Many on the Left and some on the right don't think Israel has a right to exist, and that is the nub of the question. Many in the British Foreign Office believe it to this day.
Don't forget it was a British Labour government that after the Second World War, incarcerated and sent Jews back to concentration camps in Europe or to camps in Cyprus, when caught as illegal immigrants attempting to enter Mandated Palestine, which was their only hope of starting a new life.
Someone said on PB that many people can't stand it that the Jews have a state, at all. And the fact that these same Jews can actually defend themselves causes them to froth at the mouth.
I don't know if anybody watched / watching the pledge in sky news. It quite good, mainly because unlike the likes of dateline on BBC news, it isn't all liberal lefties metro elite journos.
Many on the Left and some on the right don't think Israel has a right to exist, and that is the nub of the question. Many in the British Foreign Office believe it to this day.
Don't forget it was a British Labour government that after the Second World War, incarcerated and sent Jews back to concentration camps in Europe or to camps in Cyprus, when caught as illegal immigrants attempting to enter Mandated Palestine, which was their only hope of starting a new life.
Someone said on PB that many people can't stand it that the Jews have a state, at all. And the fact that these same Jews can actually defend themselves causes them to froth at the mouth.
British Governments of all colours have done a lot of things of which, in the light of history, we should be ashamed. No-one has clean hands.
A flavour of the bonfire engulfing Labour, tonight. This is from one Corbynite to another (the latter possibly a bit regretful)
@leninology I've never seen anything so shameful, so truly cowardly yet also belligerent and full of self-importance, as @OwenJones84 today.
This is how Corbynism will end, not with a sudden collapse, but as a farewell symphony, with erstwhile supporters blowing out their candles and drifting away in ones and twos.
Greek words? Just more luvvie, metrosexual, liberal, elite lecturing from the kind of people who drink coffee and eat salads and take holidays in exotic places like Northern Ireland.
Good article. Lay the favourite, and lay the second favourite too! The value is in 3rd and 4th favourites May and Gove who were both 8/1 last time I looked.
"I joined the Labour Party 32 years ago. I’ve campaigned in almost every election, local and national, since then. I worked for the Labour Party as a staff member, I represented it in Parliament, I was a minister in a Labour government.
I am Labour.
And today I am sitting in utter horror and abjection as a senior member of my party’s ruling National Executive Committee talks about Adolf Hitler.
"I joined the Labour Party 32 years ago. I’ve campaigned in almost every election, local and national, since then. I worked for the Labour Party as a staff member, I represented it in Parliament, I was a minister in a Labour government.
I am Labour.
And today I am sitting in utter horror and abjection as a senior member of my party’s ruling National Executive Committee talks about Adolf Hitler.
Oh God."
As hug a Hitler would say, he doesn't know his history...it's just like 1066.
Don't see the header as bearing any great relation to the truth whatsoever. The Labour bits maybe, but I don't think for one moment that they translate over.
For example "The Conservative party will shortly be required to select a new leader." - er, no.
On topic. It won't be Osbrown. It won't be Javid. It won't be whoever is Education Secretary. It could be Boris - he'll be one of the two on the ballot let's put it like that. I can't see it being Theresa May - she is a total absence of Thatcher despite the "she's a woman just like the blessed Margaret".
So it'll be Stephen Crabb. He's not batshit crazy. He's sane looking and sounding. He's not posh. He did a good enough to get promoted not bad enough to be noticed job prior to becoming the new IDS, and if he manages to de-evil the DWP he'll be hailed as the new face if compassionate conservatism.
If the local election results turn out negative for Labour next week, what chance that someone will cross the floor or resign the whip? Who's Labour's Reckless TPD?
Good piece, makes a great deal of sense on the face of it. I'm quite intrigued to see how the next Tory leader, this year or next, decides to pitch for votes as compared to Cameron, based on what they offered their party
Don't see the header as bearing any great relation to the truth whatsoever. The Labour bits maybe, but I don't think for one moment that they translate over.
For example "The Conservative party will shortly be required to select a new leader." - er, no.
