For the innocents like Miss CycleFree who have no idea about common euphemisms and innuendoes
grab a granny night
social event frequented by more mature women milfs, supposedly on the lookout for casual sex don't go to the club on a Thursday, it is grab a granny night
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
He's too easy to dislike! It's extraordinary that someone with so little talent is excused after shafting two election winning leaders in the most insidious and mean spirited way. Moreso when you factor in his own humiliating history as leader
The acrimonious manner in which all this has been conducted is troubling, and will I fear have consequences long beyond June 23. After all, such desperate and unsubstantiated claims are now being made that they begin to damage the very integrity of those who make them in the eyes of the public...
Perhaps that's why the terms of the debate seem to have been shifted by the Remain camp. They no longer seek to pretend the Prime Minister's deal amounts to fundamental reform.
Instead, the question being asked seems to be whether we could cope on our own at all. Why they would seek to present our country, and themselves, as so weak is beyond me.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
For once I agree with you. The party known for it's loyalty have suddenly had a spasm and the 'bastards' have taken over and it's a pretty ugly sight
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
Given that the Tory Leave side have maintained their attempts to keep things civil and all the vitriol and smears within the Tory party have come from Cameron and the Tory Remainders I am afraid that once again you are talking complete garbage. But then you never were given to much in the way of intelligent thought.
They condemned an "appalling" episode where asylum seekers were told to wear wristbands, and an instance where their doors were all painted one colour.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
What an unedifying spectacle.
" Lions led by donkeys ". I wish Donkey Dave would go away.
'Perhaps that's why the terms of the debate seem to have been shifted by the Remain camp. They no longer seek to pretend the Prime Minister's deal amounts to fundamental reform.'
IDS is right - the fig leaf has already been abandoned.
Even our own resident spinners have largely given up trying to claim anything substantive has been changed and are instead falling back on the formulation that the 'deal' 'codifies' or 'formalises' the status quo. Which is also not entirely true of course.
My view of Andrew Norfolk fell off a cliff when he made that claim. I was WTF?
It was common knowledge to anyone familiar with large estates that doors are kept the same colour, and no one would deliberately pick a different one like this. And his stats were tiny.
For the man who broke Rotherham, he made a complete Charlie of himself.
They condemned an "appalling" episode where asylum seekers were told to wear wristbands, and an instance where their doors were all painted one colour.
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
IDS was not one of the "bastards" as he was then a very junior backbencher: Major was referring to others in the Cabinet. But IDS was, I believe, amongs the most rebellious of Tory backbenchers from 1992-7. So he is a bastard after all.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
What an unedifying spectacle.
You are in fact being blinkered and stupid. But since you won't take kindly to that I had better not say so. Trolling along with the idiot comments of wd30 etc is hardly an exhibition of intelligence. 'scarcely readable' is the understatement of PB history.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
For once I agree with you. The party known for it's loyalty have suddenly had a spasm and the 'bastards' have taken over and it's a pretty ugly sight
Don't be misled by ConHome or the posters on here:
My view of Andrew Norfolk fell off a cliff when he made that claim. I was WTF?
It was common knowledge to anyone familiar with large estates that doors are kept the same colour, and no one would deliberately pick a different one like this. And his stats were tiny.
For the man who broke Rotherham, he made a complete Charlie of himself.
They condemned an "appalling" episode where asylum seekers were told to wear wristbands, and an instance where their doors were all painted one colour.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Its the fact it is still being repeated now, despite the truth that many of these doors have been painted the same colour for over 20 years and the houses are lived in by not just asylum seekers.
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
Given that the Tory Leave side have maintained their attempts to keep things civil and all the vitriol and smears within the Tory party have come from Cameron and the Tory Remainders I am afraid that once again you are talking complete garbage. But then you never were given to much in the way of intelligent thought.
I suppose what constitutes 'a smear' is in the eye of the beholder. Your post to Fox I suppose is just your honest opinion?
