Panel base Con 39%, Lab 31%, UKIP 14%, Lib Dem 7%.
All polls over last few days remarkably consistent...just like on GE day, when they were all wrong! Not a criticism, just an observation. Anyone know the London numbers. Would love to know if Labour still leading in our Reds hot city.
"With Corbyn’s personal polling ranging from the calamitous to the cataclysmic it appears Labour are intent on repeating the mistakes of the 2015 general election"
Sanders is only 4/1 for the nomination and 8/1 for the White House. I don't see any value there (quite the opposite) but all the same, for someone like him to be single figures to win is extraordinary.
I still think Clinton will win the nomination and beat Trump for the presidency, providing no indictment, however if it is Sanders v Trump anything could happen
One problem with 2020 is that Corbyn is shutting down potential attack lines. To take the most prominent example, if it weren't for the pointless row about Trident, Labour could attack the government's own defence cuts. Now it can't.
For those of us who missed the interview and should be writing Y9 reports so don't rally have time to see it on iPlayer could some one give a quick summary (or link to same) of what he said?
The govt are spending 2% of GDP on defence as promised. It has just announced a large expenditure programme covering intelligence and our Special Forces. The Typhoon has had its service life extended and numbers increased and its later variants have been upgraded and armed to be very good fighter bombers. We are buying these aircraft carriers and F35s A major AFV programme was announced recently, £3.5bns worth of 38 tonne Ajax or 'Scouts' to replace our light tanks. We have large numbers and a wide range of Warriors and Bulldogs AFVs and Cougar Mastiff Wolfhound Foxhound Ridgeback mine protected vehicles.
2010 defence spending was 42.5bn in 2016 it is 45bn. 45bn is a very large sum.
I do not see how Labour can spout defence cuts when in the course of this parliament we will see Trident replacement laid down, the two aircraft carriers and F35s being commissioned and hundreds of new Ajax AFVs entering service. Plus new and modern Typhoons entering squadron service with squadron numbers increasing.
The only "cuts" were to demented spending programs like MPA (Nimrods that couldn't get a airworthiness certificate), FRES (Vehicles that had a problem with actually existing - MBT level protection while deployable by air....) etc...
In this context the P-8 order and Airseeker are valuable far beyond their cost - as a warning that if industry can't shape up, defence orders will go abroad. And will be purely off the shelf - no juicy little programs to stuff it all up (Chinook style). Yes - although the Ajax vehicles are what has come out of the FRES programme. But as you point out P-8 have been ordered and will be coming into service and Airseeker numbers increased. The programme for the MoD is viable unlike labours overcommitted pie in the sky.
Sanders is only 4/1 for the nomination and 8/1 for the White House. I don't see any value there (quite the opposite) but all the same, for someone like him to be single figures to win is extraordinary.
I still think Clinton will win the nomination and beat Trump for the presidency, providing no indictment, however if it is Sanders v Trump anything could happen
One problem with 2020 is that Corbyn is shutting down potential attack lines. To take the most prominent example, if it weren't for the pointless row about Trident, Labour could attack the government's own defence cuts. Now it can't.
For those of us who missed the interview and should be writing Y9 reports so don't rally have time to see it on iPlayer could some one give a quick summary (or link to same) of what he said?
The govt are spending 2% of GDP on defence as promised. It has just announced a large expenditure programme covering intelligence and our Special Forces. The Typhoon has had its service life extended and numbers increased and its later variants have been upgraded and armed to be very good fighter bombers. We are buying these aircraft carriers and F35s A major AFV programme was announced recently, £3.5bns worth of 38 tonne Ajax or 'Scouts' to replace our light tanks. We have large numbers and a wide range of Warriors and Bulldogs AFVs and Cougar Mastiff Wolfhound Foxhound Ridgeback mine protected vehicles.
2010 defence spending was 42.5bn in 2016 it is 45bn. 45bn is a very large sum.
I do not see how Labour can spout defence cuts when in the course of this parliament we will see Trident replacement laid down, the two aircraft carriers and F35s being commissioned and hundreds of new Ajax AFVs entering service. Plus new and modern Typhoons entering squadron service with squadron numbers increasing.
The only "cuts" were to demented spending programs like MPA (Nimrods that couldn't get a airworthiness certificate), FRES (Vehicles that had a problem with actually existing - MBT level protection while deployable by air....) etc...
In this context the P-8 order and Airseeker are valuable far beyond their cost - as a warning that if industry can't shape up, defence orders will go abroad. And will be purely off the shelf - no juicy little programs to stuff it all up (Chinook style).
Yes - although the Ajax vehicles are what has come out of the FRES programme. But as you point out P-8 have been ordered and will be coming into service and Airseeker numbers increased. The programme for the MoD is viable unlike labours overcommitted pie in the sky.
Ajax was the classic example of dump-everything-that-doesn't-work from a a big program.
The savagery with which every request for "special features" for P-8 and Airseeker has been binned has had senior "defense experts" complaining that they have nothing to do on the these programs.
Sanders is only 4/1 for the nomination and 8/1 for the White House. I don't see any value there (quite the opposite) but all the same, for someone like him to be single figures to win is extraordinary.
I still think Clinton will win the nomination and beat Trump for the presidency, providing no indictment, however if it is Sanders v Trump anything could happen
Barring events Sander wins Sanders vs Trump
It does look that way at the moment, although Trump has led some other polls comparing the two. If Sanders were to become US president that would also provide a fillip to Corbynistas, it is unlikely but certainly not impossible.
