Cameron's ramping up the bitterness, deepening the divide. The Conservative tiff has become more serious and there's a risk of a proper civil war. It's also a great opportunity for a rapid return for the Lib Dems and winning seats for UKIP, because Labour's led by Corbyn.
The LibDem brand is horribly damaged. They should get a few right-wing defectors from Labour and rebrand. The SDP might have worked if the Tories and Labour had both split at the same time.
So much for the special relationship... Quite sickening to see the likes of Osborne cheer on Obama snubbing the UK.
Make sure you remember what Cameron and Osborne have done. At every single available opportunity vote against them.
This pair think they are the UK. Time to get rid.
I am really really looking forward to the post-referendum split that will occur.
Personally I'm warming to Jeremy Corbyn a lot. I'm increasingly finding him simple, straightforward and a mostly honest politician... Sure, he may hate the UK and everything it stands for but at least he's honest about it unlike the repulsive pair that's currently in charge.
For the first time in about 18 years I'm going to vote Labour in the local elections in two weeks. Will feel weird but also, oddly, liberating.
You can tell the panic in Leave as they continue to attack Obama. Every time they do they help keep the main message in the media focus. Ignore it all and join battle on another day.
They are really unwise to keep parroting this "back of the queue" shit. No doubt they focus-grouped the phrase before asking Obama to use it, but I reckon it is too strong. We shall see.
Newsnight focus grouped it and it was, to use a Obama phrase, a slam dunk. Boris came across as not very convinced in his denial and looking, frankly, rather unhappy and shifty. Leave must be utterly gutted tonight.
Well my optimum result is probably a REMAIN win by 50.1 over 49.9. If I'm honest. It means I personally benefit from the boost to London property prices and some stability for the next five-ten years (let's face it I'm doing very well out of the status quo).
But such a narrow win (or indeed anything narrower 60/40 in my opinion) will mean the issue will not go away, Cameron and Osborne will be f*cked, and the Tory party will swing right under a new and sceptic leader. And the EU will know that if they screw us over, we will vote again, this time OUT. And such a narrow result means we will revisit the issue within ten years, and this time quit properly.
But I also get to endlessly call the REMAINIANS traitors, which they are, and do it with righteous and agreeable pride, as I will now be certainly voting OUT, like a proper Brit (and I am prepared to pay the price if my cause actually wins).
The issue will never go away so long as Europe heads towards a federal super state. It is only a matter of deciding when we get off the train.
Cameron's ramping up the bitterness, deepening the divide. The Conservative tiff has become more serious and there's a risk of a proper civil war. It's also a great opportunity for a rapid return for the Lib Dems and winning seats for UKIP, because Labour's led by Corbyn.
The LibDem brand is horribly damaged. They should get a few right-wing defectors from Labour and rebrand. The SDP might have worked if the Tories and Labour had both split at the same time.
There's got to be a chance of that if Labour do badly in the May elections and Dave continues to antagonise half his PMs and most of his supporters?
Obama said "back of the queue". An interesting choice of words as "queue" is not commonly used in America, whereas "line" is. I wonder why he ended up using a word mainly used in the UK...
Hasn't it been shown he has used that word before?
They are really unwise to keep parroting this "back of the queue" shit. No doubt they focus-grouped the phrase before asking Obama to use it, but I reckon it is too strong. We shall see.
Newsnight focus grouped it and it was, to use a Obama phrase, a slam dunk. Boris came across as not very convinced in his denial and looking, frankly, rather unhappy and shifty. Leave must be utterly gutted tonight.
Mr rottenborough,are you in the remain camp ?
Yep. Although I will probably bet on Leave so that if that happens I'll have something to cheer me up.
They are really unwise to keep parroting this "back of the queue" shit. No doubt they focus-grouped the phrase before asking Obama to use it, but I reckon it is too strong. We shall see.
Newsnight focus grouped it and it was, to use a Obama phrase, a slam dunk. Boris came across as not very convinced in his denial and looking, frankly, rather unhappy and shifty. Leave must be utterly gutted tonight.
Mr rottenborough,are you in the remain camp ?
Yep. Although I will probably bet on Leave so that if that happens I'll have something to cheer me up.
Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1 Don't be angry at Obama.
Be angry at Cameron for standing beside him & smiling as Obama threatened the British people.
...and so it goes on from Leave. Day after day. Attack the other side's use of process, people, materials, printing budgets etc etc. But don't do anything ridiculous like put forward a worked out scenario for a UK outside the EU with a reasonably costed economic forecast. No wonder Boris is starting to look pale.