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
He's too easy to dislike! It's extraordinary that someone with so little talent is excused after shafting two election winning leaders in the most insidious and mean spirited way. Moreso when you factor in his own humiliating history as leader
IDS has been doing a good and necessary job as benefits minister. Tying his flag to Farage's mast is however pretty dumb.
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
IDS was not one of the "bastards" as he was then a very junior backbencher: Major was referring to others in the Cabinet. But IDS was, I believe, amongs the most rebellious of Tory backbenchers from 1992-7. So he is a bastard after all.
Do you think all 141 Tory MPs and all cabinet ministers backing Brexit are bastards?
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
What an unedifying spectacle.
Oh dear - get over yourself - what did you expect Cameron to do? You know that the Leave campaign play dirty and lack coherence. Politics is as politics does.
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
Smirker's waving the white flag too.
'Ooh, look at us, we're rubbish and can't negotiate'
Get someone in from outside government and the wretched Foreign Office who does know how to broker deals. Hundreds of thousands of businesses do it every day FFS.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
What an unedifying spectacle.
" Lions led by donkeys ". I wish Donkey Dave would go away.
Of course you do as do most of the LDs and Corbynites.
A real objective non-bias piece of factual research there.
Has the merit of being unambiguous:
The result of the referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union will be final. The Government would have a democratic duty to give effect to the electorate’s decision. The Prime Minister made clear to the House of Commons that “if the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger Article 50 of the Treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away”.
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
Smirker's waving the white flag too.
'Ooh, look at us, we're rubbish and can't negotiate'
Get someone in from outside government and the wretched Foreign Office who does know how to broker deals. Hundreds of thousands of businesses do it every day FFS.
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
Fantastic. We are too stupid and weak to negotiate trade deals.
This is the sort of terminally fatalist nonsense that the UK civil service pumped out from the 1950s to the early 1980s when they saw their role as "managing [the UK's] decline".
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
What's wrong Plato, don't you like being told the truth? America has said it does not want to negotiate trade deals with individual small countries but with entire blocks or groups. The real and nasty project fear is the crude insinuations about millions of horrid nasty Syrians about to pour over our borders if we stay in the EU. Why, Leavers have openly admitted it to each other on this very site.
This is the game we play after every Republican debate: the mainstream press corps finds some tortured explanation for why Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz won, and then days later Donald Trump rises in the polls. In a night where CNN ran a headline reading “Donald Trump defends size of his penis,” the man has probably won yet again.
The same was true of last night. The very reason why conventional wisdom regularly delivers the death knell to Trump's candidacy is the same reason he appeals to his supporters and continues to outflank his opponents. In that contest the risible comments by @Speedy were an object lesson. He completely misreads Trumpophilia.
Two points I'd highlight from the debate. Firstly according to CNN research Trump dominated the airtime in the debate by a margin of 2:1 over any other candidate and secondly the killer moment for me was when the other candidates were forced to endorse a Trump candidacy if he were the nominee. The grin on Trump's face said it all - his small hands had them all by the goolies regardless of the size of their todger.
Jack W. How do you rate Trump's current odds in terms of value?
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
Smirker's waving the white flag too.
'Ooh, look at us, we're rubbish and can't negotiate'
Get someone in from outside government and the wretched Foreign Office who does know how to broker deals. Hundreds of thousands of businesses do it every day FFS.
The reason the "re-negotiation" was such a let down is that Cameron and co weren't/aren't interested in reforming the EU at all.
They just want the UK to remain at all costs and knew they had to come up with some sort of "story" to sell to people so they had this faux-reform stuff like Dear Harold did in 75.
That will be Dave's legacy, to be remembered (assuming he is remembered at all) as Harold Wilson II. He has a chance to be a "Great" but will just go down as mediocre foot-note in history... Though personally I'll always remember him as the Prime Minister who went to France and got the French to threaten his own citizens.
At this point, even if the Republicans found a way to stop Trump couldn't he just run as an independent and be in with a decent chance?
Problem is, some states have filing deadlines in April and May, while the RNC is in June July, although these deadlines may be unconstitutional. So by the time Trump gets to hear his GOP fate, it may be too late to register as an Indy, at least in some critical states.
