In this thread are traitorous socialists who do not understand the difference between meeting someone and supporting their terrorist campaign against the British people.
**waves to AndrewD**
PBers all know the real traitors are the Tory MPs who defected to UKIP
They are superb social documents and give a real insight into the "liberal" thinking of that period. They probably are racist, but so what? Dickens is profoundly anti-Semitic, as was Hemingway (who was also a racist). They were of their time. And that fact does not diminish their greatness.
A bit like Corbyn and McDonnell....?
Actually I think McDonnell could manage it.
Hmmm. I am not sure that British voters will flock to support a party led by a man who openly and vociferously advocated support for an organisation whose aim was to force British citizens by bullet and bomb into a foreign country against their wishes.
Depends how you play it, doesn't it? "Different times, different places but I got it wrong and have apologised for that. But look at my opponents who are still endangering British people by their support for (insert unsavoury ISIS enabling regime of your choice here) and haven't apologised. That's the risk to the nation's security today."
Obviously he'd need to be happy to apologise. Might be a challenge.
Yep, that's true. A full and believable apology might change things. And that is McDonnell's problem.
I don't think anything can nullify the IRA-hugging in McDonnell's past. I get the impression that he has discovered that, now he is on the front bench, he is ambitious for office and that if he could he would go back in time and stop himself saying that stuff. But he can't and is permanently and fatally damaged by it.
Would that be Martin McGuinnes who had lunch [ luncheon ? ] with the Queen ? Was he invited to Buck House ?
Every time the IRA connection is brought up, the reply will be you mean McGuinnes who had lunch with the Queen and Adams who had lunch with Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Martin McGuinness will never lead the Labour party or seek to be the PM of the UK.
If they are all murdering thugs, the Queen, surely, should not have invited one of them, right ?
Not when they were murdering, which is a non-trivial difference......
Would that be Martin McGuinnes who had lunch [ luncheon ? ] with the Queen ? Was he invited to Buck House ?
Every time the IRA connection is brought up, the reply will be you mean McGuinnes who had lunch with the Queen and Adams who had lunch with Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Do you think going on about how the shadow chancellor or leader of the Labour Party is just like Martin McGuinness is your best strategy?
Maybe something about how times move on, and there can be peace and reconciliation... just look how certain Tories sequentially campaigned for Mandela's execution and beatification.
Alternatively just find people that don't have the IRA baggage.
The only two counties in AZ that Cruz ran Trump close were Navajo and Graham which are Mormon areas, 20% and 25% respectively. In SoCal and NM only Catron County in NM has a significant Mormon population at 20%, so the AZ result reads even better for Trump. The other good news for Trump is there is a mere scattering of Mormons in Montana and Washington, and negligible elsewhere.
Sanders did do very well, HRC stumbles on, ever reliant on the superdelegates.
I've posted targets for Sanders and Hillary on my profile (For HRC to win WITHOUT superdelegates)
Alaska 67 Hawaii 70 Washington 67 <- Most important
Sanders needs to beat in the next lot.</p>
Thanks, that's very useful. Good material for me and @nickpalmer to get to work on a more nuanced cricketing analogy.
The only two counties in AZ that Cruz ran Trump close were Navajo and Graham which are Mormon areas, 20% and 25% respectively. In SoCal and NM only Catron County in NM has a significant Mormon population at 20%, so the AZ result reads even better for Trump. The other good news for Trump is there is a mere scattering of Mormons in Montana and Washington, and negligible elsewhere.
Sanders did do very well, HRC stumbles on, ever reliant on the superdelegates.
I've posted targets for Sanders and Hillary on my profile (For HRC to win WITHOUT superdelegates)
Alaska 67 Hawaii 70 Washington 67 <- Most important
Sanders needs to beat in the next lot.</p>
Thanks, that's very useful. Good material for me and @nickpalmer to get to work on a more nuanced cricketing analogy.
Would that be Martin McGuinnes who had lunch [ luncheon ? ] with the Queen ? Was he invited to Buck House ?
