Problem with Osborne is that he don't learn from his mistakes. In first Omnishambles he cut the upper rate for the wealthy while inflicting big cuts on the rest of us. This budget he has given big tax rises for the upper middle class while hammering the disabled. The British people are prudent lot, and are willing to suffer while deficit is closed, but not when Chancellor is handing away the money saved in big tax cuts to Tory supporters.
He doesn't see them as mistakes, its what he believes. When you are surrounded by like minded sycophants you don't make mistakes.
Yesterday he had breakfast with the general public and looked like a fish up a tree.
"Do you have any evidence for the assertion I've italicised? Cough - 80s - cough."
(Congratulations)
Looking at the recent history of the Tory Party
1990-Tories boot out Thatcher because she was going to lose so replaced her with Major a moderate.
Replaced him with '100 days to save the £' crackpot Hague-humiliation Replaced him with bonkers IDS-humiliation Replaced him with 'Kick out the Gypos' Howard-humiliation Replace him with moderate Cameron-A Hamlet moment
Since Thatcher the electorate never want to see another right wing nutter again!
Except that Hague, IDS and Howard all lost to Blair - a moderate and not a Corbyn/Foot style hard left nutter.
Where is the evidence that "hard left" nutters beat "hard right" nutters? Not that Gove and Boris are nutters.
Usual absurdity from Roger, nothing to see here
The idea that Gove is hard-right is ridiculous, he sees eye-to-eye with Cameron and especially Osborne on just about everything politically except the EU, and Osborne is practically a liberal democrat like his boss.
The EU and Whose Army - how on earth do Merkel and the Sprouts imagine they're going to actually implement the One Out in their One In, One Out plan for migrants held in Greece ... or is it just all Typical EU B*llsh*t? An easier implementation, though, is visa-free travel for 75 million Turks plus whoever can forge a Turkish identity.
Also, Turks have an incentive for secretly letting more through so they can then swap existing refugees later. And get paid for the pleasure.
It really is tragic to see Europe killing itself this way. History is just cycles. There's nothing new. Back in the 19th century there were debates about whether Britain should side with Turkey - Gladstone wanted tham 'bag and baggage' out of Europe I seem to recall.
Tory splits on this issue are a total myth. The Tories are not and have never been a split party, they are a broadly europskeptic party being run by a cadre of statist europhiles. They have frequently overthrown this leadership, but often to elect candidates with deep flaws, especially in presentation, and usually during 'low points' for the party (Thatcher being the diamond amongst the ashes). This invariably leads to an 'establishment' backed candidate recovering the leadership. If and when the Tories find someone with grit and determination, powerful backing within the parliamentary party, and good presentational skills, who is also in accordance with the prevailing party view, another Thatcher era beckons.
Who would you class in that camp? Boris? Patel? Goldsmith?
It's interesting how George Osborne's tin ear seems to have reasserted itself now that Lynton Crosby is no longer on the scene. Assuming Cameron stays on after the referendum, he really needs to move Osborne to the foreign office and bring in a fresh pair of eyes as chancellor
Problem with Osborne is that he don't learn from his mistakes. In first Omnishambles he cut the upper rate for the wealthy while inflicting big cuts on the rest of us. This budget he has given big tax rises for the upper middle class while hammering the disabled. The British people are prudent lot, and are willing to suffer while deficit is closed, but not when Chancellor is handing away the money saved in big tax cuts to Tory supporters.
He doesn't see them as mistakes, its what he believes. When you are surrounded by like minded sycophants you don't make mistakes.
Yesterday he had breakfast with the general public and looked like a fish up a tree.
Osborne is as awkward and gawky in public as Ed Milliband ever was.
The ridiculous 'manstanding' pose at Conference, used to illustrate a thread earlier this week, says it all. He's desperate to look like one of the big boys, but fails every time.
Who would you class in that camp? Boris? Patel? Goldsmith?
I would say the field is pretty thin at the moment, not quite as dire as it is for Labour, but lots of mediocre PR spinners with no hinterland. It's difficult to have all those attributes when you start your political career in your 20s and are considered past it by your late-40s. Pretty much all the serious names of years gone by on both the left and the right did something substantial as well and their political career.
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
The EU and Whose Army - how on earth do Merkel and the Sprouts imagine they're going to actually implement the One Out in their One In, One Out plan for migrants held in Greece ... or is it just all Typical EU B*llsh*t? An easier implementation, though, is visa-free travel for 75 million Turks plus whoever can forge a Turkish identity.
That band will never be fit to tie the laces of these Sprouts:
Prefab Sprout were a Durham band and were a regular (and reliably awful) support to many great bands. (Durham's Dunelm Student Union building was the only place in the North East that would still let the punk bands play, largely on account of it being a concrete bunker that their fans couldn't damage without high explosives....)
