Oh and doesn't Havering have a Tory MP too? While Central London's Labour areas are europhile while Outer London's more Tory areas are more eurosceptic.
Look at the South West too. Labour's best area in the South West is Bristol, the only area in the South West to be Europhile.
Outside of Bristol, Somerset and North Somerset are very Eurosceptic - and unanimously Tory.
Plymouth is a Tory city compared to Bristol, and guess what it's a Eurosceptic one.
Havering is full of people who would have lived in the East End and voted Labour in the 1970s, but who find the likes of Livingstone and Corbyn completely repellent.
Labour Left's idea of 'progress' and 'fairness' is completely toxic to them, paying far too little regard to notions of family, hard work and contribution. They are also proud of the country they come from and what their families did to build and protect it.
That's pretty much spot on, do you live here too???
No. I'm in Epping Forest - not literally, but constituency wise.
'Black Wednesday was in hindsight the best thing to happen to the UK economy and sterling despite the PM's wishes.'
'imbecility, imbecility' would be a good description of John Major's approach to the ERM and sterling in 1992.
My favourite imbecility from back then is Major's ludicrous bluster about Sterling replacing the D-Mark as the key currency in the ERM.
IIRC in early summer of 1992 Major said that he would give support to the DM if it came under attack from speculators.
A few weeks later he was saying that if the UK left the ERM then the pound would become as worthless as the Ukrainian Coupon and three million British jobs would be lost.
Picked up 'New Day' today (free) and it seemed very light weight and trying to provide balanced views but does anyone seriously think it will succeed at 50p daily charge and no internet presence. Someone has money to burn
I'm looking forward to the Martin Day, given out for free on 9th May....
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Picked up 'New Day' today (free) and it seemed very light weight and trying to provide balanced views but does anyone seriously think it will succeed at 50p daily charge and no internet presence. Someone has money to burn
The Mirror would get a better return on their money by sitting there burning £50 notes to keep warm.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Cameron's a ruthless bastard, Boris received an appetising hors d'oeuvre last week.
Huzzah for another AV thread.
Cameron no longer needs friends in the Conservative party - political or personal. What he wants is a legacy.
He's already got an amazing legacy.
Kept Scotland in the union for a generation.
Destroyed the Lib Dems, for whom past Tory leaders couldn't shift like a bad STD
Gove improved education standards.
IDS has launched excellent welfare reform
Ozzy has unleashed a jobs miracle as part of a wider economic miracle
Introduced same sex marriage.
What a time to be a one nation Tory.
His legacy will be this dreadful referendum, and his lies thereto. It will overshadow everything else, the way Iraq overshadowed Blair. No one remembers anything else Blair did (and some of it was good, as I must reluctantly admit) they remember the electric issue of the day, which poisons Labour even now. Arguably Corbyn's election is a direct result of Labour guilt over Iraq.
Cameron hasn't done anything spectacularly good which might counterweight this awful EU shit.
Remember we are only one week into this campaign and Tories are already talking about deposing him. This will only get worse. He will win his referendum with the support of Labourites, the same way Blair got his Iraq vote through, with the help of Tories, the historical result will be the same.
In 2012/13 Nadine Dorries predicted Dave would be facing a leadership election that year.
Dave always needed Lab, Lib Dem et al support to win the referendum.
The Tories polled 37% last year. To win a majority you need over 50%.
I know you don't understand politics that well, so stop talking about the EU referendum, you're embrassing yourself.
So if this Dave's Iraq, how many Brits will die and how many Iraqis will die?
Have you started talking hyperbole pills instead of your viagra?
You seem oddly unnerved.
Hah, I'm the antithesis of unnerved.
I'm really looking forward to editing PB during the final stages of the referendum.
I will be crapping my pants around then.
As I am neutral and can see benefits in both sides at present I am relaxed about the outcome and will be relieved that the referendum has taken place and a new conservative cabinet can turn it's attention to governing the Country
Picked up 'New Day' today (free) and it seemed very light weight and trying to provide balanced views but does anyone seriously think it will succeed at 50p daily charge and no internet presence. Someone has money to burn
I'm looking forward to the Martin Day, given out for free on 9th May....
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I will see you good folk on June 24th. There's too much repetition mixed with equal parts bile and tribalism for me to enjoy the site at present!
I don't blame you. Though frankly, whatever the referendum result, I suspect that 24th June won't be the ideal date to return if you wish to avoid bile and tribalism.
