great South Wales block of seats (even losing that one seat to Wood in the Rhondda was the difference between Jones being back in power and at best having to wait).
    In the long-term, that whole block of seats could unravel from Labour, just as the central belt of Scotland did.

    The trouble is (or advantage for Labour) is that opposition is split between Plaid Cymru and UKIP.

    Personally, I think a Welsh UKIP have a better chance of unpicking them, but that requires a strong Welsh leader and brand.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    TOPPING said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I have the same issue on my iPad with getting more comments. And it happened around the same time. Ditto re the nesting. And it's on both IE and Chrome.

    Maybe it's only Mossad agents who are being targeted in this way? :)

    Drat !! My cover has been finally blown.
    More thought about your codename might have helped.
    As they say irony, does not travel well on the Internet
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    But I don't think he wanted the French to be eligible to vote thereafter :wink:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Leanne Wood FM, Neil Hamilton Deputy?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,003
    HYUFD said:

    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o

    Looks like someone's stolen all the custard pies.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,414

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Try-outs!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrPkHh0u_i0
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    @HYFUD - Trump couldn't look more comfortable having all sorts of people touching and pawing him, could he?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    TOPPING said:

    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I have the same issue on my iPad with getting more comments. And it happened around the same time. Ditto re the nesting. And it's on both IE and Chrome.

    Maybe it's only Mossad agents who are being targeted in this way? :)

    Drat !! My cover has been finally blown.
    More thought about your codename might have helped.
    Lol!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,003

    taffys said:

    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.

    Someone posted that labour's vote in Wales is 'super efficient'. Maybe labour's enemies noticed this.
    And it is: 29/60 seats on a list vote of 31.5% and a constituency vote of 34.7% - hardly PR.

    However, it does rely on holding virtually the entirety of that great South Wales block of seats (even losing that one seat to Wood in the Rhondda was the difference between Jones being back in power and at best having to wait).
    In the long-term, that whole block of seats could unravel from Labour, just as the central belt of Scotland did.

    The trouble is (or advantage for Labour) is that opposition is split between Plaid Cymru and UKIP.

    Personally, I think a Welsh UKIP have a better chance of unpicking them, but that requires a strong Welsh leader and brand.
    So not Neil Hamilton then.

    But I agree - those seats are ripe for picking once a viable alternative comes along considering how several of them have been treated over the last 20 years or so.

    I'm not sure UKIP is that alternative though. The voters there might move away from Labour but not to anyone who's willing to get too close to the Conservatives, and UKIP and the Tories will side together on too many things with either Labour or Plaid (or both) in power. Plaid has more potential (as Wood herself showed, though the Rhodda has form in the Welsh Assembly elections), but not quite yet: it's still too much Eistedfod and not enough coal mine.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    taffys said:

    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.

    Someone posted that labour's vote in Wales is 'super efficient'. Maybe labour's enemies noticed this.
    And it is: 29/60 seats on a list vote of 31.5% and a constituency vote of 34.7% - hardly PR.

    However, it does rely on holding virtually the entirety of that great South Wales block of seats (even losing that one seat to Wood in the Rhondda was the difference between Jones being back in power and at best having to wait).
    In the long-term, that whole block of seats could unravel from Labour, just as the central belt of Scotland did.

    The trouble is (or advantage for Labour) is that opposition is split between Plaid Cymru and UKIP.

    Personally, I think a Welsh UKIP have a better chance of unpicking them, but that requires a strong Welsh leader and brand.
    So not Neil Hamilton then.

    But I agree - those seats are ripe for picking once a viable alternative comes along considering how several of them have been treated over the last 20 years or so.

    I'm not sure UKIP is that alternative though. The voters there might move away from Labour but not to anyone who's willing to get too close to the Conservatives, and UKIP and the Tories will side together on too many things with either Labour or Plaid (or both) in power. Plaid has more potential (as Wood herself showed, though the Rhodda has form in the Welsh Assembly elections), but not quite yet: it's still too much Eistedfod and not enough coal mine.
    Neil Hamilton has the ego to think it might be him.

