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It could have been very different. Had Bernie Sanders won the caucuses in Iowa and Nevada, Hillary Clinton’s campaign would now be in disarray.

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  • First ..... again!
  • Second like Trump in November.
  • "Only the FBI can stop Hillary now"

    Hasn't that been the case for several months?
  • FPT
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Based on the latest general election poll in each state (including the latest Florida PPP poll today and awarding Iowa to Clinton, as although tied she led in the previous poll) I make it Clinton 271 Trump 267.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
    http://www.270towin.com/

    On my simulation with Bloomberg running too, I make it a dead heat between Hillary and Trump, with Bloomberg winning New York and California
    There's no such thing as a dead heat is there?

    As far as I understand it either someone reaches 270 and is elected, or barring faithless electors Congress decides as States from the top three candidates.

    Meaning almost definitely the GOP gets it as they control far more States, even if the GOP candidate came second or third.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943

    FPT

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Based on the latest general election poll in each state (including the latest Florida PPP poll today and awarding Iowa to Clinton, as although tied she led in the previous poll) I make it Clinton 271 Trump 267.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
    http://www.270towin.com/

    On my simulation with Bloomberg running too, I make it a dead heat between Hillary and Trump, with Bloomberg winning New York and California
    There's no such thing as a dead heat is there?

    As far as I understand it either someone reaches 270 and is elected, or barring faithless electors Congress decides as States from the top three candidates.

    Meaning almost definitely the GOP gets it as they control far more States, even if the GOP candidate came second or third.
    There are plenty of ways to get ties with three candidates
  • Hillary for Prison 2016. - Huzzah.
  • rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Based on the latest general election poll in each state (including the latest Florida PPP poll today and awarding Iowa to Clinton, as although tied she led in the previous poll) I make it Clinton 271 Trump 267.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
    http://www.270towin.com/

    On my simulation with Bloomberg running too, I make it a dead heat between Hillary and Trump, with Bloomberg winning New York and California
    There's no such thing as a dead heat is there?

    As far as I understand it either someone reaches 270 and is elected, or barring faithless electors Congress decides as States from the top three candidates.

    Meaning almost definitely the GOP gets it as they control far more States, even if the GOP candidate came second or third.
    There are plenty of ways to get ties with three candidates
    My point is its irrelevant isn't it? You need a majority in the Electoral College not a plurality, so either you have a majority or you don't. Dead heats or pluralities don't count, they are all subsumed within the headline "no majority" so Congress decides.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Based on the latest general election poll in each state (including the latest Florida PPP poll today and awarding Iowa to Clinton, as although tied she led in the previous poll) I make it Clinton 271 Trump 267.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
    http://www.270towin.com/

    On my simulation with Bloomberg running too, I make it a dead heat between Hillary and Trump, with Bloomberg winning New York and California
    There's no such thing as a dead heat is there?

    As far as I understand it either someone reaches 270 and is elected, or barring faithless electors Congress decides as States from the top three candidates.

    Meaning almost definitely the GOP gets it as they control far more States, even if the GOP candidate came second or third.
    There are plenty of ways to get ties with three candidates
    Bloomberg will only run if Sanders is Dem nominee in my view and I doubt he wins a state anyway
  • rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Based on the latest general election poll in each state (including the latest Florida PPP poll today and awarding Iowa to Clinton, as although tied she led in the previous poll) I make it Clinton 271 Trump 267.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
    http://www.270towin.com/

    On my simulation with Bloomberg running too, I make it a dead heat between Hillary and Trump, with Bloomberg winning New York and California
    There's no such thing as a dead heat is there?

    As far as I understand it either someone reaches 270 and is elected, or barring faithless electors Congress decides as States from the top three candidates.

    Meaning almost definitely the GOP gets it as they control far more States, even if the GOP candidate came second or third.
    There are plenty of ways to get ties with three candidates
    How confident are you that Bloomberg will enter the race - he seems to have been very quiet of late.
  • Times - Boris u-turn...Apparently out is now definitely out.

    I read his suggestion as Out but with a new arrangement (EG EFTA) in the first place anyway.