A British woman who is a member of the No Borders activist group, which French officials have accused of encouraging migrants to attack police in the area, was arrested as the operation began, police said.
Oh and doesn't Havering have a Tory MP too? While Central London's Labour areas are europhile while Outer London's more Tory areas are more eurosceptic.
Look at the South West too. Labour's best area in the South West is Bristol, the only area in the South West to be Europhile.
Outside of Bristol, Somerset and North Somerset are very Eurosceptic - and unanimously Tory.
Plymouth is a Tory city compared to Bristol, and guess what it's a Eurosceptic one.
Havering is full of people who would have lived in the East End and voted Labour in the 1970s, but who find the likes of Livingstone and Corbyn completely repellent.
Labour Left's idea of 'progress' and 'fairness' is completely toxic to them, paying far too little regard to notions of family, hard work and contribution. They are also proud of the country they come from and what their families did to build and protect it.
It wasn't that long ago when Havering and Hillingdon were Labour inclined boroughs whilst Enfield, Harrow, Merton and Redbridge were safe Conservative:
Picked up 'New Day' today (free) and it seemed very light weight and trying to provide balanced views but does anyone seriously think it will succeed at 50p daily charge and no internet presence. Someone has money to burn
I'm looking forward to the Martin Day, given out for free on 9th May....
The loyalist PB Tories are behaving very strangely, these past days.
To be honest we're having to deal with some real nonsense from some halfwits who haven't learned the lessons from 1992 to 2005 nor have they reconciled themselves with Dave winning a majority in 2015
Why not shut the F up before we examine your pb record in the past. One word.
tim.
Did you have a good time in Kenya?
My daughter is off to work in Kenya again later this month.
She is taking a suitcase full of easter eggs for her Kenyan colleagues.
Surely they will melt?
On the coast or in the Rift valley then most likely. In the highlands much less so. The Aberdares are called that because they are misty and cold like the Scottish highlands.
But because chocolate doesn't keep well it is particularly prised by expats as a gift! Biscuits or hard sweets are a good alternative. The local ones are a bit ropey. Good whisky too is appreciated. I don't know about Kenya but Malawi gin is surprisingly good.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
I was impressed at the robustness of the Macedonian defence:
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Very true. It's one main reason I believe we will quit within ten years (with or without a referendum). Everybody now accepts the EU is shite. How long do you stay in a club that is a load of shite, especially when it costs you ten billion quid a year, minimum?
Not long.
Of course there is a real possibility the EU could implode anytime soon whether we are in or out. The coverage today from Calais and the Macedonia/Greece border show how serious this is. I heard a representative from UNHCR virtually endorsing David Cameron's strategy of concentrating aid in the areas near to the conflict to prevent the exodus
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
People will *still* vote Remain if Cameron promises them the terrors of the earth.
He'll probably find a way to say being in the EU prevents those same migrant invasions on our doorstep.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Most people see things in shades of grey and not just black and white.
The EU has a great many flaws. It's also done a great many positive things. So the question is how do you balance that. The problem is the flaws keep ratcheting up and the positive parts seem to be banked and not increasing rapidly at all and could probably (but not definitely) be maintained now from the outside.
Nah. You might believe that but overwhelmingly the public think it is at best a necessary evil and increasingly an unnecessary one. That is why the supporters of the EU keep having to come up with garbage like preventing war. They have nothing of any real substance to offer that comes within a million miles of cancelling out all the bad stuff.
This is why Cameron's whole campaign is based on fear of change. He simply can't make a convincing case for a positive vision of the EU. Unless you are amongst the tiny minority of people who actually want a federal Europe no one can.
"U.S. Rep. Scott DesJarlais on Monday became the first member of Tennessee's congressional delegation to say he is supporting Donald Trump for president."
That's the 3rd representative for Trump.
Ruby-Oh actually has alot more. But noone is really noticing those, or paying any attention to them. The combo of Jeff Sessions and Chris Christie was huge for Trump.
Oh and doesn't Havering have a Tory MP too? While Central London's Labour areas are europhile while Outer London's more Tory areas are more eurosceptic.
Look at the South West too. Labour's best area in the South West is Bristol, the only area in the South West to be Europhile.
Outside of Bristol, Somerset and North Somerset are very Eurosceptic - and unanimously Tory.
Plymouth is a Tory city compared to Bristol, and guess what it's a Eurosceptic one.
