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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    A deposed MSP claims Nicola Sturgeon’s “Presidential” campaign hurt the SNP’s bid for glory in Ayr.

    And Chic Brodie said “failure to showcase clear policies” affected the party’s chances of winning a national majority.

    In a broadside sure to cause shockwaves at Holyrood, Mr Brodie said defeated candidates like Ayr hopeful Jennifer Dunn deserved more of the spotlight.
    Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/dumped-snp-msp-chic-brodie-7945916#Z9RbZ2QAUoDlMl9w.99
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    All those criticising Cameron must be feeling a bit stupid right now

    https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/730420137170485248

    How much has Cameron paid him to say that ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,399
    Scott_P said:

    @PaulBrandITV: This is quite an interesting argument from @WelshConserv on why they're backing @LeanneWood for FM of Wales https://t.co/5mJNgiPCM0

    You need to get Labour away from the power and patronage they have had as their assumed birthright in Wales for a century. That is the way the other parties will break them for good. See Scotland for how it works.

    Scotland has the SNP to do the job. Wales? All it requires is for disparate parties from opposite ends of the political spectrum not to act like numpties. What could possibly go wrong?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,390

    All those criticising Cameron must be feeling a bit stupid right now

    https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/730420137170485248

    How much has Cameron paid him to say that ?
    A new Mercedes, I believe.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 13,047

    Scott_P said:

    MaxPB said:

    He will reshuffle to a unity Cabinet, Osborne, Javid and possibly Hammond will make way for the Leave big guns.

    Can someone reconcile for me

    1. Cameron will promote Leavers in a reshuffle
    2. Cameron will be gone 24 hours after the vote

    ?
    It's gonna be a helluva day....
    Why should anyone have to reconcile something for either of you ? The leadership of the Conservative Party is for the MPs and members to resolve. I don't care enough about David Cameron to make his future or that of the Party he leads a relevance regarding how I'll vote in the EU Referendum.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    Someone who didn't grovel before every world leader he met.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,399

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    From Traitorous Pig-Dog to Saviour of the Nation to Rejected by the People to OK, you can come back for a bit... That is one mighty character arc.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134
    Time for me to blast out Unchained Melody

    https://twitter.com/huw_price/status/730428193920974849
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134
    edited May 2016

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    Someone who didn't grovel before every world leader he met.
    Would you like me to give you a history lesson on the grovelling he used to do in front of FDR?

    Thank goodness his grandson, Nicholas Soames has such wisdom on the EU Referendum
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178
    CDU MPs demand merkel stop drifting to the left and restore traditional german values

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/cdu-abgeordnete-fordern-von-angela-merkel-kurskorrektur-14227105.html

    Bad time to be Poland.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    Someone who didn't grovel before every world leader he met.
    Would you like me to give you a history lesson on the grovelling he used to do in front of FDR?

    Thank goodness his grandson, Nicholas Soames has such wisdom on the EU Referendum
    Did it involve chasing him through a kitchen or asking him to threaten his own people ?

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    From Traitorous Pig-Dog to Saviour of the Nation to Rejected by the People to OK, you can come back for a bit... That is one mighty character arc.
    That's the outline of Captain America: Civil War
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134
    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    you could have just kept that to George Osbone is crap.

    but Ive been telling you that for years.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    Someone who didn't grovel before every world leader he met.
    Would you like me to give you a history lesson on the grovelling he used to do in front of FDR?

    Thank goodness his grandson, Nicholas Soames has such wisdom on the EU Referendum
    On the other hand he decided to fight a certain Mr Hitler and all the hounds of hell, when absolutely no-one else would, or could.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited May 2016
    ABrooke re Osborne.. He wasn't crap in front of the Finance Committee..they couldn't lay a finger on him.. he was polite,cool and informative..in spite of the lack of couth among the members.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178
    edited May 2016

    ABrooke re Osborne He wasn't crap in front of the Finance Committee..they couldn't lay a finger on him he was polite and informative..in spite of the lack of couth among the members.


    if that's your yardstick.

    personally I look at things like growth and economic performance.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    ABrooke..So were the Committee..he answered all of their questions..
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    ABrooke..So were the Committee..he answered all of their questions..

    so you need politicians to make your mind up for you ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,164
    edited May 2016
    Here we go again.....