I was amused and intrigued to see the progress they made in the music business. Their "Andromeda Heights" album was after their poppier stuff and still gets regular airing - when Herself is out.
For those of us who have abandoned Labour because of Corbyn a tiny chink of light has appeared.
IF 'Leave' win and IF one of the leading 'Leavers' becomes leader and IF the current Tory leadership is sidelined then all those left and left of centre voters who have abandoned Corbyn's Labour would not only return en masse but with vigour.
...which would make Corbyn hot favourite to be PM in 2020
Well Boris has come out in favour of Brexit for his own career ambitions. I see no evidence that if he were PM he would lead a government significantly to the right of Camborne. Who else could it be and what would make them so less palatable to centrists? Gove maybe? I admit Liam Fox as PM would probably have even me manning the barricades.
The question is what would the Tories do post-Brexit? Suddenly the focus would turn to the sort of relationship we'd have with the EU. What do the Tory grassroots want? And would London Mayor Boris want to do anything that might harm the services industry?
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
Of course living anywhere is a choice, if you don't like where you're living then move.
It's not looking good for Osborne today, is it? The Tory nightmare now is that Labour comes to its senses and chooses a vaguely credible leader. If they can lead polls with Corbyn in charge, the opportunities should they have a leader who has even a vague hint of credibility are pretty significant. Luckily for the Tories, Labour is very unlikely to understand this - or to care that much.
Shows how low Labour have fallen that a midterm 1 point lead is considered shocking.
Oliver Cooper Big vote of confidence in British business, as Boeing announces its new European headquarters will be in the UK. https://t.co/kYkDsmJH3b
How do we know it's not just for tax purposes?
Why should we care if it is? Better to get those taxes in the UK than elsewhere.
PS that's the entire purpose of cutting corporation tax! To get companies headquartered here and paying taxes to us (and providing related jobs and related taxes to our citizens) rather than those nations with lower rates getting all the tax instead of us. It's the Laffer Curve in action once again and you're wondering if its a bad thing when we're the ones benefiting?
Election Data Amongst the new members of the @UKLabour : three times as many strongly approve of Jeremy Corbyn as approve of the Labour party. #Momentum
It's not looking good for Osborne today, is it? The Tory nightmare now is that Labour comes to its senses and chooses a vaguely credible leader. If they can lead polls with Corbyn in charge, the opportunities should they have a leader who has even a vague hint of credibility are pretty significant. Luckily for the Tories, Labour is very unlikely to understand this - or to care that much.
Shows how low Labour have fallen that a midterm 1 point lead is considered shocking.
But we are nowhere near midterm!
Of course we are. The time from after the honeymoon period is over to before the election campaign begins in earnest is midterm.
Good morning. More importantly this morning, the EU is prepared to lick Turkeys bum on the migrant deal, according to the BBC and the PM of that great dutchy, Luxembourg.
Migrant crisis: EU agrees joint position to put to Turkey
All those wanting to remain in this god cursed union will have to continue to obey the likes of Luxembourg and co, on any idiot action they dream up. And if anyone talks of veto I'll laugh even more till he tears run down my face.
Do you not think it would be quite a good idea to try to do a deal with Turkey re the migrants?
If we were outside of the EU, would we be involved in any way?
Given that Macedonia and Serbia don't seem to be, despite being on the migration path, in all probability not. But there'd still be a migrant camp in Calais and there'd still be a problem that the UK would need to engage with in some way.
Were Britain not in the EU, it would make life even harder in shifting EU policy from Merkel's open-door to the help-in-camp which Cameron originally advocated.
Problem with Osborne is that he don't learn from his mistakes. In first Omnishambles he cut the upper rate for the wealthy while inflicting big cuts on the rest of us. This budget he has given big tax rises for the upper middle class while hammering the disabled. The British people are prudent lot, and are willing to suffer while deficit is closed, but not when Chancellor is handing away the money saved in big tax cuts to Tory supporters.
He doesn't see them as mistakes, its what he believes. When you are surrounded by like minded sycophants you don't make mistakes.
Yesterday he had breakfast with the general public and looked like a fish up a tree.
Osborne is as awkward and gawky in public as Ed Milliband ever was.
The ridiculous 'manstanding' pose at Conference, used to illustrate a thread earlier this week, says it all. He's desperate to look like one of the big boys, but fails every time.
Osborne gets ever more like that slightly creepy kid at school who is tolerated by the Cool Ones only because he has mysterious amounts of money that he is happy to throw about....
It's not looking good for Osborne today, is it? The Tory nightmare now is that Labour comes to its senses and chooses a vaguely credible leader. If they can lead polls with Corbyn in charge, the opportunities should they have a leader who has even a vague hint of credibility are pretty significant. Luckily for the Tories, Labour is very unlikely to understand this - or to care that much.