Expect lawsuits. ISTR John Anderson in 1980 successfully challenging similar state laws.
This is the sort of terminally fatalist nonsense that the UK civil service pumped out from the 1950s to the early 1980s when they saw their role as "managing [the UK's] decline".
Why are you using the past tense? That is still how they think.
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
What's wrong Plato, don't you like being told the truth? America has said it does not want to negotiate trade deals with individual small countries but with entire blocks or groups. The real and nasty project fear is the crude insinuations about millions of horrid nasty Syrians about to pour over our borders if we stay in the EU. Why, Leavers have openly admitted it to each other on this very site.
right
so a G7 nation which sits on the UN council and which is the worlds 5th largest economy is a small individual country ?
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
What's wrong Plato, don't you like being told the truth? America has said it does not want to negotiate trade deals with individual small countries but with entire blocks or groups. The real and nasty project fear is the crude insinuations about millions of horrid nasty Syrians about to pour over our borders if we stay in the EU. Why, Leavers have openly admitted it to each other on this very site.
right
so a G7 nation which sits on the UN council and which nis the worlds 5th largest economy is a small individual country ?
When Mr Osborne had his turn, a delegate asked if BMW had been right to issue its unsubtle threat to its British employees over Brexit. The Chancellor affected distance. He said BMW – as he understood it – had only denounced Brexit after being begged to express a view by its workers. Believe that if you will. I know senior bankers who have been leaned on by the Treasury to big up the EU. Has it been beseeching foreign car makers to do likewise?
A vote to leave the EU would mean our Brussels trade deals would ‘automatically fall’, said Mr Osborne with delight. ‘Having not negotiated trade deals for 40 years’ we would struggle to reconquer that art, he claimed.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
Smirker's waving the white flag too.
'Ooh, look at us, we're rubbish and can't negotiate'
Get someone in from outside government and the wretched Foreign Office who does know how to broker deals. Hundreds of thousands of businesses do it every day FFS.
The reason the "re-negotiation" was such a let down is that Cameron and co weren't/aren't interested in reforming the EU at all.
They just want the UK to remain at all costs and knew they had to come up with some sort of "story" to sell to people so they had this faux-reform stuff like Dear Harold did in 75.
That will be Dave's legacy, to be remembered (assuming he is remembered at all) as Harold Wilson II. He has a chance to be a "Great" but will just go down as mediocre foot-note in history... Though personally I'll always remember him as the Prime Minister who went to France and got the French to threaten his own citizens.
The negotiations were not about reforming the EU, they were about protecting our position re the EZ in the EU. We are not going to be in the Euro or eurozone so how they operate is not in our gift and we cannot influence the EU in any way from outside it. The best that would happen is we would obey its rules but have no votes. Leavers cannot abide the very principle of the EU so can never be reconciled.
But that's the point: he's a protester, not a power-wielder. He is not the epitome of a politician in the usual sense: he might be in Westminster but he is not of it.
He is a political activist.
That is not the same as a politician, not by a long shot.
Indeed. When he was Chair of Planning on Haringey Council, before he stood for Parliament, the actual work of the job bored him. He didn't trust his Vice-Chair, though, so he didn't delegate. I wonder who that V/C could have been?
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
What an unedifying spectacle.
" Lions led by donkeys ". I wish Donkey Dave would go away.
Of course you do as do most of the LDs and Corbynites.
All too true. Leavers are belittling themselves by their lurch to anti Cameronism. It does betray the inner bile that fills them. Labour must be in stitches.
This is the game we play after every Republican debate: the mainstream press corps finds some tortured explanation for why Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz won, and then days later Donald Trump rises in the polls. In a night where CNN ran a headline reading “Donald Trump defends size of his penis,” the man has probably won yet again.
The same was true of last night. The very reason why conventional wisdom regularly delivers the death knell to Trump's candidacy is the same reason he appeals to his supporters and continues to outflank his opponents. In that contest the risible comments by @Speedy were an object lesson. He completely misreads Trumpophilia.