It seems to me that unless Labour can either crush the SNP or change the voting system they are finished as a party of government for the foreseeable future.
What difference would changing the voting system make? Who would Labour ally with under PR? It may well only be FPTP that's holding Labour together.
Well, Yes, but changing the voting system would lead to re-alignment among all parties, and almost certainly rule out a majority for any single one. Whichever faction inherited the "Labour" trademark could conceivably find itself in coalition at some point.
Whereas, under FPTP, unless Labour find themselves an SNP-slayer, middle and southern England will remain solidly Tory.
Unless there's a sudden surge in attachment to Britishness north of the border, an SNP-slaying Labour would have to be in some sense 'standing up for Scotland'. Not sure how that will ever square with middle and southern England.
What should there be a problem about anybody standing up for Scotland? The whole SNP prospectus is a rambling pack of lies driven by ignorance and bigotry and a notion of thinking they can do well out of claiming North Sea oil for purely Scottish ends. That notion has been run into the ground. A UK political party should and would claim to be standing up for all parts of the UK. This should be quite acceptable for all parts of the UK. This points to the SNP being an irrelevance when it comes to putting Scotland first. They cannot form a UK government.
Och, wheesht you auld buffoon.
:-) The fact remains that Scotland is too small and economically weak to maintain its current welfare status as an independent nation and as it stands with 50-odd SNP MPs it has no political say in anything.
But it will have $20 per barrel oil.
But I bet the Nats aren't glad that their sensible countrymen saved them from Darien Mark 2.
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
Thirty-odd years ago, as a small boy, my mother and I made the journey from Stockport to Pinner reasonably often to see my grandparents. I always found it frustrating that there was no direct rail/tube link from Watford Junction to the Metropolitan line and that more often than not wed end up going all the way into central London and then out again. Even though it's far too late for me, I find this news curiously satisfying.
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates. She is writing to John Bercow, the speaker, demanding an examination into “unconscious... racial bias” in Ms Laing’s behaviour towards the MPs. Ms Butler claimed that Kwasi Kwarteng, Tory MP for Spelthorne, preferred the company of white people and said his selection as a Conservative candidate was typical of the party’s “window dressing”.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
If that is a true story, that's a lot of nasty implications (alongside the explicit accusations) which I would hope she has evidence for.
The fact remains that Scotland is too small and economically weak to maintain its current welfare status as an independent nation and as it stands with 50-odd SNP MPs it has no political say in anything.
There is no doubt that the idea of a Labour-led Coalition - propped up by the SNP with a big wedge of seats - was utterly toxic to Labour in 2015.
I have no reason to believe that toxin will not be just as potent in 2020, 2025, etc etc.... Labour has to convince it will form a majority Govt. - and that requires demolishing the SNP. Alternatively, for Labour to govern in Westminster, they need the independence of Scotland.
The economy wasn't 'firing on all cylinders' between 2000 and 2007 - the stock market peaked in 1999, industrial production peaked in 2000.
What happened between 2000 and 2007 was a consumption/property bubble ** funded by over a half a trillion pounds of household borrowing and the public finances returning to deficit.
** bubble not boom please note.
The economy was growing - we had growth - there are limits to the different ways you can say that. It was an upswing in the economic cycle that in normal times should have led to the running of surpluses not deficits. We had deficits because the government continued to spend money it did not have - and this form a position where it was perfectly right and safe to run surpluses. Its deceitful of Labour to talk about 'austerity' when the main reason the govt has to rein in spending compared to Labours years is because labour massively increased spending in its time when it should have been holding it back.
The point is that the growth was not real - it was just money being spent on ever-more-expensive property and other consumables (almost entirely imported too) - money that was borrowed by the government, by corporations, by banks, by individuals...
Emphasising that the economic growth of the period was due to an unsustainable economic bubble just serves to damn Labour's spending policies further.
Having created such a massive bubble they then went on a massive spending spree. That to win an election and claim falsely that growth had started. To their eternal shame they still refuse to acknowledge that's what they did. As they leftNo 10 andNo 11 they increased the top rate of tax to further screw whoever followed. The actions were appalling and hopefully will keep them far from office for many many years to. Come.
The fact remains that Scotland is too small and economically weak to maintain its current welfare status as an independent nation and as it stands with 50-odd SNP MPs it has no political say in anything.
There is no doubt that the idea of a Labour-led Coalition - propped up by the SNP with a big wedge of seats - was utterly toxic to Labour in 2015.
I have no reason to believe that toxin will not be just as potent in 2020, 2025, etc etc.... Labour has to convince it will form a majority Govt. - and that requires demolishing the SNP. Alternatively, for Labour to govern in Westminster, they need the independence of Scotland.
Labour has led in England before, so it could do again, hard though it is to see right now.
The economy wasn't 'firing on all cylinders' between 2000 and 2007 - the stock market peaked in 1999, industrial production peaked in 2000.
What happened between 2000 and 2007 was a consumption/property bubble ** funded by over a half a trillion pounds of household borrowing and the public finances returning to deficit.