    But for someone so erudite as he is, it wasn't very clear exactly what he meant.
    How politics works:

    (1) Politician states his position
    (2) Journalists misunderstand or misinterpret the position
    (3) Politician re-states his position in words of one syllable so even journalists can't misinterpret or misunderstand
    (4) Journalists cry "U turn!"
    Indeed that looks the case to me here. I don't understand how anyone could read what he wrote as meaning "don't leave", he clearly meant to me "leave but get a new arrangement" [like Switzerland etc have] and people took the new arrangement comment to mean stay.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2016
    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,070
    Nearly night all :)

    FPT

    Been to some bits of America but by no means all of it. Love San Diego and Las Vegas and of course Honolulu but Palm Springs is now my favourite bit. To drive round Rancho Mirage, Palm Desert, Indian Springs and to walk along the main street in Palm Springs itself on New Year's Eve in a t-shirt before going back to the hotel pool for a dip....beats a British New Year's Eve any time and every time,
  • Glad to see this incisive comment expanded to become a header.
  • Meanwhile, FPT:

    Times - Boris u-turn...Apparently out is now definitely out.

    I read his suggestion as Out but with a new arrangement (EG EFTA) in the first place anyway.

    But for someone so erudite as he is, it wasn't very clear exactly what he meant.
    How politics works:

    (1) Politician states his position
    (2) Journalists misunderstand or misinterpret the position
    (3) Politician re-states his position in words of one syllable so even journalists can't misinterpret or misunderstand
    (4) Journalists cry "U turn!"
  • Times - Boris u-turn...Apparently out is now definitely out.

    I read his suggestion as Out but with a new arrangement (EG EFTA) in the first place anyway.

    But for someone so erudite as he is, it wasn't very clear exactly what he meant.
    How politics works:

    (1) Politician states his position
    (2) Journalists misunderstand or misinterpret the position
    (3) Politician re-states his position in words of one syllable so even journalists can't misinterpret or misunderstand
    (4) Journalists cry "U turn!"
    Indeed that looks the case to me here. I don't understand how anyone could read what he wrote as meaning "don't leave", he clearly meant to me "leave but get a new arrangement" [like Switzerland etc have] and people took the new arrangement comment to mean stay.
    I said this at time and everyone mocked me!!
  • Times - Boris u-turn...Apparently out is now definitely out.

    I read his suggestion as Out but with a new arrangement (EG EFTA) in the first place anyway.

    But for someone so erudite as he is, it wasn't very clear exactly what he meant.
    How politics works:

    (1) Politician states his position
    (2) Journalists misunderstand or misinterpret the position
    (3) Politician re-states his position in words of one syllable so even journalists can't misinterpret or misunderstand
    (4) Journalists cry "U turn!"
    Indeed that looks the case to me here. I don't understand how anyone could read what he wrote as meaning "don't leave", he clearly meant to me "leave but get a new arrangement" [like Switzerland etc have] and people took the new arrangement comment to mean stay.
    I said this at time and everyone mocked me!!
    I didn't because I agreed. It was blatantly obvious what he meant if you just read the article.
  • Times - Boris u-turn...Apparently out is now definitely out.

    I read his suggestion as Out but with a new arrangement (EG EFTA) in the first place anyway.

    But for someone so erudite as he is, it wasn't very clear exactly what he meant.
    How politics works:

    (1) Politician states his position
    (2) Journalists misunderstand or misinterpret the position
    (3) Politician re-states his position in words of one syllable so even journalists can't misinterpret or misunderstand
    (4) Journalists cry "U turn!"
    Indeed that looks the case to me here. I don't understand how anyone could read what he wrote as meaning "don't leave", he clearly meant to me "leave but get a new arrangement" [like Switzerland etc have] and people took the new arrangement comment to mean stay.
    I said this at time and everyone mocked me!!
    I didn't mock you, I said it at the time too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    Yes, will mainly be to Sharm, Tunisia etc plus a few to South Africa and Kenya plus some visiting family
  • AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    My wife and I are fortunate to have been to all these areas and also Antarctica. Mind you it helps when your eldest lives in New Zeaand
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Great thread concept - and free of waffle. Bravo.
  • Hillary for Prison 2016. - Huzzah.

    Naughty :)
  • AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I've been to every continent bar South America and Antarctica which are on the bucket list.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    A very thorough run through of the permutations David.

    The other variable in this mix - what chance of an Obama pardon for Hilary? And if so, when could he do that?
  • Second like Trump in November.

