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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited January 2016
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Dair said:
    The Northern Powerhouse was never and will never be about the public sector. Get real.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Half an hour to go, interest in Trump doubles again, now 4 times as much as before he boycotted the Fox debate, 10 times as more as Cruz:

    https://www.google.com/trends/story/US_cu_5NL_ZVIBAABJNM_en

    And apparently Gilmore (mr.0%) won the small debate.
    This night is already crazy.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844
    Dair said:

    Seems like Rowlings latest misadventure on Twitter is backfiring and Euan McColm is getting exposed as the vile troll and bully "Brian Spanner".

    I guess that's why McGarry has apologised:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jk-rowling-receives-apology-from-snps-natalie-mcgarry-after-being-accused-of-supporting-misogynist-a6840411.html
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Seems like Rowlings latest misadventure on Twitter is backfiring and Euan McColm is getting exposed as the vile troll and bully "Brian Spanner".

    I guess that's why McGarry has apologised:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jk-rowling-receives-apology-from-snps-natalie-mcgarry-after-being-accused-of-supporting-misogynist-a6840411.html
    Strange you think that is an apology. Perhaps you should read it again.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Seems like Rowlings latest misadventure on Twitter is backfiring and Euan McColm is getting exposed as the vile troll and bully "Brian Spanner".

    I guess that's why McGarry has apologised:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jk-rowling-receives-apology-from-snps-natalie-mcgarry-after-being-accused-of-supporting-misogynist-a6840411.html
    Strange you think that is an apology. Perhaps you should read it again.
    She actually used the word apologise.

    Unspoofable, as some might say.
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    Maybe what the Rowling/McGarry spat shows is that one person's troll is another person's plain speaker of the truth. Rowling gets continual abuse from Cybernats, but McGarry no doubt gets the same from the other side. Both hate it, but both follow and interact with those who dish it out. Pause for thought and a bit of a coming together seem the order of the day to me. I am getting all wishy-washy in my old age, I guess, but a little understanding and an attempt to see things from the other perspective can go a long way.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Maybe what the Rowling/McGarry spat shows is that one person's troll is another person's plain speaker of the truth. Rowling gets continual abuse from Cybernats, but McGarry no doubt gets the same from the other side. Both hate it, but both follow and interact with those who dish it out. Pause for thought and a bit of a coming together seem the order of the day to me. I am getting all wishy-washy in my old age, I guess, but a little understanding and an attempt to see things from the other perspective can go a long way.

    Rowling is very much a catalyst. She is well aware that if she retweets with a disparaging comment she has an army at her disposal who will happily abuse and bully anyone that she targets.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    And the Trump vs Fox battle begins.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Fox starts with an attack on Trump.
    Trump is running late.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Cruz does a really bad joke about Trump and Iowa.
    CNN has switched to Hillary right now since Trump is late.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Cruz flops on his opening.
    Rubio's turn.

    CNN has switched to Sanders.

    Rubio does his boring new american century stuff and flops.

    Bush's turn, mentions Trump as his teddy bear that he misses, mentions his brother G.W., 34 years of tax returns. He flops too.

    Christie's turn.
    Doesn't mention Trump, talks about his record.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Dair said:


    Rowling is very much a catalyst. She is well aware that if she retweets with a disparaging comment she has an army at her disposal who will happily abuse and bully anyone that she targets.

    quite mysterious. why would a children's author gain such a crowd of followers. mass hypnosis? genuinely strange
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Paul's turn.
    Fox mentions that he is definitely not in the establishment, mentions Ron Paul.

    Paul says he respects his father, makes a pitch for his dad's voters and attacks Cruz.

    Cruz also says he respects Ron Paul, excuses himself.

    Rubio says he respects Rand Paul, turns to ISIS.

    Paul talks about NSA stuff and phone records and John Adams.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844
    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Seems like Rowlings latest misadventure on Twitter is backfiring and Euan McColm is getting exposed as the vile troll and bully "Brian Spanner".

    I guess that's why McGarry has apologised:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jk-rowling-receives-apology-from-snps-natalie-mcgarry-after-being-accused-of-supporting-misogynist-a6840411.html
    Strange you think that is an apology. Perhaps you should read it again.
    She actually used the word apologise.