** bubble not boom please note.
The economy was growing - we had growth - there are limits to the different ways you can say that. It was an upswing in the economic cycle that in normal times should have led to the running of surpluses not deficits. We had deficits because the government continued to spend money it did not have - and this form a position where it was perfectly right and safe to run surpluses. Its deceitful of Labour to talk about 'austerity' when the main reason the govt has to rein in spending compared to Labours years is because labour massively increased spending in its time when it should have been holding it back.
The point is that the growth was not real - it was just money being spent on ever-more-expensive property and other consumables (almost entirely imported too) - money that was borrowed by the government, by corporations, by banks, by individuals...
Emphasising that the economic growth of the period was due to an unsustainable economic bubble just serves to damn Labour's spending policies further.
Having created such a massive bubble they then went on a massive spending spree. That to win an election and claim falsely that growth had started. To their eternal shame they still refuse to acknowledge that's what they did. As they leftNo 10 andNo 11 they increased the top rate of tax to further screw whoever followed. The actions were appalling and hopefully will keep them far from office for many many years to. Come.
Yeah, Gordon Brown created a massive bubble all around the world. Really? And surely deficit hawks would approve of increased taxes, even though the top rate was still low by recent historical comparison.
The economy wasn't 'firing on all cylinders' between 2000 and 2007 - the stock market peaked in 1999, industrial production peaked in 2000.
What happened between 2000 and 2007 was a consumption/property bubble ** funded by over a half a trillion pounds of household borrowing and the public finances returning to deficit.
** bubble not boom please note.
The economy was growing - we had growth - there are limits to the different ways you can say that. It was an upswing in the economic cycle that in normal times should have led to the running of surpluses not deficits. We had deficits because the government continued to spend money it did not have - and this form a position where it was perfectly right and safe to run surpluses. Its deceitful of Labour to talk about 'austerity' when the main reason the govt has to rein in spending compared to Labours years is because labour massively increased spending in its time when it should have been holding it back.
The point is that the growth was not real - it was just money being spent on ever-more-expensive property and other consumables (almost entirely imported too) - money that was borrowed by the government, by corporations, by banks, by individuals...
Emphasising that the economic growth of the period was due to an unsustainable economic bubble just serves to damn Labour's spending policies further.
Having created such a massive bubble they then went on a massive spending spree. That to win an election and claim falsely that growth had started. To their eternal shame they still refuse to acknowledge that's what they did. As they leftNo 10 andNo 11 they increased the top rate of tax to further screw whoever followed. The actions were appalling and hopefully will keep them far from office for many many years to. Come.
Yeah, Gordon Brown created a massive bubble all around the world. Really? And surely deficit hawks would approve of increased taxes, even though the top rate was still low by recent historical comparison.
The UK bubble was exacerbated by the government taking the opposite action to help slow it down.
The problem was that Gordon and Ed really believed that they had abolished "Boom & Bust". Rule one in financial markets is that when someone in a position of power starts saying it will never come down, dump and buy canned goods.... You are definitely at the peak then.
After Corbyn's subs-without-warheads Trident clarification today, it is now obvious how Corbyn will square the circle of the police having a shoot to kill policy against terrorists.
The police will be issued with guns, but no bullets....
The police do not have a shoot to kill policy, as has been made clear by the Home Secretary.
Mr. Eagles, the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish are Celts. So, surely, les Rosbif does refer to the Anglo-Saxons?
Scots and Northern Irish... Celts?
This Celtic myth (largely 19th century) that other than the English the British Isles is populated by Celtic peoples is, well, a myth.
Scots is an Anglo-Saxon language.
I thought the Scots came via Ireland? Does Gaelic have early English influences? I know a lot of Scottish nobility has Norman roots - what language did they speak. Is Scotland more English than the SNP have been letting on?
After Corbyn's subs-without-warheads Trident clarification today, it is now obvious how Corbyn will square the circle of the police having a shoot to kill policy against terrorists.
The police will be issued with guns, but no bullets....
I think your point is well made. Corbyn is a pacifist who will give in to terrorism. At its best he will or would be an inadequate who would be unable to deal with the real world as it hit him in the face. We should bear in mind however that the policies he espouses are the ones the Labour membership, ie the Labour Party want him to promote. Corbyn and his cronies accurately reflect the real face of true Labour.
I was just wondering has Corbyn ever done anything like Question Time in his long career? If he doesn't like meeting the media what will he be like when he has to meet members of the general public
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
Hold on. What happened to the hypothesis that cheap petrol favours the government? Maybe that is why Labour lost.
But yes, it makes sense for Iran to flood the market since from their point of view, even at $5 a barrel, it is still more than the big fat zero they were getting before.
Mr. Eagles, the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish are Celts. So, surely, les Rosbif does refer to the Anglo-Saxons?
Scots and Northern Irish... Celts?
This Celtic myth (largely 19th century) that other than the English the British Isles is populated by Celtic peoples is, well, a myth.
Scots is an Anglo-Saxon language.
I thought the Scots came via Ireland? Does Gaelic have early English influences? I know a lot of Scottish nobility has Norman roots - what language did they speak. Is Scotland more English than the SNP have been letting on?
"Scots is the Anglic language variety spoken in Lowland Scotland and parts of Ulster (where the local dialect is known as Ulster Scots).[7] It is sometimes called Lowland Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic"
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
The only racist in this story is Butler herself. The worst kind of bigot.
Mr. Eagles, the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish are Celts. So, surely, les Rosbif does refer to the Anglo-Saxons?