Every time the IRA connection is brought up, the reply will be you mean McGuinnes who had lunch with the Queen and Adams who had lunch with Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Do you think going on about how the shadow chancellor or leader of the Labour Party is just like Martin McGuinness is your best strategy?
Maybe something about how times move on, and there can be peace and reconciliation... just look how certain Tories sequentially campaigned for Mandela's execution and beatification.
Alternatively just find people that don't have the IRA baggage.
Well, yeah, that would be ideal. I'm not sure the Labour party is currently drowning in up and coming talent though.
Although I'm not a Boris fan, I can only conclude that this Select Committee hearing is a complete "stitch up" by Andrew Tyrie. Some very aggressive questioning from the Labour members and then Boris being told off like a schoolboy for interrupting. But, once again, Boris gets himself into trouble because he hasn't done his homework and his inability to complete a sentence without lots of pauses, which allows others to jump in.
The only two counties in AZ that Cruz ran Trump close were Navajo and Graham which are Mormon areas, 20% and 25% respectively. In SoCal and NM only Catron County in NM has a significant Mormon population at 20%, so the AZ result reads even better for Trump. The other good news for Trump is there is a mere scattering of Mormons in Montana and Washington, and negligible elsewhere.
Sanders did do very well, HRC stumbles on, ever reliant on the superdelegates.
I've posted targets for Sanders and Hillary on my profile (For HRC to win WITHOUT superdelegates)
Alaska 67 Hawaii 70 Washington 67 <- Most important
Sanders needs to beat in the next lot.</p>
Thanks, that's very useful. Good material for me and @nickpalmer to get to work on a more nuanced cricketing analogy.
The only two counties in AZ that Cruz ran Trump close were Navajo and Graham which are Mormon areas, 20% and 25% respectively. In SoCal and NM only Catron County in NM has a significant Mormon population at 20%, so the AZ result reads even better for Trump. The other good news for Trump is there is a mere scattering of Mormons in Montana and Washington, and negligible elsewhere.
Sanders did do very well, HRC stumbles on, ever reliant on the superdelegates.
I've posted targets for Sanders and Hillary on my profile (For HRC to win WITHOUT superdelegates)
Alaska 67 Hawaii 70 Washington 67 <- Most important
Sanders needs to beat in the next lot.</p>
Thanks, that's very useful. Good material for me and @nickpalmer to get to work on a more nuanced cricketing analogy.
Farage really is a [moderated] trying to ruin UKIP and Leave
Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules.
Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:
... I think he does have a chance if something dreadful happened to Hillary's campaign between now and then, as he's certainly done respectably, but otherwise it will be close but no cigar. ...
Not the happiest choice of metaphor given the history!
Farage really is a [moderated] trying to ruin UKIP and Leave
Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules.
Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:
Farage really is a [moderated] trying to ruin UKIP and Leave
Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules.
Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:
Is it just possible that Farage wants leave to lose, even probable
Given how shite he is at becoming an MP, you can understand why Farage would prefer to retain an MEP's salary and attendant allowances and not give that up
Boris needs, above all, to impress Tory MPs if he's to get the PM gig. As things stand, I don't think he'll be on the final ballot - MPs have never been totally convinced that he's a sufficiently serious figure to be leader and PM, and he doesn't seem to be performing in a way which would allay those doubts.
Given that Osborne is not looking good either, get your money on Mrs May.
Farage really is a [moderated] trying to ruin UKIP and Leave
Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules.
Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:
FFS. Farage needs to be pushed off a cliff somewhere by the UKIP members, Neil Hamilton as well. Put Suzanne in charge afterwards, she is the only reasonable UKIP speaker.
Nearly all the Jewish Labour MPs listed are classified as either “hostile” or “core group hostile”. The list includes Ed Miliband, Hilary Benn, Joan Ryan, Louise Ellman, Ivan Lewis and Luciana Berger. Gerald Kaufman, who came under fire in October for his remarks that the Conservative Party has been influenced by “Jewish money”, was placed on the “neutral but not hostile” list
Boris needs, above all, to impress Tory MPs if he's to get the PM gig. As things stand, I don't think he'll be on the final ballot - MPs have never been totally convinced that he's a sufficiently serious figure to be leader and PM, and he doesn't seem to be performing in a way which would allay those doubts.
