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So far in the referendum campaign members of the YouGov have been tending to be more in favour of BREXIT than those most other online firms and certainly there’s a massive gap between YouGov and the EURef phone polls.
Not that it matters this far out, but the latest 'Leave.EU' poster 'No Pain No Gain' is striking totally the wrong note and playing into all 'Remain's arguments. Utterly inept.
Dave seems to me to be falling into the trap most Tory leaders do of deciding, ultimately, to put himself on the side of the establishment not the side of middle England. They don't learn do they? I think Dave wants to be remembered as the great PM who got us a better deal in the EU. He has failed. Look at the blancmange he served up this week and the press reaction to it. What he'll actually be remembered for is as the PM who conned us into shackling ourselves to a corpse. The EU is never going to become a dynamic, competitive, vibrant democratic, outward looking and culturally confident place. Just look at our neighbours across the channel! Dave is either very naïve or very stupid or very cynical.
FPT: From Twitter, can't yet find a 'proper' source, but it's reported the Swedish aid worker who was murdered by a migrant has had her memorial verboten, in case it offends migrants.
If that turns out to be true (and the mainstream media is, in this regard, sometimes less reliable than Twitter) then it's the kind of insanity that could credibly lead to a real rise of extremist politicians. If the cuddly mainstream won't acknowledge reality and the genuine concerns people have, voters, at least in part, will turn to those who will.
On-topic: it'll be interesting to see how accurate the polling is compared to the General Election. I'm not surprised more people are backing Leave, though. Prime Minister Miliband's negotiation has not exceeded expectations.
The immigration crisis couldn't have come at a worse time for Remain.
You also have to consider that the immigration crisis will only get worse and worse, as the EU has little to no solutions to stop it, and they won't for years and years.
Could be a voodoo poll. I'm reassured that many Brits can still recognise a crock of shit when it's exhibited to them, even when that's by a jolly nice chap like Cameron.
I can't copy and paste it for some reason - but posters should be assured that Carlotta and I have comprehensively debunked the 'economics will win it for Remain' theory at the end of the previous thread.
George Osborne seems to have become a bit tone deaf politically just lately - which may well impact the Leave vote. The front page of City A.M. is a warning to him not to become 'the ghost of Gordon' and further shaft UK private pensions in the upcoming budget. If he does I think he'll have lost middle England. Ozzy may be one of the two candidates served up to the membership for new Tory leader - but it won't be him that gets the nod. What's more if Ozzy does get greedy with the man on the Clapham Omnibus' money that man will be more likely to vote against the establishment (which seems delighted to ignore the views of the plebs). Voters everywhere, from Iowa to Islington, are fed up with simply being ignored. I think the budget could, if Ozzy's not careful, stoke an anti-establishment and anti-EU mood.
Maybe Eurosceptic Tories do not see UKIP within the Westminster context. They are in a mess right now and not remotely close to presenting themselves as an alternative, so why would people say they would vote for them in a General Election?
FPT: From Twitter, can't yet find a 'proper' source, but it's reported the Swedish aid worker who was murdered by a migrant has had her memorial verboten, in case it offends migrants.
If that turns out to be true (and the mainstream media is, in this regard, sometimes less reliable than Twitter) then it's the kind of insanity that could credibly lead to a real rise of extremist politicians. If the cuddly mainstream won't acknowledge reality and the genuine concerns people have, voters, at least in part, will turn to those who will.
On-topic: it'll be interesting to see how accurate the polling is compared to the General Election. I'm not surprised more people are backing Leave, though. Prime Minister Miliband's negotiation has not exceeded expectations.
Well said, Morris, I am afraid much of the european media is following in the same cause, especially in Germany. Twisting in the popular wind.
I can't copy and paste it for some reason - but posters should be assured that Carlotta and I have comprehensively debunked the 'economics will win it for Remain' theory at the end of the previous thread.
Not imo. The economy may not win it for Remain but they would be nuts not to centre on it. It is what swing voters care about more than anything.
To put those figures into perspective... This from the same stage in the last parliament: CON: 36% LAB: 42% LDEM: 10% (via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb 2011)
Miliband had a 6 point lead in 2011, and Corbyn is 10 points behind right now...
Didn't methodology change post 2015, so we can't compare these polls? Chances are the 2011 figure overestimated Labour support much as it did on polling day.