    Unspoofable, as some might say.
    The best bit is some of the zoomers have been busy deleting photoshopped tweets which they thought 'proved' their case......I here McGarry has offered to do Rowlings books by way of an apology.....
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Kasich turn.

    Talks about his record in Ohio, as usual, New Hampshire New Hampshire New Hampshire.

    Trump is 15 minutes late.

    Carson's turn.

    Goes anti-political, talks about life and death conditions.

    Trump finally is there.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Ben Carson's voice is so enchanting.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    Cruz does a really bad joke about Trump and Iowa.
    CNN has switched to Hillary right now since Trump is late.

    The bitch-slapped bimbo and the Canadian cuckoo are irrelevant now...

    No-one's watching.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Trump talks about standing up for one's self.
    Mentions Fox, says his venue is like the Oscars.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Is Megyn Kelly actually there? Been watching for 10 mins and not seen her yet...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    Is Megyn Kelly actually there? Been watching for 10 mins and not seen her yet...

    She is there, but hasn't asked any questions.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Trump talks about all the people who donated money to his charity.

    Hecklers appear, the crowed goes wild.

    This is turning into a typical Trump campaign event so far.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Trump went to the debate?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    RobD said:

    Trump went to the debate?

    No, I'm talking about his competing event.

    He just said that he will appoint a world class poker player that he donated to his charity, as trade negotiator with China.

    He brings Phil Ruffin casino and real estate Las Vegas billionaire on the podium
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    15 minutes in the Trump event.

    As a show it's terrible.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Trump went to the debate?

    No, I'm talking about his competing event.

    He just said that he will appoint a world class poker player that he donated to his charity, as trade negotiator with China.

    He brings Phil Ruffin casino and real estate Las Vegas billionaire on the podium
    LOL. Is he serious?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Meanwhile in the debate.
    Rubio, Jeb and Paul are attacking each other over Syria.

    Kasich tries to jump in to talk about Ohio, Megan Kelly silences him, giving Trump ammunition.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Rubio talks about islamic terrorism angrily.

    Paul tries to defend muslims, big mistake, pivots to border control which Rubio is against.

    Trump brings the cavalry, Huckabee and Santorum on the podium.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,252
    Trump brings Huckabee and Santorum on stage.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,147
    Speedy said:

    Rubio talks about islamic terrorism angrily.

    Lu Wei sees the blossom fall
    The world sighs briefly
    The earth abides
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Trump brings Huckabee and Santorum on stage.

    Hilarious

    Trump attempted to imply they were there to endorse him.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I want to hear what is going on the Trump event, I don't want to hear from a commentator CNN.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Speedy said:

    I want to hear what is going on the Trump event, I don't want to hear from a commentator CNN.

    http://www.msnbc.com/shift/watch/live-trump-holds-event-rivaling-debate-611051075977
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I found a better channel to watch the Trump event:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/live/?ftag=CNM52ea249
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Meanwhile on the debate, Jeb Bush bores people to death over veterans.

    On the Trump event, Trump talks about himself again.

    Paul talks about criminal justice reform.

    Trump is introducing a veteran called John Wayne.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Half an hour in.
    The Trump event is boring.
    The debate is a wash.
    Both sides lose.

    Christie talks about thousand and thousand of children that are killed just off from the commercial.

    Obamacare question on Cruz.

    Cruz: Obamacare is a disaster, we will repeal Obamacare, talking about his health reform plan.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Puerto Rico question on the debate.

    Jeb: no bailout to Puerto Rico, give right of self determination to it.

    Flint crisis question.

    Kasich: I don't know the details, the fact is that Ohio, Ohio, Toledo Ohio.

    Climate change on Rubio, about flip flopping.

    Rubio: That is not the story, it was Crist not me, I never supported it.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    So first hour, who is winning.

    According to my opinion, both sides lose.

    According to Twitter and Google: Trump and Paul.

    Immigration on the debate now, on Rubio.
    Oh my Fox has just ambushed Rubio on immigration with past videos.

    Megan Kelly has destroyed Rubio on immigration.