Given that Osborne is not looking good either, get your money on Mrs May.
Which is why I think Leave will try and convince Dave to stay on with chancellor Gove and foreign sec Boris in his team if Leave wins (or Remain for Gove tbh).
Boris needs, above all, to impress Tory MPs if he's to get the PM gig. As things stand, I don't think he'll be on the final ballot - MPs have never been totally convinced that he's a sufficiently serious figure to be leader and PM, and he doesn't seem to be performing in a way which would allay those doubts.
Given that Osborne is not looking good either, get your money on Mrs May.
Given historically the Tories pick the Chancellor or Foreign Secretary in power Philip Hammond is a good bet if Osborne is done for and Remain narrowly win EU ref
The left appear to be drifting to Leave. LD and Lab starting to show 30-40%.
I think with Osborne being targeted at the moment and also being very unpopular Leave have a good chance with leftist voters. TSE's header from a few weeks ago could prove to be quite prescient, a lot of us on the Leave side have been saying it for a while as well. Osborne is Remain's weak link, IDS has struck on it hard and I think the rest of the Leave side will begin to associate Remain with PM Osborne.
Boris needs, above all, to impress Tory MPs if he's to get the PM gig. As things stand, I don't think he'll be on the final ballot - MPs have never been totally convinced that he's a sufficiently serious figure to be leader and PM, and he doesn't seem to be performing in a way which would allay those doubts.
Given that Osborne is not looking good either, get your money on Mrs May.
Which is why I think Leave will try and convince Dave to stay on with chancellor Gove and foreign sec Boris in his team if Leave wins (or Remain for Gove tbh).
Yep, when Dave fights that snap election after a Leave vote, that'll be his shadow team providing he can reconcile his stubborn loyalty to Osborne with those appointments. Maybe Osborne to Chairman in order to give his role as "master" "strategist" full rein.
Farage really is a [moderated] trying to ruin UKIP and Leave
Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules.
Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:
Is it just possible that Farage wants leave to lose, even probable
Given how shite he is at becoming an MP, you can understand why Farage would prefer to retain an MEP's salary and attendant allowances and not give that up
What else can he do? His City trading business shut down.
Life as an MEP must be great. 6 figure salary and 'allowances', family on the payroll etc You'd have to be mad to achieve LEAVE and render your job extinct.
The left appear to be drifting to Leave. LD and Lab starting to show 30-40%.
Anecdotally that's what my experiences tell me: Tory eurosceptics going wobbly (sort yourselves out, gentlemen) but Left wingers being unimpressed by arguments to Remain purely based on what's convenient for the City and the banks.
Suspected Brussels bomber Najim Laachraoui is still on the run after his bomb - containing the biggest charge at the airport - failed to explode, Belgian prosecutor Frederick Van Leeuw says.
I think that you do need an ego the size of a planet, to spend years building up a political party from nowhere. The problem is that it prevents you from working with other people who are capable.
It annoys me beyond measure, the way that Farage (and some other politicians) do their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I think that you do need an ego the size of a planet, to spend years building up a political party from nowhere. The problem is that it prevents you from working with other people who are capable.
It annoys me beyond measure, the way that Farage (and some other politicians) do their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Someone recently compared Farage to Moses.
He led the Eurosceptic movement for decades, but it was someone else who has to lead them to the promised land.
Well that wasn't the way you'd have thought PMQs would go last Friday night. An absolute rout.
I'd have predicted a fairly comfortable victory for Dave based off of Monday
Fundamentally, Dave isn't too bad at PMQs, although nowhere near TB's standard. Corbyn is utterly hopeless at it and any other parliamentary appearance.
As I keep saying, time for a leadership challenge in the summer, despite what Nick P's focus group is telling him.