    Nigel Farage has both the ego and the insecurity to feel threatened by it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,171
    HYUFD said:

    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o

    As ever, we Brits do this sort of thing much better :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKSvLk7kiI
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Mortimer said:

    Problem is Fallon made a fool of himself with his comments on the Mayoral election in London, Greg Clark was utterly useless on QT two weeks ago and Justine Greening has had a lot of bad press because her department has given money to stupid causes. My hope would be for Dominic Raab if the party wants to take a chance or Gove if it wants to play safe.

    I absolutely agree about Dominic Raab. He gave another very good performance on Daily Politics the other day.

    Raab is a good communicator.

    Frivolous comment alert: I also noticed he has had what looked to me like a new haircut. We always used to joke when I worked in Town that a new suit or hair cut must mean a job interview. Perhaps he thinks the generational shift might just play in his favour.
    I'm not sure he has enough hair to have a new style!!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735

    @HYFUD - Trump couldn't look more comfortable having all sorts of people touching and pawing him, could he?

    He likes being the anointed one!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Fascinating. Explains why Vote Leave are going so big on immigration.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o

    As ever, we Brits do this sort of thing much better :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKSvLk7kiI
    Don't go giving him ideas!!
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Fascinating indeed.

    So what happens when they find out EU immigration is already running above the levels stated there?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    This week's economic stats allows us an update on Osborne's progress:

    Firstly there's the 'March of the Makers':

    2011q1 Manufacturing output 97.0
    March 2011 Osborne proclaims the 'March of the Maker's
    2016q1 Manufacturing output 96.1

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/output/bulletins/ukindexofproduction/mar2016/555cde79

    Manufacturing output has traditionally fallen during recessions and then grown afterwards. Osborne seems to have abolished that cycle and it now never grows at all.

    Then there's the 'Trillion pound export target'

    2012q1 UK exports £128bn
    March 2012 Osborne targets doubling UK exports by 2020
    2016q1 UK exports £126bn

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/mar2016

    The normal response of the Osborne fan club when faced with any inconvenient economic data is to make excuses involving 'recession in the EuroZone'.

    But with the Osborne fan club usually being supporters of EVERCLOSERUNION that excuse has become as inconvenient as the economic data itself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Rock, paper, scissors?

    Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,171
    edited May 2016
    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o

    As ever, we Brits do this sort of thing much better :D

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKSvLk7kiI
    Don't go giving him ideas!!
    Also goes to show just how modest we are, the actual anointing is hidden from the view of the cameras (although I believe that was before this part). :p
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    @David Herdson - you might be right. Plaid came close in Blaenau Gwent and Llanelli, and good perhaps even have taken Caerphilly if they'd targeted properly. But UKIP did quite well in places like Torfaen, and had general rises in their vote of 15-20% in most places.

    It tells me that, at least, a good chunk of the Welsh valleys are seriously looking at alternatives to Labour.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    edited May 2016
    Shocked by the Queen's indiscretion about the Chinese. That could be no accident. Clearly HM is a Remainer and planned her remark as a dead-cat slam against Leave, wrenching the news cycle from Boris and his battle bus. There can be no other explanation.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,171

    Shocked by the Queen's indiscretion about the Chinese. That could be no accident. Clearly HM is a Remainer and planned her remark as a dead-cat slam against Leave, wrenching the news cycle from Boris and his battle bus. There can be no other explanation.

    Kinda shocked at the BBC for reporting it, to be honest.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited May 2016

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
  • I've only posted a couple of times on here ( the second time after a particularly pleasant bottle of Barolo and I couldn't understand it when I read it in the cold, sober light of day) but have been a long time reader of the verbal jousting at this place.

    With regards the EU Referendum, I've been trying to avoid the emotional side of the arguments and look at what questions would I need to have answered in order for me to come to a logical decision.

    I've got a series of 22 questions split across Economy, Sovereignty, Immigration and Other. I am sure that the PB brains trust could either answer these questions or point me to where I might get the answers.

    Would it be best to post the questions in the latest thread or should I submit them to our site editors for consideration of a separate thread?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
    Chillax. The data I've seen over the last few days has convinced me this could be close.

    Boris is more trusted than Dave amongst swing voters, and the economy isn't the absolute slam-dunk Remain thought it'd be. Albeit Leave really do need to pull their finger out and reassure on this.