    Jeb is attacking Rubio on immigration now, prods his book on Amazon only $2.99.

    Meanwhile on Trump, more veterans are coming on stage.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Jeb accuses Rubio of being a coward.

    Big Rubio-Jeb fight about immigration.

    Fox attacks Cruz on flip flopping on immigration now, using past videos.

    Trump was 100% right, if he was on the debate he would have been killed, and now he is on his own stage.

    Cruz is trying to save his skin from Megan Kelly.

    Paul is going on the attack on Cruz.

    There is a pattern emerging, Fox attacks X and then asks from Paul to support the attack on X.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    The immigration issue is a mess.

    Everyone is attacking everyone, Paul is the only victor (and Trump).

    Christie is attacking both Cruz and Rubio on their videos.

    Meanwhile on Trump, he talks about immigration and terrorism.

    Carson calls to declare war on ISIS for immigration visa reasons.

    Trump is saying that Ivanka will have her baby in Iowa.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Trump's event has ended, it lasted only an hour and I'm panning it.
    But compared with what is going on the debate he's very lucky, it's a nasty mess.

    Jeb is being attacked by Fox on his attacks on Rubio.

    There is still an other hour for Trump to appear on the debate, makes me wondering.

    Fox attacks Rubio on his electability, Rubio says that Jesus is the only saviour.
    Rubio goes on the attack saying that the alternatives are worse, he's very high energy now.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Fox is attacking Christie about his scandals.

    Christie says he knows nothing, and he fired those responsible, and New Jersey is great.

    Trump's event may have been really boring, but if he was on the debate stage he would have been savaged, so far everyone else (Paul excepted so far) has been attacked by Fox.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Now Fox is asking about health care on Kasich and his increasing spending in Ohio.

    Kasich goes on an Ohio tirade about mental health.

    Religious liberty question in Kentucky on Christie.
    He pivots to ISIS.

    Gun control now.
    Rubio is talking about religious values.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Abortion question to Paul.

    He goes about state rights and religious liberty, and some guy 200 years ago.

    Russia question, what if Russia invades Estonia to Carson.

    Carson: Putin is a bully, I will face him with armoured brigades and exercises and missile defence, military aid to ukraine, fracking, he has read his subject well.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Iran question to Rubio

    Rubio: war war war, Iran plots world domination and nuclear weapons, sanctions to anyone who trades with Iran.

    Kasich defends a little the Iran deal, talks about keeping the alliance with europe together.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2016
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Trump went to the debate?

    No, I'm talking about his competing event.

    He just said that he will appoint a world class poker player that he donated to his charity, as trade negotiator with China.

    He brings Phil Ruffin casino and real estate Las Vegas billionaire on the podium
    Not that surprising, they have done business in the past before....Ruffin isn't a world class poker though...world class mark in high.stakes poker games is nearer the mark.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2016
    Great news Rhodes is staying.....some common sense prevails. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you ignorant & hypocritical morons.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Libya question to Christie.

    Christie goes on the attack to Hillary.

    Seems Fox has finished their attacks on the candidates and now goes easy on them.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Paul defends Hillary, for about 3 seconds about Bill's sex scandals.

    Blast it, it gets difficult to post comments right now, vanilla keeps crashing on me.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Ethanol question, I think Bush attacked Trump over a disability.

    Cruz: I'm glad to discuss ethanol, we should develop all fuels but no subsidies not even for oil and gas. I'm not opposed to ethanol. Steve King is a fierce defender of farmers.

    Now on Carson.
    Carson: I'm against the government in our lives, it's unfair to get rid of subsidies and pulling the rug, we can make europe dependent on us for energy.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844
    I wonder if any of them will spot the flaw in their logic?

    Former SNP leader Gordon Wilson has said some Nationalists, who strongly support staying in the European Union, might vote for a British exit in the hope of boosting the chances of gaining independence for Scotland.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14238732.Ex_SNP_leader_warns_some_independence_supporters_may_vote_for_EU_exit/
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    End of second hour.

    The debate has become a peaceful oasis for candidates after a really savage and stormy first 90 minutes.