Havering is full of people who would have lived in the East End and voted Labour in the 1970s, but who find the likes of Livingstone and Corbyn completely repellent.
Labour Left's idea of 'progress' and 'fairness' is completely toxic to them, paying far too little regard to notions of family, hard work and contribution. They are also proud of the country they come from and what their families did to build and protect it.
It wasn't that long ago when Havering and Hillingdon were Labour inclined boroughs whilst Enfield, Harrow, Merton and Redbridge were safe Conservative:
Of course there is a real possibility the EU could implode anytime soon whether we are in or out. The coverage today from Calais and the Macedonia/Greece border show how serious this is. I heard a representative from UNHCR virtually endorsing David Cameron's strategy of concentrating aid in the areas near to the conflict to prevent the exodus
Cameron might not have got much of a deal from the EU, but despite all the leftie pressure from Guardian / BBC wing, his decision on how to handle the migrant crisis has been very good. Only taking a set number and only those that have been vetted as genuine and in need and have "played by the rules" is the right way to do things.
Otherwise what you get is more than a million new people in your country of which 400,000 you have no idea anything about them.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Very true. It's one main reason I believe we will quit within ten years (with or without a referendum). Everybody now accepts the EU is shite. How long do you stay in a club that is a load of shite, especially when it costs you ten billion quid a year, minimum?
Not long.
My uber-eurosceptic friend (he hates the EU) has done a SeanT and gone all gaylord ponceyboots over the referendum because he's just bought a nice new house in Saffron Walden, has a 1-year old son and his wife is pregnant with a second child. He says it's a heart v. head thing right now, but he really wants to tell Brussels where to go.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
I was impressed at the robustness of the Macedonian defence:
You do NOT want people like this INVADING your country. This is why Trump's wall is so popular, Cruz and Rubio have adopted it into their policies. The Mexican drug war is very real and something we barely hear about in this country. But it's live in the US and drug trafficking must be a big reason to build it.
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
Of course there is a real possibility the EU could implode anytime soon whether we are in or out. The coverage today from Calais and the Macedonia/Greece border show how serious this is. I heard a representative from UNHCR virtually endorsing David Cameron's strategy of concentrating aid in the areas near to the conflict to prevent the exodus
Cameron might not have got much of a deal from the EU, but despite all the leftie pressure from Guardian / BBC wing, his decision on how to handle the migrant crisis has been very good. Only taking a set number and only those that have been vetted as genuine and in need and have "played by the rules" is the right way to do things.
He has lead Europe in this and Europe will have to adopt this process for it to survive in my opinion. There is a lot of comments on DC's future legacy, both good and bad, depending on remain or leave but my view is that in a few years time, when he has handed on the Premiership he will be considered kindly by most voters
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Most people see things in shades of grey and not just black and white.
The EU has a great many flaws. It's also done a great many positive things. So the question is how do you balance that. The problem is the flaws keep ratcheting up and the positive parts seem to be banked and not increasing rapidly at all and could probably (but not definitely) be maintained now from the outside.
Nah. You might believe that but overwhelmingly the public think it is at best a necessary evil and increasingly an unnecessary one. That is why the supporters of the EU keep having to come up with garbage like preventing war. They have nothing of any real substance to offer that comes within a million miles of cancelling out all the bad stuff.
This is why Cameron's whole campaign is based on fear of change. He simply can't make a convincing case for a positive vision of the EU. Unless you are amongst the tiny minority of people who actually want a federal Europe no one can.
The Single Market and removed tariffs and barriers of trade between countries is a pretty significant (and pretty much only) positive development.
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
Who has done the most robo calling ?
I would not vote for anyone who robo-called me. It is just insulting. Is there any evidence that it has a positive effect?
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Most people see things in shades of grey and not just black and white.
The EU has a great many flaws. It's also done a great many positive things. So the question is how do you balance that. The problem is the flaws keep ratcheting up and the positive parts seem to be banked and not increasing rapidly at all and could probably (but not definitely) be maintained now from the outside.
Nah. You might believe that but overwhelmingly the public think it is at best a necessary evil and increasingly an unnecessary one. That is why the supporters of the EU keep having to come up with garbage like preventing war. They have nothing of any real substance to offer that comes within a million miles of cancelling out all the bad stuff.