Scots and Northern Irish... Celts?
This Celtic myth (largely 19th century) that other than the English the British Isles is populated by Celtic peoples is, well, a myth.
Scots is an Anglo-Saxon language.
I thought the Scots came via Ireland? Does Gaelic have early English influences? I know a lot of Scottish nobility has Norman roots - what language did they speak. Is Scotland more English than the SNP have been letting on?
So this might mean that Corbyn’s left wing policies might not be a voter loser as assumed.
Not necessarily, no. And that gives Corbynites hope. However if those policies are inextricably linked with extreme views or incompetence, then people might like some of the ideas but still vote against the people proposing it.
Some left wing economic policies are popular. But, left wing defence and security policies are decidedly unpopular, as is legalising secondary strike action.
Taxes on the rich, and higher spending on health & education (paid by others) is popular.
Anti-national policies on immigration, defence, foreign affairs, europe, security and multiculturalism are very unpopular.
After Corbyn's subs-without-warheads Trident clarification today, it is now obvious how Corbyn will square the circle of the police having a shoot to kill policy against terrorists.
The police will be issued with guns, but no bullets....
I think your point is well made. Corbyn is a pacifist who will give in to terrorism. At its best he will or would be an inadequate who would be unable to deal with the real world as it hit him in the face. We should bear in mind however that the policies he espouses are the ones the Labour membership, ie the Labour Party want him to promote. Corbyn and his cronies accurately reflect the real face of true Labour.
I was just wondering has Corbyn ever done anything like Question Time in his long career? If he doesn't like meeting the media what will he be like when he has to meet members of the general public
I doubt it, but being a nutty backbencher is different from being a minister or shadow. Party Leaders tend not to do QT, except, if the past is followed, a version of it during the general election. Cameron went round didn't he meeting the public when in opposition and I think still does. You would imagine these things would be somewhat filtered and sanitised but from what I have seen they looked pretty unvarnished. I'm not sure if Corbyn has gone out of his comfort zone yet or has plans to. I'm not sure he would go down well in Barrow in Furnace.
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
She sounds like a piece of work.
Thick as s##t is our Dawn...and was in the big leagues on the expenses troughing. Is a disgrace she is back in parliament on so many levels.
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
She sounds like a piece of work.
She's just another racist, sheltering behind the fact that she's black - which makes it OK.
If Labour fail to retake seats in Scotland, how would they offset that failure in England and Wales? The local government by-elections don't appear to show a huge surge in support for Labour.
Brighton Kemptown, Croydon Central, perhaps Sheffield Hallam are the only gains (on current boundaries) I could see Labour making under Corbyn. They'd be offset by losing seats like Chester, NE Derbysire, Newcastle under Lyme, Ealing Acton, Darlington, Hartlepool, Wirral West, Barrow in Furness, Halifax, etc.
So this might mean that Corbyn’s left wing policies might not be a voter loser as assumed.
Not necessarily, no. And that gives Corbynites hope. However if those policies are inextricably linked with extreme views or incompetence, then people might like some of the ideas but still vote against the people proposing it.
Some left wing economic policies are popular. But, left wing defence and security policies are decidedly unpopular, as is legalising secondary strike action.
Taxes on the rich, and higher spending on health & education (paid by others) is popular.
Anti-national policies on immigration, defence, foreign affairs, europe, security and multiculturalism are very unpopular.
I think it's more 'taxes on people who aren't me' are always popular.
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
I would say you are English/ British, but that because you are out of touch as you are in Italy then your opinions might not be accurately based. But then again they may be and you are certainly entitled to them.
The economy wasn't 'firing on all cylinders' between 2000 and 2007 - the stock market peaked in 1999, industrial production peaked in 2000.
What happened between 2000 and 2007 was a consumption/property bubble ** funded by over a half a trillion pounds of household borrowing and the public finances returning to deficit.
** bubble not boom please note.
The economy was growing - we had growth - there are limits to the different ways you can say that. It was an upswing in the economic cycle that in normal times should have led to the running of surpluses not deficits. We had deficits because the government continued to spend money it did not have - and this form a position where it was perfectly right and safe to run surpluses. Its deceitful of Labour to talk about 'austerity' when the main reason the govt has to rein in spending compared to Labours years is because labour massively increased spending in its time when it should have been holding it back.
The point is that the growth was not real - it was just money being spent on ever-more-expensive property and other consumables (almost entirely imported too) - money that was borrowed by the government, by corporations, by banks, by individuals...
Emphasising that the economic growth of the period was due to an unsustainable economic bubble just serves to damn Labour's spending policies further.
Having created such a massive bubble they then went on a massive spending spree. That to win an election and claim falsely that growth had started. To their eternal shame they still refuse to acknowledge that's what they did. As they leftNo 10 andNo 11 they increased the top rate of tax to further screw whoever followed. The actions were appalling and hopefully will keep them far from office for many many years to. Come.
Yeah, Gordon Brown created a massive bubble all around the world. Really? And surely deficit hawks would approve of increased taxes, even though the top rate was still low by recent historical comparison.
He saved the world so he said. When it happened we were ill prepared. Brown failed to see those events. Despite constant warnings about the dire Uk situation from Lilley in 2007 followed constantly from the EU, IMF etc etc. From 2003 onwards. He ignored them all. Utterly useless twat he was.