Shows how low Labour have fallen that a midterm 1 point lead is considered shocking.
But we are nowhere near midterm!
Of course we are. The time from after the honeymoon period is over to before the election campaign begins in earnest is midterm.
It was a brief Honeymoon then, less than 10 months!
Election Data Amongst the new members of the @UKLabour : three times as many strongly approve of Jeremy Corbyn as approve of the Labour party. #Momentum
Good morning. More importantly this morning, the EU is prepared to lick Turkeys bum on the migrant deal, according to the BBC and the PM of that great dutchy, Luxembourg.
Migrant crisis: EU agrees joint position to put to Turkey
All those wanting to remain in this god cursed union will have to continue to obey the likes of Luxembourg and co, on any idiot action they dream up. And if anyone talks of veto I'll laugh even more till he tears run down my face.
Do you not think it would be quite a good idea to try to do a deal with Turkey re the migrants?
If we were outside of the EU, would we be involved in any way?
Given that Macedonia and Serbia don't seem to be, despite being on the migration path, in all probability not. But there'd still be a migrant camp in Calais and there'd still be a problem that the UK would need to engage with in some way.
Were Britain not in the EU, it would make life even harder in shifting EU policy from Merkel's open-door to the help-in-camp which Cameron originally advocated.
Given the EU didn't listen to Cameron and Merkel's policy was foisted upon everyone else (and only not upon us as we had an opt-out) then what difference will us being in or out make whatsoever?
The way the EU policy will shift is when it has to because Merkel loses all support, whether we're in or out makes no difference. We can speak from the sidelines while out just like we can speak from the sidelines while in currently. Zero difference.
chestnut - disabled people tend to be poor (if they can't/don't work) and so are likely to end up living in poor areas. Of course many of the non-disabled will have left such areas to benefit from better opportunities elsewhere.
I do think it's incredibly sad how poverty is now understood largely as a lifestyle failure(aka Jeremy Kyle) and issues like disability are ignored.
It's not looking good for Osborne today, is it? The Tory nightmare now is that Labour comes to its senses and chooses a vaguely credible leader. If they can lead polls with Corbyn in charge, the opportunities should they have a leader who has even a vague hint of credibility are pretty significant. Luckily for the Tories, Labour is very unlikely to understand this - or to care that much.
Shows how low Labour have fallen that a midterm 1 point lead is considered shocking.
But we are nowhere near midterm!
Of course we are. The time from after the honeymoon period is over to before the election campaign begins in earnest is midterm.
It was a brief Honeymoon then, less than 10 months!
I've seen briefer before. Controversies and battles tend to concentrate mind on divisions and end a honeymoon, like the EU Referendum has done. Especially given this is a second term government so any honeymoon would generally be brief as its the same old faces re-appearing.
It's not looking good for Osborne today, is it? The Tory nightmare now is that Labour comes to its senses and chooses a vaguely credible leader. If they can lead polls with Corbyn in charge, the opportunities should they have a leader who has even a vague hint of credibility are pretty significant. Luckily for the Tories, Labour is very unlikely to understand this - or to care that much.
Shows how low Labour have fallen that a midterm 1 point lead is considered shocking.
But we are nowhere near midterm!
Given we are about 18 months from the actual midpoint of this Government (dissolution to dissolution), and assuming midterm covers a span of time somewhat more than a nanosecond, how far ARE we from midterm? Nine months?
Good morning. More importantly this morning, the EU is prepared to lick Turkeys bum on the migrant deal, according to the BBC and the PM of that great dutchy, Luxembourg.
Migrant crisis: EU agrees joint position to put to Turkey
All those wanting to remain in this god cursed union will have to continue to obey the likes of Luxembourg and co, on any idiot action they dream up. And if anyone talks of veto I'll laugh even more till he tears run down my face.
Do you not think it would be quite a good idea to try to do a deal with Turkey re the migrants?
No. Turkey, if allowed any grace within the EU will use all it's power under Erdogan to try and islamise great parts of the EU.
Great. Let's just write off the one still largely secular muslim country on Europe's borders. I can't see what could possibly go wrong.
Your hatred of the EU and, it appears, of Turkey is blinding you to the realities of the situation. Syria has created - or exacerbated - a massive crisis for Turkey internally. Irrespective of Erdogan's policies domestically (and I am no supporter of his by any means), Turkey has a great incentive not to block migration into Europe. Unless the EU can incentivise Turkey to do what it can to limit that migration then what is already a serious social problem across large parts of Europe will get far worse.
And Turkey will not be allowed into the EU. That's simply scaremongering. Greece and Cyprus would veto any membership and in any case, Turkey is moving away from rather than towards compliance with the Acquis.
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
As someone who used to live in Glasgow, the ethos/culture is one of don't try, rely on the "state", get as much as you can, dont ever attempt to better yourself etc. All enforced by the right on, politically correct lefties.