To put those figures into perspective... This from the same stage in the last parliament: CON: 36% LAB: 42% LDEM: 10% (via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb 2011)
Miliband had a 6 point lead in 2011, and Corbyn is 10 points behind right now...
Didn't methodology change post 2015, so we can't compare these polls? Chances are the 2011 figure overestimated Labour support much as it did on polling day.
To put those figures into perspective... This from the same stage in the last parliament: CON: 36% LAB: 42% LDEM: 10% (via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb 2011)
Miliband had a 6 point lead in 2011, and Corbyn is 10 points behind right now...
Didn't methodology change post 2015, so we can't compare these polls? Chances are the 2011 figure overestimated Labour support much as it did on polling day.
.. and still is
Is that your opinion or is there any evidence for that?
Leave.EU have overtaken the Labour Party in number of likes on Facebook. I wish people would stop reporting on the campaign infighting as if it was a defence of the EU. This social network campaign has considerable reach so far, and the campaigning period hasn't properly started yet.
I still say that the referendum will most likely be delayed till the last possible moment.
If the EU heads of government refuse to accept even these meagre points that Cameron has raised in bogus hope, even the most duped will be able to see through this.
The main hope for remain is that many people will vote that way due to fear of change or hope of advancement for themselves, regardless of the general good.
To put those figures into perspective... This from the same stage in the last parliament: CON: 36% LAB: 42% LDEM: 10% (via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb 2011)
Miliband had a 6 point lead in 2011, and Corbyn is 10 points behind right now...
Didn't methodology change post 2015, so we can't compare these polls? Chances are the 2011 figure overestimated Labour support much as it did on polling day.
.. and still is
Is that your opinion or is there any evidence for that?
Just listen to the ordinary man and woman speak about Corbyn. 25% seems generous.. but in answer to your question, its my opinion./gut feel.
TSE - Chin up old fruit and best wishes. I'll even forgive the Poch=Reckless post. Well maybe.
I see Sol's been reaching out to Spurs fans... and legends.
You would thinkCampbell would stop commenting on Spurs no one is interested in yourcomments. @HKane@ericdier@AlderweireldTob are leaders — Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
The fact you left the way you did you will never be remembered like players @LedleyKing who is a real Spurs hero. — Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
Leading figures from Britain’s main opposition parties are joining forces to secure reform of the voting system “by 2021” and will discuss strategy at a conference next week.
Pro-reform delegates will gather in the capital on Monday and discuss how to build a broad alliance to achieve proportional representation straight after the next election.
The meeting will be attended by Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party; Hywel Williams, the Westminster leader of Plaid Cymru; and Diane James, Ukip’s Home Affairs spokesperson.
"Middle England". Who would this group, whoever they are, vote for (other than the Tories) in sufficient numbers to secure a significant number of MPs?
Leading figures from Britain’s main opposition parties are joining forces to secure reform of the voting system “by 2021” and will discuss strategy at a conference next week.
Pro-reform delegates will gather in the capital on Monday and discuss how to build a broad alliance to achieve proportional representation straight after the next election.
The meeting will be attended by Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party; Hywel Williams, the Westminster leader of Plaid Cymru; and Diane James, Ukip’s Home Affairs spokesperson.
TSE - Chin up old fruit and best wishes. I'll even forgive the Poch=Reckless post. Well maybe.
I see Sol's been reaching out to Spurs fans... and legends.
You would thinkCampbell would stop commenting on Spurs no one is interested in yourcomments. @HKane@ericdier@AlderweireldTob are leaders — Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
The fact you left the way you did you will never be remembered like players @LedleyKing who is a real Spurs hero. — Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
Let's all laugh at Reckless again. From yesterday.
UKIP have been arguing among themselves once again, this time in Wales. Welsh ‘Kippers want the right to choose their own Welsh Assembly candidates, and have been fighting against senior figures who want to install Mark Reckless and Neil Hamilton at the top of the list. In a blow to Reckless and Hamilton’s chances, UKIP’s NEC has ruled in favour of the Welsh membership, who will now have the decisive say. Bad news for the centrally imposed candidates who were not popular among local members
I can't copy and paste it for some reason - but posters should be assured that Carlotta and I have comprehensively debunked the 'economics will win it for Remain' theory at the end of the previous thread.