Depends how you define shortly. 3-36months is fairly short in political terms.
Explaining to my son recent events in Labour we got to talking about the holocaust. He got a bit confused (he is dyslexic) and talked about the jews living in gateaux in the past :-)
So what's the consensus? Was Hitler a Zionist or not?
People who believe that Hitler was a Zionist are the same sort of people who would have taken Hitler as a man of his word over the Munich agreement, or Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
I must apologise to some of my fellow Leavers on another matter - I thought complaints Cameron should have remained out of the argument on the EU and presented a more neutral case were pointless and have no resonance with people, but I had a discussion with a colleague today, undecided thus far they said, who expressed a desire for just that, for their PM to offer than rather than hearing from people like Obama or the IMF looking out for their own interests.
On topic. It won't be Osbrown. It won't be Javid. It won't be whoever is Education Secretary. It could be Boris - he'll be one of the two on the ballot let's put it like that. I can't see it being Theresa May - she is a total absence of Thatcher despite the "she's a woman just like the blessed Margaret".
So it'll be Stephen Crabb. He's not batshit crazy. He's sane looking and sounding. He's not posh. He did a good enough to get promoted not bad enough to be noticed job prior to becoming the new IDS, and if he manages to de-evil the DWP he'll be hailed as the new face if compassionate conservatism.
No- he has the charisma of a wet lettuce leaf - and was a 'flipper' in the expenses scandal.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
Cameron got one thing right...too many tweets make a...
So what's the consensus? Was Hitler a Zionist or not?
People who believe that Hitler was a Zionist are the same sort of people who would have taken Hitler as a man of his word over the Munich agreement, or Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
So what's the consensus? Was Hitler a Zionist or not?
People who believe that Hitler was a Zionist are the same sort of people who would have taken Hitler as a man of his word over the Munich agreement, or Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
I think they're more the sort of people who write letters in crayon to national newspapers.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
Many university career advisers tell students to keep Facebook private & be careful what you post / delete anything you think is iffy, as no matter what job you are going for they are likely to go a Google search on you.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
I should be safe to try then, perhaps, as I'm not on Facebook or Twitter - now I just need to know how political wonks get elected without being party hacks. That may prove difficult.
But one day we will elect our first dick pic PM. What a day it shall be.
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
I should be safe to try then, perhaps, as I'm not on Facebook or Twitter - now I just need to know how political wonks get elected without being party hacks. That may prove difficult.
But one day we will elect our first dick pic PM. What a day it shall be.
I thought it was alleged that Cameron already had taken that crown :-)
So what's the consensus? Was Hitler a Zionist or not?
People who believe that Hitler was a Zionist are the same sort of people who would have taken Hitler as a man of his word over the Munich agreement, or Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
I should be safe to try then, perhaps, as I'm not on Facebook or Twitter - now I just need to know how political wonks get elected without being party hacks. That may prove difficult.
But one day we will elect our first dick pic PM. What a day it shall be.
I thought it was alleged that Cameron already had taken that crown :-)
Not at all, for that was (allegedly) taken by someone else, I meant to refer the uploading of a dick selfie. When we hit the dick singularity, such categorisation will be important. I just hope this is not the 'completely wrong way' parties will select their leader that the thread title refers to.
So what's the consensus? Was Hitler a Zionist or not?
People who believe that Hitler was a Zionist are the same sort of people who would have taken Hitler as a man of his word over the Munich agreement, or Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Nev Chamberlain and Joseph Vissarionivich?
Nev Chamberlain stepped off the plane, waved the paper, then ramped up war production to full gear, Stalin was more gullible.
But people who now insist that Hitler was a Zionist would presumably also argue that Hitler intended to honour both agreements and signed them in good faith.
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She might have been the first Red Indian President.
@lindasgrant 9m9 minutes ago Thought has grown all day that Ken Livingstone is showing early signs of dementia. Not just memory loss but a verbal incontinence.
There was something very "odd" about his TV performance. Not just drunk, but off-kilter.