    Trump would be less and less happy if this goes on, during the first 90 minutes he made the right call to skip, but in the last 30 minutes not so.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    And closing statements

    Paul: It's great to be back, i'm an eye-surgerer, i'm worried about debt and spending.
    Kasich: Positive optimistic attitude.
    Christie: 9/11 9/11, terrorism, prosecuting.
    Bush: Proven record as a conservative, restore, restore, defeat Hillary.
    Carson: Think for our founding fathers, prays on camera.
    Rubio: The bible, the world light is dimming, I will defeat Hillary, new american century.
    Cruz: 93 hours, the future of our children, kill terrorists, repeal obamacare, kill abortion.

    And that's it.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Verdict:

    It was a mess.
    Everyone attacked everyone, the first 90 minutes of the debate where really terrible for almost everyone participating, Cruz pleaded on why Fox was asking everyone to attack him, Rubio was also attacked on immigration and destroyed by FOX, Paul was used again and again by FOX to support the attacks.

    The videos that FOX showed on the debate about Cruz and Rubio were brutal for them.
    At least Carson showed that he knows foreign policy details or at least he tried.

    I have to say I think Trump was lucky not to participate even if his show was boring.

    My ratings:

    Carson 6/10
    Paul 5/10
    Kasich 4/10
    Christie 4/10
    Bush 3/10
    Rubio 3/10
    Cruz 2/10

    Trump's show 4/10, strategically 10/10.

    According to Google Trends, the winner was Trump.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Looking at the debate:

    Winners: Trump (not even there), Carson, Paul

    Losers: Rubio, Cruz

    (it seems that I kept the tradition of live commenting the GOP debate on PB, sorta )
    Good morning.
    I'm off.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Thanks @Speedy for the running commentary.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Speedy said:

    Verdict:

    It was a mess.
    Everyone attacked everyone, the first 90 minutes of the debate where really terrible for almost everyone participating, Cruz pleaded on why Fox was asking everyone to attack him, Rubio was also attacked on immigration and destroyed by FOX, Paul was used again and again by FOX to support the attacks.

    The videos that FOX showed on the debate about Cruz and Rubio were brutal for them.
    At least Carson showed that he knows foreign policy details or at least he tried.

    I have to say I think Trump was lucky not to participate even if his show was boring.

    My ratings:

    Carson 6/10
    Paul 5/10
    Kasich 4/10
    Christie 4/10
    Bush 3/10
    Rubio 3/10
    Cruz 2/10

    Trump's show 4/10, strategically 10/10.

    According to Google Trends, the winner was Trump.

    were there no chicken suits at trumps? the labour party could have let them have a few, probably at a bargain price
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited January 2016

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Well, apparently not all of them but that Michael Gove's doing a bang-up job at Justice.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,194
    edited January 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Mortimer said:

    I'd hazard that most of the people who claim that Britain's railways are expensive don't frequent them....

    Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys of 2015

    James Street to Liverpool Lime Street (clockwise)
    The world's first deep-level underground station (and first accessed by lifts), 1886
    to
    The oldest extant mainline terminus station in the world, 1836.
    Will next visit Liverpool via Chester to Lime Street via Birkenhead
    Hamilton Square (Birkenhead) is the twin to James Street, "over the water" and thus also the world's first deep-level underground station, bored and blasted out of solid rock.
    The railway tunnel under the Mersey was then the world's longest underwater tunnel, and the first under a tidal estuary. The system was also the first in the world to convert from steam to electric, in 1903.
    Surely Brunel's Thames Tunnel was the first under a tidal estuary, given the fact that the Thames is tidal at Rotherhithe? (although that leads to a discussion of where the Thames' 'estuary' actually is)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Well, apparently not all of them but that Michael Gove's doing a bang-up job at Justice.
    Gove wasn't SoS 10 years ago....Ruth Kelly was (followed by Alan Johnson, then Ed Balls, but then Labour SoS were so good they got moved after two years on average....)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,194

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Educashun, educashun, educashun ...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844
    Latest tweet from JK Rowling: The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Latest tweet from JK Rowling: The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius

    she's on the side of the majority in the independence debate
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,019
    Morning. Thanks @Speedy for the running commentary on the GOP.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844

    Latest tweet from JK Rowling: The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius

    she's on the side of the majority in the independence debate
    I suspect she is referring to her recent discussion on Twitter:

    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/1/28/jk-rowling-natalie-mcgarry-twitter?xid=IFT-Trending

    It appears the Nationalist defence is that if you've ever retweeted something by someone you agree with everything they have ever tweeted.....