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
I thought various Celtic tribes were about and the Anglo-Saxons formed England, pushing them out. [Scotland had Picts originally, but the Scotti were a Hibernian tribe of Celts, if I remember correctly].
Regardless of that, only England is Anglo-Saxon, yes?
Also the southern bit of Scotland. Edinburgh was in Northumbria once. Although the Anglo-Saxons probably didn't "push them out" (where did they go?) but most probably they saw which way the wind was blowing and became culturally assimilated to the incomers.
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
She sounds like a piece of work.
Didn't she have very questionable expense claims before she lost to Sarah Teather in 2010?
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
Flightpath.. My home at the moment is in Italy but I work in the UK..for most of the year ..It is ridiculous to assume that if if someone is not standing on English soil that they know nothing about UK politics...I watch the HOC debates most days, sometimes read Hansard..read the UK papers..watch UK news channels..and regularly check into PB..I think I might just be abreast of most current affairs..
Mr. Wanderer, surely French for Anglo-Saxon is 'le rosbif'?
Nope. Les Rosbif is for us English, and of course Perfidious Albion
I thought you were Pakistani?
He is English and British (and as such has won the lottery of life) but not anglo saxon.
So how did he end up being a Muslim?
What has that got to do with anything?
It is unusual for English people to convert to being Muslims, that is all.
There's this thing called immigration. Sometimes people move country. Afterwards they might have children. Then, their children take on the new nationality but can keep aspects of their parents' culture.
So this might mean that Corbyn’s left wing policies might not be a voter loser as assumed.
Not necessarily, no. And that gives Corbynites hope. However if those policies are inextricably linked with extreme views or incompetence, then people might like some of the ideas but still vote against the people proposing it.
Some left wing economic policies are popular. But, left wing defence and security policies are decidedly unpopular, as is legalising secondary strike action.
Taxes on the rich, and higher spending on health & education (paid by others) is popular.
Anti-national policies on immigration, defence, foreign affairs, europe, security and multiculturalism are very unpopular.
I think it's more 'taxes on people who aren't me' are always popular.
Poor, defenseless rich people. You've got to feel sorry for them: they've really got it rough in our country.
Flightpath.. My home at the moment is in Italy but I work in the UK..for most of the year ..It is ridiculous to assume that if if someone is not standing on English soil that they know nothing about UK politics...I watch the HOC debates most days, sometimes read Hansard..read the UK papers..watch UK news channels..and regularly check into PB..I think I might just be abreast of most current affairs..
You certainly sound more abreast of things than me. Watching actual HOC debates? Now that is dedication!
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
I'm not a doctor so can't comment, but i doubt there are the staff to allow that level of cut. There is however no incentive for Trusts to stock to the rules because they just fine themselves. The money is supposed to go on doctor training so no prizes for guessing what will happen. Doctors will be rostered over the maximum to create the money for the staff training budget which will be slashed. You can bet your life that if there's a way of gaming the system it will happen.
So this might mean that Corbyn’s left wing policies might not be a voter loser as assumed.
Not necessarily, no. And that gives Corbynites hope. However if those policies are inextricably linked with extreme views or incompetence, then people might like some of the ideas but still vote against the people proposing it.
Some left wing economic policies are popular. But, left wing defence and security policies are decidedly unpopular, as is legalising secondary strike action.
Taxes on the rich, and higher spending on health & education (paid by others) is popular.
Anti-national policies on immigration, defence, foreign affairs, europe, security and multiculturalism are very unpopular.
I think it's more 'taxes on people who aren't me' are always popular.
Poor, defenseless rich people. You've got to feel sorry for them: they've really got it rough in our country.
They could always move elsewhere and take their money with them. When you're rich, you can.
Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, has accused the deputy speaker of “subliminal” racism and launched an attack against a black Tory MP whom she claims prefers associating with white people. She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
She sounds like a piece of work.
Didn't she have very questionable expense claims before she lost to Sarah Teather in 2010?
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
That is outrageous. The only problem with TSE is that he is a Tory !
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
I'm not a doctor so can't comment, but i doubt there are the staff to allow that level of cut. There is however no incentive for Trusts to stock to the rules because they just fine themselves. The money is supposed to go on doctor training so no prizes for guessing what will happen. Doctors will be rostered over the maximum to create the money for the staff training budget which will be slashed. You can bet your life that if there's a way of gaming the system it will happen.
So despite the fact you are banging on about this non-stop you actually know fuck all about it, you just make assumptions.
After Corbyn's subs-without-warheads Trident clarification today, it is now obvious how Corbyn will square the circle of the police having a shoot to kill policy against terrorists.
The police will be issued with guns, but no bullets....
The police do not have a shoot to kill policy, as has been made clear by the Home Secretary.
I find "shoot to kill" is an awful phrase. It implies an intent to kill, which can easily morph into use of maximum force and bullets spraying all over the place.
"Shoot to wound" is impractical as aiming for an arm or leg could result in easily missing and hitting a member of the public, as well as risking the life of the officer involved.
What it should really be is "shoot to incapacitate" when life is in immediate danger.
In most instants, this will result in targeting the chest and death to the terrorist.
What the issue is really about is whether Corbyn accepts (and would authorise) that under some circumstances use of lethal force is necessary to protect the public.
Mr. Wanderer, surely French for Anglo-Saxon is 'le rosbif'?