Is there anybody riding high right now, other than the SNP? And some argue they shouldn't be (even though they are). It's an uninspiring period, with a lot of unhappy parties as well.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
Many university career advisers tell students to keep Facebook private & be careful what you post / delete anything you think is iffy, as no matter what job you are going for they are likely to go a Google search on you.
Quite. I do some work with schools and parents along similar lines. It's very difficult to keep anything truly 'private' unless you use Facebook account as a personal scrapbook with no friends to see anything.
Remember that the day you're in the news, the press will find your "friends" and start asking them what they have on you - while waving red banknotes in their faces.
Interesting article. It:s a helpful way to look at the next Tory leader/PM question, I think.
I agree that laying Boris is the clearest course right now.
If there were no referendum then I would seriously fancy Hammond's chances: unflashy senior minister, not noticeably on manoeuvres, not noticeably anything in fact.
But, there is a referendum. Isn't the most likely outcome that Gove is in the last two and wins? Of your unCameron traits the most salient will be Eurosceptic which, these days, means Leaver. At least one Leaver will be in the last two and if it's not Boris it is very likely to be Gove.
And my impression is that the membership will choose Leavitude over electability, so Gove would beat May or Hammond.
On topic. It won't be Osbrown. It won't be Javid. It won't be whoever is Education Secretary. It could be Boris - he'll be one of the two on the ballot let's put it like that. I can't see it being Theresa May - she is a total absence of Thatcher despite the "she's a woman just like the blessed Margaret".
So it'll be Stephen Crabb. He's not batshit crazy. He's sane looking and sounding. He's not posh. He did a good enough to get promoted not bad enough to be noticed job prior to becoming the new IDS, and if he manages to de-evil the DWP he'll be hailed as the new face if compassionate conservatism.
I don't think so. He's gone in far too strongly and unashamedly for Remain.
@lindasgrant 9m9 minutes ago Thought has grown all day that Ken Livingstone is showing early signs of dementia. Not just memory loss but a verbal incontinence.
There was something very "odd" about his TV performance. Not just drunk, but off-kilter.
I hope that is not the case, it would excuse his behaviour somewhat, as well a engendering sympathy for him, even from me, and right now I don't want to sympathise for the man.
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She'll hopefully run in 2020. Bernie won't run again and Hillary might not even if she wins this time.
I am a left wing Labour member but I respect David Davies, I think he ticks the boxes. Not sure about the unifier one
I think I'm being kind when I say that he doesn't have a following amongst MPs. Besides, it won't be a backbencher without recent ministerial experience - we're picking a PM here.
@lindasgrant 9m9 minutes ago Thought has grown all day that Ken Livingstone is showing early signs of dementia. Not just memory loss but a verbal incontinence.
There was something very "odd" about his TV performance. Not just drunk, but off-kilter.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
I should be safe to try then, perhaps, as I'm not on Facebook or Twitter - now I just need to know how political wonks get elected without being party hacks. That may prove difficult.
But one day we will elect our first dick pic PM. What a day it shall be.
I thought it was alleged that Cameron already had taken that crown :-)
Not at all, for that was (allegedly) taken by someone else, I meant to refer the uploading of a dick selfie. When we hit the dick singularity, such categorisation will be important. I just hope this is not the 'completely wrong way' parties will select their leader that the thread title refers to.
With the local elections, it looks like there are 3 uncontested wards this year. Labour are unopposed in Halton, Broadheath and Preston, St George's, and the Tories in Epping Forest, Passingford. The total number of wards being contested is 2,178.
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She'll hopefully run in 2020. Bernie won't run again and Hillary might not even if she wins this time.
@lindasgrant 9m9 minutes ago Thought has grown all day that Ken Livingstone is showing early signs of dementia. Not just memory loss but a verbal incontinence.
There was something very "odd" about his TV performance. Not just drunk, but off-kilter.
Little aside, but my father's dementia (corticobasal degeneration.. a bit like Alzheimers) wasn't spotted for two years.
