In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
With Brent Crude at $45 a barrel, Scotland's being massively subsidised by the rest of us.
Go ahead and hike up Scottish taxes to make up the loss or Foxtrot Oscar.
How much is a barrel of monkeys or TT deaths or tax avoidance schemes?
What I don't get, is how come John McDonnell at least, and perhaps Jeremy Corbyn as well, weren't thrown out of the Labour Party years ago. No self-respecting social democratic party would tolerate extremist terrorist-apologists like this, over a period of decades.
Why do you think Labour is a social democratic party? I'm sure it has (a rapidly declining number of) social democrats in it, but that's not the same thing. Britain, like every other country, does politics slightly differently. We don't really have Christian Democrats (except arguably Cameron & Osborne!) we have Conservatives, with a greater emphasis on Atlanticism and free trade. We don't have a social democratic party, we have Labour, with a greater emphasis on organised labour and trade unions. Corbyn fitted, and still fits, perfectly well in the Labour party. Which is the problem, when you think about it...
Australia and New Zealand also have a Labour Party, France and Spain Socialist, not Social Democratic, parties. In terms of European Christian Democratic parties, they are only really found now in Germany, Scandinavia and Benelux nations, Forza Italia in Italy, the Popular Party in Spain, the UMP in France and Eastern European right of centre parties tend to be more conservative
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
We do to a point it's just called "harvest festival" and if I recollect celebrated slightly earlier.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
Christ. That cannot be healthy for local democratic accountability can it? I know there are some 100% Tory councils, but 96 out of 96? How can not a single one of the wards not have a non-Labour majority when there are that many wards? Pure chance should have a few hundred weird Tory or LD voters agglomerate in one of them I'd have thought.
Ironically though, Manchester City Council *is* a well run Council, and it is for that reason that the Government has built the first English Devolution settlement around them.
Both the Council Leader and Chief Executive of the Council are respected as forward thinking and people who the Government can 'do business with'.
@NicolaSturgeonThough these by elections described as @theSNP holds, Lab won them on first preferences in 2012 - SNP won both on first preferences tonight
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
Christ. That cannot be healthy for local democratic accountability can it? I know there are some 100% Tory councils, but 96 out of 96? How can not a single one of the wards not have a non-Labour majority when there are that many wards? Pure chance should have a few hundred weird Tory or LD voters agglomerate in one of them I'd have thought.
Ironically though, Manchester City Council *is* a well run Council, and it is for that reason that the Government has built the first English Devolution settlement around them.
Both the Council Leader and Chief Executive of the Council are respected as forward thinking and people who the Government can 'do business with'.
I applaud them then, it seems like it would be easy to descend into internal party farce in such an environment.
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
Christ. That cannot be healthy for local democratic accountability can it? I know there are some 100% Tory councils, but 96 out of 96? How can not a single one of the wards not have a non-Labour majority when there are that many wards? Pure chance should have a few hundred weird Tory or LD voters agglomerate in one of them I'd have thought.
Ironically though, Manchester City Council *is* a well run Council, and it is for that reason that the Government has built the first English Devolution settlement around them.
Both the Council Leader and Chief Executive of the Council are respected as forward thinking and people who the Government can 'do business with'.
Last time I was in Manchester it was a 'nuclear free zone'.
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
Christ. That cannot be healthy for local democratic accountability can it? I know there are some 100% Tory councils, but 96 out of 96? How can not a single one of the wards not have a non-Labour majority when there are that many wards? Pure chance should have a few hundred weird Tory or LD voters agglomerate in one of them I'd have thought.
Ironically though, Manchester City Council *is* a well run Council, and it is for that reason that the Government has built the first English Devolution settlement around them.
Both the Council Leader and Chief Executive of the Council are respected as forward thinking and people who the Government can 'do business with'.
One of the Northern councils was given a telling off by Balls for daring to cooperate with the Tories. He was told where he could go in no uncertain terms.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
What I don't get, is how come John McDonnell at least, and perhaps Jeremy Corbyn as well, weren't thrown out of the Labour Party years ago. No self-respecting social democratic party would tolerate extremist terrorist-apologists like this, over a period of decades.