Not imo. The economy may not win it for Remain but they would be nuts not to centre on it. It is what swing voters care about more than anything.
The idea that the economy dominates elections is true if people have nothing else to worry about..... Sadly this time I think something else will dominate people's thoughts....
Leading figures from Britain’s main opposition parties are joining forces to secure reform of the voting system “by 2021” and will discuss strategy at a conference next week.
Pro-reform delegates will gather in the capital on Monday and discuss how to build a broad alliance to achieve proportional representation straight after the next election.
The meeting will be attended by Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party; Hywel Williams, the Westminster leader of Plaid Cymru; and Diane James, Ukip’s Home Affairs spokesperson.
Leading figures from Britain’s main opposition parties are joining forces to secure reform of the voting system “by 2021” and will discuss strategy at a conference next week.
Pro-reform delegates will gather in the capital on Monday and discuss how to build a broad alliance to achieve proportional representation straight after the next election.
The meeting will be attended by Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party; Hywel Williams, the Westminster leader of Plaid Cymru; and Diane James, Ukip’s Home Affairs spokesperson.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Leading figures from Britain’s main opposition parties are joining forces to secure reform of the voting system “by 2021” and will discuss strategy at a conference next week.
Pro-reform delegates will gather in the capital on Monday and discuss how to build a broad alliance to achieve proportional representation straight after the next election.
The meeting will be attended by Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party; Hywel Williams, the Westminster leader of Plaid Cymru; and Diane James, Ukip’s Home Affairs spokesperson.
Also, really sorry to hear about your troubles from the previous thread. There have been some breakthroughs in stem cell research for optic nerve regeneration recently so don't lose all hope.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Typical small mindedness Roger. Only Paris is vaguely cosmopolitan. Most of rural France is decidely introspective, the kind of place where the echangistes sleep with their other sister.
I cannot see the benefit of any UKIP mixing with the Greens or Corbyn, for whatever purpose.
Indeed. If UKIP want to campaign for PR, or something like that, they are better off doing it by themselves. Getting on to a stage with Labour/Corbyn and the Greens is a poor idea.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
The irony is that Hollande's policies have contributed to many of his countrymen and women fleeing to xenophobic England!
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
It would of course be Dave's ultimate u-turn, the one he has been building up to with all his prior u-turns, not to resign following Out.
Not of course that he has said he would or wouldn't but as you say the expectation is that he would.
As an out-waverer (previous in-waverer) I would want him to stay.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
If the Scotch were clever enough to vote No at $113 a barrel they certainly aren't daft enough to vote Yes at $30 a barrel. Total red herring ..
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Typical small mindedness Roger. Only Paris is vaguely cosmopolitan. Most of rural France is decidely introspective, the kind of place where the echangistes sleep with their other sister.
There are also parts of the south where you can't move for Russian oligarchs and film stars.
Roger seems to be suggesting that, despite 1,000 years of history to the contrary, England is only 'cosmopolitan' because we are in the EU! I think he's lining himself up for the SeanT 'hall of PB shame' to join Nabavi and NPXMP with that one.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Sometimes the trolling is just too obvious Roger. >_<
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
It would of course be Dave's ultimate u-turn, the one he has been building up to with all his prior u-turns, not to resign following Out.
Not of course that he has said he would or wouldn't but as you say the expectation is that he would.
As an out-waverer (previous in-waverer) I would want him to stay.
Dave will stay, Osborne would be the fall-guy if Leave wins. Dave will want to oversee the withdrawal negotiations.
Which brings me to another point. Leave can't aim their fire at Dave, he is the nation's least loathed politician, they need to make Osborne the face of Remain. People really, really dislike Osborne. He produces an almost visceral reaction among lefties that I know.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Typical small mindedness Roger. Only Paris is vaguely cosmopolitan. Most of rural France is decidely introspective, the kind of place where the echangistes sleep with their other sister.
There are also parts of the south where you can't move for Russian oligarchs and film stars.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Sometimes the trolling is just too obvious Roger. >_<</p>
Roger thinks the French aren't xenophobic, oh my dearie me.
I find it staggering that Hills continue to offer decimal odds of 3.5 (aka 5/2) against a LEAVE vote in the referendum in the light of YouGov's latest poll in this morning's Times, which shows LEAVE on 45% compared with REMAIN on 36%. Consequently there's currently an arbitrage position with Betfair's lay price of 3.05 (3.11 net of their 5% commission) ...... this won't last long that's for sure! DYOR.