    Of course the Nats didn't help their case by cut & pasting a supportive Rowling tweet, thanking for a charity donation onto other unrelated tweets.....
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Well, apparently not all of them but that Michael Gove's doing a bang-up job at Justice.
    Gove wasn't SoS 10 years ago....Ruth Kelly was (followed by Alan Johnson, then Ed Balls, but then Labour SoS were so good they got moved after two years on average....)
    Stop spinning and read the report, which actually says nice things about HMG. However, these students' secondary education will have been under Gove's hegemony.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Latest tweet from JK Rowling: The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius

    she's on the side of the majority in the independence debate
    I suspect she is referring to her recent discussion on Twitter:

    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/1/28/jk-rowling-natalie-mcgarry-twitter?xid=IFT-Trending

    It appears the Nationalist defence is that if you've ever retweeted something by someone you agree with everything they have ever tweeted.....

    Of course the Nats didn't help their case by cut & pasting a supportive Rowling tweet, thanking for a charity donation onto other unrelated tweets.....
    "is that if you've ever retweeted" ... 200 times so they say

    I don't care much either way. I can't warm to JK though. I don't know why.

    one could argue that by participating in twitter you are already among the ranks of the insane...

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Well, apparently not all of them but that Michael Gove's doing a bang-up job at Justice.
    Gove wasn't SoS 10 years ago....Ruth Kelly was (followed by Alan Johnson, then Ed Balls, but then Labour SoS were so good they got moved after two years on average....)
    Stop spinning and read the report, which actually says nice things about HMG. However, these students' secondary education will have been under Gove's hegemony.
    Overall, the report blamed poor education at state schools for the existing low levels of skills among those aged up to 34.

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jan/28/english-university-students-further-education-oecd-report

    Virtually all graduates up to age 34 will have been school educated while Labour were in power - out of twelve or thirteen cohorts one or two will have had their final year(s) under the coalition.......who is spinning?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,844

    Latest tweet from JK Rowling: The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius

    she's on the side of the majority in the independence debate
    I suspect she is referring to her recent discussion on Twitter:

    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/1/28/jk-rowling-natalie-mcgarry-twitter?xid=IFT-Trending

    It appears the Nationalist defence is that if you've ever retweeted something by someone you agree with everything they have ever tweeted.....

    Of course the Nats didn't help their case by cut & pasting a supportive Rowling tweet, thanking for a charity donation onto other unrelated tweets.....
    "is that if you've ever retweeted" ... 200 times so they say
    I'm disinclined to trust people who cut n'paste tweets as 'proof'......not just fibbers, but amateur fibbers.....
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Well, apparently not all of them but that Michael Gove's doing a bang-up job at Justice.
    Gove wasn't SoS 10 years ago....Ruth Kelly was (followed by Alan Johnson, then Ed Balls, but then Labour SoS were so good they got moved after two years on average....)
    Stop spinning and read the report, which actually says nice things about HMG. However, these students' secondary education will have been under Gove's hegemony.
    Overall, the report blamed poor education at state schools for the existing low levels of skills among those aged up to 34.

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jan/28/english-university-students-further-education-oecd-report

    Virtually all graduates up to age 34 will have been school educated while Labour were in power - out of twelve or thirteen cohorts one or two will have had their final year(s) under the coalition.......who is spinning?
    exactly why we'll never get any sense in education policy - it changes direction radically on a cycle shorter than most educations. in a sense it would be better to just choose either a) Finland or b) singapore and have done with it, rather than buggering around every time the govt changes
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Latest tweet from JK Rowling: The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius

    she's on the side of the majority in the independence debate
    I suspect she is referring to her recent discussion on Twitter:

    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/1/28/jk-rowling-natalie-mcgarry-twitter?xid=IFT-Trending

    It appears the Nationalist defence is that if you've ever retweeted something by someone you agree with everything they have ever tweeted.....