Two points I'd highlight from the debate. Firstly according to CNN research Trump dominated the airtime in the debate by a margin of 2:1 over any other candidate and secondly the killer moment for me was when the other candidates were forced to endorse a Trump candidacy if he were the nominee. The grin on Trump's face said it all - his small hands had them all by the goolies regardless of the size of their todger.
Jack W. How do you rate Trump's current odds in terms of value?
GOP nominee 1.53-1.54 POTUS 4.9-5.0
The nominee odds look too skinny. It'll be Trump unless he marginally falls short and a brokered convention ensues. With many winner takes all primaries looming and Trump's poll numbers holding up a brokered convention looks vanishingly unlikely.
The POTUS odds remain value as a trading bet. There's bound to be a shortening movement during the campaign. The trick, as ever, will be when to cash in.
The Megyn Kelly section on Trump University was very damaging. She is extremely bright and a proper journalist who does her research. In fact my experience of Fox is that by far the cleverest of their presenters are the ones who look most like bimbos. He had insulted her before and she retaliated, big time.
Fox are going to have in interesting few years with a Trump Whitehouse. It will be like the BBC trying to get an interview with Alex Ferguson.
Don't worry about it, it won't happen there simply aren't enough "mad as hell" non-college educated white males out there to win in November. Hess a fool for riling a journalist like Megan Kelly but his past mysoginist statements have come back to haunt him as will much else between now and November. It also sounds to me that Romney knows what was in that New York Times interview and his tax returns and won't let it rest.
Isn't it remarkable that Cameron is so weak that he's forced to allow such a level of disloyalty from IDS a man with a history of disloyalty?
It shows how weak his position in his own party is and for he has Jeremy Corbyn to thank. With even a half decent opposition IDS would be out on his ear after calling his own leader 'dishonest'
No it isn't. Its the price of having won the election, allowing free debate on the EU... The Dave bashers on here are so one eyed, its scarcely readable..
and the sycophants have their lips to close to his @rse they can't see what is happening in the world.
They missed seeing a supine Cameron cowering before Hollande on behalf of a 'weak and weedy' Britain 'incapable of making it in the world alone', in Amiens yesterday.
What an unedifying spectacle.
" Lions led by donkeys ". I wish Donkey Dave would go away.
Dave's centrist mush increasingly resembles the under-performing, under-delivering Blair's. When he talks about the NHS he babbles on about 'inputs' in typical New Labour way.
This week's Markit PMIs when looked at in conjunction with Public Sector Finances and Migration figures point to a whole stack of trouble just around the bend and an economy and public sector no better placed than when Brown was at number 11.
This is the game we play after every Republican debate: the mainstream press corps finds some tortured explanation for why Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz won, and then days later Donald Trump rises in the polls. In a night where CNN ran a headline reading “Donald Trump defends size of his penis,” the man has probably won yet again.
The same was true of last night. The very reason why conventional wisdom regularly delivers the death knell to Trump's candidacy is the same reason he appeals to his supporters and continues to outflank his opponents. In that contest the risible comments by @Speedy were an object lesson. He completely misreads Trumpophilia.
Two points I'd highlight from the debate. Firstly according to CNN research Trump dominated the airtime in the debate by a margin of 2:1 over any other candidate and secondly the killer moment for me was when the other candidates were forced to endorse a Trump candidacy if he were the nominee. The grin on Trump's face said it all - his small hands had them all by the goolies regardless of the size of their todger.
Jack W. How do you rate Trump's current odds in terms of value?
GOP nominee 1.53-1.54 POTUS 4.9-5.0
The nominee odds look too skinny. It'll be Trump unless he marginally falls short and a brokered convention ensues. With many winner takes all primaries looming and Trump's poll numbers holding up a brokered convention looks vanishingly unlikely.
The POTUS odds remain value as a trading bet. There's bound to be a shortening movement during the campaign. The trick, as ever, will be when to cash in.
Jack how is your ARSE looking in terms of DTWNBPOTUS against DTICIPOTUS?