They are really unwise to keep parroting this "back of the queue" shit. No doubt they focus-grouped the phrase before asking Obama to use it, but I reckon it is too strong. We shall see.
Newsnight focus grouped it and it was, to use a Obama phrase, a slam dunk. Boris came across as not very convinced in his denial and looking, frankly, rather unhappy and shifty. Leave must be utterly gutted tonight.
Mr rottenborough,are you in the remain camp ?
Yep. Although I will probably bet on Leave so that if that happens I'll have something to cheer me up.
How can a rottenborough vote for a rotten EU ;-)
cameron - he's the bloke who put his name into Shorpe and made it Scunthorpe
They are really unwise to keep parroting this "back of the queue" shit. No doubt they focus-grouped the phrase before asking Obama to use it, but I reckon it is too strong. We shall see.
Newsnight focus grouped it and it was, to use a Obama phrase, a slam dunk. Boris came across as not very convinced in his denial and looking, frankly, rather unhappy and shifty. Leave must be utterly gutted tonight.
Mr rottenborough,are you in the remain camp ?
Yep. Although I will probably bet on Leave so that if that happens I'll have something to cheer me up.
How can a rottenborough vote for a rotten EU ;-)
We all love our wine and baguettes in Dunny-on-the-Wold you know.
It was bad enough when he got the French to threaten us but at least that was in France...
This time he's actually laid out the red carpet (and the tax payers expense) to the POTUS to come here and threaten us in our own country!
It's hard to believe it really....
Let us hope the 50 letters have been typed and ready for the post-referendum leadership challenge. Cameron has talked this country down so much it has made his position untenable.
Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1 Don't be angry at Obama.
Be angry at Cameron for standing beside him & smiling as Obama threatened the British people.
...and so it goes on from Leave. Day after day. Attack the other side's use of process, people, materials, printing budgets etc etc. But don't do anything ridiculous like put forward a worked out scenario for a UK outside the EU with a reasonably costed economic forecast. No wonder Boris is starting to look pale.
I'll give you that - has the leave campaign started ;-)
This is what people should really be worried about - Michael Fallon's comments. The referendum is leading to the masks slipping all around - you may have thought you voted for a 'eurosceptic' government last May but you have actually got a Eurofederalist one.
Look at this remark in particular
Nato was a 'slower moving organisation that requires more elongated political decisions', the partnership 'inside Europe' was able to deploy at 'very short notice'.
The referendum that is and ALWAYS was going to be messy for the blues is in 2016.... the GE is 2020.
Of course it cant actually be happening anyway as many kippers on here said assuredly dave wouldn't honour his cast iron promise for one so you had to vote kipper
Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1 Don't be angry at Obama.
Be angry at Cameron for standing beside him & smiling as Obama threatened the British people.
...and so it goes on from Leave. Day after day. Attack the other side's use of process, people, materials, printing budgets etc etc. But don't do anything ridiculous like put forward a worked out scenario for a UK outside the EU with a reasonably costed economic forecast. No wonder Boris is starting to look pale.
I'll give you that - has the leave campaign started ;-)
I'll always maintain that half to people on the LEAVE side (especially Farage) are invested in making sure we stay in the EU....
The perfect outcome for Farage is that we remain on a 55%/45% vote share... It keeps the whole issue alive, it allows UKIP to continue (and probably to thrive as everybody quits the Tories due to Cameron and Osborne treachery) and Farage himself can remain on the gravy train.
This is what people should really be worried about - Michael Fallon's comments. The referendum is leading to the masks slipping all around - you may have thought you voted for a 'eurosceptic' government last May but you have actually got a Eurofederalist one.
Look at this remark in particular
Nato was a 'slower moving organisation that requires more elongated political decisions', the partnership 'inside Europe' was able to deploy at 'very short notice'.
He's been successful today, Remain's gone to nearly 70% implied chance of winning. It was close to 60% yesterday.
The only person who has fallen into the cesspit, is the part-Turkish Boris Johnson
All short term Eagles.
he has offended core righties big time
I attack Osborne but Cameron only ever on the issues.
But today I hope he gets herpes
He has once again wrecked the authority of his office, the Conservaties have lost the plot, they no longer stand up for UK plc
I hope they lose and their party splits.
Cameron is a ruthless bastard, just ask Ed Miliband.
Give Miliband some credit, at least the Labour Party survived his tenure.
Cameron's pissed off half his MPs, and half the members. If membership numbers fall below 100K, and big donors such as the MIC stop donating, they're doomed.