My Dad was a bit dopey anyway but at 56 he'd started driving to work much earlier than usual (blaming his eyesight; didn't like traffic...) and getting pissed much quicker (he was never a big drinker, but he liked a few after a rugby match of Saturday).
He's 61 now, in a home, struggles to walk and has no clue who any of us are, but I'd still back him to be less politically suicidal than Ken.
Well, Khan is odds on 1/15 on average and Zac is 8/1 on average. A 2 horse race, Zac's party in power, Khan's party in meltdown.You betters are keeping mighty quiet but if I were you I would put something on Zac.
I do have something big to share but I cannot until Tuesday night at earliest. It might be less important by then. Anyway, just have a look at Zac's odds, spend a quid or two.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
On the other hand, so many people may have done it that it's regarded as normal, a bit like having tattoos and piercings has become more widespread recently.
I'll bet dinosaur MPs without Facebook or Twitter are feeling pretty cocky right now as their more modern and eager to engage online colleagues begin to panic that their own online mistakes will be dug up at some point.
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
It will become more and more of a problem, as people who posted their young lives on the Internet enter the world of politics (and business) and realise there's no reliable delete button.
I should be safe to try then, perhaps, as I'm not on Facebook or Twitter - now I just need to know how political wonks get elected without being party hacks. That may prove difficult.
But one day we will elect our first dick pic PM. What a day it shall be.
I thought it was alleged that Cameron already had taken that crown :-)
Not at all, for that was (allegedly) taken by someone else, I meant to refer the uploading of a dick selfie. When we hit the dick singularity, such categorisation will be important. I just hope this is not the 'completely wrong way' parties will select their leader that the thread title refers to.
WTF?
An attempt at humour by suggesting in the future all political candidates will be so defined by the silly things they once posted online, such as genital photography, that political parties will just select a leader on the basis of how good/bad their penis selfie was, and through intentionally absurd comparison suggesting we are close to that day already given Mr Meeks' suggestion the Tories will choose their next leader in completely the wrong way.
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She might have been the first Red Indian President.
Don’t be racist! Native American is the term. And unless my calculations are awry, she’s somewhat less NA than Boris is Circassian. Allegedly.
Interesting article. It:s a helpful way to look at the next Tory leader/PM question, I think.
I agree that laying Boris is the clearest course right now.
If there were no referendum then I would seriously fancy Hammond's chances: unflashy senior minister, not noticeably on manoeuvres, not noticeably anything in fact.
But, there is a referendum. Isn't the most likely outcome that Gove is in the last two and wins? Of your unCameron traits the most salient will be Eurosceptic which, these days, means Leaver. At least one Leaver will be in the last two and if it's not Boris it is very likely to be Gove.
And my impression is that the membership will choose Leavitude over electability, so Gove would beat May or Hammond.
Of course, this all assumes an early contest.
I'm not sure the members would go for Gove over Hammond. I'm not sure, for that matter, that MPs would. Gove is a very interesting politician but I don't think his style is suited to leadership. I've been trying to think of a parallel and strangely, in a mirror-like way, the best I can come up with is Michael Foot: intellectual, more complex than first impressions imply, polite but stubborn, and wholly unsuited to the horsetrading and vote-winning that leadership needs.
Hammond's great advantage is that he is dull. Alastair rightly quotes the fat-pope-thin-pope principle (if by another name). After what might be seen as an excess of PR, dull competence could well be a virtue. It would also contrast favourably with Corbyn. Why roll the dice when the opposition is playing 2-3-5?
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She might have been the first Red Indian President.
Don’t be racist! Native American is the term. And unless my calculations are awry, she’s somewhat less NA than Boris is Circassian. Allegedly.
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She'll hopefully run in 2020. Bernie won't run again and Hillary might not even if she wins this time.
Could be a refreshing change.
Very. I still think Trump will win this year, and that he will actually do a pretty good job in office despite the divisive rhetoric.
US politics needs to get the money out of it, it's completely pervasive and corrupting. The public have had enough, hence the Donald and the Bern. The process by which the parties nominate a candidate is also in major need of reform.