Back to the US - Can anyone suggest a universe in which Michael Bloomberg gets the republican nomination ?
A third party candidacy by Bloomberg or Trump has as much chance of success as Aston Villa has of winning the Champions League next season.
People said that of Leicester this time last year!
Though David Camerons Villa are truly pants, an astute move for him to switch to West Ham. He does rather like ham as I understand...
BLoomberg getting the republican nomination I make way longer than Leicester winning the Prem.
It's about the same as you or me getting it, namely he has no intention to enter it. Pres Bloomberg I'd certainly back at 5000-1, Rep Nom Bloomberg I wouldn't.
Towards the end of the 1975 European referendum campaign, someone produced a spoof political broadcast warning of the dire consequences if we voted to leave.
Britain would be invaded by poisonous snakes, many of them millions of miles long, who would creep into our homes in the dead of night and eat our children in their beds.
...I can only assume that someone at this year's Remain campaign has stumbled across this sketch in the archives, failed to realise it was a joke, and has taken it as a blueprint for scaring us to vote to stay in the EU.
London’s technology sector overwhelmingly opposes Britain exiting the EU, according to a survey of members of Tech London Advocates, an industry group representing almost 3,000 senior members of the capital’s tech scene.
Of the members polled, 87% opposed Brexit, due to fears that leaving the EU would make it harder for British companies to reach customers in EU countries; harder to find and employ the necessary talent from overseas; and harder to convince international companies to operate in the UK at scale.
London’s technology sector overwhelmingly opposes Britain exiting the EU, according to a survey of members of Tech London Advocates, an industry group representing almost 3,000 senior members of the capital’s tech scene.
Of the members polled, 87% opposed Brexit, due to fears that leaving the EU would make it harder for British companies to reach customers in EU countries; harder to find and employ the necessary talent from overseas; and harder to convince international companies to operate in the UK at scale.
Towards the end of the 1975 European referendum campaign, someone produced a spoof political broadcast warning of the dire consequences if we voted to leave.
Britain would be invaded by poisonous snakes, many of them millions of miles long, who would creep into our homes in the dead of night and eat our children in their beds.
...I can only assume that someone at this year's Remain campaign has stumbled across this sketch in the archives, failed to realise it was a joke, and has taken it as a blueprint for scaring us to vote to stay in the EU.
I see on the BBC we're inching toward Tory politeness going away, as ids suggests, apparently, the government could be damaged post ref by remains acrimony. Whether one thinks it's fair to pin the blame on remain or not, that the other side, even those who don't want to see lingering effects, are openly explaining how they will be reacting, does not bode well for the party.
Considering IDS was one of "the bastards" who made John Majors premiership a misery with their poison, he does rather have a brass neck in accusing Dave of being divisive. Or is he just completely thick?
Given that the Tory Leave side have maintained their attempts to keep things civil and all the vitriol and smears within the Tory party have come from Cameron and the Tory Remainders I am afraid that once again you are talking complete garbage. But then you never were given to much in the way of intelligent thought.
I suppose what constitutes 'a smear' is in the eye of the beholder. Your post to Fox I suppose is just your honest opinion?
I am not a Tory and neither is Fox so your comment is yet more bollocks.
This is the game we play after every Republican debate: the mainstream press corps finds some tortured explanation for why Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz won, and then days later Donald Trump rises in the polls. In a night where CNN ran a headline reading “Donald Trump defends size of his penis,” the man has probably won yet again.
The same was true of last night. The very reason why conventional wisdom regularly delivers the death knell to Trump's candidacy is the same reason he appeals to his supporters and continues to outflank his opponents. In that contest the risible comments by @Speedy were an object lesson. He completely misreads Trumpophilia.
Two points I'd highlight from the debate. Firstly according to CNN research Trump dominated the airtime in the debate by a margin of 2:1 over any other candidate and secondly the killer moment for me was when the other candidates were forced to endorse a Trump candidacy if he were the nominee. The grin on Trump's face said it all - his small hands had them all by the goolies regardless of the size of their todger.
Jack W. How do you rate Trump's current odds in terms of value?