    Sunil J. Prasannan is calling for a total and complete shut-down of AV threads entering PB.com, until our forum's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
  • AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I've been to every continent bar South America and Antarctica which are on the bucket list.
    Antarctica is a must. It is just unbelievably majestic and you cannot take a bad photo even if you drop your camera. It also as the advantage that most ships leave either from Argentina or Chile
  • AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    Outside Europe, been to USA, Canadia, India and Egypt.

    Probably won't count, but changed planes at Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, and Muscat.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    stodge said:

    Nearly night all :)

    FPT

    Been to some bits of America but by no means all of it. Love San Diego and Las Vegas and of course Honolulu but Palm Springs is now my favourite bit. To drive round Rancho Mirage, Palm Desert, Indian Springs and to walk along the main street in Palm Springs itself on New Year's Eve in a t-shirt before going back to the hotel pool for a dip....beats a British New Year's Eve any time and every time,

    I love the nearby Joshua Tree National Park.
  • Now, this is interesting. Looks like Osborne has decided not to hike taxes and piss off the Conservative base too much more, to me, but go for more spending cuts instead:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35672158

    It wasn't so many years ago that from New Year to Budget Day the Chancellor would rarely be seen.

    Now we get Osborne drivelling on "The economy is smaller than we thought ... "

    Is that an admission that his predictions have been crap ?
    OBRs predictions.
    He is talking about 'may' need. The govt is in fact quite a few billion better off over the next few years because of lower than expected interest rates on borrowing. It strikes me that as long as the govt are seen to be pressing down on spending then those rates will stay low and maybe lower.
    Capital Economics has calculated the rush to safe havens by investors is driving down the rates of interest on government bonds.
    This will reduce government spending by £2bn this year – and by £21bn over the five years to 2020.

    The fact that Osborne is pressing the importance of spending restraint on departments is a good thing its something which needs never to be forgotten.
    100% agreed!

    We should never forget restraint. Even if we were running a surplus then restraint should be occuring.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Hillary for Prison 2016. - Huzzah.

    Hillary for Prison Two thousand sixteen :D
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Pulpstar said:

    Hillary for Prison 2016. - Huzzah.

    Hillary for Prison Two thousand sixteen :D
    Within The 51st State (penitentiary) of the USA.

    :wink:


  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
  • Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    I missed the Arctic (twice) and Russia (three) from my list and I would suggest that our % would be less than 5%
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    edited February 2016
    In America, been to Santa Fe and Albuquerque (including the train linking them!), Denver and Boulder and a couple of outlying towns (did the whole of the RTD light rail network as it was in 2011!), Salt Lake City and Snowbird (did the aerial tram to the top of 11,000 ft Hidden Mountain!).

    Probably won't count, but changed planes at Chicago O'Hare (two separate visits).

    In Canada, been to Calgary Airport and Banff.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    I have never counted up the countries. I suppose I should really just out of interest to see how many it actually was.
  • Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
  • Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Wouldn't it be hilarious though?

    It's got so much TV potential :smiley:

    "Only the FBI can stop Hillary now"

    Hasn't that been the case for several months?

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    You're a warlock, fess up.

    First ..... again!

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Sorry no. My wife and I was the regular and proper way to refer up until the 80's and 90's. Very bad to say "me" and was chastised for it meany times when at School. Still struggle not to say I even now but me seems to be the new way.
  • RodCrosby said:
    "Hillary - My Part in Her Downfall" :lol:
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'm impressed at these stats

    14% to Australia is much higher than I expected.

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    My wife and I are fortunate to have been to all these areas and also Antarctica. Mind you it helps when your eldest lives in New Zeaand
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    edited February 2016
    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Sorry no. My wife and I was the regular and proper way to refer up until the 80's and 90's. Very bad to say "me" and was chastised for it meany times when at School. Still struggle not to say I even now but me seems to be the new way.
    No, it is ME, as it follows a preposition ("by").

    Think:

    Which is correct?

    "That is a sentiment very much shared by (my wife and) I"
    "That is a sentiment very much shared by (my wife and) me"
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    I missed the Arctic (twice) and Russia (three) from my list and I would suggest that our % would be less than 5%
    If I threw in Pitcairn Island as well that might narrow it down further.
  • Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Thanks for that and to think I passed my O levels in English and Literature
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited February 2016
    Already answered

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Sorry no. My wife and I was the regular and proper way to refer up until the 80's and 90's. Very bad to say "me" and was chastised for it meany times when at School. Still struggle not to say I even now but me seems to be the new way.
    No it is ME, as it follows a preposition (by).

    Think:

    Which is correct?