    Cambridge University is embroiled in a race row after students complained about an African-themed dinner which was based on the Lion King and invited guests to "Bring your Rafikis along".

    The Africa Formal dinner saw undergraduates from Queens' College dine on traditional foods and drinks from Senegal, Morocco, South Africa and Nigeria.

    But some students called for a boycott of the traditional end-of-year event because it represents 'cultural appropriation' rather than appreciation.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/05/11/cambridge-university-in-racist-row-over-lion-king-themed-dinner/

    Its a f##king Disney Cartoon....take up the cultural inaccuracies with the fascist mouse.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,399

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Sort of on that topic of war in France... a good friend went to the Oshkosh Air Show in Wisconsin last year. Someone he knew had bought a P-51 Mustang and my friend not only got to sit in it, but they met an old boy who was in his 90's. He had flown P-51s in WW2. Over dinner, he told them of how he was chasing a Messerschmitt over Paris. To try to escape, the Luftwaffe pilot flew under the Eiffel tower. So this old boy had followed him under...

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    AaBrooke.No but maybe sometimes you could listen and learn..just like the Committee did..or keep your built in prejudices..
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    AaBrooke.No but maybe sometimes you could listen and learn..just like the Committee did..or keep your built in prejudices..

    What's wrong with prejudice ? We're all stuffed full of them you as much as anyone else.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134
    edited May 2016

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,947
    edited May 2016

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    Napoleon believed in a single European Superstate!

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178
    edited May 2016

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,399
    edited May 2016

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    You really need to share your views on the French with your fellow Remainers...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,947

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    But in his 1946 Zurich speech, he said the UK should be "friends" with a United Europe, he never said we should be part of it:

    http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    But in his 1946 Zurich speech, he said the UK should be "friends" with a United Europe, he never said we should be part of it:

    http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html
    I'm for Friends with benefits - we get to trade and screw them every so often.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,134

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    I win the contest of the best profile pic of best general in the world wars.

    Petain became ruler of France, Alanbrooke never became ruler of the UK :lol:
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited May 2016
    ABro0ke..sorry old lad.. i don't fall for that crap..If a Politician is crap I will say so...but I found out a few things from Osborne today ..who had some very aggressive questions thrown at him ..and he very coolly answered them he was confident and informed..a few members went very quiet..mainly on the Labour and Brexit side... ..
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,947

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    I win the contest of the best profile pic of best general in the world wars.

    Petain became ruler of France, Alanbrooke never became ruler of the UK :lol:
    Traitor Pig-Dog Petain!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    I win the contest of the best profile pic of best general in the world wars.

    Petain became ruler of France, Alanbrooke never became ruler of the UK :lol:
    Is that Petain ? I thought it was David Cameron. I suppose I should have known as Cameron who have had his hands up.
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    Blimey, Mr Speaker throws PM out of Parliament during a heated debate on the Panama Papers

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-36264089

    I wish Bercrow would do the same sometimes.
    I can't stand John Bercow, honestly in a few years' time we'll be saying

    'Napoleon had a Bercow complex'
    I'm too busy watching The World at War. It's my favourite episode, The Fall of France.

    I enjoy films with happy endings.
    Yup a really happy ending for the UK, we dodged a bullet. Churchill, the great fan of European integration wanted the UK and France to merge into a single country.
    you can never trust the Conservatives on Europe.
    Well he was a Liberal, and he was double defector, what do you expect?
    Someone who didn't grovel before every world leader he met.
    Would you like me to give you a history lesson on the grovelling he used to do in front of FDR?
    Thank goodness his grandson, Nicholas Soames has such wisdom on the EU Referendum
    Would you please withdraw that remark about Winston Churchill.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178
    edited May 2016

    ABro0ke..sorry old lad.. i don't fall for that crap..If a Politician is crap I will say so...but I found out a few things from Osborne today ..who had some very aggressive questions thrown at him ..and he very coolly answered them he was confident and informed..a few members went very quiet..mainly on the Labour and Brexit side... ..

    well good for you Richard.