MD I am pleased that the UK has vigorously told the UN where to go re Assange..to compensate him for his own choice of voluntary confinement would just be a bit too much..
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
There will be no second scottish referendum as long as the Tories have a majority government, 2020 at the earliest. With Corbyn it is not unreasonable to suggest 2025 if he is not disposed of quickly. That means it is anything but a certainty.
Secondly there is no reason Dave has to resign, but he is going to go before 2020 anyway so it merely speeds up the process - nothing to worry about.
I was once told by a police sergeant, following an incident in which I was the victim of an attempted street knifing, that the thing to remember about most criminals is how stupendously thick they are.
In my case they had attempted an attack a couple of dozen yards from the local police station!
Press stories about me having Left Labour Leave are nonsense.I will not be supporting Vote Leave for designation by the Electoral Commission
That raises an interesting point - surely the Electoral Commission cannot maintain political neutrality AND appoint a lead campaigner... this seems badly thought through.
TSE - Chin up old fruit and best wishes. I'll even forgive the Poch=Reckless post. Well maybe.
I see Sol's been reaching out to Spurs fans... and legends.
You would thinkCampbell would stop commenting on Spurs no one is interested in yourcomments. @HKane@ericdier@AlderweireldTob are leaders — Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
The fact you left the way you did you will never be remembered like players @LedleyKing who is a real Spurs hero. — Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
Let's all laugh at Reckless again. From yesterday.
UKIP have been arguing among themselves once again, this time in Wales. Welsh ‘Kippers want the right to choose their own Welsh Assembly candidates, and have been fighting against senior figures who want to install Mark Reckless and Neil Hamilton at the top of the list. In a blow to Reckless and Hamilton’s chances, UKIP’s NEC has ruled in favour of the Welsh membership, who will now have the decisive say. Bad news for the centrally imposed candidates who were not popular among local members
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
There will be no second scottish referendum as long as the Tories have a majority government, 2020 at the earliest. With Corbyn it is not unreasonable to suggest 2025 if he is not disposed of quickly. That means it is anything but a certainty.
Secondly there is no reason Dave has to resign, but he is going to go before 2020 anyway so it merely speeds up the process - nothing to worry about.
As I pointed out in the previous thread, those nice people at Wm. Hill are offering odds of 12/1 against Dave ceasing to be Tory Party leader during the course of 2016. In the light of YouGov's poll showing LEAVE having a comfortable lead, these odds represent very decent value in my view, but DYOR.
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Is it this Cosmopolitan spirit that motivates 30% to vote FN?
@SamCoatesTimes: Yes Kate Hoey rejoining Labour Leave now it is leaving Vote Leave - announcement later
@SamCoatesTimes: I'm told that Labour Leave (Labour outers) likely to formally break from Vote Leave later today, further undermining x-party base. Let's see
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Is it this Cosmopolitan spirit that motivates 30% to vote FN?
And another 40% for Sarkozy who is wearing FN clothes at the moment.
Mr. Putney, but won't a leadership contest take months? Even if Leave won and he resigned it may drag into 2017.
Mr. Rottenborough, reading a book about the American Mafia. In the early days, there was a very good Italian American New York detective, whose name escapes me. Apprehended hundreds of crooks.
A new US law in the early 20th century allowed the deportation of anyone who had an overseas criminal record and had been in the country for less than three years. So, said detective went to Italy with a list of suspected criminals to see if they'd been convicted in Italy.
Unfortunately, his police chief (Bingham, I think the name was) was a media fool and publicised the mission. On his first day in Sicily, said detective got shot three times in the head.
It's not only criminals who can be bloody stupid.
[Mind you, your post also reminded me of the terrorist nutcase who tweeted a request for suggested targets].
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
There will be no second scottish referendum as long as the Tories have a majority government, 2020 at the earliest. With Corbyn it is not unreasonable to suggest 2025 if he is not disposed of quickly. That means it is anything but a certainty.
Secondly there is no reason Dave has to resign, but he is going to go before 2020 anyway so it merely speeds up the process - nothing to worry about.