YOU might have compassion for the spongers, leeches and scum in society.
"Do you have any evidence for the assertion I've italicised? Cough - 80s - cough."
(Congratulations)
Looking at the recent history of the Tory Party
1990-Tories boot out Thatcher because she was going to lose so replaced her with Major a moderate.
Replaced him with '100 days to save the £' crackpot Hague-humiliation Replaced him with bonkers IDS-humiliation Replaced him with 'Kick out the Gypos' Howard-humiliation Replace him with moderate Cameron-A Hamlet moment
Since Thatcher the electorate never want to see another right wing nutter again!
But Roger - Hague, IDS and Howard all lost to Blair. (Howard only lost by about 2%, note). That wasn't the hard-right vs hard-left battle you originally talked about. For that battle, see Thatcher v Foot or Thatcher v Kinnock.
Bear in mind that Blair is the *only* Labour leader to win an election in more than forty years - five others have tried and failed.
James Kirkup Osborne's disability cuts are the difference between the red and yellow lines here. NB: both go up. (OBR data) https://t.co/7FVxpTYvnD
Obviously its the per capita inflation adjusted number what matters for actual disabled people.
Indeed. Successive governments have deliberately pursued policies of inflation, usually a 2% target. My maths suggests we're looking at a 5% increase in disability benefits in the next 4 years whilst the cost of living increases by about 10%. And it's no good looking at the totals. What matters is on the individual level and we have a growing population let's not forget.
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
I agree. Not only do we get a stream of ridiculous home made stats but posts that would embarrass Goebells
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
To be fair I think that any adult of Osborne's age would feel a bit awkward conversing in the public eye with very small children. The only politician I've seen do it convincingly was Ed Balls.
I wonder if there is a fundamental problem in Britain and some other countries that ineffective deficit reduction coupled with sops to party supporters is gradually undermining the consensus (whether right or wrong) that did exist that debt is a serious issue and bringing it down is a priority. A widespread perception in Britain is that Osborne has been flailing away for 6 years, missing all the targets and bashing various more or less innocent civilians, and some more years of the same fails to appeal. People don't follow the details, but they notice that the world hasn't collapsed under the current deficit burden and that the assault on the deficit doesn't seem to be obviously successful. It's that which undermines support for individual elements - people will buy a harsh package with short-term effects, but they don't like it dragging on.
I'm not a believer in magic money trees myself, so I don't think this is altogether healthy for the public discourse. We might disagree on what needs to be done but the consent to do anything very much is ebbing away.
I think the perception is, to the extent that anyone apart from PB notices, that the main factors and aggregates (jobs, investment, inflation, interest rates) are doing boringly well.
Now, you and I may know that GO hasn't cut the deficit as much as he should have, nor reduced spending as much as we would like but that is the exquisite dilemma for Lab, as indeed it has been since 2010:
Either blame GO for not cutting spending fast enough, or blame him for cutting too much. For the former, you are therefore saying Lab wants harsher austerity, while for the latter we know that the voting public disagrees.
My perception (rose-tinted goggles on) is that the general feeling is that we are fine, productivity down a bit, growth forecasts down a bit but generally all is OK. OK enough at least to have a bit of fun at the margin with CGT, sugar tax, etc.
Lab's central problem is that they still don't have a credible alternative narrative and even John McD is now preaching fiscal credibility.
Tory splits on this issue are a total myth. The Tories are not and have never been a split party, they are a broadly europskeptic party being run by a cadre of statist europhiles. They have frequently overthrown this leadership, but often to elect candidates with deep flaws, especially in presentation, and usually during 'low points' for the party (Thatcher being the diamond amongst the ashes). This invariably leads to an 'establishment' backed candidate recovering the leadership. If and when the Tories find someone with grit and determination, powerful backing within the parliamentary party, and good presentational skills, who is also in accordance with the prevailing party view, another Thatcher era beckons.
Who would you class in that camp? Boris? Patel? Goldsmith?
Patel. Just for the historical echoes. Perhaps backed by David Davis as a latter day Airey Neave. She must at least get through the early stages as if she doesn't the party will look racist and sexist. That's exacly what happened with Thatcher. Then once it became a real possibility people thought how good it could be.
But there's nothing even vaguely scientific about that prediction!
This is the sort of socially inept freak we have governing us. We should sneer at people like Osborne treat him with contempt. Unbelievably there are people, this site is a perfect example, who still hold politicians in some esteem simply because they wear the right colour rosette.
Alternatively there are people who think politicians are doing a good job because they're doing what they believe in which is why they support that colour rosette in the first place.
I care more about what the Chancellor is doing for the economy and taxes than I do how awkward he is when being filmed wish schoolchildren. If you think the latter is more important then more fool you and bring back Blair.