    I on the other hand didn't. I spent the day listening to manufacturers and their suppliers saying the economy is in a shit state. View from afar view from the coalface.

    Funny old world.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    ABrooke..with all due respect.. you would not know a coalface if it slept in your bed..sat at your table and bit you in the arse..But keep counting those paperclips..
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    ABrooke..with all due respect.. you would not know a coalface if it slept in your bed..sat at your table and bit you in the arse..But keep counting those paperclips..

    Well to be fair Richard it was an easy wind up.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    ABrooke..no it was a vacuous one..and failed....but don't let put you off..always room for improvement..
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178
    Of course Richard.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    Certainly not that war, Castlereagh and Wellington both being Irish. One also thinks of General Ross, unfortunately killed in America in 1814. Later on, in Victorian times, Paddy Gough (who had fought as a junior officer in the Peninsula and was the son of a Colonel) became commander in chief in India and won some notable victories - mad a hatter, mind you.

    As a fine point of interest a survey of the army found that 42% of serving soldiers were Irish, and only slightly more than 30% were English.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    Certainly not that war, Castlereagh and Wellington both being Irish. One also thinks of General Ross, unfortunately killed in America in 1814. Later on, in Victorian times, Paddy Gough (who had fought as a junior officer in the Peninsula and was the son of a Colonel) became commander in chief in India and won some notable victories - mad a hatter, mind you.

    As a fine point of interest a survey of the army found that 42% of serving soldiers were Irish, and only slightly more than 30% were English.
    Good to see you Mr L

    of course if you want mad as a hatter you could try Brigadier General John Nicholson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nicholson_(East_India_Company_officer)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,947

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    Certainly not that war, Castlereagh and Wellington both being Irish. One also thinks of General Ross, unfortunately killed in America in 1814. Later on, in Victorian times, Paddy Gough (who had fought as a junior officer in the Peninsula and was the son of a Colonel) became commander in chief in India and won some notable victories - mad a hatter, mind you.

    As a fine point of interest a survey of the army found that 42% of serving soldiers were Irish, and only slightly more than 30% were English.
    Good to see you Mr L

    of course if you want mad as a hatter you could try Brigadier General John Nicholson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nicholson_(East_India_Company_officer)
    British Indian Army was majority Indian, making the Rising of 1857 effectively an Indian Civil War.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    Certainly not that war, Castlereagh and Wellington both being Irish. One also thinks of General Ross, unfortunately killed in America in 1814. Later on, in Victorian times, Paddy Gough (who had fought as a junior officer in the Peninsula and was the son of a Colonel) became commander in chief in India and won some notable victories - mad a hatter, mind you.

    As a fine point of interest a survey of the army found that 42% of serving soldiers were Irish, and only slightly more than 30% were English.
    Good to see you Mr L

    of course if you want mad as a hatter you could try Brigadier General John Nicholson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nicholson_(East_India_Company_officer)
    British Indian Army was majority Indian, making the Rising of 1857 effectively an Indian Civil War.
    Nicholson strode into the British mess tent at Jullunder, coughed to attract the attention of the officers, then said, "I am sorry, gentlemen, to have kept you waiting for your dinner, but I have been hanging your cooks." He had been told that the regimental chefs had poisoned the soup with aconite. When they refused to taste it for him, he force fed it to a monkey - and when it expired on the spot, he proceeded to hang the cooks from a nearby tree without a trial.[9]
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,947
    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    Nesting is fine on my compy, Mr Moses. And I'm using crappy IE.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,131
    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    Certainly not that war, Castlereagh and Wellington both being Irish. One also thinks of General Ross, unfortunately killed in America in 1814. Later on, in Victorian times, Paddy Gough (who had fought as a junior officer in the Peninsula and was the son of a Colonel) became commander in chief in India and won some notable victories - mad a hatter, mind you.