I'm not so sure. Having to choose between Lord North and the Marquess of Rockingham wasn't so good.
If I knew then what I know now, I think I would have struggled between Wilson and Heath in the early 1970s.
I think we all would have done. How Heath never faced any questions over where he found the means to look after Morning Cloud (he didn't) amongst many other things I don't know! Still, politics was a lot more deferential affair 45 years ago compared to now.
"...Theresa May. Jeremy Hunt or Philip Hammond would also meet the required negative attributes better than Boris Johnson if they decide to throw their hats in the ring."
No comment on Boris, it is mainly people outside the party that support REMAIN who keep saying how badly he is doing. Oh really, what would they know?
Theresa, Jeremy and Philip are for REMAIN, Theresa has a slightly better chance if REMAIN win, the other 2 have no chance. As to a realistic assessment, why not look at it first from the perspective of someone who will have a vote! Start with only those for LEAVE, 2/3 of members will be voting that way.
Andrea Leadsom, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Penny Mordaunt, Owen Paterson - All presentable and come across much better than most of the REMAIN folk in cabinet.
Long shot, Graham Brady - but only if he starts to play a front line role in the LEAVE campaign. So far has not. He is the only one who the back benchers have voted for!
Perhaps lefties should just refrain from using the word Zionist.
I wonder what David Irving makes of today's events. Its been one heck of a crazy day. I'll for once watch the start of Question TIme and the inevitable first question............
I like the comment that I’ve just seen from Bernie Sanders "We have a situation now where Wall Street banks are not only too big to fail, they are too big to jail. That is unacceptable and that has got to change because America is based on a system of law and justice.”
Doesn’t the same apply here? When did we last see a big tax evader being taken from a dock to prison?
I think he stole that from Elizabeth Warren. It's still a real shame she didn't run.
She'll hopefully run in 2020. Bernie won't run again and Hillary might not even if she wins this time.
Could be a refreshing change.
Very. I still think Trump will win this year, and that he will actually do a pretty good job in office despite the divisive rhetoric.
US politics needs to get the money out of it, it's completely pervasive and corrupting. The public have had enough, hence the Donald and the Bern. The process by which the parties nominate a candidate is also in major need of reform.
How do they get the money out of it though - isn't it permitted due to various Supreme Court decisions, not easy to alter?
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On the Israel/Jew question.
Many on the Left and some on the right don't think Israel has a right to exist, and that is the nub of the question. Many in the British Foreign Office believe it to this day.
Don't forget it was a British Labour government that after the Second World War, incarcerated and sent Jews back to concentration camps in Europe or to camps in Cyprus, when caught as illegal immigrants attempting to enter Mandated Palestine, which was their only hope of starting a new life.
Someone said on PB that many people can't stand it that the Jews have a state, at all. And the fact that these same Jews can actually defend themselves causes them to froth at the mouth.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84
Ok. I'm a Blairite, an Establishment hack, a sellout and a stooge of the Israeli government apparently. I'm logging off
No-one has clean hands.
https://twitter.com/edballs/status/725706293017743362
Here's Tom Harris adding fuel to the fire:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/ken-livingstone-naz-shah-and-the-jews-what-is-happening-to-my-be/
"I joined the Labour Party 32 years ago. I’ve campaigned in almost every election, local and national, since then. I worked for the Labour Party as a staff member, I represented it in Parliament, I was a minister in a Labour government.
I am Labour.
And today I am sitting in utter horror and abjection as a senior member of my party’s ruling National Executive Committee talks about Adolf Hitler.
Oh God."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-27/greek-default-looms-july-after-eu-rejects-greek-emergency-summit
On a quieter news day, this would have made far more headlines. And no prizes for guessing why they're holding the line until July.
https://www.change.org/p/jeremy-corbyn-mp-disciplinary-procedure-for-john-mann-mp
For example "The Conservative party will shortly be required to select a new leader." - er, no.