"The suicide rate in the US has surged to its highest level in almost three decades, according to a new report. The increase is particularly pronounced among middle-age white people who now account for a third of all US suicides."
"The suicide rate in the US has surged to its highest level in almost three decades, according to a new report. The increase is particularly pronounced among middle-age white people who now account for a third of all US suicides."
This is what people should really be worried about - Michael Fallon's comments. The referendum is leading to the masks slipping all around - you may have thought you voted for a 'eurosceptic' government last May but you have actually got a Eurofederalist one.
Look at this remark in particular
Nato was a 'slower moving organisation that requires more elongated political decisions', the partnership 'inside Europe' was able to deploy at 'very short notice'.
Of course, once we vote to STAY, all the federalist stuff will come rushing back. The single army, the euro, etc.. It'll all be back on the menu and the Tories will lap it up as much as anybody.
The other thing that is being forgotten is who Remain need to turn out: Labour voters. I'm pretty sure Obama holds more sway with Labour voters than others.
The reaction of the Brexiteers today has been joyous. Like the Nats, they thought they had the referendum won, without actually working out the answers to any of the hard questions, and expecting their opponents just to lie down.
@alexmassie: Statements of the bleedin' obvious are only "threats" if you dislike what they say. Obama today; Osborne during indyref etc etc.
Loathsome traitors, is what you are. Cheering the public humiliation of our proud country. A nauseating spectacle, which will not be forgotten.
Get over yourself, it's nothing of the sort, smelling salts is good for a fit of the vapours I hear.
The reaction of the Brexiteers today has been joyous. Like the Nats, they thought they had the referendum won, without actually working out the answers to any of the hard questions, and expecting their opponents just to lie down.
@alexmassie: Statements of the bleedin' obvious are only "threats" if you dislike what they say. Obama today; Osborne during indyref etc etc.
Loathsome traitors, is what you are. Cheering the public humiliation of our proud country. A nauseating spectacle, which will not be forgotten.
Oh this gets funnier and funnier. The anger. The pompousness. The futility.
On the contrary, I'm enjoying my metamorphosis into a UK Cybernat. It's oddly thrilling. The sense of complete grievance, fired by patriotism. The determination to seek revenge.
I now entirely understand the Nat mindset. It's a game, but it's also great great fun. And the lust for vengeance is STRONG and sincere. We will get our payback.
The normally Tory supporting papers are up in arms about Obama's comments. Those of an unsound disposition would do best to avoid the ARSSE army website, and PPRUNE, the airforce equivalent. Cameron and his chum don't have many friends there tonight.
"The suicide rate in the US has surged to its highest level in almost three decades, according to a new report. The increase is particularly pronounced among middle-age white people who now account for a third of all US suicides."
Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes. Nothing would ever get done. Obama made no threat, he pointed out a reality: a trade deal - ie, a deal that changes the current status quo - would not be a US priority. If Leavers hadn't, absurdly, claimed otherwise there'd have been no need for him to point out such an obvious truth.
He's been successful today, Remain's gone to nearly 70% implied chance of winning. It was close to 60% yesterday.
The only person who has fallen into the cesspit, is the part-Turkish Boris Johnson
All short term Eagles.
he has offended core righties big time
I attack Osborne but Cameron only ever on the issues.
But today I hope he gets herpes
He has once again wrecked the authority of his office, the Conservaties have lost the plot, they no longer stand up for UK plc
I hope they lose and their party splits.
If he had backed Leave and used the same tactics, people criticising him today, would be praising him.
You're acting like the Lib Dems when Dave campaigned against them on AV.
Cameron is a ruthless bastard, just ask Ed Miliband.
On that note, I wish you good night.
If he had backed leave,would you have done the same ?
Not if he were offering the prospectus Vote Leave are.
That is seriously bad for business, the economy, and the people of the UK
But if he got obama and some other world leaders on side plus I must do what I am told bank of England govenor telling us we be alright leaving,then you would be on side ?
Just to make a point that no-one has yet made. Bollocks will we be at the back of any queue when it comes to the US getting it's corporate claws in. Surely no-one here is stupid enough to believe they aren't eyeing up that ring-fenced NHS budget and they will stop doing so if we leave the EU. If only that were the case. There will be 'through the night' discussions where a rumpled Cameron in yesterday's suit has 'managed' to get a deal for Britain #specialrelationship
Secondly, I think I'm becoming slightly firmer in my view that this intervention is a net negative for Remain. 'Back of the queue' is a toxic soundbite, and I don't think it's for Leave. I will accept that this could be strongly coloured by my own view.