    "That is a sentiment very much shared by (my wife and) I"
    "That is a sentiment very much shared by (my wife and) me"

    The way I was taught in the 60's .
    I wish I could talk proper like what you does though......
    :wink:
  • Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Thanks for that and to think I passed my O levels in English and Literature
    But that was in 1960
  • Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    I missed the Arctic (twice) and Russia (three) from my list and I would suggest that our % would be less than 5%
    If I threw in Pitcairn Island as well that might narrow it down further.
    I am sure it would
  • As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    I missed the Arctic (twice) and Russia (three) from my list and I would suggest that our % would be less than 5%
    If I threw in Pitcairn Island as well that might narrow it down further.
    Guinea Bissau, St. Helena dependencies (Tristan da Cunha), Somalia....
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Here's a quirky thing. How many Tory PBers have explored the Earth vs Labour PBers?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    edited February 2016

    How widely have you travelled beyond UK ?

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Outside the UK, in Europe, been to Calais, Paris, Lyon Airport, Grenoble, Ostend, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Vienna, Geneva, Lausanne, Montreux, Zurich, Chur, Lenzerheide, Pisa and Florence. Changed planes at Frankfurt once.

    Been to New Mexico, Utah and Colorado in the USA, changed planes (twice) at Chicago. Also Alberta in Canada.

    In Egypt, been to Cairo, Giza, Luxor, The Valley of the Kings and Dendera.

    In the Mid-East, changed planes at Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Muscat.

    In India, been to Kerala, Mysore, Bangalore, Chennai (Madras), Madurai, Kanya Kumari, Mumbia, Delhi, Mathura and Agra.
  • As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

    "Of" is, again a preposition.

    On behalf of (my wife and) I?
    On behalf of (my wife and) me?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,942

    As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

    No, on this Sunil is simply correct. In the nominative case it's 'I' and in the objective case it's 'me'.

    "My wife and I went to Australia."
    "My son went to Australia with my wife and me." (Or more naturally with me and my wife.)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Golly. I was born in 1966.

    As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

  • As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

    "Of" is, again a preposition.

    On behalf of (my wife and) I?
    On behalf of (my wife and) me?
    It's nonsensical in any case: you're obviously speaking on your own behalf unless stated otherwise. But if you have to, I think this is one of the rare occasions where a "myself" would be appropriate.
  • Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    That is a sentiment very much shared by my wife and I
    "By my wife and ME"!
    Sorry no. My wife and I was the regular and proper way to refer up until the 80's and 90's. Very bad to say "me" and was chastised for it meany times when at School. Still struggle not to say I even now but me seems to be the new way.
    No it is ME, as it follows a preposition (by).

    Think:

    Which is correct?

    "That is a sentiment very much shared by (my wife and) I"
    "That is a sentiment very much shared by (my wife and) me"

    The way I was taught in the 60's .
    I wish I could talk proper like what you does though......
    :wink:
    Not to worry, Mr Moses!

    TSE commonly makes this kind of grammatical mistake in his myriad PB threads!
    :)
    *waves to TSE*
  • As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

    No, on this Sunil is simply correct. In the nominative case it's 'I' and in the objective case it's 'me'.

    "My wife and I went to Australia."
    "My son went to Australia with my wife and me." (Or more naturally with me and my wife.)
    I am sure you and Sunil are right but old ways are hard to change sometimes
  • Golly. I was born in 1966.

    As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

    I was born in EC Referendum Year :)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Non sequiturs are an arse too.

    As a matter of interest when I spoke at our wedding in 1964 I opened by saying 'on behalf of my wife and I' so in those days I was commonly used. Maybe Sunil is younger

    No, on this Sunil is simply correct. In the nominative case it's 'I' and in the objective case it's 'me'.

    "My wife and I went to Australia."
    "My son went to Australia with my wife and me." (Or more naturally with me and my wife.)
    I am sure you and Sunil are right but old ways are hard to change sometimes
  • Nerds? This is SPARTA, I mean PB.COM!
  • At least this thread has enjoyed some light relief from the EU and US elections with travel logs and lessons on grammar. It really can be very enlightening and is a wonderful forum for discussion. Hope everyone has a good night's rest
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    I'm not a nerd. I'm a wonk.

    Good night
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Seriously, get laid.

    Virtue isn't cracked up to its reputation.