Bring back Blair? What an extraordinary thing to say, another example of tribalism.
If I honestly believed that, as you opine, they're doing what they believe in I wouldn't be so critical, most of them simply follow the whip for the good of their career, it has nothing to do with principles.
Not tribalism, just pointing out the dichotomy between being unawkward but not necessarily competent versus potentially competent but awkward. To be perfectly frank if I was interviewed trying to hold a conversation with a group of young schoolchildren I'd probably feel pretty awkward too.
So why on earth was Osborne filmed eating cereal with children?
The bloke is a weirdo, the epitome of the out of touch elite. I heard him being skewered by Humphries on R4 yesterday, it was cringeworthy.
Probably was filmed because that's the cringeworthy thing the public and media have come to demand from our politicians. I don't think he invented the idea of a politician going to a school, do you?
I don't recall Denis Healey, Anthony Barber, Roy Jenkins or Reggie Maudling posing for the media in that way.
As someone who used to live in Glasgow, the ethos/culture is one of don't try, rely on the "state", get as much as you can, dont ever attempt to better yourself etc. All enforced by the right on, politically correct lefties.
YOU might have compassion for the spongers, leeches and scum in society.
I don't.
the people who make this "lifestyle choice" also die many years earlier, after they have finished being disabled. Any Christian values on offer?
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
entirely called for, in my opinion. You can get used to these kinds of views reading pb or the mail every day. doesnt mean its acceptable
Good morning. More importantly this morning, the EU is prepared to lick Turkeys bum on the migrant deal, according to the BBC and the PM of that great dutchy, Luxembourg.
Migrant crisis: EU agrees joint position to put to Turkey
All those wanting to remain in this god cursed union will have to continue to obey the likes of Luxembourg and co, on any idiot action they dream up. And if anyone talks of veto I'll laugh even more till he tears run down my face.
Do you not think it would be quite a good idea to try to do a deal with Turkey re the migrants?
No. Turkey, if allowed any grace within the EU will use all it's power under Erdogan to try and islamise great parts of the EU.
Great. Let's just write off the one still largely secular muslim country on Europe's borders. I can't see what could possibly go wrong.
Your hatred of the EU and, it appears, of Turkey is blinding you to the realities of the situation. Syria has created - or exacerbated - a massive crisis for Turkey internally. Irrespective of Erdogan's policies domestically (and I am no supporter of his by any means), Turkey has a great incentive not to block migration into Europe. Unless the EU can incentivise Turkey to do what it can to limit that migration then what is already a serious social problem across large parts of Europe will get far worse.
And Turkey will not be allowed into the EU. That's simply scaremongering. Greece and Cyprus would veto any membership and in any case, Turkey is moving away from rather than towards compliance with the Acquis.
The reality of the situation, David, is that Turkey under Erdogan and the AK Party are playing a very dangerous game of supporting all parties to the Syrian conflict at different times and is even supporting ISIS in whatever guise you wish to call them.
1. The repatriation of migrants to Turkey from Greece will not work, especially from a Greece that is slowly falling to pieces and cannot stop anyone from entering their space, legal or not.
2. To give 77 million Turks the right of borderless travel in the EU from June will let open the floodgates with many of these same Turks wanting to claim asylum themselves.
3. Any monies given to Turkey as part of any deal. will only make the AK party more arrogant and intransigent, whilst lining their own pockets. Thanks EU!
4. The EU is largely to blame for the migrant crisis themselves, through the auspices of Merkel and Germany.
Is my 25 years experience in social welfare and social research not enough?
not if you fail in empathy
It has nothing to do with your perceptions of empathy, and plenty to do with knowing how, and why, the number of people deemed as unfit for work rose so rapidly.
There was a significant switch in where the unemployed were positioned in the 1990s. Many were moved from the dole queue to the doctor's surgery.
That suited a great many people at the time for a variety of reasons. Some administrative, some political, some financial.
A lot of people in areas of high unemployment were actively encouraged to go to the doctors for often less serious issues to get them off the unemployment register . This was done under the Tories, and New Labour did little to reverse it.
The long term problem with that is that the welfare payouts are higher than normal unemployment.
The government will turn a blind eye to in times of plenty. Now is not that time.
So, we now have those with less serious issues being labelled as disabled as though they have significant impairments to their capability, when many are quite capable of work within limits and in suitable workplaces.
Good morning. More importantly this morning, the EU is prepared to lick Turkeys bum on the migrant deal, according to the BBC and the PM of that great dutchy, Luxembourg.
Migrant crisis: EU agrees joint position to put to Turkey
All those wanting to remain in this god cursed union will have to continue to obey the likes of Luxembourg and co, on any idiot action they dream up. And if anyone talks of veto I'll laugh even more till he tears run down my face.
Do you not think it would be quite a good idea to try to do a deal with Turkey re the migrants?