Nope. Les Rosbif is for us English, and of course Perfidious Albion
I thought you were Pakistani?
He is English and British (and as such has won the lottery of life) but not anglo saxon.
So how did he end up being a Muslim?
What has that got to do with anything?
It is unusual for English people to convert to being Muslims, that is all.
There's this thing called immigration. Sometimes people move country. Afterwards they might have children. Then, their children take on the new nationality but can keep aspects of their parents' culture.
You're welcome.
But if you don't adopt the culture of the country you are born in you are just a foreigner who happens to have been born abroad. If my kids had been born when I lived in Holland or Germany, they would still have been English. It is how you live your life that defines your nationality, as illustrated by Richard Dodd who is clearly English but living abroad. Why people deny who they really are escapes and saddens me.
Chris A So you wake up this morning with severe chest pains short of breath, sweating, feeling faint but you wont go to Hospital because of something someone called Hunt has said..dont be a pillock..
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
That is outrageous. The only problem with TSE is that he is a Tory !
Mr. Wanderer, surely French for Anglo-Saxon is 'le rosbif'?
Nope. Les Rosbif is for us English, and of course Perfidious Albion
I thought you were Pakistani?
He is English and British (and as such has won the lottery of life) but not anglo saxon.
So how did he end up being a Muslim?
What has that got to do with anything?
It is unusual for English people to convert to being Muslims, that is all.
There's this thing called immigration. Sometimes people move country. Afterwards they might have children. Then, their children take on the new nationality but can keep aspects of their parents' culture.
You're welcome.
But if you don't adopt the culture of the country you are born in you are just a foreigner who happens to have been born abroad. If my kids had been born when I lived in Holland or Germany, they would still have been English. It is how you live your life that defines your nationality, as illustrated by Richard Dodd who is clearly English but living abroad. Why people deny who they really are escapes and saddens me.
There has been much talk on here from many about if there is a need for a minimum level of cultural assimilation from immigrants. Yours may have taken the award for the most extreme end of the scale of that particular debate.
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
That is outrageous. The only problem with TSE is that he is a Tory !
Chris A So you wake up this morning with severe chest pains short of breath, sweating, feeling faint but you wont go to Hospital because of something someone called Hunt has said..dont be a pillock..
The economy wasn't 'firing on all cylinders' between 2000 and 2007 - the stock market peaked in 1999, industrial production peaked in 2000.
What happened between 2000 and 2007 was a consumption/property bubble ** funded by over a half a trillion pounds of household borrowing and the public finances returning to deficit.
** bubble not boom please note.
The economy was growing - we had growth - there are limits to the different ways you can say that. It was an upswing in the economic cycle that in normal times should have led to the running of surpluses not deficits. We had deficits because the government continued to spend money it did not have - and this form a position where it was perfectly right and safe to run surpluses. Its deceitful of Labour to talk about 'austerity' when the main reason the govt has to rein in spending compared to Labours years is because labour massively increased spending in its time when it should have been holding it back.
The point is that the growth was not real - it was just money being spent on ever-more-expensive property and other consumables (almost entirely imported too) - money that was borrowed by the government, by corporations, by banks, by individuals...
Emphasising that the economic growth of the period was due to an unsustainable economic bubble just serves to damn Labour's spending policies further.
Having created such a massive bubble they then went on a massive spending spree. That to win an election and claim falsely that growth had started. To their eternal shame they still refuse to acknowledge that's what they did. As they leftNo 10 andNo 11 they increased the top rate of tax to further screw whoever followed. The actions were appalling and hopefully will keep them far from office for many many years to. Come.
Yeah, Gordon Brown created a massive bubble all around the world. Really? And surely deficit hawks would approve of increased taxes, even though the top rate was still low by recent historical comparison.
Wasn't Gordon Brown and the Labour Party responsible for the "credit crunch" all over the developed world, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Detroit car makers , 22 out of 24 OECD countries going into recession ?
Mr. Wanderer, surely French for Anglo-Saxon is 'le rosbif'?
Nope. Les Rosbif is for us English, and of course Perfidious Albion
I thought you were Pakistani?
He is English and British (and as such has won the lottery of life) but not anglo saxon.
So how did he end up being a Muslim?
What has that got to do with anything?
It is unusual for English people to convert to being Muslims, that is all.
There's this thing called immigration. Sometimes people move country. Afterwards they might have children. Then, their children take on the new nationality but can keep aspects of their parents' culture.
You're welcome.
But if you don't adopt the culture of the country you are born in you are just a foreigner who happens to have been born abroad. If my kids had been born when I lived in Holland or Germany, they would still have been English. It is how you live your life that defines your nationality, as illustrated by Richard Dodd who is clearly English but living abroad. Why people deny who they really are escapes and saddens me.
There has been much talk on here from many about if there is a need for a minimum level of cultural assimilation from immigrants. Yours may have taken the award for the most extreme end of the scale of that particular debate.
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
I'm not a doctor so can't comment, but i doubt there are the staff to allow that level of cut. There is however no incentive for Trusts to stock to the rules because they just fine themselves. The money is supposed to go on doctor training so no prizes for guessing what will happen. Doctors will be rostered over the maximum to create the money for the staff training budget which will be slashed. You can bet your life that if there's a way of gaming the system it will happen.
So despite the fact you are banging on about this non-stop you actually know fuck all about it, you just make assumptions.