    Nerds? This is SPARTA, I mean PB.COM!
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I was surprised that the Africa figure was as high as 30%, but Tunisia, Egypt and Morocco would be most of the places visited I would guess.

    I'm on 41 countries - been to all the continents apart from Antarctica, although my only trip to Africa was climbing Kilimanjaro, reaching the summit exactly a year ago today. I've got holidays booked to another 5 countries to get me up to 46 - provided I keep the number of countries visited above my age then I'll be a happy man!

    Whilst being very fortunate to be able to travel so much, I really do think the world would be a better place if everyone had been to 40 or more countries and exposed to different cultures around the globe. You learn so much when you travel to different places. I lament the fact that more people haven't been to Russia - if they had then like the relatively few of us who have been, they'd see through the terrible anti-Putin and by extension anti-Russian propaganda in the UK these days.
  • Great thread header.

    In other news, the Irish election looks as if it will produce a chaotic result:

    https://twitter.com/irishtimespol/status/703352044120350720
  • Seriously, get laid.


    When did you last get laid, Plato?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    "Indeed, the British are not that much better travelled when you consider travel outside Europe. Only 44% of Britons have been to North America, 30% have been to Africa, 27% to Asia, 14% to Australia and 12% to South America."

    I'm surprised as many as 30% of Brits have been to Africa, although I guess that's mainly because of Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, rather than sub-Saharan Africa.

    I have been to all continents and not the standard holiday spots either but normally some way out places. I have also been to the Arctic and Antartica. I wonder what % that falls into?

    I also consider myself very very lucky to have the opportunity to have been able to do so.
    Likewise - nearly 80 countries, on all continents. Several of those I could not now safely go back to. I feel very fortunate to have seen them whilst they were still open.
    I have never counted up the countries. I suppose I should really just out of interest to see how many it actually was.
    Far more than me

    Ireland, Faroe Islands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Gibraltar, Spain, Portugal, Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Monaco, Andorra, Malta, Turkey, Kazakhstan, China, India, Phillipines, Hong Kong, Tunisia, Morocco, USA, Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile.

    Favourite of the lot by a long way was Chile.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited February 2016

    Great thread header.

    In other news, the Irish election looks as if it will produce a chaotic result:

    https://twitter.com/irishtimespol/status/703352044120350720

    May surpass 1927 as the most fragmented Irish election ever. Around 6 effective parties.

    FG right at the bottom end of expectations...
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    RodCrosby said:

    Great thread header.

    In other news, the Irish election looks as if it will produce a chaotic result:

    https://twitter.com/irishtimespol/status/703352044120350720

    May surpass 1927 as the most fragmented Irish election ever. Around 6 effective parties.

    FG right at the bottom end of expectations...
    June or September?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited February 2016
    Chris_A said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Great thread header.

    In other news, the Irish election looks as if it will produce a chaotic result:

    https://twitter.com/irishtimespol/status/703352044120350720

    May surpass 1927 as the most fragmented Irish election ever. Around 6 effective parties.

    FG right at the bottom end of expectations...
    June or September?
    Yep, the odds on a second election have just shortened...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    edited February 2016
    Chris_A said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Great thread header.

    In other news, the Irish election looks as if it will produce a chaotic result:

    https://twitter.com/irishtimespol/status/703352044120350720

    May surpass 1927 as the most fragmented Irish election ever. Around 6 effective parties.

    FG right at the bottom end of expectations...
    June or September?
    June was the fractious one. September was more decisive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_general_election,_June_1927
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_general_election,_September_1927
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Chris_A said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Great thread header.

    In other news, the Irish election looks as if it will produce a chaotic result:

    https://twitter.com/irishtimespol/status/703352044120350720

    May surpass 1927 as the most fragmented Irish election ever. Around 6 effective parties.

    FG right at the bottom end of expectations...
    June or September?
    June was the fractious one. September was more decisive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_general_election,_June_1927
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_general_election,_September_1927
    Tomorrow's count will be interesting... and long.