A good start by Jeremy Corbyn, but - "His final question would make a Jim Naughtie question sound succinct, and by throwing in a question about ESA alongside the one about PIP, he helped Cameron dodge it. But it was Cameron’s day. As Corbyn said, Cameron’s Labour list riff was pure theatre, but it was funny, and even Labour MPs were smiling. More importantly, thought, Cameron’s sarcastic line about Corbyn as the “king of fiscal rectitude” hit home hard - because it chimes with what so many people still think of Labour."
Suffolk Liz Pro EU leaflet dropped through the door this morning. Today's terrible events show this to be a rather hollow claim. https://t.co/MIM4wbvdST
I think that you do need an ego the size of a planet, to spend years building up a political party from nowhere. The problem is that it prevents you from working with other people who are capable.
It annoys me beyond measure, the way that Farage (and some other politicians) do their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Someone recently compared Farage to Moses.
He led the Eurosceptic movement for decades, but it was someone else who has to lead them to the promised land.
He just can't accept that.
Trouble is he believes his own propaganda and loves the adulation from his most fervent Kipper admirers, and can't face giving that up.
A good leader has self-awareness and knows when it is their time to step aside, to further their cause.
I think that you do need an ego the size of a planet, to spend years building up a political party from nowhere. The problem is that it prevents you from working with other people who are capable.
It annoys me beyond measure, the way that Farage (and some other politicians) do their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Is he snatching defeat though. It is not that great of a conspiracy theory to suggest that Farage is OK with losing the referendum.
As you said he has spent years building up a political party, the question is whether his ultimate ambition is to build up that party (and his career) or to leave the EU because the two are mutually exclusive. The party and his career effectively die with a Leave vote.
If we're in the EU then the European Parliament's Proportional Representation voting system gives Farage a job for life. If we're out of the EU then England's two party system has time and again prevented UKIP and Farage from making any breakthrough.
Leaving the EU doesn't just destroy UKIP's very reason for existence but leaving PR Europe and having just FPTP Westminster left is the total death of UKIP. This may not have been the case had Farage and UKIP made a real breakthrough in Westminster already but they haven't so Farage faces both redundancy and the death of his party if he "wins" the referendum" and a six-figure salary and the continuation of the party he helped build if he "loses".
No wonder Farage seems more interested in his party than actually winning a leave vote.
I would welcome the defection of Suzanne Evans onto the sensible Brexit wing of the Conservative Party.
She would make an excellent MP.
It rather begs the question what is the point of UKIP, unless it simply remains a Farage cult?
If sensible Kippers realise that the Conservative Party is their best chance of getting UK independence, then they will organise themselves accordingly until UKIP becomes a rump.
However, the Conservatives won't *necessarily* be socially conservative, so, in the medium-long term, I think there will always be a role for such a party in UK politics of some size.
I think that you do need an ego the size of a planet, to spend years building up a political party from nowhere. The problem is that it prevents you from working with other people who are capable.
It annoys me beyond measure, the way that Farage (and some other politicians) do their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
If Farage had any strategic brains he would have placed the Conservatives in a dark place by providing a welcome home to sceptic Conservatives. Instead Farage's actions will make any defectors think twice before leaping. But Farage falling out and pushing out senior people has been going on in UKIP for more than 10 years and yet UKIP grassroots think its always someone else's fault.
Farage is possibly Cameron's best friend in UKIP? Ironic.
The old bowl a total pie and get a wicket routine appears to have finally won it for England.
Cricinfo description made me chuckle: Stokes to Samiullah Shenwari, OUT, possibly one of the worst balls ever bowled, miles wide of off, short, slow - complete and utter filth - but Shinwari's attempt to smack it over cover merely skies it straight to Root at extra-cover.
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Passengers being asked to evacuate Kings Cross tube #London due to 'reported emergency'.
He needs to beat 0.3%
Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules.
Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:
http://order-order.com/2016/03/23/suzanne-evans-v-ukip-in-high-court-today/
Still?
https://storify.com/hopisen/defending-good-unions-doesn-t-mean-protecting-bad-
The left appear to be drifting to Leave. LD and Lab starting to show 30-40%.