This is why Cameron's whole campaign is based on fear of change. He simply can't make a convincing case for a positive vision of the EU. Unless you are amongst the tiny minority of people who actually want a federal Europe no one can.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Very true. It's one main reason I believe we will quit within ten years (with or without a referendum). Everybody now accepts the EU is shite. How long do you stay in a club that is a load of shite, especially when it costs you ten billion quid a year, minimum?
Not long.
My uber-eurosceptic friend (he hates the EU) has done a SeanT and gone all gaylord ponceyboots over the referendum because he's just bought a nice new house in Saffron Walden, has a 1-year old son and his wife is pregnant with a second child. He says it's a heart v. head thing right now, but he really wants to tell Brussels where to go.
Trying to talk him round. With the head.
Should more than talking be needed, think of the bible: They will beat their swords into plowshares - you hit a guy with a plowshare you know he's going to feel it.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
I was impressed at the robustness of the Macedonian defence:
You do NOT want people like this INVADING your country. This is why Trump's wall is so popular, Cruz and Rubio have adopted it into their policies. The Mexican drug war is very real and something we barely hear about in this country. But it's live in the US and drug trafficking must be a big reason to build it.
You have very little choice in situations like that: either you accept you must defend the border, and do what's necessary to disperse those trying to forcefully break it down, or you acquiesce and accept there is no meaningful border at all.
I think the Macedonian riot police were right to use tear gas, and right to wait until a border breech was imminent before firing it.
'A few weeks later he [Major] was saying that if the UK left the ERM then the pound would become as worthless as the Ukrainian Coupon and three million British jobs would be lost.'
Yep - all sounds very familiar, no?
I can imagine one or two people on this board would have been parroting the same cr*p at the time.
And incredibly the clown Major is being wheeled out by the Remain side now
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
Who has done the most robo calling ?
In my case Ben Carson, which is odd. 3 from him over the last few days. One each from the rest today. No Democratic calls of course.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Most people see things in shades of grey and not just black and white.
The EU has a great many flaws. It's also done a great many positive things. So the question is how do you balance that. The problem is the flaws keep ratcheting up and the positive parts seem to be banked and not increasing rapidly at all and could probably (but not definitely) be maintained now from the outside.
Another problem is other people taking credit for the positive effects of the EU. Judging by the adverts currently plastered over bus shelters, you would think the reduction in roaming phone charges was a purely altruistic idea of the telecoms industry.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
I was impressed at the robustness of the Macedonian defence:
You do NOT want people like this INVADING your country. This is why Trump's wall is so popular, Cruz and Rubio have adopted it into their policies. The Mexican drug war is very real and something we barely hear about in this country. But it's live in the US and drug trafficking must be a big reason to build it.
You have very little choice in situations like that: either you accept you must defend the border, and do what's necessary to disperse those trying to forcefully break it down, or you acquiesce and accept there is no meaningful border at all.
I think the Macedonian riot police were right to use tear gas, and right to wait until a border breech was imminent before firing it.
The frogs used water cannon on the shantytown at Calais. The paramilitary CRS were on hand too. I have seen them quell a riot in Paris once. No poxy kettling for them.
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
Who has done the most robo calling ?
I would not vote for anyone who robo-called me. It is just insulting. Is there any evidence that it has a positive effect?
It's irritating but they all do it, along with Facebook and all that stuff.
The Single Market and removed tariffs and barriers of trade between countries is a pretty significant (and pretty much only) positive development.
The world has been heading that way for a long time. If anything with their protectionist attitudes to external parties the EU has actually held this up. It is one thing to have a small free trade area centred on one mature continent but when that ree trade area becomes increasingly protectionist and uses its power to screw growing third world emerging markets it becomes part of the problem not the solution.
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Very true. It's one main reason I believe we will quit within ten years (with or without a referendum). Everybody now accepts the EU is shite. How long do you stay in a club that is a load of shite, especially when it costs you ten billion quid a year, minimum?
Not long.
My uber-eurosceptic friend (he hates the EU) has done a SeanT and gone all gaylord ponceyboots over the referendum because he's just bought a nice new house in Saffron Walden, has a 1-year old son and his wife is pregnant with a second child. He says it's a heart v. head thing right now, but he really wants to tell Brussels where to go.
The loyalist PB Tories are behaving very strangely, these past days.
To be honest we're having to deal with some real nonsense from some halfwits who haven't learned the lessons from 1992 to 2005 nor have they reconciled themselves with Dave winning a majority in 2015
Why not shut the F up before we examine your pb record in the past. One word.
tim.