    Remain are *not* going to win this by 60%+ and close this down for good.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,171
    Just catching up on the Welsh Assembly news. Imagine if the sole LD member had voted for Leanne Wood. Her being First Minister would have been totally out of the blue!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Shocked by the Queen's indiscretion about the Chinese. That could be no accident. Clearly HM is a Remainer and planned her remark as a dead-cat slam against Leave, wrenching the news cycle from Boris and his battle bus. There can be no other explanation.

    I know they say everyone is connected by 6 degrees of separation but getting from Liz to Boris's battle bus is stretching it a tad.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o

    As ever, we Brits do this sort of thing much better :D

    -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKSvLk7kiI
    Bloody embarrassing all round really.

    We need to get religion out of any serious decision making on other than a personal scale at some point. At least until all the religious people agree on one faith. As it stands most people think that most other people are sacrilegious. It can't be a good base.


  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,171

    I've only posted a couple of times on here ( the second time after a particularly pleasant bottle of Barolo and I couldn't understand it when I read it in the cold, sober light of day) but have been a long time reader of the verbal jousting at this place.

    With regards the EU Referendum, I've been trying to avoid the emotional side of the arguments and look at what questions would I need to have answered in order for me to come to a logical decision.

    I've got a series of 22 questions split across Economy, Sovereignty, Immigration and Other. I am sure that the PB brains trust could either answer these questions or point me to where I might get the answers.

    Would it be best to post the questions in the latest thread or should I submit them to our site editors for consideration of a separate thread?

    Might make a good thread header if the questions are thought provoking etc. Could consider sending them to Mike, or TSE, although I'm not sure what the preferred means of communication is.

    Alternatively, post them in the thread below the line, and hope they don't get drowned in the chaff.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    RobD said:

    Shocked by the Queen's indiscretion about the Chinese. That could be no accident. Clearly HM is a Remainer and planned her remark as a dead-cat slam against Leave, wrenching the news cycle from Boris and his battle bus. There can be no other explanation.

    Kinda shocked at the BBC for reporting it, to be honest.
    Clearly the BBC, Cameron and the Queen were all in cahoots. They waited for the biggest day of Leave's campaign - Boris and his bus and pasty - and aired it for optimum distraction value. It was a cute bit of royal cunning and, by heck, it worked!
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    This week's economic stats allows us an update on Osborne's progress:

    Firstly there's the 'March of the Makers':

    2011q1 Manufacturing output 97.0
    March 2011 Osborne proclaims the 'March of the Maker's
    2016q1 Manufacturing output 96.1

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/output/bulletins/ukindexofproduction/mar2016/555cde79

    Manufacturing output has traditionally fallen during recessions and then grown afterwards. Osborne seems to have abolished that cycle and it now never grows at all.

    Then there's the 'Trillion pound export target'

    2012q1 UK exports £128bn
    March 2012 Osborne targets doubling UK exports by 2020
    2016q1 UK exports £126bn

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/mar2016

    The normal response of the Osborne fan club when faced with any inconvenient economic data is to make excuses involving 'recession in the EuroZone'.

    But with the Osborne fan club usually being supporters of EVERCLOSERUNION that excuse has become as inconvenient as the economic data itself.
    Some on here won't give Ozzie any credit when things go well. But quick to blame him when things don't go well. Classic plays of Labour and Kipper types.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048

    I've only posted a couple of times on here ( the second time after a particularly pleasant bottle of Barolo and I couldn't understand it when I read it in the cold, sober light of day) but have been a long time reader of the verbal jousting at this place.

    With regards the EU Referendum, I've been trying to avoid the emotional side of the arguments and look at what questions would I need to have answered in order for me to come to a logical decision.

    I've got a series of 22 questions split across Economy, Sovereignty, Immigration and Other. I am sure that the PB brains trust could either answer these questions or point me to where I might get the answers.

    Would it be best to post the questions in the latest thread or should I submit them to our site editors for consideration of a separate thread?

    Well, I'd say just post your questions. Wait perhaps for other wiser heads to respond first though.

    If you do post them you'll probably get answers to 2 or 3, set off several arguments that will strangely finish up having parallels with Ancient Rome, and really finish up wondering why you bothered in the first place.

    However... there will be just enough to bring you back :)

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    I've only posted a couple of times on here ( the second time after a particularly pleasant bottle of Barolo and I couldn't understand it when I read it in the cold, sober light of day) but have been a long time reader of the verbal jousting at this place.