Given that Osborne is not looking good either, get your money on Mrs May.
Nearly all the Jewish Labour MPs listed are classified as either “hostile” or “core group hostile”. The list includes Ed Miliband, Hilary Benn, Joan Ryan, Louise Ellman, Ivan Lewis and Luciana Berger. Gerald Kaufman, who came under fire in October for his remarks that the Conservative Party has been influenced by “Jewish money”, was placed on the “neutral but not hostile” list
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/155103/jewish-labour-mps-classified-hostile-corbyn-office-list
If that's happened, it's awful news for Remain.
Life as an MEP must be great. 6 figure salary and 'allowances', family on the payroll etc You'd have to be mad to achieve LEAVE and render your job extinct.
Just what on earth is his problem?
UKIP is a cult (sic) of Leadership
The South and Scotland back Remain, Wales, the North and Midlands back Leave
Oh wow, it could have been a lot lot worse...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZnKob6XBqg
in this case PMQs.
It annoys me beyond measure, the way that Farage (and some other politicians) do their damnedest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
She would make an excellent MP.
He led the Eurosceptic movement for decades, but it was someone else who has to lead them to the promised land.
He just can't accept that.
As I keep saying, time for a leadership challenge in the summer, despite what Nick P's focus group is telling him.
A good start by Jeremy Corbyn, but - "His final question would make a Jim Naughtie question sound succinct, and by throwing in a question about ESA alongside the one about PIP, he helped Cameron dodge it. But it was Cameron’s day. As Corbyn said, Cameron’s Labour list riff was pure theatre, but it was funny, and even Labour MPs were smiling. More importantly, thought, Cameron’s sarcastic line about Corbyn as the “king of fiscal rectitude” hit home hard - because it chimes with what so many people still think of Labour."
Could be leadership elections for both the big two this year!
Pro EU leaflet dropped through the door this morning. Today's terrible events show this to be a rather hollow claim. https://t.co/MIM4wbvdST
A good leader has self-awareness and knows when it is their time to step aside, to further their cause.
By the way, didn't Stalin like these kinds of lists? I think he managed to keep them all in his head though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3505243/It-s-blessing-God-s-alive-American-Mormon-injured-brush-terrorism-Brussels-surviving-Boston-bombing-Paris-attacks.html
As you said he has spent years building up a political party, the question is whether his ultimate ambition is to build up that party (and his career) or to leave the EU because the two are mutually exclusive. The party and his career effectively die with a Leave vote.
If we're in the EU then the European Parliament's Proportional Representation voting system gives Farage a job for life.
If we're out of the EU then England's two party system has time and again prevented UKIP and Farage from making any breakthrough.
Leaving the EU doesn't just destroy UKIP's very reason for existence but leaving PR Europe and having just FPTP Westminster left is the total death of UKIP. This may not have been the case had Farage and UKIP made a real breakthrough in Westminster already but they haven't so Farage faces both redundancy and the death of his party if he "wins" the referendum" and a six-figure salary and the continuation of the party he helped build if he "loses".
No wonder Farage seems more interested in his party than actually winning a leave vote.
Edit: and then Douglas Carswell!!!
However, the Conservatives won't *necessarily* be socially conservative, so, in the medium-long term, I think there will always be a role for such a party in UK politics of some size.
At 11.35 on the Telegraph live politics update page there is a photo of all 140 Tory MPs who want to Leave the EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/12201926/Boris-Johnson-faces-first-major-Prime-Minister-test--as-he-is-challenged-over-claims-London-will-be-better-off-outside-EU-live.html
Now I would swear that the 6th in from the right is Douglas Carswell. Has he rejoined the Tories over the last few days?
Farage is possibly Cameron's best friend in UKIP? Ironic.
Stokes to Samiullah Shenwari, OUT, possibly one of the worst balls ever bowled, miles wide of off, short, slow - complete and utter filth - but Shinwari's attempt to smack it over cover merely skies it straight to Root at extra-cover.