Did you have a good time in Kenya?
Superb. Just amazing. The Masai Mara is divine. I can see why Englishmen raved about East Africa, especially the wilds of Kenya.
Good stuff!
Tanzania and Kilimanjaro gave me a taste for that region - didn't have chance to go to the Serengeti but would like to, although I was pleased to take in 4 days of Zanzibar - Stone Town with its fusion of African and Arabic influence plus the colonial legacy is quite unlike anywhere else I've been.
Go to the Ngorongoro Crater. Probably the last giant tuskers in Africa. Plus you can go to Olduvai Gorge from there too.
Go back to your roots. Everybody's roots....
Thanks for the suggestion. Wasn't that around 74 /75 million years ago after a super volcanic eruption when its reckoned literally around 2,000 humans were left on the planet, from which we are all descended today?
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Very true. It's one main reason I believe we will quit within ten years (with or without a referendum). Everybody now accepts the EU is shite. How long do you stay in a club that is a load of shite, especially when it costs you ten billion quid a year, minimum?
Not long.
My uber-eurosceptic friend (he hates the EU) has done a SeanT and gone all gaylord ponceyboots over the referendum because he's just bought a nice new house in Saffron Walden, has a 1-year old son and his wife is pregnant with a second child. He says it's a heart v. head thing right now, but he really wants to tell Brussels where to go.
Trying to talk him round. With the head.
You're going to head-butt him?
LOL! No, I mean he's looking for arguments to Leave the EU that appeal to his head, and make sense, not his heart.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
People will *still* vote Remain if Cameron promises them the terrors of the earth.
He'll probably find a way to say being in the EU prevents those same migrant invasions on our doorstep.
I'm serious.
Project fear has started too early - Cameron is rattled, I think. Weeks on end of this and it will end up sounding ridiculous and become a self-parody.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
I was impressed at the robustness of the Macedonian defence:
You do NOT want people like this INVADING your country. This is why Trump's wall is so popular, Cruz and Rubio have adopted it into their policies. The Mexican drug war is very real and something we barely hear about in this country. But it's live in the US and drug trafficking must be a big reason to build it.
Remember how negative the BBC and media were about Israel's West Bank wall it built? But it stopped the Second Intifada. By and large it has worked.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
People will *still* vote Remain if Cameron promises them the terrors of the earth.
He'll probably find a way to say being in the EU prevents those same migrant invasions on our doorstep.
I'm serious.
Project fear has started too early - Cameron is rattled, I think. Weeks on end of this and it will end up sounding ridiculous and become a self-parody.
Talking of which, I am sure someone can do an appropriate REMAIN voice over of this:
Took Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire and sacked the vile racist Enoch Powell.
Took us into the EEC. Anyone voting Remain presumably thinks that was a good thing. (Notwithstanding those people contorting themselves into "it's horrible that we're in but we mustn't leave" positions.)
Thing is that this is the idiotic thing about the Remain camp.
If you believe the polling then many if not the majority of those who are going to vote Remain don't think the EU is a good thing and probably wouldn't think that it was a good thing for us to join in the first place. It is at best a necessary evil to them.
This is the problem that Cameron will have after a Remain win. As soon as it becomes clear that Cameron's deal is worthless and things start to get worse there are a lot of people on the Remain side who are going to feel very betrayed. Worse for Cameron they will feel guilty or having been taken for a ride.
I don't really give much for his legacy. Heath will look like the epitome of honesty alongside Cameron.
Yeah, win or lose, that's one thing that Leave can bank from this campaign.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
Very true. It's one main reason I believe we will quit within ten years (with or without a referendum). Everybody now accepts the EU is shite. How long do you stay in a club that is a load of shite, especially when it costs you ten billion quid a year, minimum?
Not long.
You're on the right lines. The global sovereign debt crisis and the trail it will leave in its wake will force things in the next 5 years.
Horrendous scenes at the Jungle in Calais today plus the tear gas used on the Greek Montenegro border today. These types of scenes are only going to get worse in the next 4 months - its just a case of whether events dear boy events move quick enough to give the boost to vote leave.
Of all the things under project fear, we haven't heard the tired line that the EU has prevented war all that much - we've had wars at the gates of Europe over the past 25 years in the Balkans and the Ukraine, and according to reports last week, the Norwegian government has been preparing a contingency plan in the case of a collapse in Sweden.....so its no surprise that they've been reluctant to deploy that scare tactic.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
People will *still* vote Remain if Cameron promises them the terrors of the earth.