    With regards the EU Referendum, I've been trying to avoid the emotional side of the arguments and look at what questions would I need to have answered in order for me to come to a logical decision.

    I've got a series of 22 questions split across Economy, Sovereignty, Immigration and Other. I am sure that the PB brains trust could either answer these questions or point me to where I might get the answers.

    Would it be best to post the questions in the latest thread or should I submit them to our site editors for consideration of a separate thread?

    Be interesting as a thread - but you might need to edit down from 22 to nearer a dozen maybe?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,266

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    runnymede said:

    Fascinating indeed.

    So what happens when they find out EU immigration is already running above the levels stated there?
    Doesn't that also show that the remain vote is inherently softer than the Brexit one? (14% not sure vs 8%)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Sunderland are staying up....

    What a manager!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
    Chillax. The data I've seen over the last few days has convinced me this could be close.

    Boris is more trusted than Dave amongst swing voters, and the economy isn't the absolute slam-dunk Remain thought it'd be. Albeit Leave really do need to pull their finger out and reassure on this.

    Remain are *not* going to win this by 60%+ and close this down for good.
    I'm starting to think that screaming "danger, danger!" has been counterproductive.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
    We'd end up with Katherine Jenkins as First Minister....
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Sunderland are staying up....

    What a manager!

    At the moment - still a half and a bit to go - Howay The Lads.

    Ah - now it looks better.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    He's on a roll

    Faisal Islam
    Prime Minister apologises for "any misunderstanding" after calling former Imam Suliman Gani a "supporter of IS", says Downing St- inevitable
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
    I hope you weren't expecting Ozzy to abolish boom and bust.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    perdix said:

    This week's economic stats allows us an update on Osborne's progress:

    Firstly there's the 'March of the Makers':

    2011q1 Manufacturing output 97.0
    March 2011 Osborne proclaims the 'March of the Maker's
    2016q1 Manufacturing output 96.1

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/output/bulletins/ukindexofproduction/mar2016/555cde79

    Manufacturing output has traditionally fallen during recessions and then grown afterwards. Osborne seems to have abolished that cycle and it now never grows at all.

    Then there's the 'Trillion pound export target'

    2012q1 UK exports £128bn
    March 2012 Osborne targets doubling UK exports by 2020
    2016q1 UK exports £126bn

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/mar2016

    The normal response of the Osborne fan club when faced with any inconvenient economic data is to make excuses involving 'recession in the EuroZone'.

    But with the Osborne fan club usually being supporters of EVERCLOSERUNION that excuse has become as inconvenient as the economic data itself.
    Some on here won't give Ozzie any credit when things go well. But quick to blame him when things don't go well. Classic plays of Labour and Kipper types.

    Some on here won't give Ozzie any blame when things don't go well. But quick to credit him when things go well. Classic plays of cheerleader and lickspittle types.

    Are you looking forward to repaying your share of Osborne's £172bn of excess borrowing ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
    We'd end up with Katherine Jenkins as First Minister....
    Nah she only ever stays for the pre match...then buggers off to belt out a national anthem somewhere else.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    RobD said:

    Just catching up on the Welsh Assembly news. Imagine if the sole LD member had voted for Leanne Wood. Her being First Minister would have been totally out of the blue!

    And God help us. I suspect it would've lasted a week till either the Tories abstained or one of the two UKIP groups did ( being mischievous there).

    Think they are all letting Labour know they can't just assume things.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Sean_F said:

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
    Chillax. The data I've seen over the last few days has convinced me this could be close.

    Boris is more trusted than Dave amongst swing voters, and the economy isn't the absolute slam-dunk Remain thought it'd be. Albeit Leave really do need to pull their finger out and reassure on this.