And like the Tories and Europe I'll keep on banging on until we have a government not intent on dismantling the NHS.
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
That is outrageous. The only problem with TSE is that he is a Tory !
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
That is outrageous. The only problem with TSE is that he is a Tory !
Mr. Wanderer, surely French for Anglo-Saxon is 'le rosbif'?
Nope. Les Rosbif is for us English, and of course Perfidious Albion
I thought you were Pakistani?
He is English and British (and as such has won the lottery of life) but not anglo saxon.
So how did he end up being a Muslim?
What has that got to do with anything?
It is unusual for English people to convert to being Muslims, that is all.
Thats a load of really ugly bigotry you're gushing.
Er no that's a (now seemingly incorrect) statement of fact that it was unusual for English people to convert to being Muslims. Per my response to Fysics_teacher I stand corrected.
That you think this is ugly bigotry speak volumes. Are you Dawn Butler?
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
I'm not a doctor so can't comment, but i doubt there are the staff to allow that level of cut. There is however no incentive for Trusts to stock to the rules because they just fine themselves. The money is supposed to go on doctor training so no prizes for guessing what will happen. Doctors will be rostered over the maximum to create the money for the staff training budget which will be slashed. You can bet your life that if there's a way of gaming the system it will happen.
So despite the fact you are banging on about this non-stop you actually know fuck all about it, you just make assumptions.
And like the Tories and Europe I'll keep on banging on until we have a government not intent on dismantling the NHS.
So trying to put a seven day service in place is dismantling the NHS?
Might be ham fisted and ill thought through, but if they were trying to dismantle it why would they bother with this dispute? How does throwing another eight billion at it infer they are dismantling it?
I was told something by a census assessor once regarding ethnic classification and how self assessment of ethnic background can change over time with such forms. The example given was an area which had a sizable population of north african arab migrants which had come over during the 60s and 70s, in an area otherwise very lacking in ethnic diversity. However, the most recent census information showed a lot fewer responses listing arab as the ethnic group. Instead, the second and third generations, and even some of the first given the numbers, were listing as white(other).
When you get right down to it ethnicity is pretty silly. Cultural difference is much more key, and is traditionally tied in with ethnicity, but it doesn't have to be.
TSE told me yesterday that my opinions on UK politics were worthless because I live in Italy..I commute to and work in the UK and have several companies registered there.. that all pay taxes.. as I have done for sixty years..I have no idea what he thinks qualifies someone as being English..maybe we all have to live in Walthamstow
But you are not a real Englishman like TSE. Have you considered moving to Tower Hamlets or Bradistan? Perhaps attend a Mosque. That should do the trick.
That is outrageous. The only problem with TSE is that he is a Tory !
Chris A So you wake up this morning with severe chest pains short of breath, sweating, feeling faint but you wont go to Hospital because of something someone called Hunt has said..dont be a pillock..
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
I'm not a doctor so can't comment, but i doubt there are the staff to allow that level of cut. There is however no incentive for Trusts to stock to the rules because they just fine themselves. The money is supposed to go on doctor training so no prizes for guessing what will happen. Doctors will be rostered over the maximum to create the money for the staff training budget which will be slashed. You can bet your life that if there's a way of gaming the system it will happen.
So despite the fact you are banging on about this non-stop you actually know fuck all about it, you just make assumptions.
And like the Tories and Europe I'll keep on banging on until we have a government not intent on dismantling the NHS.
So since we don't, you can get off your hobby horse.
After Corbyn's subs-without-warheads Trident clarification today, it is now obvious how Corbyn will square the circle of the police having a shoot to kill policy against terrorists.
The police will be issued with guns, but no bullets....
I think your point is well made. Corbyn is a pacifist who will give in to terrorism. At its best he will or would be an inadequate who would be unable to deal with the real world as it hit him in the face. We should bear in mind however that the policies he espouses are the ones the Labour membership, ie the Labour Party want him to promote. Corbyn and his cronies accurately reflect the real face of true Labour.
I was just wondering has Corbyn ever done anything like Question Time in his long career? If he doesn't like meeting the media what will he be like when he has to meet members of the general public
I doubt it, but being a nutty backbencher is different from being a minister or shadow. Party Leaders tend not to do QT, except, if the past is followed, a version of it during the general election. Cameron went round didn't he meeting the public when in opposition and I think still does. You would imagine these things would be somewhat filtered and sanitised but from what I have seen they looked pretty unvarnished. I'm not sure if Corbyn has gone out of his comfort zone yet or has plans to. I'm not sure he would go down well in Barrow in Furnace.
Certainly in opposition Cameron did loads of town hall meetings, with genuine audiences rather than party members. I believe he has done a few in government too. I guess it's a good way for a politician to understand the effect of policy in the real world, as well as to hone arguments against non-political people who want more than a soundbite.
Corbyn on the other hand gives the impression that he's never had a serious debate with someone who disagrees with him, he has spent the last 32 years as an MP talking only to Islington communists and not to anyone who lives in the real world. If he can have such a car crash talking to Marr, what's going to happen when Andrew Neil gets hold of him?
I've been a bit busy today. Has Hunt come up with any new whoppers yet? . Oops silly me, he doesn't work at weekends.
Chris, I mentioned this on an earlier thread and Charles said he has seen it too. Is it true that under the new proposals the maximum a junior doctor can work is reduced form 91 hours to 72 hours?