He'll probably find a way to say being in the EU prevents those same migrant invasions on our doorstep.
I'm serious.
Project fear has started too early - Cameron is rattled, I think. Weeks on end of this and it will end up sounding ridiculous and become a self-parody.
Alternatively, "by the time you are fed up of saying something, others are just starting to listen."
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
Who has done the most robo calling ?
I would not vote for anyone who robo-called me. It is just insulting. Is there any evidence that it has a positive effect?
You've given me a great idea for a campaign ad for Leave.
This is what happens to Britain if you vote Remain:
The loyalist PB Tories are behaving very strangely, these past days.
To be honest we're having to deal with some real nonsense from some halfwits who haven't learned the lessons from 1992 to 2005 nor have they reconciled themselves with Dave winning a majority in 2015
Why not shut the F up before we examine your pb record in the past. One word.
tim.
Did you have a good time in Kenya?
Superb. Just amazing. The Masai Mara is divine. I can see why Englishmen raved about East Africa, especially the wilds of Kenya.
Good stuff!
Tanzania and Kilimanjaro gave me a taste for that region - didn't have chance to go to the Serengeti but would like to, although I was pleased to take in 4 days of Zanzibar - Stone Town with its fusion of African and Arabic influence plus the colonial legacy is quite unlike anywhere else I've been.
Go to the Ngorongoro Crater. Probably the last giant tuskers in Africa. Plus you can go to Olduvai Gorge from there too.
Go back to your roots. Everybody's roots....
Thanks for the suggestion. Wasn't that around 74 /75 million years ago after a super volcanic eruption when its reckoned literally around 2,000 humans were left on the planet, from which we are all descended today?
I think you mean 74/75 thousand rather than million. 75 million years ago we still had dinosaurs stalking the earth.
But yes, there is a theory that the human population dropped to around 10,000 or so at the time of the Toba eruption between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago. There is a bottleneck in the DNA which appears to indicate such a drop in world population.
Risible line from Cameron that it would take 10 years for Britain to agree free trade deals with other countries in the EU. Does he seriously think that BMW, Mercedes et al would stand by and not pressurise the German government to clarify the situation around trade with the UK in the event of vote leave? If so, he's even more deluded than I thought!
The loyalist PB Tories are behaving very strangely, these past days.
To be honest we're having to deal with some real nonsense from some halfwits who haven't learned the lessons from 1992 to 2005 nor have they reconciled themselves with Dave winning a majority in 2015
Why not shut the F up before we examine your pb record in the past. One word.
tim.
Did you have a good time in Kenya?
Superb. Just amazing. The Masai Mara is divine. I can see why Englishmen raved about East Africa, especially the wilds of Kenya.
Good stuff!
Tanzania and Kilimanjaro gave me a taste for that region - didn't have chance to go to the Serengeti but would like to, although I was pleased to take in 4 days of Zanzibar - Stone Town with its fusion of African and Arabic influence plus the colonial legacy is quite unlike anywhere else I've been.
Go to the Ngorongoro Crater. Probably the last giant tuskers in Africa. Plus you can go to Olduvai Gorge from there too.
Go back to your roots. Everybody's roots....
Thanks for the suggestion. Wasn't that around 74 /75 million years ago after a super volcanic eruption when its reckoned literally around 2,000 humans were left on the planet, from which we are all descended today?
I think you mean 74/75 thousand rather than million. 75 million years ago we still had dinosaurs stalking the earth.
But yes, there is a theory that the human population dropped to around 10,000 or so at the time of the Toba eruption between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago. There is a bottleneck in the DNA which appears to indicate such a drop in world population.
Yes that's right, 74-75k years ago from the Toba super volcanic eruption.
We are currently sharply divided on this board, but surely we can all agree that the optics for the EU have been terrible today. The Jungle burning, border fences being broken down, tear gas rounds being fired point blank into crowds. And Merkel saying there is no Plan B.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
I think that in places, the migration crisis is becoming an invasion. There are migrants who believe that our countries are their countries, and they're entitled to use violence to force their way in.
I was impressed at the robustness of the Macedonian defence:
You do NOT want people like this INVADING your country. This is why Trump's wall is so popular, Cruz and Rubio have adopted it into their policies. The Mexican drug war is very real and something we barely hear about in this country. But it's live in the US and drug trafficking must be a big reason to build it.