However, if it is, I don't think it will show in the polls, unless in a rise in don't knows. But remember, all you have to do to stick two fingers up to the establishment in this referendum is stay at home.
He's been successful today, Remain's gone to nearly 70% implied chance of winning. It was close to 60% yesterday.
The only person who has fallen into the cesspit, is the part-Turkish Boris Johnson
All short term Eagles.
he has offended core righties big time
I attack Osborne but Cameron only ever on the issues.
But today I hope he gets herpes
He has once again wrecked the authority of his office, the Conservaties have lost the plot, they no longer stand up for UK plc
I hope they lose and their party splits.
If he had backed Leave and used the same tactics, people criticising him today, would be praising him.
You're acting like the Lib Dems when Dave campaigned against them on AV.
Cameron is a ruthless bastard, just ask Ed Miliband.
On that note, I wish you good night.
Your first line is key for me, in terms of how mad to be. I doubt all would praise him for the same tactics, but there are many who would, of that I have no doubt. Leave had better arguments we need to ensure they get as much if not more coverage than complaining the other side are using every advtanrage they have unfairly.
This is what people should really be worried about - Michael Fallon's comments. The referendum is leading to the masks slipping all around - you may have thought you voted for a 'eurosceptic' government last May but you have actually got a Eurofederalist one.
Look at this remark in particular
Nato was a 'slower moving organisation that requires more elongated political decisions', the partnership 'inside Europe' was able to deploy at 'very short notice'.
Of course, once we vote to STAY, all the federalist stuff will come rushing back. The single army, the euro, etc.. It'll all be back on the menu and the Tories will lap it up as much as anybody.
We've already had 'sharing' aircraft carriers with the French ffs. Sorry WHAT?
If proposals like that aren't bleedingly obvious preparations for a European army, what are?
Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes. Nothing would ever get done. Obama made no threat, he pointed out a reality: a trade deal - ie, a deal that changes the current status quo - would not be a US priority. If Leavers hadn't, absurdly, claimed otherwise there'd have been no need for him to point out such an obvious truth.
I agree with you there. Idiot atlantacist Tories and their unrequited love affair with Uncle Sam - joining NAFTA etc. Margaret Thatcher herself was prey to this delusion too.
The reality is, the ruling powers in the US have never been friends to Britain.
Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes. Nothing would ever get done. Obama made no threat, he pointed out a reality: a trade deal - ie, a deal that changes the current status quo - would not be a US priority. If Leavers hadn't, absurdly, claimed otherwise there'd have been no need for him to point out such an obvious truth.
Exactly, the minute Gove set out Leave's proposals it was inevitable that Remain were going to wheel out the leaders of other countries to say it isn't going to happen in the way Gove thinks it will.
This is what people should really be worried about - Michael Fallon's comments. The referendum is leading to the masks slipping all around - you may have thought you voted for a 'eurosceptic' government last May but you have actually got a Eurofederalist one.
Look at this remark in particular
Nato was a 'slower moving organisation that requires more elongated political decisions', the partnership 'inside Europe' was able to deploy at 'very short notice'.
Of course, once we vote to STAY, all the federalist stuff will come rushing back. The single army, the euro, etc.. It'll all be back on the menu and the Tories will lap it up as much as anybody.
We've already had 'sharing' aircraft carriers with the French ffs. Sorry WHAT?
If proposals like that aren't bleedingly obvious preparations for a European army, what are?
That's as much to do with the reluctance of European nations to spend money on defence. Hence the pooling of what kit they do have to build up any kind of viable fighting force. Assuming any of it works.
The normally Tory supporting papers are up in arms about Obama's comments. Those of an unsound disposition would do best to avoid the ARSSE army website, and PPRUNE, the airforce equivalent. Cameron and his chum don't have many friends there tonight.
Missing the point - Mail, Express, Telegraph are far more fanatical about Brexit than they are about supporting the Tories, they would denounce the Queen if she said she was in favour of staying in the EU. They are obsessed.
Jesus, you wouldn't want people who thought Obama was threatening the UK anywhere near serious negotiations. They'd be wailing and whinging and flouncing out every five minutes. Nothing would ever get done. Obama made no threat, he pointed out a reality: a trade deal - ie, a deal that changes the current status quo - would not be a US priority. If Leavers hadn't, absurdly, claimed otherwise there'd have been no need for him to point out such an obvious truth.