So it'll be Stephen Crabb. He's not batshit crazy. He's sane looking and sounding. He's not posh. He did a good enough to get promoted not bad enough to be noticed job prior to becoming the new IDS, and if he manages to de-evil the DWP he'll be hailed as the new face if compassionate conservatism.
So what's the consensus? Was Hitler a Zionist or not?
Crisis what crisis...also flash of Corbyns famous temper...he will never managed a month long GE campaign without a blow up.
It's #CameronMustGo
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-idUSKCN0XP2NA
I could never be an MP because I've suggested contempt for the public too many times online.
http://tinyurl.com/dknbsk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/hillsborough-ex-south-yorkshire-officers-told-they-did-a-good-jo/
But one day we will elect our first dick pic PM. What a day it shall be.
That's whom I'm betting on, for now, amongst a number of longer shots.
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/725784602359521281
The Taffia's Revenge.
But people who now insist that Hitler was a Zionist would presumably also argue that Hitler intended to honour both agreements and signed them in good faith.
Remember that the day you're in the news, the press will find your "friends" and start asking them what they have on you - while waving red banknotes in their faces.
I agree that laying Boris is the clearest course right now.
If there were no referendum then I would seriously fancy Hammond's chances: unflashy senior minister, not noticeably on manoeuvres, not noticeably anything in fact.
But, there is a referendum. Isn't the most likely outcome that Gove is in the last two and wins? Of your unCameron traits the most salient will be Eurosceptic which, these days, means Leaver. At least one Leaver will be in the last two and if it's not Boris it is very likely to be Gove.
And my impression is that the membership will choose Leavitude over electability, so Gove would beat May or Hammond.
Of course, this all assumes an early contest.
With the local elections, it looks like there are 3 uncontested wards this year. Labour are unopposed in Halton, Broadheath and Preston, St George's, and the Tories in Epping Forest, Passingford. The total number of wards being contested is 2,178.
My Dad was a bit dopey anyway but at 56 he'd started driving to work much earlier than usual (blaming his eyesight; didn't like traffic...) and getting pissed much quicker (he was never a big drinker, but he liked a few after a rugby match of Saturday).
He's 61 now, in a home, struggles to walk and has no clue who any of us are, but I'd still back him to be less politically suicidal than Ken.
I do have something big to share but I cannot until Tuesday night at earliest. It might be less important by then. Anyway, just have a look at Zac's odds, spend a quid or two.
#explainthejoke
Don’t be racist! Native American is the term. And unless my calculations are awry, she’s somewhat less NA than Boris is Circassian. Allegedly.
Hammond's great advantage is that he is dull. Alastair rightly quotes the fat-pope-thin-pope principle (if by another name). After what might be seen as an excess of PR, dull competence could well be a virtue. It would also contrast favourably with Corbyn. Why roll the dice when the opposition is playing 2-3-5?
US politics needs to get the money out of it, it's completely pervasive and corrupting. The public have had enough, hence the Donald and the Bern. The process by which the parties nominate a candidate is also in major need of reform.
@chrisdeerin: Owen learns the truth about the Left he calls home https://t.co/aOA8MQu2LP
@OwenJones84: @chrisdeerin do one. Thanks in advance
@chrisdeerin: @OwenJones84 they're your people, chief. You've spoken to hall after hall of them. You helped put them in charge of Labour. Great work
No comment on Boris, it is mainly people outside the party that support REMAIN who keep saying how badly he is doing. Oh really, what would they know?
Theresa, Jeremy and Philip are for REMAIN, Theresa has a slightly better chance if REMAIN win, the other 2 have no chance. As to a realistic assessment, why not look at it first from the perspective of someone who will have a vote! Start with only those for LEAVE, 2/3 of members will be voting that way.
Andrea Leadsom, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Penny Mordaunt, Owen Paterson - All presentable and come across much better than most of the REMAIN folk in cabinet.
Long shot, Graham Brady - but only if he starts to play a front line role in the LEAVE campaign. So far has not. He is the only one who the back benchers have voted for!
#globalwarmingmyarse