    As a fine point of interest a survey of the army found that 42% of serving soldiers were Irish, and only slightly more than 30% were English.
    Good to see you Mr L

    of course if you want mad as a hatter you could try Brigadier General John Nicholson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nicholson_(East_India_Company_officer)
    Thanks for that, I knew of Nicholson's career but not that he was an Ulsterman, which explains a lot.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,078

    Time for me to blast out Unchained Melody

    https://twitter.com/huw_price/status/730428193920974849

    Voting UKIP gives you Wood?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,178
    Oh no

    Flush Gordon is back to tell us how to vote
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,177
    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    Hi Moses. What is your setting here - http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/profile/quotes

    On a slightly unrelated note, the edit comment box is now absolutely tiny when I need to correct a mistake in a post (as I often do). Wonder if that is controlled by vanilla and not PB.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    There is something rather cool about getting foreign fools to fight your wars and then you take the credit
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,177

    Here we go again.....

    Cambridge University is embroiled in a race row after students complained about an African-themed dinner which was based on the Lion King and invited guests to "Bring your Rafikis along".

    The Africa Formal dinner saw undergraduates from Queens' College dine on traditional foods and drinks from Senegal, Morocco, South Africa and Nigeria.

    But some students called for a boycott of the traditional end-of-year event because it represents 'cultural appropriation' rather than appreciation.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/05/11/cambridge-university-in-racist-row-over-lion-king-themed-dinner/

    Its a f##king Disney Cartoon....take up the cultural inaccuracies with the fascist mouse.

    Who decides the boundary between appropriation and appreciation. Are they saying that only people of a culture can enjoy the products of that culture?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,102

    Here we go again.....

    Cambridge University is embroiled in a race row after students complained about an African-themed dinner which was based on the Lion King and invited guests to "Bring your Rafikis along".

    The Africa Formal dinner saw undergraduates from Queens' College dine on traditional foods and drinks from Senegal, Morocco, South Africa and Nigeria.

    But some students called for a boycott of the traditional end-of-year event because it represents 'cultural appropriation' rather than appreciation.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/05/11/cambridge-university-in-racist-row-over-lion-king-themed-dinner/

    Its a f##king Disney Cartoon....take up the cultural inaccuracies with the fascist mouse.

    Do these students merit such attention? I think we may be in danger of becoming addicted to outrage about outrage.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,164
    edited May 2016

    Here we go again.....

    Cambridge University is embroiled in a race row after students complained about an African-themed dinner which was based on the Lion King and invited guests to "Bring your Rafikis along".

    The Africa Formal dinner saw undergraduates from Queens' College dine on traditional foods and drinks from Senegal, Morocco, South Africa and Nigeria.

    But some students called for a boycott of the traditional end-of-year event because it represents 'cultural appropriation' rather than appreciation.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/05/11/cambridge-university-in-racist-row-over-lion-king-themed-dinner/

    Its a f##king Disney Cartoon....take up the cultural inaccuracies with the fascist mouse.

    Do these students merit such attention? I think we may be in danger of becoming addicted to outrage about outrage.

    I would say no, but then look at the whole Rhodes Must Fall. It was in the media for weeks on end, in particular the Guardian.

    It has become a real issue in the US, especially among a section of liberals, and appears to be "coming over here". Stephen Fry made some very good points about this in a recent interview in the US. It is one thing to complain, but the "regressives" are taking this stuff to the nth degree and making demands it be shut down and stopped or else.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    Here we go again.....

    Cambridge University is embroiled in a race row after students complained about an African-themed dinner which was based on the Lion King and invited guests to "Bring your Rafikis along".

    The Africa Formal dinner saw undergraduates from Queens' College dine on traditional foods and drinks from Senegal, Morocco, South Africa and Nigeria.

    But some students called for a boycott of the traditional end-of-year event because it represents 'cultural appropriation' rather than appreciation.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/05/11/cambridge-university-in-racist-row-over-lion-king-themed-dinner/

    Its a f##king Disney Cartoon....take up the cultural inaccuracies with the fascist mouse.

    Do these students merit such attention? I think we may be in danger of becoming addicted to outrage about outrage.