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
I'm not a doctor so can't comment, but i doubt there are the staff to allow that level of cut. There is however no incentive for Trusts to stock to the rules because they just fine themselves. The money is supposed to go on doctor training so no prizes for guessing what will happen. Doctors will be rostered over the maximum to create the money for the staff training budget which will be slashed. You can bet your life that if there's a way of gaming the system it will happen.
So despite the fact you are banging on about this non-stop you actually know fuck all about it, you just make assumptions.
And like the Tories and Europe I'll keep on banging on until we have a government not intent on dismantling the NHS.
So trying to put a seven day service in place is dismantling the NHS?
Might be ham fisted and ill thought through, but if they were trying to dismantle it why would they bother with this dispute? How does throwing another eight billion at it infer they are dismantling it?
Because once the service isn't working the Tories will say they have to be more radical.
Chris A So you wake up this morning with severe chest pains short of breath, sweating, feeling faint but you wont go to Hospital because of something someone called Hunt has said..dont be a pillock..
Interesting.... Guardian and a sub sample of 40. Mmmmmmm.....Well got quite a few to go before they get anywhere near the numbers they killed at Stafford. Did they name that the Stafford Effect or didn't they bother as the wonderful NHS was actually responsible as was the Labour ministers of the time. Then we come to the attempted cover up.
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In this context the P-8 order and Airseeker are valuable far beyond their cost - as a warning that if industry can't shape up, defence orders will go abroad. And will be purely off the shelf - no juicy little programs to stuff it all up (Chinook style).
Yes - although the Ajax vehicles are what has come out of the FRES programme. But as you point out P-8 have been ordered and will be coming into service and Airseeker numbers increased.
The programme for the MoD is viable unlike labours overcommitted pie in the sky.
The programme for the MoD is viable unlike labours overcommitted pie in the sky.
Ajax was the classic example of dump-everything-that-doesn't-work from a a big program.
The savagery with which every request for "special features" for P-8 and Airseeker has been binned has had senior "defense experts" complaining that they have nothing to do on the these programs.
Panelbase should just bugger off and join the Tories!
She has said that Eleanor Laing, Tory MP for Epping Forest and one of three deputy speakers, is picking on ethnic-minority female MPs and blocking them from contributing in Commons debates.
You might think this is a made up story - but its true. (The Times)
I have no reason to believe that toxin will not be just as potent in 2020, 2025, etc etc.... Labour has to convince it will form a majority Govt. - and that requires demolishing the SNP. Alternatively, for Labour to govern in Westminster, they need the independence of Scotland.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/17/oil-price-woes-deepen-as-iran-vows-to-add-500000-barrels-day?CMP=twt_gu
The problem was that Gordon and Ed really believed that they had abolished "Boom & Bust". Rule one in financial markets is that when someone in a position of power starts saying it will never come down, dump and buy canned goods.... You are definitely at the peak then.
I know a lot of Scottish nobility has Norman roots - what language did they speak.
Is Scotland more English than the SNP have been letting on?
But yes, it makes sense for Iran to flood the market since from their point of view, even at $5 a barrel, it is still more than the big fat zero they were getting before.
"Scots is the Anglic language variety spoken in Lowland Scotland and parts of Ulster (where the local dialect is known as Ulster Scots).[7] It is sometimes called Lowland Scots to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic"
Anti-national policies on immigration, defence, foreign affairs, europe, security and multiculturalism are very unpopular.
Party Leaders tend not to do QT, except, if the past is followed, a version of it during the general election.
Cameron went round didn't he meeting the public when in opposition and I think still does. You would imagine these things would be somewhat filtered and sanitised but from what I have seen they looked pretty unvarnished. I'm not sure if Corbyn has gone out of his comfort zone yet or has plans to. I'm not sure he would go down well in Barrow in Furnace.
Corbyn could conceivably pick up places like Croydon Central, Brighton Kempton and Harrow East but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Genuine question, just trying to understand it all.
Sometimes people move country. Afterwards they might have children. Then, their children take on the new nationality but can keep aspects of their parents' culture.
You're welcome.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8039273.stm#butler_dawn
"Shoot to wound" is impractical as aiming for an arm or leg could result in easily missing and hitting a member of the public, as well as risking the life of the officer involved.
What it should really be is "shoot to incapacitate" when life is in immediate danger.
In most instants, this will result in targeting the chest and death to the terrorist.
What the issue is really about is whether Corbyn accepts (and would authorise) that under some circumstances use of lethal force is necessary to protect the public.
I tell you, he was powerful !
That you think this is ugly bigotry speak volumes. Are you Dawn Butler?
Might be ham fisted and ill thought through, but if they were trying to dismantle it why would they bother with this dispute? How does throwing another eight billion at it infer they are dismantling it?
When you get right down to it ethnicity is pretty silly. Cultural difference is much more key, and is traditionally tied in with ethnicity, but it doesn't have to be.
She was working as a volunteer for 8 weeks at a hospital in Nepal.
The right wing press lies about people they dont like
I've watched it three times this weekend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kszLwBaC4Sw
Corbyn on the other hand gives the impression that he's never had a serious debate with someone who disagrees with him, he has spent the last 32 years as an MP talking only to Islington communists and not to anyone who lives in the real world. If he can have such a car crash talking to Marr, what's going to happen when Andrew Neil gets hold of him?