I agree with you there. Idiot atlantacist Tories and their unrequited love affair with Uncle Sam - joining NAFTA etc. Margaret Thatcher herself was prey to this delusion too.
The reality is, the ruling powers in the US have never been friends to Britain.
The US will do what's best for the US. Liam Fox talked about £57bn of trade each way. That's a big deal for the UK; it's a much smaller number for the Americans and plenty of it may be related to EU membership anyway.
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
Well quite and the Remain campaign say the Leavers are deranged!
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
How much does said investment depend on having a free trade agreement?
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
Well quite and the Remain campaign say the Leavers are deranged!
Talking of deranged,our defence secretary anyone ?
Simon Richards @simplysimontfa Of all the many despicable falsities peddled by the Remain side, Michael Fallon's claim that ISIS supports Brexit is the worst. Shame on him
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
Nothing Obama said implies that will change. All he made clear was that a better deal than what exists now would not be on the table. If the Leave side had not claimed otherwise, there'd have been no need for him to say anything.
It's also worth noting $500bn or whatever represents a far smaller share if US trade than UK trade; and we don't know how much of the US investment is predicated on the UK's EU membership.
As we saw yesterday with Ashcroft's focus group, LEAVErs (the uncharitable might say hysterical ravings) proclamations about the Cameron/Kinnock/Ashdown photo proved to be a trifle overblown - so I suspect will their pronouncements on the Obama intervention.
If LEAVE had any sense, they would have dug into their history books and asked 'what happened last time a US President intervened in a UK referendum' (hint, it was less than two years ago, and at the time many of those now loudly complaining roundly defended Obama) and what lessons can we learn?
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
Well quite and the Remain campaign say the Leavers are deranged!
Talking of deranged,our defence secretary anyone ?
Simon Richards @simplysimontfa Of all the many despicable falsities peddled by the Remain side, Michael Fallon's claim that ISIS supports Brexit is the worst. Shame on him
Michael Fallon, wrote two books the 'Rise of the Euroquango' and 'The Quango Explosion: Public Bodies and Ministerial Patronage' in the 80's.
He also declared that he “will die a Eurosceptic”. And yet backs staying in Europe. Very confused man.
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Did he complain when Obama intervened in SINDYRef?
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Did he complain when Obama intervened in SINDYRef?
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Did he complain when Obama intervened in SINDYRef?
Don't know,I know he's very keen on a English parliament and he did tweet this in jest ;-)
Andrew Percy @andrewpercy I would vote Yes to Scottish independence if the deal includes removing the bagpiper on Westminster Bridge. I like the pipes, but not daily!
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
How much does said investment depend on having a free trade agreement?
The UK has bilateral trade relations with the US, that have nothing to do with EU membership, or an agreement.
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Did he complain when Obama intervened in SINDYRef?
I did.
I was for scottish independence and complaned of the bias against the SNP at the time.
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Did he complain when Obama intervened in SINDYRef?
Don't know,I know he's very keen on a English parliament and he did tweet this in jest ;-)
Andrew Percy @andrewpercy I would vote Yes to Scottish independence if the deal includes removing the bagpiper on Westminster Bridge. I like the pipes, but not daily!
He's also keen on Cameron:
He was wrong but the PM still has my support and I've no truck with those who want him replacing.
Britain is the largest foreign investor in the US, accounting for a fifth of the FDI, and employing over a million US citizens. $500 billion or thereabouts. About the same is invested by US businesses in the UK.
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
How much does said investment depend on having a free trade agreement?
Does one exist already?
Apparently not, so it's a big deal over nothing at all?
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Did he complain when Obama intervened in SINDYRef?
Don't know,I know he's very keen on a English parliament and he did tweet this in jest ;-)
Andrew Percy @andrewpercy I would vote Yes to Scottish independence if the deal includes removing the bagpiper on Westminster Bridge. I like the pipes, but not daily!
He's also keen on Cameron:
He was wrong but the PM still has my support and I've no truck with those who want him replacing.
And if cameron was for leave,so would you - is that how it works ?
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For the first time in about 18 years I'm going to vote Labour in the local elections in two weeks. Will feel weird but also, oddly, liberating.
Joe Marler in trouble again after appearing to kick opponent in the head
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Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
Don't be angry at Obama.
Be angry at Cameron for standing beside him & smiling as Obama threatened the British people.
Cameron really is the heir to Blair.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2016/04/22/20005-20160422ARTFIG00340-l-etat-vole-au-secours-d-edf.php
once again Osborne has created a fuckup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Ur5E61sKY
This time he's actually laid out the red carpet (at the tax payers expense) to the POTUS to come here and threaten us in our own country!