    Of course the Nats didn't help their case by cut & pasting a supportive Rowling tweet, thanking for a charity donation onto other unrelated tweets.....
    "is that if you've ever retweeted" ... 200 times so they say
    I'm disinclined to trust people who cut n'paste tweets as 'proof'......not just fibbers, but amateur fibbers.....
    This was linked from the wings site:

    https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from:jk_rowling @BrianSpanner1&src=typd

    she seems to know the fellow at least. (I'm not going to spend any more time on the wizardly one -can we talk education instead?)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,019
    edited January 2016

    Newspaper front pages look bad for HMG so Labour will be ... oh.

    The Times leads on our students coming bottom of the international chew gum and walk tables; its second story is the Google Tax flop. The Mail splashes sweetheart tax deals for American companies.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-35435530

    Teenagers....who would have been learning to read & write 10 years ago?
    Well, apparently not all of them but that Michael Gove's doing a bang-up job at Justice.
    Gove wasn't SoS 10 years ago....Ruth Kelly was (followed by Alan Johnson, then Ed Balls, but then Labour SoS were so good they got moved after two years on average....)
    Stop spinning and read the report, which actually says nice things about HMG. However, these students' secondary education will have been under Gove's hegemony.
    Overall, the report blamed poor education at state schools for the existing low levels of skills among those aged up to 34.

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jan/28/english-university-students-further-education-oecd-report

    Virtually all graduates up to age 34 will have been school educated while Labour were in power - out of twelve or thirteen cohorts one or two will have had their final year(s) under the coalition.......who is spinning?
    exactly why we'll never get any sense in education policy - it changes direction radically on a cycle shorter than most educations. in a sense it would be better to just choose either a) Finland or b) singapore and have done with it, rather than buggering around every time the govt changes
    Quite, although I think the drive for Acadamy schools has in part removed the political LEAs from the equation and allowed more freedom for head teachers.

    Health policy is the same in that it would benefit from a reduction in political interference, rather than having to deal with constant change for political rather than service reasons.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Sandpit said:



    Health policy is the same in that it would benefit from a reduction in political interference, rather than having to deal with constant change for political rather than service reasons.

    The same but different in the sense that demand for health services is increasing due to ageing and obesity etc. whereas presumably education demand doesn't change so much? so maybe there is a real need (not just a political motive) for change in health?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,538
    edited January 2016

    Sandpit said:



    Health policy is the same in that it would benefit from a reduction in political interference, rather than having to deal with constant change for political rather than service reasons.

    The same but different in the sense that demand for health services is increasing due to ageing and obesity etc. whereas presumably education demand doesn't change so much? so maybe there is a real need (not just a political motive) for change in health?
    Demand for education is rocketing due to demographic changes fuelled by immigration. The catch is that it's unevenly spread, with most pressure in London and the Home Counties where there was hardly any spare capacity anyway, and a falling demand in e.g. parts of the North, or North Wales. That is to some extent masked though by chronic teacher shortages in those areas which means that class sizes are actually rising.

    This may prove to be a temporary spike or not - but you could say the same for health if superbugs and obesity end by cutting life expectancy.

    (Edited to add 'spare' to 'capacity'.)
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:



    Health policy is the same in that it would benefit from a reduction in political interference, rather than having to deal with constant change for political rather than service reasons.

    The same but different in the sense that demand for health services is increasing due to ageing and obesity etc. whereas presumably education demand doesn't change so much? so maybe there is a real need (not just a political motive) for change in health?
    Demand for education is rocketing due to demographic changes fuelled by immigration. The catch is that it's unevenly spread, with most pressure in London and the Home Counties where there was hardly any spare capacity anyway, and a falling demand in e.g. parts of the North, or North Wales. That is to some extent masked though by chronic teacher shortages in those areas which means that class sizes are actually rising.

    This may prove to be a temporary spike or not - but you could say the same for health if superbugs and obesity end by cutting life expectancy.

    (Edited to add 'spare' to 'capacity'.)
    am no expert but I would guess that the scales are hugely different?
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