No. Turkey, if allowed any grace within the EU will use all it's power under Erdogan to try and islamise great parts of the EU.
Great. Let's just write off the one still largely secular muslim country on Europe's borders. I can't see what could possibly go wrong.
Your hatred of the EU and, it appears, of Turkey is blinding you to the realities of the situation. Syria has created - or exacerbated - a massive crisis for Turkey internally. Irrespective of Erdogan's policies domestically (and I am no supporter of his by any means), Turkey has a great incentive not to block migration into Europe. Unless the EU can incentivise Turkey to do what it can to limit that migration then what is already a serious social problem across large parts of Europe will get far worse.
And Turkey will not be allowed into the EU. That's simply scaremongering. Greece and Cyprus would veto any membership and in any case, Turkey is moving away from rather than towards compliance with the Acquis.
The reality of the situation, David, is that Turkey under Erdogan and the AK Party are playing a very dangerous game of supporting all parties to the Syrian conflict at different times and is even supporting ISIS in whatever guise you wish to call them.
1. The repatriation of migrants to Turkey from Greece will not work, especially from a Greece that is slowly falling to pieces and cannot stop anyone from entering their space, legal or not.
2. To give 77 million Turks the right of borderless travel in the EU from June will let open the floodgates with many of these same Turks wanting to claim asylum themselves.
3. Any monies given to Turkey as part of any deal. will only make the AK party more arrogant and intransigent, whilst lining their own pockets. Thanks EU!
4. The EU is largely to blame for the migrant crisis themselves, through the auspices of Merkel and Germany.
That's not the reality of the situation.
It's also a mile away from your initial febrile comment.
As someone who used to live in Glasgow, the ethos/culture is one of don't try, rely on the "state", get as much as you can, dont ever attempt to better yourself etc. All enforced by the right on, politically correct lefties.
YOU might have compassion for the spongers, leeches and scum in society.
I don't.
the people who make this "lifestyle choice" also die many years earlier, after they have finished being disabled. Any Christian values on offer?
What is the wisdom and Christian value of increasing an alcoholic's money because they are 'disabled'?
How about a drug addict? Someone with obesity related problems?
Is the money better spent on benefits or on counselling, training and workplace adjustments for someone who suffers with lowish level anxiety or a surmountable physical disability?
Many of these benefit top-ups have been issued as hush-and-vote money so that a bunch of politicians can congratulate themselves on their 'empathy' whilst doing bugger all to really improve someone's life.
Good morning. More importantly this morning, the EU is prepared to lick Turkeys bum on the migrant deal, according to the BBC and the PM of that great dutchy, Luxembourg.
Migrant crisis: EU agrees joint position to put to Turkey
All those wanting to remain in this god cursed union will have to continue to obey the likes of Luxembourg and co, on any idiot action they dream up. And if anyone talks of veto I'll laugh even more till he tears run down my face.
Do you not think it would be quite a good idea to try to do a deal with Turkey re the migrants?
No. Turkey, if allowed any grace within the EU will use all it's power under Erdogan to try and islamise great parts of the EU.
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1. The repatriation of migrants to Turkey from Greece will not work, especially from a Greece that is slowly falling to pieces and cannot stop anyone from entering their space, legal or not.
2. To give 77 million Turks the right of borderless travel in the EU from June will let open the floodgates with many of these same Turks wanting to claim asylum themselves.
3. Any monies given to Turkey as part of any deal. will only make the AK party more arrogant and intransigent, whilst lining their own pockets. Thanks EU!
4. The EU is largely to blame for the migrant crisis themselves, through the auspices of Merkel and Germany.
Merkel did not create the refugees. What you are saying is that if 3m refugees stayed in Turkey, that would be fine. Blissful ignorance.
We destabilised that part of the world big time starting 2003. We did not know how to handle the situation post-Saddam. The same goes for Libya. Once the winter is finally over boat loads will be coming over to Italy. More people will die.
The only way the situation could have been averted was not to side with a bunch of rag bag terrorists in the west of Syria who just pledged they were democratic and pro Western. Remember Chalabi in Iraq. I don't know why we fall for these muppets.
Assad is a dictator. No worse than Al-Sisi who is now our friend. Assad is actually a liberal person [ a minority in his own country - so he has to be nice to other minorities ] and definitely could have been on our side against ISIS. Ironically, just like Saddam was. [ In fact, if Saddam was there there would have been no ISIS ].But we wanted to be the nice guys without knowing what the hell we were doing.
Now we have a 3m population city bombed out. Where do you think they will go ? They are not going to live in tents for the rest of their lives. WE are now creating a breeding ground for the next batch of terrorists - different terrorists.
Why should Turkey just accept these refugees ? They have enough problems of their own.