    They shouldn't. But some of them will be in positions of authority in a few years' time. Labour MPs even.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,493
    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,102
    Sad news about Tony Cozier. I always enjoyed listening to him. Great voice, very knowledgeable. RIP.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    Hi Moses. What is your setting here - http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/profile/quotes

    On a slightly unrelated note, the edit comment box is now absolutely tiny when I need to correct a mistake in a post (as I often do). Wonder if that is controlled by vanilla and not PB.
    Never seen that part before. I have a setting of folding quotes 1 level deep. No idea if that's right or wrong. However now I have returned back to PB site the comments edit box has returned to the full size

    WTF?

    EDIT - large nesting on first page now so all comments show all nesting so that's changed also???
    Almost impossible to read and use site now.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,102
    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?

    Ditto.

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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,234
    I see Bernie Sanders won the West Virginia primary, outpolling not only Clinton but 2012's anti-establishment Democrat candidate, Keith Judd, who won 41 per cent despite not running a campaign and being a convicted felon serving a prison sentence.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,388
    Alistair said:
    as expected just decline except latest help from middle class labour voters, going nowhere and still circling the drain
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.

    Someone posted that labour's vote in Wales is 'super efficient'. Maybe labour's enemies noticed this.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Changing the subject for a moment, it would seem that the Turkey/EU deal over migrants may not being ahead after all.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/turkey-refuses-to-change-terrorism-law-in-stand-off-with-eu/

    Not that it should make a blind bit of difference to the UK either way but perceptions matter.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?

    Ditto.

    Well at least that means it's not me screwing up some settings here though that's not much good for those with this issue.

    What to do???
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,388
    Scott_P said:

    A deposed MSP claims Nicola Sturgeon’s “Presidential” campaign hurt the SNP’s bid for glory in Ayr.

    And Chic Brodie said “failure to showcase clear policies” affected the party’s chances of winning a national majority.

    In a broadside sure to cause shockwaves at Holyrood, Mr Brodie said defeated candidates like Ayr hopeful Jennifer Dunn deserved more of the spotlight.
    Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/dumped-snp-msp-chic-brodie-7945916#Z9RbZ2QAUoDlMl9w.99

    Turnip of the day award by a mile
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,802
    edited May 2016


    I would say no, but then look at the whole Rhodes Must Fall. It was in the media for weeks on end, in particular the Guardian.

    It has become a real issue in the US, especially among a section of liberals, and appears to be "coming over here". Stephen Fry made some very good points about this in a recent interview in the US. It is one thing to complain, but the "regressives" are taking this stuff to the nth degree and making demands it be shut down and stopped or else.

    Have you seen the 'TriggleyPuff' incident during a debate on one of the US campuses?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,388

    George Osborne is crap in comparison to his French counterpart

    Knickergate: French finance minister admits acting 'inappropriately' after allegations he twanged the elastic of female journalist's underwear

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3585173/Knickergate-French-finance-minister-admits-acting-inappropriately.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    I'm watching Hasso von Manteuffel,

    Invasion of France, Barbarossa, Kursk, Battle of the Bulge.

    That's the kind of Liberal MP you need.
    Indeed, I'm off to speak to the Remain team in Manchester and see what I can do to keep the UK in our rightful place in the EU.

    We should remodel the EU like the Seventh Coalition, unite Europe to give the French a good hiding, which was of course led by someone who was an Old Etonian Tory Prime Minister.
    I think you'll find it was an Ulsterman put the seventh coalition together

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

    let's face it the english can't actually win wars without someone to do their thinking for them
    Certainly not that war, Castlereagh and Wellington both being Irish. One also thinks of General Ross, unfortunately killed in America in 1814. Later on, in Victorian times, Paddy Gough (who had fought as a junior officer in the Peninsula and was the son of a Colonel) became commander in chief in India and won some notable victories - mad a hatter, mind you.