Remember how negative the BBC and media were about Israel's West Bank wall it built? But it stopped the Second Intifada. By and large it has worked.
I've had robo-calls today from every Republican campaign, TV is brimming over with campaign commercials, I can't wait for tomorrow to be over. Talking to a friend in Augusta, they've been bombarded for weeks, as Augusta is on the SC state line.
Who has done the most robo calling ?
I would not vote for anyone who robo-called me. It is just insulting. Is there any evidence that it has a positive effect?
You've given me a great idea for a campaign ad for Leave.
This is what happens to Britain if you vote Remain:
If you didn't watch Panorama this evening, it was a "proper" 1hr episode and i is top notch and totally jaw dropping stuff. Absolutely worth watching and just shows up how poor the 30 min episodes are.
On another note, I'd love to know the thinking behind the launch of New Day. It gives every impression of having being devised on the back of focus group sessions in which people have said: "If only newspapers had more positive news and were not politically biased we'd definitely buy them." Of course they would. I give it weeks.
What I find puzzling it's that it's being marketed as a non-partisan and up-beat newspaper (even got a nauseating strapline on the cover, "life's short, let's live it well" - goodness knows what kind of PR wo/man came up with that one), and yet it's first ever whole-front-page splash is essentially a child poverty pr0n piece.And that's full frontal, à la the Independent's endangered dolphins circa the 1990s to its death. Good grief.
For those last week that were questioning the integrity of Martin Armstrong, please read what he has to say about the notorious judge Owen in his contempt of court case:
...in particular 'a few months into the case, he had the audacity to say to me “we know you did not steal any money, but we will not drop the charges."'
Has anyone done a review of Roger's Oscar predictions for this year? Surprised me that Spotlight won best picture and not The Revenant when I woke up this morning!
David "massive return of power" Cameron will be backing Project Fact? Thats the one where migrant camps spring up in Kent and we lose three million jobs if we Leave??
Does anyone know when we're getting our next referendum poll out? Its nice not to get night after night of polls like we had before the General Election last May, too many cooks spoil the broth!
Imagine if this stuff is going to be on all the front pages and on out TV screens every day for the next FOUR MONTHS, then the Remain side will lose - no question.
Front of the telegraph tomorrow, Cull of the Tory grassroots - what ever that means
There will be no cull. Cons HQ is looking for ways to help associations work with each other for maximum effectiveness. But there will be disagreements
Imagine if this stuff is going to be on all the front pages and on out TV screens every day for the next FOUR MONTHS, then the Remain side will lose - no question.
I really don't think so. It's not enough.
With the economy too, and a stellar performance from Boris, yes. Maybe. Perhaps.
BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking George Kennedy, star of Cool Hand Luke and Naked Gun, dies aged 91 - grandson announces http://bbc.in/21xku5w
Does anybody remember Joe Patroni, the character he played in the entertaining-but-wildly-implausible Airport series? The makers took increasingly strained steps to keep him in the movies, ending up with him as a Concorde co-pilot opposite Alain Delon and David Warner, which was...a bit weird. Odd trivia: the Concorde aircraft they used for the non-model shots in "Airport 79/80" was the same one that crashed outside Paris.
BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking George Kennedy, star of Cool Hand Luke and Naked Gun, dies aged 91 - grandson announces http://bbc.in/21xku5w
Does anybody remember Joe Patroni, the character he played in the entertaining-but-wildly-implausible Airport series? The makers took increasingly strained steps to keep him in the movies, ending up with him as a Concorde co-pilot opposite Alain Delon and David Warner, which was...a bit weird. Odd trivia: the Concorde aircraft they used for the non-model shots in "Airport 79/80" was the same one that crashed outside Paris.
For reasons that are not clear to me, I have the box set of all the Airport movies, plus the soundtrack LP to the first one. One track is called 'Joe Patroni - plane or plow?'
I have already got the Police Squad dvd (the TV series that was the genesis for Naked Gun) and the Naked Gun dvds piled ready to watch. I'll pull the Airport movies too.
Imagine if this stuff is going to be on all the front pages and on out TV screens every day for the next FOUR MONTHS, then the Remain side will lose - no question.
I really don't think so. It's not enough.
With the economy too, and a stellar performance from Boris, yes. Maybe. Perhaps.