GOP nominee 1.53-1.54 POTUS 4.9-5.0
The nominee odds look too skinny. It'll be Trump unless he marginally falls short and a brokered convention ensues. With many winner takes all primaries looming and Trump's poll numbers holding up a brokered convention looks vanishingly unlikely.
The POTUS odds remain value as a trading bet. There's bound to be a shortening movement during the campaign. The trick, as ever, will be when to cash in.
Thanks. That's how I see it too. Trump's implied odds for POTUS once he's nominee are 3.2 which seem too big to me. But of course the attacks on him by his "own side" won't help his ultimate bid to be POTUS.
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Seems I have slept through a hum-dinger. Doubt it will change much.
If only I had taken a job with BSE or Vote Leave, this referendum would have been so much fun.
What an unedifying spectacle.
Jesus wept.
My faith in Cameron has taken a massive knock. Being threatened by various EU bods apparently with his blessing.
I can't decide if I'm more insulted, angry or appalled.
This isn't what I expected at all. A tough fight, sure. A spineless, appeasing campaign of invited threats - never.
Feeling pretty hostile right now.
They condemned an "appalling" episode where asylum seekers were told to wear wristbands, and an instance where their doors were all painted one colour.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35719489
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Wise words.
If indeed Trump is a registered Republican the party should expel him.
IDS is right - the fig leaf has already been abandoned.
Even our own resident spinners have largely given up trying to claim anything substantive has been changed and are instead falling back on the formulation that the 'deal' 'codifies' or 'formalises' the status quo. Which is also not entirely true of course.
It was common knowledge to anyone familiar with large estates that doors are kept the same colour, and no one would deliberately pick a different one like this. And his stats were tiny.
For the man who broke Rotherham, he made a complete Charlie of himself.
On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
Tory members far less bothered about the EU than is apparent from reading some of the posters on here. Who knew?
Trolling along with the idiot comments of wd30 etc is hardly an exhibition of intelligence. 'scarcely readable' is the understatement of PB history.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9644
Honestly, the lack of ambition makes me cringe with embarrassment.
When a pathetic excuse is rolled out that it's the best we can achieve, my response is - well do the best of someone better. On this, I would have to support Osborne - we already have a woeful ability to negotiate for this country's best interests at the top of Government. But that might just be down to the bunch of hopeless europhiles the Prime Minister appointed for his renegotiation....
Not even Tory members are obsessed about the EU, so if you are, then you're a loon in a minority.
Smirker's waving the white flag too.
'Ooh, look at us, we're rubbish and can't negotiate'
Get someone in from outside government and the wretched Foreign Office who does know how to broker deals. Hundreds of thousands of businesses do it every day FFS.
The result of the referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union will
be final. The Government would have a democratic duty to give effect to the electorate’s decision. The Prime Minister made clear to the House of Commons that “if the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger Article 50 of the Treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away”.
I find the whole thing inexplicable. And depressing.
It smacks of Blair giving away our rebate for nothing. Smirker's waving the white flag too.
'Ooh, look at us, we're rubbish and can't negotiate'
Get someone in from outside government and the wretched Foreign Office who does know how to broker deals. Hundreds of thousands of businesses do it every day FFS.
Fantastic. We are too stupid and weak to negotiate trade deals.
This is the sort of terminally fatalist nonsense that the UK civil service pumped out from the 1950s to the early 1980s when they saw their role as "managing [the UK's] decline".
It only stopped with Thatcher.
What's wrong Plato, don't you like being told the truth?
America has said it does not want to negotiate trade deals with individual small countries but with entire blocks or groups.
The real and nasty project fear is the crude insinuations about millions of horrid nasty Syrians about to pour over our borders if we stay in the EU. Why, Leavers have openly admitted it to each other on this very site.
Nigel Farage says he doesn't care if 'irrelevant' Douglas Carswell leaves Ukip
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/03/04/nigel-farage-says-he-doesn-t-care-if-irrelevant-douglas-cars
GOP nominee 1.53-1.54
POTUS 4.9-5.0
The reason the "re-negotiation" was such a let down is that Cameron and co weren't/aren't interested in reforming the EU at all.