    As a fine point of interest a survey of the army found that 42% of serving soldiers were Irish, and only slightly more than 30% were English.
    Good to see you Mr L

    of course if you want mad as a hatter you could try Brigadier General John Nicholson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nicholson_(East_India_Company_officer)
    British Indian Army was majority Indian, making the Rising of 1857 effectively an Indian Civil War.
    Nicholson strode into the British mess tent at Jullunder, coughed to attract the attention of the officers, then said, "I am sorry, gentlemen, to have kept you waiting for your dinner, but I have been hanging your cooks." He had been told that the regimental chefs had poisoned the soup with aconite. When they refused to taste it for him, he force fed it to a monkey - and when it expired on the spot, he proceeded to hang the cooks from a nearby tree without a trial.[9]
    Changed days now , not many like that left we would give them UK passports and jail the General for political incorrectness.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    One black-swan event that could help Mr Trump: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/10/obamacare-22-higher-costs-threaten-democrats/

    OK it's Breitbart, but if the s**t hits the fan on 1st November, a few Democrats might be less enthusiastic to support Hillary/ Bernie.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,804
    Interesting article, though I think on the Tory side Hammond more likely than Farron. Chuka will likely wait until after the general election before launching another leadership bid
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,388

    ABrooke re Osborne.. He wasn't crap in front of the Finance Committee..they couldn't lay a finger on him.. he was polite,cool and informative..in spite of the lack of couth among the members.

    Tongues not long enough then to do a proper job
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    PBers..on a very sombre and totally non Partisan note can I pass the following information..Recently a very good friend of mine was diagnosed with a terminal cancer..which apparently began in his Prostate..he has just a short time left with us.
    In 2005 ,during a routine BUPA check up my Doctor discovered unusual growth patterns on my Prostate...I know..its suppertime and offputting but stay with it..subsequent examinations led him to tell me that I had four months to live..or as he put it "You will not be opening any Xmas pressies"..this was in August.
    Fortunately or otherwise.. depending on your political stance..I survived..Good Surgery and a brilliant American Doc and his team...I would therefor urge all PBers..male of course ..above the age of forty to have a PSI blood test and a digital examination..caught early this killer can be delayed..Do it tomorrow...Lefties should wait a week or two..xx
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Ridiculously over the top, apparently:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4ec871c4-1795-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product#axzz48G3ZU1kZ

    "A Brexit vote could “unravel” the European Union and endanger peace and stability in the region, two former senior US officials from Democratic and Republican administrations warned on Wednesday."
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I have the same issue on my iPad with getting more comments. And it happened around the same time. Ditto re the nesting. And it's on both IE and Chrome.

    Maybe it's only Mossad agents who are being targeted in this way? :)

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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,493
    taffys said:

    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.

    Someone posted that labour's vote in Wales is 'super efficient'. Maybe labour's enemies noticed this.
    And it is: 29/60 seats on a list vote of 31.5% and a constituency vote of 34.7% - hardly PR.

    However, it does rely on holding virtually the entirety of that great South Wales block of seats (even losing that one seat to Wood in the Rhondda was the difference between Jones being back in power and at best having to wait).
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,977

    Problem is Fallon made a fool of himself with his comments on the Mayoral election in London, Greg Clark was utterly useless on QT two weeks ago and Justine Greening has had a lot of bad press because her department has given money to stupid causes. My hope would be for Dominic Raab if the party wants to take a chance or Gove if it wants to play safe.

    I absolutely agree about Dominic Raab. He gave another very good performance on Daily Politics the other day.

    Raab is a good communicator.

    Frivolous comment alert: I also noticed he has had what looked to me like a new haircut. We always used to joke when I worked in Town that a new suit or hair cut must mean a job interview. Perhaps he thinks the generational shift might just play in his favour.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I've noticed that there is something wrong with Chrome lately. Could be a new Bug or it could be a perverse Add-On that you've placed lately, which reacts badly with Chrome.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,804
    Possible boost to Democratic congressional candidates in November now Trump is GOP candidate

    How much more or less likely are you to support a candidate if he/she supports Donald Trump?
    All voters:
    Much more likely: 16%
    Somewhat more likely: 17%
    Somewhat less likely: 11%
    Much less likely: 38%
    Don’t know/unsure: 18%

    Independents:
    Much more likely: 10%
    Somewhat more likely: 14%
    Somewhat less likely: 12%
    Much less likely: 34%
    Don’t know/unsure: 30%
    https://morningconsult.com/2016/05/poll-voters-less-likely-to-support-candidates-who-back-trump/
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    taffys said:

    Re Wales, worth noting that Welsh Labour had a poor election in many ways. Obviously any party will (or at least, should) look to maximise their return within the electoral system operating, and Labour did that. Even so, were the split between constituency and list AMs the same as for the Scottish Parliament i.e. constituency members making up 57% rather than 67%, Leanne Wood would almost certainly be First Minister now, assuming all else is equal.