Are leave suggesting that if we are out we can close our eyes to this migrant crisis and if not how would they handle the problem
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A few weeks later he was saying that if the UK left the ERM then the pound would become as worthless as the Ukrainian Coupon and three million British jobs would be lost.
No major player, on either side, is arguing that the EU is good for Britain. We argue that it's bad, and we should leave. Cameron and co. argue that it's bad, but the consequences of leaving would be horrible. We're too poor, too small, too thick to survive on our own, in a hostile world.
If Remain win, they're left with a resentful population.
This can't go on for four more months. It will drown out any other sane discussion of the pros and cons of the economic case.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12177718/Calais-jungle-Migrants-set-tents-on-fire-as-riot-police-attempt-to-evict-them.html
Jezza's mates up to no good again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_local_elections,_1986
There's been lots of demographic and political change in outer London since then.
But because chocolate doesn't keep well it is particularly prised by expats as a gift! Biscuits or hard sweets are a good alternative. The local ones are a bit ropey. Good whisky too is appreciated. I don't know about Kenya but Malawi gin is surprisingly good.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35687257
He'll probably find a way to say being in the EU prevents those same migrant invasions on our doorstep.
I'm serious.
This is why Cameron's whole campaign is based on fear of change. He simply can't make a convincing case for a positive vision of the EU. Unless you are amongst the tiny minority of people who actually want a federal Europe no one can.
Otherwise what you get is more than a million new people in your country of which 400,000 you have no idea anything about them.
Trying to talk him round. With the head.
https://www.politicshome.com/foreign-and-defence/articles/story/government-warns-brits-holiday-could-be-stranded-abroad-after
I think the Macedonian riot police were right to use tear gas, and right to wait until a border breech was imminent before firing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K3-U6w5ArM
Yep - all sounds very familiar, no?
I can imagine one or two people on this board would have been parroting the same cr*p at the time.
And incredibly the clown Major is being wheeled out by the Remain side now
Someone's been reading the Sherlock Holmes story "The Man With The Twisted Lip".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3469777/Beggar-earns-500-day-despite-not-homeless-s-equivalent-pre-tax-wage-130-000-just-12-000-David-Cameron-earns.html
He doesn't think he's heard many so far.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/704426876266266624/photo/1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3469580/Shocked-David-Cameron-forced-pause-EU-Q-students-girl-collapses-audience.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5C6kG57J7Q
Horrendous scenes at the Jungle in Calais today plus the tear gas used on the Greek Montenegro border today. These types of scenes are only going to get worse in the next 4 months - its just a case of whether events dear boy events move quick enough to give the boost to vote leave.
Of all the things under project fear, we haven't heard the tired line that the EU has prevented war all that much - we've had wars at the gates of Europe over the past 25 years in the Balkans and the Ukraine, and according to reports last week, the Norwegian government has been preparing a contingency plan in the case of a collapse in Sweden.....so its no surprise that they've been reluctant to deploy that scare tactic.
This is what happens to Britain if you vote Remain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLHIMg4aHgw
But yes, there is a theory that the human population dropped to around 10,000 or so at the time of the Toba eruption between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago. There is a bottleneck in the DNA which appears to indicate such a drop in world population.
George Kennedy, star of Cool Hand Luke and Naked Gun, dies aged 91 - grandson announces http://bbc.in/21xku5w
Macedonian FM Nikola Poposki on fence + tear gas: We're expected to do this to become part of "the club". #Newsnight
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-in-the-media/the-forecaster/hollywood-ready-or-not-here-we-come/
...in particular 'a few months into the case, he had the audacity to say to me “we know you did not steal any money, but we will not drop the charges."'
Has anyone done a review of Roger's Oscar predictions for this year? Surprised me that Spotlight won best picture and not The Revenant when I woke up this morning!
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0005561/quotes
Wossie was pretty bad but Norton is dreadful.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0005561/quotes
I will have to watch all three this week. Really funny movies.
Forgot about this one:
Forgot about this one: lol
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/704436344139939840/photo/1
With the economy too, and a stellar performance from Boris, yes. Maybe. Perhaps.
Good to see the Sun doing it's bit.
I have already got the Police Squad dvd (the TV series that was the genesis for Naked Gun) and the Naked Gun dvds piled ready to watch. I'll pull the Airport movies too.
Thank you for the pollyvote link you gave in previous thread. Most useful.