    Seats could fly in all directions by very small margins. Labour and Sinn Fein might do a bit better than expected, as they are now small parties among fellow dwarves...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2016
    Tom Bower's new book Broken Vows: Tony Blair - The Tragedy of Power lays bare how PM presided over a silent conspiracy to change face of UK

    Over coming days, we will also reveal:

    A devastating dossier on how Mr Blair deceived his Cabinet, Parliament and the country into war in Iraq;

    Shocking details of his money-making dealings with some of the world’s worst dictators;

    The truth about his relationship with Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife Wendi Deng.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

    I will hazard a guess the BBC will be far less interested in the immigration claims, than say the Ashcroft book with its totally unsubstantiated claims about Cameron and pigs. The Iraq angle might get an airing though.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2016
    RodCrosby said:
    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the subject of an FBI criminal investigation has been known for several months, as is the fact that 150 FBI special agents are working on it - a huge number. This merely confirms it publicly.

    There is another track to this. A FOIA request by Judicial Watch was granted discovery by a federal court judge yesterday. This could easily result in Hillary being deposed under oath.

    She is in serious and increasing legal jeopardy.

    http://spectator.org/blog/65580/judge-grants-judicial-watch-opportunity-discovery-hillarys-emails
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2016
    Thousands of Albanians and Iraqis, they told Straw, were now illegally entering the country by posing as Kosovan refugees. And they were blatant about it, having made no attempt to learn any known dialect used in Kosovo.

    To prove their point, officials set a group claiming to be Kosovan a test in which they were asked to identify well-known landmarks in Pristina, the capital. On the first day, all the Albanians posing as Kosovans were exposed as liars.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

    Sounds familiar....change Kosovo to Syria. I know somebody who works for CAB and he says that basically everybody comes in and claims to be Syrian and they have "test" sheets and the overwhelming majority can't pass. They have had individuals who couldn't even correctly point out the flag of Syria.
  • AndyJS said:
    That has cheered me up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Tim_B said:

    RodCrosby said:
    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the subject of an FBI criminal investigation has been known for several months, as is the fact that 150 FBI special agents are working on it - a huge number. This merely confirms it publicly.

    There is another track to this. A FOIA request by Judicial Watch was granted discovery by a federal court judge yesterday. This could easily result in Hillary being deposed under oath.

    She is in serious and increasing legal jeopardy.

    http://spectator.org/blog/65580/judge-grants-judicial-watch-opportunity-discovery-hillarys-emails
    They have been saying that for months if not years, Rome was built faster than this investigation as the article at the top of this thread makes clear the longer it goes on the more farcical it could become
  • AndyJS said:
    That has cheered me up.
    Although this is the problem for Leave:

    "There are a few rays of hope for the Prime Minister. More people (50 per cent) believed the economy is a bigger issue than immigration when considering how to vote in the referendum than disagree with this statement (35 per cent). Mr Cameron’s main message, that “Britain will be safer, stronger and better off in a reformed EU,” was supported by 44 per cent, while 39 per cent disagreed. But Tory voters are evenly divided on the issue.

    Some 81 per cent thought that leaving the EU would pose a risk, but the figure has not increased since last month (82 per cent) despite the Remain camp’s warnings."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    AndyJS said:
    It was 52 48 Remain with BMG last week, still very tight and still a clear phone and online poll divide
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Race hustler and corporate shakedown artist Al Sharpton said today that if Donald Trump wins the election he will leave America.

    That settles it. I'm voting for Trump on Tuesday with no qualms.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2016

    AndyJS said:
    That has cheered me up.
    For those on the leave side, this has to be the most worrying stat....

    "Some 81 per cent thought that leaving the EU would pose a risk, "

    It is a leading question, but the Brits as a whole are extremely risk averse in general. Project Fear is and will increasingly be deployed to push against this open door.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited February 2016
    Tim_B said:

    Race hustler and corporate shakedown artist Al Sharpton said today that if Donald Trump wins the election he will leave America.

    That settles it. I'm voting for Trump on Tuesday with no qualms.

    Where is going to go? Canada? I feel sorry for whatever country had to put up with him.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Tim_B said:

    Race hustler and corporate shakedown artist Al Sharpton said today that if Donald Trump wins the election he will leave America.

    That settles it. I'm voting for Trump on Tuesday with no qualms.

    *searches for the 'like' button*
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RodCrosby said:
    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the subject of an FBI criminal investigation has been known for several months, as is the fact that 150 FBI special agents are working on it - a huge number. This merely confirms it publicly.

    There is another track to this. A FOIA request by Judicial Watch was granted discovery by a federal court judge yesterday. This could easily result in Hillary being deposed under oath.