    Of course, all else might very well not be equal. Presumably Carwyn Jones thought that he was near-enough a shoo-in for the job being only one short; had he finished four or five short, he might have worked a bit harder to do a deal.

    Someone posted that labour's vote in Wales is 'super efficient'. Maybe labour's enemies noticed this.
    And it is: 29/60 seats on a list vote of 31.5% and a constituency vote of 34.7% - hardly PR.

    However, it does rely on holding virtually the entirety of that great South Wales block of seats (even losing that one seat to Wood in the Rhondda was the difference between Jones being back in power and at best having to wait).
    Suddenly Welsh politics is interesting. It's only taken about a century.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I have the same issue on my iPad with getting more comments. And it happened around the same time. Ditto re the nesting. And it's on both IE and Chrome.

    Maybe it's only Mossad agents who are being targeted in this way? :)

    Drat !! My cover has been finally blown.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    @cyclefree
    Oddly when answering that last post from you the comment nesting opened up on that one post. All the others on the first page remain the same. Bizarre?

    *reaches for tinfoil*
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    PBers..on a very sombre and totally non Partisan note can I pass the following information..Recently a very good friend of mine was diagnosed with a terminal cancer..which apparently began in his Prostate..he has just a short time left with us.
    In 2005 ,during a routine BUPA check up my Doctor discovered unusual growth patterns on my Prostate...I know..its suppertime and offputting but stay with it..subsequent examinations led him to tell me that I had four months to live..or as he put it "You will not be opening any Xmas pressies"..this was in August.
    Fortunately or otherwise.. depending on your political stance..I survived..Good Surgery and a brilliant American Doc and his team...I would therefor urge all PBers..male of course ..above the age of forty to have a PSI blood test and a digital examination..caught early this killer can be delayed..Do it tomorrow...Lefties should wait a week or two..xx

    Bloody hell MrDodd. That's terrible but really glad you made it through. Must be an awful situation to be in words don't really cover it. Hope all goes well in the future and yes I have already done what you say as my doc said I should.
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,954
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting article, though I think on the Tory side Hammond more likely than Farron. Chuka will likely wait until after the general election before launching another leadership bid

    Do you mean Michael Farron, or Tim Fallon?
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Changing the subject for a moment, it would seem that the Turkey/EU deal over migrants may not being ahead after all.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/turkey-refuses-to-change-terrorism-law-in-stand-off-with-eu/

    Not that it should make a blind bit of difference to the UK either way but perceptions matter.

    It may not make a difference to the UK but if Turkey lets through a load of migrants in the next few weeks and we have the same pictures on our screens as happened last year then that might affect the immigration issue's salience in the EU referendum.

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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    MikeK said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I've noticed that there is something wrong with Chrome lately. Could be a new Bug or it could be a perverse Add-On that you've placed lately, which reacts badly with Chrome.
    Ok I am all ears...

    Add on? I am not aware of what that is or how I may have done it? Say I have though Is there a way of finding out? Removing it?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,804
    Donald Trump blessed by religious leaders
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4c2uoOF3o
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Cyclefree said:

    Changing the subject for a moment, it would seem that the Turkey/EU deal over migrants may not being ahead after all.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/turkey-refuses-to-change-terrorism-law-in-stand-off-with-eu/

    Not that it should make a blind bit of difference to the UK either way but perceptions matter.

    It may not make a difference to the UK but if Turkey lets through a load of migrants in the next few weeks and we have the same pictures on our screens as happened last year then that might affect the immigration issue's salience in the EU referendum.