As I pointed out in the previous thread, those nice people at Wm. Hill are offering odds of 12/1 against Dave ceasing to be Tory Party leader during the course of 2016. In the light of YouGov's poll showing LEAVE having a comfortable lead, these odds represent very decent value in my view, but DYOR.
That's a good point. Since this is a very real possibility - and could cause a leadership election shortly after a June vote... I just joined the Conservative party formally to try and make sure I get a vote. (I think it has to be 6 months before) I had been meaning to do it since the GE anyway...
The two most interesting features of a 'Leave' vote would be the resignation of Dave and half his cabinet and the certainty of another Scottish referendum which would likely produce the opposite result to the last one.
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
It would of course be Dave's ultimate u-turn, the one he has been building up to with all his prior u-turns, not to resign following Out.
Not of course that he has said he would or wouldn't but as you say the expectation is that he would.
As an out-waverer (previous in-waverer) I would want him to stay.
Dave will stay, Osborne would be the fall-guy if Leave wins. Dave will want to oversee the withdrawal negotiations.
Which brings me to another point. Leave can't aim their fire at Dave, he is the nation's least loathed politician, they need to make Osborne the face of Remain. People really, really dislike Osborne. He produces an almost visceral reaction among lefties that I know.
I still hope Cameron doesn't go. EU idiocy aside he is a decent if overly cautious PM. I would prefer someone considerably more radical but in the absence of anyone remotely like that Cameron is a good second.
I am not sure the idea that Osborne has tied himself to the Remain camp and is likely to be the fall guy is widely perceived. He is not being highlighted as a cheerleader at the moment in the media is even though he is obviously clearly Remain I am not sure that has connected with the public perception yet.
They make Lord Haw Haw seem like a pleasant person , regurgitating their lies. Nelson is an establishment lickspittle. Fit the rectum better if he highlighted the mess the UK is in and exposed the reality of squeaky's disastrous policies.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/12141257/Imagine-the-mess-an-independent-Scotland-would-be-in-right-now.html
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-)
LAB: 29% (-1)
UKIP: 18% (+1)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 3% (-)
(via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb)
If that turns out to be true (and the mainstream media is, in this regard, sometimes less reliable than Twitter) then it's the kind of insanity that could credibly lead to a real rise of extremist politicians. If the cuddly mainstream won't acknowledge reality and the genuine concerns people have, voters, at least in part, will turn to those who will.
On-topic: it'll be interesting to see how accurate the polling is compared to the General Election. I'm not surprised more people are backing Leave, though. Prime Minister Miliband's negotiation has not exceeded expectations.
You also have to consider that the immigration crisis will only get worse and worse, as the EU has little to no solutions to stop it, and they won't for years and years.
Could be a voodoo poll. I'm reassured that many Brits can still recognise a crock of shit when it's exhibited to them, even when that's by a jolly nice chap like Cameron.
I'm back and still Trumping.
CON: 36%
LAB: 42%
LDEM: 10%
(via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb 2011)
Miliband had a 6 point lead in 2011, and Corbyn is 10 points behind right now...
A good article from Phillip Collins emphasises this in this mornings Times.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4683054.ece
http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/12415/3243821
18 sexual offences (sexual assault through to rape) reported last night in Cologne..
I wish people would stop reporting on the campaign infighting as if it was a defence of the EU. This social network campaign has considerable reach so far, and the campaigning period hasn't properly started yet.
For all those who receive bad medical news remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilko_Johnson#Cancer
If the EU heads of government refuse to accept even these meagre points that Cameron has raised in bogus hope, even the most duped will be able to see through this.
The main hope for remain is that many people will vote that way due to fear of change or hope of advancement for themselves, regardless of the general good.
I see Sol's been reaching out to Spurs fans... and legends.
You would thinkCampbell would stop commenting on Spurs no one is interested in yourcomments. @HKane @ericdier @AlderweireldTob are leaders
— Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
The fact you left the way you did you will never be remembered like players @LedleyKing who is a real Spurs hero.
— Graham Roberts (@GrahamRoberts4) February 4, 2016
Pro-reform delegates will gather in the capital on Monday and discuss how to build a broad alliance to achieve proportional representation straight after the next election.