Why do you think Labour is a social democratic party? I'm sure it has (a rapidly declining number of) social democrats in it, but that's not the same thing. Britain, like every other country, does politics slightly differently. We don't really have Christian Democrats (except arguably Cameron & Osborne!) we have Conservatives, with a greater emphasis on Atlanticism and free trade. We don't have a social democratic party, we have Labour, with a greater emphasis on organised labour and trade unions. Corbyn fitted, and still fits, perfectly well in the Labour party. Which is the problem, when you think about it...
Australia and New Zealand also have a Labour Party, France and Spain Socialist, not Social Democratic, parties. In terms of European Christian Democratic parties, they are only really found now in Germany, Scandinavia and Benelux nations, Forza Italia in Italy, the Popular Party in Spain, the UMP in France and Eastern European right of centre parties tend to be more conservative
Probably so, but it has evolved much since then. It is a curious holiday - not a religious one (although it apparently started that way), and you don't do presents. It's mainly a family get together, and is the largest holiday of the year in terms of travel. Think of Abner Doubleday and baseball and you will get an idea how Thanksgiving evolved the way it did.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
I am certain the Beeb is still resolutely selecting the audience for "balance" - i.e. half Labour half Tory, with a few eccentrics.
Trouble is, the public is now about 60-70% "anti-Corbyn".
BBC Question Time audience are not even remotely balanced, even by your rhetoric,. They are predominantly hand wringing lefties, although in Scotland they ensure that the balance of the audience is anti-Scottish and pro-Loyalist.
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
I am certain the Beeb is still resolutely selecting the audience for "balance" - i.e. half Labour half Tory, with a few eccentrics.
Trouble is, the public is now about 60-70% "anti-Corbyn".
anti-Scottish and pro-Loyalist.
Good.
The longer you confuse 'anti-Scottish' with 'pro-loyalist' the longer it will take you to persuade the 55.....
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
A child was killed in Warrington when the IRA planted a bomb in a waste bin. You may have noticed a slight lack if left luggage boxes at railway stations too. Actually to be honest no. I doubt you notice anything very much.
I wan't commenting on the necessity of the rule.
I was commenting on how it came across to someone who came from a country where there has never been a terrorist incident (at the time) and has still never suffered a successful terrorist incident.
Whether it is right or wrong, it just seems bizarre. It is not comprehensible when you have no reference point.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
I'm pretty sure that only an American could compare a festival like Halloween, which is hundreds of years old, with Black Friday.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
I'm pretty sure that only an American could compare a festival like Halloween, which is hundreds of years old, with Black Friday.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
I'm pretty sure that only an American could compare a festival like Halloween, which is hundreds of years old, with Black Friday.
Err.....Black Friday is BECAUSE of Halloween.
- and I'm a brit as well as an american
Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving. Halloween was a month ago.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
I'm pretty sure that only an American could compare a festival like Halloween, which is hundreds of years old, with Black Friday.
Err.....Black Friday is BECAUSE of Halloween.
- and I'm a brit as well as an american
According to Wiki its because of Thanksgiving
"Black Friday is the day following Thanksgiving Day in the United States"
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
I'm pretty sure that only an American could compare a festival like Halloween, which is hundreds of years old, with Black Friday.
Err.....Black Friday is BECAUSE of Halloween.
- and I'm a brit as well as an american
Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving. Halloween was a month ago.
I apologize, my brain is non-functional. I'm stuffed with food and alcohol - what I meant to say is that Black Friday is because of Thanksgiving, not Halloween.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
The pre 16th century roots of Halloween are pretty much irrelevant. It is a Scottish and Irish festival that the US uses to pretend to be secular. Not that that, in itself is a bad thing.
Additionally Samhain is almost certainly linked to the Sweeny Todd myth given that they are pronounced the same.
Halloween is religion based, and the US and UK have common religions.
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Halloween hasn;t "Caught on". It has always been a major festival. It only exists in the US because it was a major festival in Scotland and Ireland and it remain the same today.
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
Speaking of "US Festivals" don't you have "Black Friday" (and presumably cyber Monday) over there now? What's wrong with that?
The pre 16th century roots of Halloween are pretty much irrelevant. It is a Scottish and Irish festival that the US uses to pretend to be secular. Not that that, in itself is a bad thing.
Additionally Samhain is almost certainly linked to the Sweeny Todd myth given that they are pronounced the same.