They just want the UK to remain at all costs and knew they had to come up with some sort of "story" to sell to people so they had this faux-reform stuff like Dear Harold did in 75.
That will be Dave's legacy, to be remembered (assuming he is remembered at all) as Harold Wilson II. He has a chance to be a "Great" but will just go down as mediocre foot-note in history... Though personally I'll always remember him as the Prime Minister who went to France and got the French to threaten his own citizens.
Expect lawsuits. ISTR John Anderson in 1980 successfully challenging similar state laws.
But he could the Democrat nomination if Hilary has to drop out.
He is firmly wedded to the gravy train and it's been obvious for years what his agenda is.
Why are you using the past tense? That is still how they think.
America has said it does not want to negotiate trade deals with individual small countries but with entire blocks or groups.
The real and nasty project fear is the crude insinuations about millions of horrid nasty Syrians about to pour over our borders if we stay in the EU. Why, Leavers have openly admitted it to each other on this very site.
right
so a G7 nation which sits on the UN council and which is the worlds 5th largest economy is a small individual country ?
4quit
Edit to add: if the Zika virus wiped out every Republican in the US, it's a possibility. But other than that, no.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11600218
so a G7 nation which sits on the UN council and which nis the worlds 5th largest economy is a small individual country ?
4quit
They just want the UK to remain at all costs and knew they had to come up with some sort of "story" to sell to people so they had this faux-reform stuff like Dear Harold did in 75.
That will be Dave's legacy, to be remembered (assuming he is remembered at all) as Harold Wilson II. He has a chance to be a "Great" but will just go down as mediocre foot-note in history... Though personally I'll always remember him as the Prime Minister who went to France and got the French to threaten his own citizens.
The negotiations were not about reforming the EU, they were about protecting our position re the EZ in the EU. We are not going to be in the Euro or eurozone so how they operate is not in our gift and we cannot influence the EU in any way from outside it. The best that would happen is we would obey its rules but have no votes.
Leavers cannot abide the very principle of the EU so can never be reconciled.
Though David Camerons Villa are truly pants, an astute move for him to switch to West Ham. He does rather like ham as I understand...
so you've got it in for the Gazans now ?
Leavers are belittling themselves by their lurch to anti Cameronism. It does betray the inner bile that fills them. Labour must be in stitches.
The POTUS odds remain value as a trading bet. There's bound to be a shortening movement during the campaign. The trick, as ever, will be when to cash in.
What elitist bollocks.
2015 first time asylum applicants Syria 363 000, Afghanistan 178 000, Iraq 122 000 #Eurostat https://t.co/hpRcn2Gs9F https://t.co/9AIhJFTBq3
This week's Markit PMIs when looked at in conjunction with Public Sector Finances and Migration figures point to a whole stack of trouble just around the bend and an economy and public sector no better placed than when Brown was at number 11.
To the Goddess of politics: please, no.
It's about the same as you or me getting it, namely he has no intention to enter it. Pres Bloomberg I'd certainly back at 5000-1, Rep Nom Bloomberg I wouldn't.
However, not sure if the Kiwis are being patriotic, or just hate the margarine label alternative.
Of the members polled, 87% opposed Brexit, due to fears that leaving the EU would make it harder for British companies to reach customers in EU countries; harder to find and employ the necessary talent from overseas; and harder to convince international companies to operate in the UK at scale.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/britains-tech-sector-overwhelmingly-opposed-to-brexit?CMP=twt_a-technology_b-gdntech
Imagining that opposition will remain permanently comatose under Corbyn is a dangerous game.
When the economy turns, and it shows signs that it already is, Cameron and Osborne will become the Blue Blair and Brown.
What do they know... Smearers and fear mongers the lot of them....
Tory MPs Stuart Andrew and Michael Tomlinson are the latest to come out in favour of Brexit along with Tory MEP Syed Kamall.
I think you're overloading on the Daily Mail links - and I love their gossip pages.