The meeting will be attended by Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party; Hywel Williams, the Westminster leader of Plaid Cymru; and Diane James, Ukip’s Home Affairs spokesperson.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cross-party-alliance-draws-up-plan-to-secure-proportional-representation-by-2021-a6853811.html
Unsurprising Chairman Corbyn and Mao are in favour. UKIP have only their own serial incompetence to blame for their consecutive electoral failures.
UKIP have been arguing among themselves once again, this time in Wales. Welsh ‘Kippers want the right to choose their own Welsh Assembly candidates, and have been fighting against senior figures who want to install Mark Reckless and Neil Hamilton at the top of the list. In a blow to Reckless and Hamilton’s chances, UKIP’s NEC has ruled in favour of the Welsh membership, who will now have the decisive say. Bad news for the centrally imposed candidates who were not popular among local members
http://order-order.com/2016/02/04/blow-for-reckless-and-hamilton/
If Douglas Carswell hadn't defected, then in May, UKIP would have had nearly four million votes and no MPs.
That's a damning indictment of UKIP's targeting and ground game, Farage should reflect on that if he wants to lead Leave
They all want reform until they get in to government, them miraculously they stop.
He can tar them both with the same extreme and loony brush.
Yowser
My fear is that from becoming gradually more outward looking Endgland would revert to it's old xenophobia self again and the new cosmopolitan spirit that 's emanated from London would start to disappear.
I'm in France at the moment and that cosmopolitan feeling has always been here but it was much later coming to England and it would be a great sadness if we lost it
Also, really sorry to hear about your troubles from the previous thread. There have been some breakthroughs in stem cell research for optic nerve regeneration recently so don't lose all hope.
Not of course that he has said he would or wouldn't but as you say the expectation is that he would.
As an out-waverer (previous in-waverer) I would want him to stay.
Farage is more like deputy junior pro-praetor with special responsibility for fish. Who thinks he should be emperor.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/04/burglar-caught-after-signing-into-his-twitter-account-during-break-in-5662869/
Which brings me to another point. Leave can't aim their fire at Dave, he is the nation's least loathed politician, they need to make Osborne the face of Remain. People really, really dislike Osborne. He produces an almost visceral reaction among lefties that I know.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35499942
*Admittedly, this was because he'd been killed, but the point stands.
Press stories about me having Left Labour Leave are nonsense.I will not be supporting Vote Leave for designation by the Electoral Commission
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I find it staggering that Hills continue to offer decimal odds of 3.5 (aka 5/2) against a LEAVE vote in the referendum in the light of YouGov's latest poll in this morning's Times, which shows LEAVE on 45% compared with REMAIN on 36%.
Consequently there's currently an arbitrage position with Betfair's lay price of 3.05 (3.11 net of their 5% commission) ...... this won't last long that's for sure!
DYOR.
Secondly there is no reason Dave has to resign, but he is going to go before 2020 anyway so it merely speeds up the process - nothing to worry about.
In my case they had attempted an attack a couple of dozen yards from the local police station!
@SamCoatesTimes: I'm told that Labour Leave (Labour outers) likely to formally break from Vote Leave later today, further undermining x-party base. Let's see
Mr. Rottenborough, reading a book about the American Mafia. In the early days, there was a very good Italian American New York detective, whose name escapes me. Apprehended hundreds of crooks.
A new US law in the early 20th century allowed the deportation of anyone who had an overseas criminal record and had been in the country for less than three years. So, said detective went to Italy with a list of suspected criminals to see if they'd been convicted in Italy.
Unfortunately, his police chief (Bingham, I think the name was) was a media fool and publicised the mission. On his first day in Sicily, said detective got shot three times in the head.
It's not only criminals who can be bloody stupid.
[Mind you, your post also reminded me of the terrorist nutcase who tweeted a request for suggested targets].
I'm told that Labour Leave (Labour outers) likely to formally break from Vote Leave later today, further undermining x-party base. Let's see
The actor playing Agave came on stage cradling the head and declaiming "Blest is this prey, new shorn from the trunk."
It was much appreciated by the audience.
I had been meaning to do it since the GE anyway...
I am not sure the idea that Osborne has tied himself to the Remain camp and is likely to be the fall guy is widely perceived. He is not being highlighted as a cheerleader at the moment in the media is even though he is obviously clearly Remain I am not sure that has connected with the public perception yet.
FPT Shocked to hear the news from TSE
All the best ad get well soon mate.