What ever its source, it was a setting for one of the finest poems:
In 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt moved up Thanksgiving. Traditionally it had been celebrated on the last Thursday of November, but the nation’s largest retailers contended that there weren’t enough days between Thanksgiving and Christmas to allow everyone to complete their holiday shopping. The holiday now falls on the fourth Thursday, even when there are five in the month.
It now looks like fixing the labour party is a more difficult task than fixing Syria...
I probably missed the debate on here, but was that consensus that Dave has a coherent plan beyond bombing because it makes us feel better and will keep the French happy?
Probably so, but it has evolved much since then. It is a curious holiday - not a religious one (although it apparently started that way), and you don't do presents. It's mainly a family get together, and is the largest holiday of the year in terms of travel. Think of Abner Doubleday and baseball and you will get an idea how Thanksgiving evolved the way it did.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
I have always liked Thanksgiving. Very much a positive festival for family and friends. For some years after returning from the USA my family celebrated it here. Turkey and all.
Worth noting that Mansfield near Selston is now in its fourth continuous term of having an Independent Mayor, though Indies only had the Council for 2 terms.
@NicolaSturgeonThough these by elections described as @theSNP holds, Lab won them on first preferences in 2012 - SNP won both on first preferences tonight
The perils of trying to make sense of single seat by-election under STV.
Comments
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/10-thanksgiving-myths-dispelled/
Thanksgiving is history based (Pilgrims and Indians), and the UK doesn't have that history.
But you do have a rough equivalent in the 'harvest festival'.
Both the Council Leader and Chief Executive of the Council are respected as forward thinking and people who the Government can 'do business with'.
Good night all.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ken-livingstone-says-terrorists-gave-their-lives-in-protest-against-our-invasion-of-iraq-on-question-a6750836.html
Wait until the Mail gets a hold of it.....
Britain Elects @britainelects
Salisbury St Edmund (Wiltshire) result:
CON: 36.0% (+13.1)
LDEM: 22.2% (-20.8)
LAB: 19.7% (+5.2)
GRN: 18.2% (+10.7)
IND: 3.8% (+3.8)
https://vine.co/v/iamVnD9A1Xg
It is still a massively warped world view
The fright they face gets more worrying.
The longer you confuse 'anti-Scottish' with 'pro-loyalist' the longer it will take you to persuade the 55.....
I was commenting on how it came across to someone who came from a country where there has never been a terrorist incident (at the time) and has still never suffered a successful terrorist incident.
Whether it is right or wrong, it just seems bizarre. It is not comprehensible when you have no reference point.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/27/livingstone-blames-blair-for-77-deaths
He really is crosser at Blair than the 7/7 terrorists who 'gave their lives'.....
Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12020095/Former-Mayor-of-London-Ken-Livingstone-blames-Tony-Blair-for-77-bombings.html
It is, perhaps, disappointing that the English media has tried to "import" a US festival into the UK on US terms and replaced Guising with Trick or Treating. I hope Ireland has been less effected. But it is another reason why Scotland needs to cut link with England before the culture of Scotand is completely destroyed.
- and I'm a brit as well as an american
"Black Friday is the day following Thanksgiving Day in the United States"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/holydays/halloween_1.shtml
Additionally Samhain is almost certainly linked to the Sweeny Todd myth given that they are pronounced the same.
http://www.robertburns.org.uk/Assets/Poems_Songs/tamoshanter.htm
(complete with translation)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335820/Outrage-Red-Ken-says-7-7-bombers-died-beliefs.html
In 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt moved up Thanksgiving. Traditionally it had been celebrated on the last Thursday of November, but the nation’s largest retailers contended that there weren’t enough days between Thanksgiving and Christmas to allow everyone to complete their holiday shopping. The holiday now falls on the fourth Thursday, even when there are five in the month.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/business/black-friday-holiday-shopping-2015/why-thanksgiving-is-today?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Jeremy Corbyn faces threat of shadow cabinet resignations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34940728
I probably missed the debate on here, but was that consensus that Dave has a coherent plan beyond bombing because it makes us feel better and will keep the French happy?
tick tock!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/patrick-stewarts-hometown-rugby-league-6905639
Make it so!
If Dave had any sense, he'd put on his best union Jack underpants and get up there, pronto.
The last thing he wants is UKIP actually winning.
http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
They gave their lives so others might die.
The bastards.