    She is in serious and increasing legal jeopardy.

    http://spectator.org/blog/65580/judge-grants-judicial-watch-opportunity-discovery-hillarys-emails
    They have been saying that for months if not years, Rome was built faster than this investigation as the article at the top of this thread makes clear the longer it goes on the more farcical it could become
    The FBI has made no public statement on the state of the investigation until today. Information has previously come primarily from National Security correspondents.

    With the FBI the longer the investigation goes on the more likely the recommendation of an indictment. If they don't feel they have a slam dunk case they will close it down. 150 special agents and today's comment on 'career attorneys' and a US Attorney now being involved tells you all you need to know - the investigation has finished the initial stage and they feel they have enough to start building a case against Hillary.

    It will take as long as it takes, although I'm sure they aware of the political calendar.

    Judicial Watch has taken a huge leap forward with discovery. That means that whatever the FBI decides, the email scandal will linger long past the election.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Race hustler and corporate shakedown artist Al Sharpton said today that if Donald Trump wins the election he will leave America.

    That settles it. I'm voting for Trump on Tuesday with no qualms.

    Where is going to go? Canada? I feel sorry for whatever country had to put up with him.
    Hopefully Liberia. It's a long way over the ocean.
  • Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Race hustler and corporate shakedown artist Al Sharpton said today that if Donald Trump wins the election he will leave America.

    That settles it. I'm voting for Trump on Tuesday with no qualms.

    Where is going to go? Canada? I feel sorry for whatever country had to put up with him.
    Hopefully Liberia. It's a long way over the ocean.
    I hear parts of Syria have a rather liberal immigration policy and they do like a good rabble-rouser...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RodCrosby said:
    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the subject of an FBI criminal investigation has been known for several months, as is the fact that 150 FBI special agents are working on it - a huge number. This merely confirms it publicly.

    There is another track to this. A FOIA request by Judicial Watch was granted discovery by a federal court judge yesterday. This could easily result in Hillary being deposed under oath.

    She is in serious and increasing legal jeopardy.

    http://spectator.org/blog/65580/judge-grants-judicial-watch-opportunity-discovery-hillarys-emails
    They have been saying that for months if not years, Rome was built faster than this investigation as the article at the top of this thread makes clear the longer it goes on the more farcical it could become
    The FBI has made no public statement on the state of the investigation until today. Information has previously come primarily from National Security correspondents.

    With the FBI the longer the investigation goes on the more likely the recommendation of an indictment. If they don't feel they have a slam dunk case they will close it down. 150 special agents and today's comment on 'career attorneys' and a US Attorney now being involved tells you all you need to know - the investigation has finished the initial stage and they feel they have enough to start building a case against Hillary.

    It will take as long as it takes, although I'm sure they aware of the political calendar.

    Judicial Watch has taken a huge leap forward with discovery. That means that whatever the FBI decides, the email scandal will linger long past the election.
    Regardless it depends what they indict her for if they do at all they have had ample time to do so. Unless she is convicted of high treason the point remains there is no constitutional bar to her continuing to campaign and indeed winning the presidency if she is elected. Post election it is irrelevant if she has lost for obvious reasons in the political sphere, if she wins as she can issue a presidential pardon (the GOP being unlikely to have won sufficient seats in Congress to overturn it or successfully impeach)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Race hustler and corporate shakedown artist Al Sharpton said today that if Donald Trump wins the election he will leave America.

    That settles it. I'm voting for Trump on Tuesday with no qualms.

    Where is going to go? Canada? I feel sorry for whatever country had to put up with him.
    Hopefully Liberia. It's a long way over the ocean.
    I hear parts of Syria have a rather liberal immigration policy and they do like a good rabble-rouser...
    He'd be no use to ISIS. As soon as he turned up in Greece pretending to be Syrian they'd recognize him.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RodCrosby said:
    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the subject of an FBI criminal investigation has been known for several months, as is the fact that 150 FBI special agents are working on it - a huge number. This merely confirms it publicly.

    There is another track to this. A FOIA request by Judicial Watch was granted discovery by a federal court judge yesterday. This could easily result in Hillary being deposed under oath.

    She is in serious and increasing legal jeopardy.

    http://spectator.org/blog/65580/judge-grants-judicial-watch-opportunity-discovery-hillarys-emails
    They have been saying that for months if not years, Rome was built faster than this investigation as the article at the top of this thread makes clear the longer it goes on the more farcical it could become
    The FBI has made no public statement on the state of the investigation until today. Information has previously come primarily from National Security correspondents.