It's hard to believe it really....
The only person who has fallen into the cesspit, is the part-Turkish Boris Johnson
Edit: It wasn't a server SNAFU. It was a Robert SNAFU
he has offended core righties big time
I attack Osborne but Cameron only ever on the issues.
But today I hope he gets herpes
He has once again wrecked the authority of his office, the Conservaties have lost the plot, they no longer stand up for UK plc
I hope they lose and their party splits.
Look at this remark in particular
Nato was a 'slower moving organisation that requires more elongated political decisions', the partnership 'inside Europe' was able to deploy at 'very short notice'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3552388/Britain-never-war-without-European-allies-Defence-Secretary-claims-denies-backing-EU-army.html
You're acting like the Lib Dems when Dave campaigned against them on AV.
Cameron is a ruthless bastard, just ask Ed Miliband.
On that note, I wish you good night.
Of course it cant actually be happening anyway as many kippers on here said assuredly dave wouldn't honour his cast iron promise for one so you had to vote kipper
The perfect outcome for Farage is that we remain on a 55%/45% vote share... It keeps the whole issue alive, it allows UKIP to continue (and probably to thrive as everybody quits the Tories due to Cameron and Osborne treachery) and Farage himself can remain on the gravy train.
Win/Win.
My greatest achievement was publishing a thread that only I could see, and wondering where everybody was.
Cameron's pissed off half his MPs, and half the members. If membership numbers fall below 100K, and big donors such as the MIC stop donating, they're doomed.
I regret ever voting for him.
He's a piece of shit and I hope the Conservatives disintegrate on his watch
I don't take viagra because I need to, I only take it to stop me rolling out of bed.
"The suicide rate in the US has surged to its highest level in almost three decades, according to a new report.
The increase is particularly pronounced among middle-age white people who now account for a third of all US suicides."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36116166
That is seriously bad for business, the economy, and the people of the UK
Obama made no threat, he pointed out a reality: a trade deal - ie, a deal that changes the current status quo - would not be a US priority. If Leavers hadn't, absurdly, claimed otherwise there'd have been no need for him to point out such an obvious truth.
Secondly, I think I'm becoming slightly firmer in my view that this intervention is a net negative for Remain. 'Back of the queue' is a toxic soundbite, and I don't think it's for Leave. I will accept that this could be strongly coloured by my own view.
However, if it is, I don't think it will show in the polls, unless in a rise in don't knows. But remember, all you have to do to stick two fingers up to the establishment in this referendum is stay at home.
Good night.
If proposals like that aren't bleedingly obvious preparations for a European army, what are?
i could have been attracted back to voting Conservative but not now with this current bunch, they don't care much for the electorate of this nation.
The Conservatives are
The reality is, the ruling powers in the US have never been friends to Britain.
Missing the point - Mail, Express, Telegraph are far more fanatical about Brexit than they are about supporting the Tories, they would denounce the Queen if she said she was in favour of staying in the EU. They are obsessed.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/will-barack-obamas-back-of-the-queue-threat-backfire/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Out MP @andrewpercy: No US President would allow a British PM to do the same. Our Government has done Britain down today and diminished us”
Obama and Cameron are out of their minds.
Simon Richards @simplysimontfa
Of all the many despicable falsities peddled by the Remain side, Michael Fallon's claim that ISIS supports Brexit is the worst. Shame on him
It's also worth noting $500bn or whatever represents a far smaller share if US trade than UK trade; and we don't know how much of the US investment is predicated on the UK's EU membership.
You only have to listen to the patronising, gaslighting ‘in’ campaign to know why"
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/the-eu-is-a-feminist-issue-im-voting-to-leave/
If LEAVE had any sense, they would have dug into their history books and asked 'what happened last time a US President intervened in a UK referendum' (hint, it was less than two years ago, and at the time many of those now loudly complaining roundly defended Obama) and what lessons can we learn?
Read & weep, LEAVErs, read & weep:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/08/alex-salmond-obama-cameron-scottish-independence
He also declared that he “will die a Eurosceptic”. And yet backs staying in Europe. Very confused man.
Andrew Percy
@andrewpercy
I would vote Yes to Scottish independence if the deal includes removing the bagpiper on Westminster Bridge. I like the pipes, but not daily!
https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/uk-trade-relations-us
He was wrong but the PM still has my support and I've no truck with those who want him replacing.