    Remain are *not* going to win this by 60%+ and close this down for good.
    I'm starting to think that screaming "danger, danger!" has been counterproductive.
    I will be genuinely saddened if Cameron is remembered as The Boy Who Cried Wolf. He has turned being the biggest asset for Remain into an embarrassment of them staring at their shoes when he comes up with ever more hyperbole piled on total bollocks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited May 2016
    Some big clubs in the championship next season. I am sure Eddie spheriods will have fun visiting them ;-)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
    I hope you weren't expecting Ozzy to abolish boom and bust.
    Only New Labour has that power...
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
    I hope you weren't expecting Ozzy to abolish boom and bust.
    Osborne's certainly abolished the boom part.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,266

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
    We'd end up with Katherine Jenkins as First Minister....
    No bad thing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    I notice that mcdoom intervention has been totally overshadowed today.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    edited May 2016

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
    I hope you weren't expecting Ozzy to abolish boom and bust.
    its the osbrown way
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
    It's already gone to the public vote before deadlock. Reverse X Factor.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
    Being an Ulsterman I guess you've seen the odd march in your time. How do you rate Osborne's 'March of the Makers' ?

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    I notice that mcdoom intervention has been totally overshadowed today.

    They'll be rejoicing in the Remain camp...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    welshowl said:

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
    It's already gone to the public vote before deadlock. Reverse X Factor.
    Let's hope that Simon Cowell doesn't have the final say. They will end up on the dole within 6 months.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited May 2016

    Some big clubs in the championship next season. I am sure Eddie spheriods will have fun visiting them ;-)

    I think Norwich are like WBA, Burnley and Leicester and quite used to the highs and lows of bouncing between the top 2 divisions. It is a lot more entertaining than mid table obscurity.

    Its like British weather, you have to experience the dross to appreciate the good times.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Moses_ said:

    MikeK said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I've noticed that there is something wrong with Chrome lately. Could be a new Bug or it could be a perverse Add-On that you've placed lately, which reacts badly with Chrome.
    Ok I am all ears...

    Add on? I am not aware of what that is or how I may have done it? Say I have though Is there a way of finding out? Removing it?
    Yes. You will usually find it in the Tools menu in Firefox, and Chrome has a similar menu in Settings.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    edited May 2016



    No bad thing.

    You wouldn't hear me complaining...

    http://tinyurl.com/jbjz9vo
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932

    Sean_F said:

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
    Chillax. The data I've seen over the last few days has convinced me this could be close.

    Boris is more trusted than Dave amongst swing voters, and the economy isn't the absolute slam-dunk Remain thought it'd be. Albeit Leave really do need to pull their finger out and reassure on this.

    Remain are *not* going to win this by 60%+ and close this down for good.
    I'm starting to think that screaming "danger, danger!" has been counterproductive.
    I will be genuinely saddened if Cameron is remembered as The Boy Who Cried Wolf. He has turned being the biggest asset for Remain into an embarrassment of them staring at their shoes when he comes up with ever more hyperbole piled on total bollocks.
    Just as the answer to problems with Europe is always 'more Europe' so it seems the answer to problems with Project Fear is always more Project Fear.

    Does anyone on the Remain side have anything positive to say ever ?

    Its all rather sad IMO.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Some big clubs in the championship next season. I am sure Eddie spheriods will have fun visiting them ;-)

    I think Norwich are like WBA, Burnley and Leicester and quite used to the highs and lows of bouncing between the top 2 divisions. It is a lot more entertaining than mid table obscurity.

    Its like British weather, you have to experience the dross to appreciate the good times.
    If You ever want entertainment at carrow Road just need to give deliah a glass, I mean a bottle, or two of vino...LET'S BE HAVING YOU!!!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Sean_F said:

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
    Chillax. The data I've seen over the last few days has convinced me this could be close.

    Boris is more trusted than Dave amongst swing voters, and the economy isn't the absolute slam-dunk Remain thought it'd be. Albeit Leave really do need to pull their finger out and reassure on this.

    Remain are *not* going to win this by 60%+ and close this down for good.
    I'm starting to think that screaming "danger, danger!" has been counterproductive.
    My worries about whether our national character had changed for good are now, largely, allayed.

    We are a sensible, sober people.

    Thank goodness.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    How much has Southam got on Arsenal getting second place ?

    Oh dear me.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    welshowl said:

    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?

    Dance off....
    Surely a sing off?

    Couple of rounds of Bread of Heaven?
    It's already gone to the public vote before deadlock. Reverse X Factor.
    Let's hope that Simon Cowell doesn't have the final say. They will end up on the dole within 6 months.
    That doesn't sound too bad to me ...
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    edited May 2016

    Sean_F said:

    Vote Leave strategy (for maximum votes)

    Remain means:

    (1) More immigration
    (2) More integration and EU centralisation (no status quo)
    (3) Less money for public services and more austerity
    (4) No economic guarantees

    Six weeks left. If they move very fast, it might (just might) be do'able.