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
Glasgow Male Life expectancy (so from Bearsden to Easterhouse) is 4 years less than Scotland's average, male life expectancy is the most deprived areas is about pension age.
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
FFS why not visit and have a look? learn some f-ing compassion you apology for a human being. for a start living in Glasgow east is generally not a "lifestyle choice". idiot
The PM used some of the worst kind of language to pre-empt Osborne's attack on the blind and sick.He re-used the phrase of IDS,that disability is a "lifestyle choice".There is nothing more untrue.Most of us "cripples" have worked all our lives and have in no way chosen our various disabilities.It is an insult disabled people understand as part of the propaganda process in order to increase the cull of disabled people comparable with the nazis softening up the public in the 1930s.This government wants us dead.
One in six adults in Glasgow East is 'disabled'.
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
Glasgow Male Life expectancy (so from Bearsden to Easterhouse) is 4 years less than Scotland's average, male life expectancy is the most deprived areas is about pension age.
EDIT (Actually, in Calton it's 54 years)
However if you take Bearsden on its own it is similar to the high end rates in similar affluent areas in the rest of the UK. The rates are dragged down by several very deprived areas like Calton and others.
As someone who used to live in Glasgow, the ethos/culture is one of don't try, rely on the "state", get as much as you can, dont ever attempt to better yourself etc. All enforced by the right on, politically correct lefties.
YOU might have compassion for the spongers, leeches and scum in society.
I don't.
the people who make this "lifestyle choice" also die many years earlier, after they have finished being disabled. Any Christian values on offer?
What is the wisdom and Christian value of increasing an alcoholic's money because they are 'disabled'?
How about a drug addict? Someone with obesity related problems?
Is the money better spent on benefits or on counselling, training and workplace adjustments for someone who suffers with lowish level anxiety or a surmountable physical disability?
Many of these benefit top-ups have been issued as hush-and-vote money so that a bunch of politicians can congratulate themselves on their 'empathy' whilst doing bugger all to really improve someone's life.
You happy with squandering money saving rich toffs who have fallen off mountains , jetskis , etc and paying all their medical bills. What a sad excuse for a human being , one can only hope you hit bad times and learn a bit of compassion and human kindness.
You happy with squandering money saving rich toffs who have fallen off mountains , jetskis , etc and paying all their medical bills. What a sad excuse for a human being , one can only hope you hit bad times and learn a bit of compassion and human kindness.
Spare me the sanctimony, please.
I have spent more than enough time dealing with London's less well off to know that benefits were very rarely the answer for people with addictions, mental illnesses etc.
Your idea of 'kindness' and 'compassion' is still leaving people dead at 54.
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Yesterday he had breakfast with the general public and looked like a fish up a tree.
The idea that Gove is hard-right is ridiculous, he sees eye-to-eye with Cameron and especially Osborne on just about everything politically except the EU, and Osborne is practically a liberal democrat like his boss.
And a hearty congratulations to Mr & Mrs Herdson on the announcement of a future punter.
The ridiculous 'manstanding' pose at Conference, used to illustrate a thread earlier this week, says it all. He's desperate to look like one of the big boys, but fails every time.
Osborne's disability cuts are the difference between the red and yellow lines here. NB: both go up.
(OBR data) https://t.co/7FVxpTYvnD
Euro area job vacancy rate up to 1.6% in Q4 2015 (1.5% in Q3) #Eurostat https://t.co/VZYvHgZHor https://t.co/VEKrgA7hdx
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/australia-pre-qualifying.html
Glasgow and Liverpool feature very heavily in way above average 'disability'.
Why?
There seems to be a significant link between way above average 'disability' and votes Labour.
You can see the same in North London enclaves like Tottenham, Edmonton, Stoke Newington and Islington North.
It's a pretty odd distribution of 'disability'.
I was amused and intrigued to see the progress they made in the music business. Their "Andromeda Heights" album was after their poppier stuff and still gets regular airing - when Herself is out.
Big vote of confidence in British business, as Boeing announces its new European headquarters will be in the UK. https://t.co/kYkDsmJH3b
The question is what would the Tories do post-Brexit? Suddenly the focus would turn to the sort of relationship we'd have with the EU. What do the Tory grassroots want? And would London Mayor Boris want to do anything that might harm the services industry?
PS that's the entire purpose of cutting corporation tax! To get companies headquartered here and paying taxes to us (and providing related jobs and related taxes to our citizens) rather than those nations with lower rates getting all the tax instead of us. It's the Laffer Curve in action once again and you're wondering if its a bad thing when we're the ones benefiting?
Amongst the new members of the @UKLabour : three times as many strongly approve of Jeremy Corbyn as approve of the Labour party. #Momentum
Were Britain not in the EU, it would make life even harder in shifting EU policy from Merkel's open-door to the help-in-camp which Cameron originally advocated.