    With the FBI the longer the investigation goes on the more likely the recommendation of an indictment. If they don't feel they have a slam dunk case they will close it down. 150 special agents and today's comment on 'career attorneys' and a US Attorney now being involved tells you all you need to know - the investigation has finished the initial stage and they feel they have enough to start building a case against Hillary.

    It will take as long as it takes, although I'm sure they aware of the political calendar.

    Judicial Watch has taken a huge leap forward with discovery. That means that whatever the FBI decides, the email scandal will linger long past the election.
    Regardless it depends what they indict her for if they do at all they have had ample time to do so. Unless she is convicted of high treason the point remains there is no constitutional bar to her continuing to campaign and indeed winning the presidency if she is elected. Post election it is irrelevant if she has lost for obvious reasons in the political sphere, if she wins as she can issue a presidential pardon (the GOP being unlikely to have won sufficient seats in Congress to overturn it or successfully impeach)
    If she is indicted she is gone - the Democratic Party will already have a Plan B for this eventuality - assuming it's before the election, which it probably will be.

    Stop fixating on legal technicalities. Once the recommendation is issued (if) it becomes a political process to replace her. That will happen very quickly. The legal process will take over a year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RodCrosby said:
    The fact that Hillary Clinton is the subject of an FBI criminal investigation has been known for several months, as is the fact that 150 FBI special agents are working on it - a huge number. This merely confirms it publicly.

    There is another track to this. A FOIA request by Judicial Watch was granted discovery by a federal court judge yesterday. This could easily result in Hillary being deposed under oath.

    She is in serious and increasing legal jeopardy.

    http://spectator.org/blog/65580/judge-grants-judicial-watch-opportunity-discovery-hillarys-emails
    They have been saying that for months if not years, Rome was built faster than this investigation as the article at the top of this thread makes clear the longer it goes on the more farcical it could become
    The FBI has made no public statement on the state of the investigation until today. Information has previously come primarily from National Security correspondents.

    With the FBI the longer the investigation goes on the more likely the recommendation of an indictment. If they don't feel there of the political calendar.

    Judicial Watch has taken a huge leap forward with discovery. That means that whatever the FBI decides, the email scandal will linger long past the election.
    Regardless it depends what they indict her for if they do at all they have had ample time to do so. Unless she is convicted of high treason the point remains there is no constitutional bar to her continuing to c
    If she is indicted she is gone - the Democratic Party will already have a Plan B for this eventuality - assuming it's before the election, which it probably will be.

    Stop fixating on legal technicalities. Once the recommendation is issued (if) it becomes a political process to replace her. That will happen very quickly. The legal process will take over a year.
    They are not just legal technicalities, they go to the very heart of the impact on the campaign and any potential presidency. If she is indicted on very serious charges then it may be her delegates go to Biden and he is nominee but otherwise she may well stay in the race. As I said if she gets to the Oval Office her powers will be such she can end the process in effect, if she loses then the process would continue but her political career would be over anyway
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited February 2016
    The Trumpster's moving in again on BF.

    Amazing the hate and derision that's been heaped on him. Gillray would be proud...

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    http://i.imgur.com/B754EaI.gifv
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,942
    NYT interactive delegate count graphic. Apparently designed to convince you that Rubio can still win even if he loses big on Super Tuesday.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/upshot/republican-delegate-calculator-how-trump-can-win.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    "Our paper helps address an evolutionary mystery: Why would a selfless tendency like moral outrage result from the “selfish” process of evolution? One important piece of the answer is that expressing moral outrage actually does benefit you, in the long run, by improving your reputation."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/opinion/sunday/whats-the-point-of-moral-outrage.html?_r=0
  • AndyJS said:
    That has cheered me up.
    Although this is the problem for Leave:

    "There are a few rays of hope for the Prime Minister. More people (50 per cent) believed the economy is a bigger issue than immigration when considering how to vote in the referendum than disagree with this statement (35 per cent). Mr Cameron’s main message, that “Britain will be safer, stronger and better off in a reformed EU,” was supported by 44 per cent, while 39 per cent disagreed. But Tory voters are evenly divided on the issue.

    Some 81 per cent thought that leaving the EU would pose a risk, but the figure has not increased since last month (82 per cent) despite the Remain camp’s warnings."
    More people care about the economy than immigration? Gee what a shock. It's the economy, stupid.

    If Leave campaign on immigration alone they deserve to lose and will do so.
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