    It should be easy to stick to those 4-5 bullet points, but instead we get Boris waving a Cornish pasty. One thing Remain is, efficient at pushing the same few Project Fear lines.
    Chillax. The data I've seen over the last few days has convinced me this could be close.

    Boris is more trusted than Dave amongst swing voters, and the economy isn't the absolute slam-dunk Remain thought it'd be. Albeit Leave really do need to pull their finger out and reassure on this.

    Remain are *not* going to win this by 60%+ and close this down for good.
    I'm starting to think that screaming "danger, danger!" has been counterproductive.
    My worries about whether our national character had changed for good are now, largely, allayed.

    We are a sensible, sober people.

    Thank goodness.
    But with shite self-serving 'leadership'.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Mortimer said:

    Problem is Fallon made a fool of himself with his comments on the Mayoral election in London, Greg Clark was utterly useless on QT two weeks ago and Justine Greening has had a lot of bad press because her department has given money to stupid causes. My hope would be for Dominic Raab if the party wants to take a chance or Gove if it wants to play safe.

    I absolutely agree about Dominic Raab. He gave another very good performance on Daily Politics the other day.

    Raab is a good communicator.

    Frivolous comment alert: I also noticed he has had what looked to me like a new haircut. We always used to joke when I worked in Town that a new suit or hair cut must mean a job interview. Perhaps he thinks the generational shift might just play in his favour.
    I tried to put money on Raab as a future Tory leader a couple of years back..the guy at Paddy Power hadn't heard of him.

    Definitely ticks a lot of boxes.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714

    Oh, hello - UK industry is in recession again:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36266178

    Osborne, Need you ask.
    Being an Ulsterman I guess you've seen the odd march in your time. How do you rate Osborne's 'March of the Makers' ?

    Like walking the wrong way up a fast moving escalator
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,797
    HYUFD said:

    Possible boost to Democratic congressional candidates in November now Trump is GOP candidate

    How much more or less likely are you to support a candidate if he/she supports Donald Trump?
    All voters:
    Much more likely: 16%
    Somewhat more likely: 17%
    Somewhat less likely: 11%
    Much less likely: 38%
    Don’t know/unsure: 18%

    Independents:
    Much more likely: 10%
    Somewhat more likely: 14%
    Somewhat less likely: 12%
    Much less likely: 34%
    Don’t know/unsure: 30%
    https://morningconsult.com/2016/05/poll-voters-less-likely-to-support-candidates-who-back-trump/

    It's showing up in today's Senate polls according to RCP.

    Ohio R 42%, D 43%
    Florida R 35%, D 36%
    Pennsylvania R 45% D 44% (was a 9% R lead)

    My simulation on the 12 swing states now suggests a 60% probability of either a hung Senate (with VP having casting vote) or a Democrat Senate. Could be good news for Hillary.
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Possible boost to Democratic congressional candidates in November now Trump is GOP candidate

    How much more or less likely are you to support a candidate if he/she supports Donald Trump?
    All voters:
    Much more likely: 16%
    Somewhat more likely: 17%
    Somewhat less likely: 11%
    Much less likely: 38%
    Don’t know/unsure: 18%

    Independents:
    Much more likely: 10%
    Somewhat more likely: 14%
    Somewhat less likely: 12%
    Much less likely: 34%
    Don’t know/unsure: 30%
    https://morningconsult.com/2016/05/poll-voters-less-likely-to-support-candidates-who-back-trump/

    It's showing up in today's Senate polls according to RCP.

    Ohio R 42%, D 43%
    Florida R 35%, D 36%
    Pennsylvania R 45% D 44% (was a 9% R lead)

    My simulation on the 12 swing states now suggests a 60% probability of either a hung Senate (with VP having casting vote) or a Democrat Senate. Could be good news for Hillary.
    Plausible
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o

    As ever, we Brits do this sort of thing much better :D

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKSvLk7kiI
    Don't go giving him ideas!!
    Also goes to show just how modest we are, the actual anointing is hidden from the view of the cameras (although I believe that was before this part). :p
    We await Prince Charles' do with interest
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