    Matthew Goodwin pointed out something interesting from recent Ipsos Mori Graph. Remainers have a FFS immigration ceiling. If EU immigration numbers rise from here, even in a quite small way, there is a big flake off to don;t know or even leave.

    And here's the thing. It may soon revealed that immigration numbers have been much much larger than those that have already been sending some into orbit.

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,399
    I see ITV have a programme on tonight called "Killer Women with Piers Morgan".

    Is it too much to hope....?

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,947

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting article, though I think on the Tory side Hammond more likely than Farron. Chuka will likely wait until after the general election before launching another leadership bid

    Do you mean Michael Farron, or Tim Fallon?
    Bernard Fallon :)
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,403
    taffys said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Changing the subject for a moment, it would seem that the Turkey/EU deal over migrants may not being ahead after all.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/turkey-refuses-to-change-terrorism-law-in-stand-off-with-eu/

    Not that it should make a blind bit of difference to the UK either way but perceptions matter.

    It may not make a difference to the UK but if Turkey lets through a load of migrants in the next few weeks and we have the same pictures on our screens as happened last year then that might affect the immigration issue's salience in the EU referendum.

    Matthew Goodwin pointed out something interesting from recent Ipsos Mori Graph. Remainers have a FFS immigration ceiling. If EU immigration numbers rise from here, even in a quite small way, there is a big flake off to don;t know or even leave.

    And here's the thing. It may soon revealed that immigration numbers have been much much larger than those that have already been sending some into orbit.

    The ONS publish the latest migration figures on Thursday 26 May. That will be quite an interesting day in the campaign.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,352
    Mr Dodd,

    A sad story but fortunately with a happy ending. Not sure about having a PSA test without symptoms though. A few false positives still, and it unleashes a load of tests/procedures. I'll wait until the urology surgeons recommend it as routine.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    If Brexit is going to result in people shunning us in trade , terrorists coming around and kicking our doors in and the potential for world war but none of this will happen if we remain........

    Isn't the EU just a glorified protection racket?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,314
    This week's economic stats allows us an update on Osborne's progress:

    Firstly there's the 'March of the Makers':

    2011q1 Manufacturing output 97.0
    March 2011 Osborne proclaims the 'March of the Maker's
    2016q1 Manufacturing output 96.1

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/chartimage?uri=/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/output/bulletins/ukindexofproduction/mar2016/555cde79

    Manufacturing output has traditionally fallen during recessions and then grown afterwards. Osborne seems to have abolished that cycle and it now never grows at all.

    Then there's the 'Trillion pound export target'

    2012q1 UK exports £128bn
    March 2012 Osborne targets doubling UK exports by 2020
    2016q1 UK exports £126bn

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/mar2016

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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Does anyone have a solution to the draw in the selection of the leader for the Welsh parliament?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,791
    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Moses_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Moses_ said:

    Something really wrong with the site. All the nesting has opened up so threads are a huuuuuugee length.
    The page Is spread completely across the screen such that the writing is so small you cant read it
    If you expand the page to get larger text you then have to scroll all the way along the line and then back for the next sentence.
    The edit function is so small you can see to edit
    When you finally get the cursor into to edit you can't move it. I know this site is free but it's as good as now unreadable and unusable.
    Have to move the page way over to the right to even find the post comment button.


    It all started last Sunday as far as I can tell and has got steadily worse. This is actually the worse I have seen this ever since I started on the site which is a few years now.

    Mods can someone do something ? Please???

    It is looking fine in IE, Firefox and Chrome.
    I am using chrome on an IPad it's the latest type of IPad and I have never had a problem previously. It seems ok on the first set of comments but as soon as I go for more comments it goes berserk. There is no problems with any other site I go to and there was no problem here until last Sunday. Something changed then.

    I haven't changed any settings on the iPad?
    I have the same issue on my iPad with getting more comments. And it happened around the same time. Ditto re the nesting. And it's on both IE and Chrome.

    Maybe it's only Mossad agents who are being targeted in this way? :)

    Drat !! My cover has been finally blown.
    More thought about your codename might have helped.
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