The way the EU policy will shift is when it has to because Merkel loses all support, whether we're in or out makes no difference. We can speak from the sidelines while out just like we can speak from the sidelines while in currently. Zero difference.
I do think it's incredibly sad how poverty is now understood largely as a lifestyle failure(aka Jeremy Kyle) and issues like disability are ignored.
Your hatred of the EU and, it appears, of Turkey is blinding you to the realities of the situation. Syria has created - or exacerbated - a massive crisis for Turkey internally. Irrespective of Erdogan's policies domestically (and I am no supporter of his by any means), Turkey has a great incentive not to block migration into Europe. Unless the EU can incentivise Turkey to do what it can to limit that migration then what is already a serious social problem across large parts of Europe will get far worse.
And Turkey will not be allowed into the EU. That's simply scaremongering. Greece and Cyprus would veto any membership and in any case, Turkey is moving away from rather than towards compliance with the Acquis.
YOU might have compassion for the spongers, leeches and scum in society.
I don't.
Bear in mind that Blair is the *only* Labour leader to win an election in more than forty years - five others have tried and failed.
Now, you and I may know that GO hasn't cut the deficit as much as he should have, nor reduced spending as much as we would like but that is the exquisite dilemma for Lab, as indeed it has been since 2010:
Either blame GO for not cutting spending fast enough, or blame him for cutting too much. For the former, you are therefore saying Lab wants harsher austerity, while for the latter we know that the voting public disagrees.
My perception (rose-tinted goggles on) is that the general feeling is that we are fine, productivity down a bit, growth forecasts down a bit but generally all is OK. OK enough at least to have a bit of fun at the margin with CGT, sugar tax, etc.
Lab's central problem is that they still don't have a credible alternative narrative and even John McD is now preaching fiscal credibility.
But there's nothing even vaguely scientific about that prediction!
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1. The repatriation of migrants to Turkey from Greece will not work, especially from a Greece that is slowly falling to pieces and cannot stop anyone from entering their space, legal or not.
2. To give 77 million Turks the right of borderless travel in the EU from June will let open the floodgates with many of these same Turks wanting to claim asylum themselves.
3. Any monies given to Turkey as part of any deal. will only make the AK party more arrogant and intransigent, whilst lining their own pockets. Thanks EU!
4. The EU is largely to blame for the migrant crisis themselves, through the auspices of Merkel and Germany.
There was a significant switch in where the unemployed were positioned in the 1990s. Many were moved from the dole queue to the doctor's surgery.
That suited a great many people at the time for a variety of reasons. Some administrative, some political, some financial.
A lot of people in areas of high unemployment were actively encouraged to go to the doctors for often less serious issues to get them off the unemployment register . This was done under the Tories, and New Labour did little to reverse it.
The long term problem with that is that the welfare payouts are higher than normal unemployment.
The government will turn a blind eye to in times of plenty. Now is not that time.
So, we now have those with less serious issues being labelled as disabled as though they have significant impairments to their capability, when many are quite capable of work within limits and in suitable workplaces.
It's also a mile away from your initial febrile comment.
How about a drug addict? Someone with obesity related problems?
Is the money better spent on benefits or on counselling, training and workplace adjustments for someone who suffers with lowish level anxiety or a surmountable physical disability?
Many of these benefit top-ups have been issued as hush-and-vote money so that a bunch of politicians can congratulate themselves on their 'empathy' whilst doing bugger all to really improve someone's life.
We destabilised that part of the world big time starting 2003. We did not know how to handle the situation post-Saddam. The same goes for Libya. Once the winter is finally over boat loads will be coming over to Italy. More people will die.
The only way the situation could have been averted was not to side with a bunch of rag bag terrorists in the west of Syria who just pledged they were democratic and pro Western. Remember Chalabi in Iraq. I don't know why we fall for these muppets.
Assad is a dictator. No worse than Al-Sisi who is now our friend. Assad is actually a liberal person [ a minority in his own country - so he has to be nice to other minorities ] and definitely could have been on our side against ISIS. Ironically, just like Saddam was. [ In fact, if Saddam was there there would have been no ISIS ].But we wanted to be the nice guys without knowing what the hell we were doing.
Now we have a 3m population city bombed out. Where do you think they will go ? They are not going to live in tents for the rest of their lives. WE are now creating a breeding ground for the next batch of terrorists - different terrorists.
Why should Turkey just accept these refugees ? They have enough problems of their own.
EDIT (Actually, in Calton it's 54 years)
The rates are dragged down by several very deprived areas like Calton and others.
What a sad excuse for a human being , one can only hope you hit bad times and learn a bit of compassion and human kindness.
I have spent more than enough time dealing with London's less well off to know that benefits were very rarely the answer for people with addictions, mental illnesses etc.
Your idea of 'kindness' and 'compassion' is still leaving people dead at 54.