@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
The end bit is so true...about having on a pointless comedian who wants to be taken seriously...so who is on tonights programme, oh Matt Forde...I rest my case. A passable political impressionist.
He's a much better representative for the Labour Party than Ken is. Are they going to get two people on every week until the party splits?
Ever since QT have decided having "entertainer" on is a good idea, they have pretty much had two representatives.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
With Brent Crude at $45 a barrel, Scotland's being massively subsidised by the rest of us.
Go ahead and hike up Scottish taxes to make up the loss or Foxtrot Oscar.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Matt Forde is quite impressive - he really ought to stand as an MP.
For us Tories.
He is a Labour Party member and former adviser to them.
Well that's no barrier, half of them are secret Tories, aren't they?
I joke of course, but I must say my father was saying Blair and Labour only won by becoming the Tories 15 years ago. I'd think perhaps he was a Corbynmaniac type this whole time, except I know he's voted for everyone (including OMRLP) over the years.
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
The Nazis were patriotic. Corbyn and Co positively despise this country.
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
The end bit is so true...about having on a pointless comedian who wants to be taken seriously...so who is on tonights programme, oh Matt Forde...I rest my case. A passable political impressionist.
He's a much better representative for the Labour Party than Ken is. Are they going to get two people on every week until the party splits?
Ever since QT have decided having "entertainer" on is a good idea, they have pretty much had two representatives.
It's disgraceful. They never ask people from groups like the Adam Smith Institute who would support Conservative ideas. It is always these people like Matt Forde, who correctly say the Labour Party is not sensible, who are being asked on in a pro-Labour Jezlamo-BBC conspiracy.
Matt Forde is quite impressive - he really ought to stand as an MP.
For us Tories.
He is a Labour Party member and former adviser to them.
Well that's no barrier, half of them are secret Tories, aren't they?
I joke of course, but I must say my father was saying Blair and Labour only won by becoming the Tories 15 years ago. I'd think perhaps he was a Corbynmaniac type this whole time, except I know he's voted for everyone (including OMRLP) over the years.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
Ok, so presumably you're accepting that the counter point of those is that many others will care deeply.
So, that is a constituency that could include
Everyone over 20 Everyone in threatened parts of the UK
I.e. most voters.
I think the IRA did not (for a complicated series of reasons) target targets in Scotland.
However it does have to be said that positioning Labour as the party of ISIS/AlQaeda/IRA is major-league stupid, and if Labour lose OldhamW&R on Tuesday, they'll deserve it IMHO. What are they going to do next, snog the rotting skull of Jimmy Savile?
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
The Nazis were patriotic.
They murdered millions of their own citizens?
Like, that's worse than anything Jeremy Corbyn ever did.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
Dan was widely derided on here.....
Everyone who disagreed with him was basically proven wrong by those that matter.
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
Christ. That cannot be healthy for local democratic accountability can it? I know there are some 100% Tory councils, but 96 out of 96? How can not a single one of the wards not have a non-Labour majority when there are that many wards? Pure chance should have a few hundred weird Tory or LD voters agglomerate in one of them I'd have thought.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
The Nazis were patriotic.
They murdered millions of their own citizens?
Like, that's worse than anything Jeremy Corbyn ever did.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
I believe they pay their own taxes to fund their services
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
The Nazis were patriotic.
They murdered millions of their own citizens?
Like, that's worse than anything Jeremy Corbyn ever did.
The upcoming coup and Corbyn dictatorship will certainly involve mass murder and internment camps. You won't be laughing then.
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
The Nazis were patriotic.
They murdered millions of their own citizens?
Like, that's worse than anything Jeremy Corbyn ever did.
But they did do it patriotically, with flags & anthems & everything.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
I believe they pay their own taxes to fund their services
They need to pay more towards the Carriers. That's Dairs gripe.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
Dan was widely derided on here.....
Everyone who disagreed with him was basically proven wrong by those that matter.
The voters.
Yep. I went to a Telegraph drinks party where I met Dan Hodges, a couple of years before the GE, and asked him about his constant predix of Labour defeat, and Tory majority, when "surely a hung parliament blahblah"
He said, "I've stuck to my prediction and I believe it and if I am wrong I am finished as a pundit".
Hodges got it right, when most of us got it wrong. Kudos. He's made plenty of wrong calls, but on the biggest he was bang on - against the vast consensus. For that alone he has earned due respect. I also think he is very acute on the psychology of the Labour elite and many Labour voters.
He didn't get it right on UKIP...we are still awaiting the naked dash, right?
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
There are still people prepared to give Jeremy and McMao and Ken a fair hearing.
It is his patriotic duty at every turn to tell these people they are idiots.
What I don't get, is how come John McDonnell at least, and perhaps Jeremy Corbyn as well, weren't thrown out of the Labour Party years ago. No self-respecting social democratic party would tolerate extremist terrorist-apologists like this, over a period of decades.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
Dan was widely derided on here.....
Everyone who disagreed with him was basically proven wrong by those that matter.
The voters.
Oh I know - I mocked him mercilessly, even though I think he is a pretty good writer, particularly when he gets away from his obsessive topics, and yet he called many things just right. Doesn't mean he will be again of course, not that I think Corbyn's army are about to sweep all before them, but his obsessive articles are pretty funny, and as bad as things seem right now, I just find it hard to believe Labour really are dead.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
Do you really think Corbyn will last four years.
Probably not. If he's still here in a year, then yes, I do think he will last the distance. If inarguable electoral failings emerge in the coming year (perhaps very soon, even though Oldham talk seems like an expectations game), then he will jump or be pushed. He may want to reshape the Labour party, but I don't think he wants to destroy is to make that happen, I think if he thinks he is doing damage which cannot be reversed easily he will go of his own accord (in part to try to make it easier for a similar successor).
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
Nothing could be finer than to be in Carolina in the morning
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
I believe they pay their own taxes to fund their services
Yes, indeed. To close down one of Dair's stupid comments; our government (therefore taxpayers) fully fund local students (as a grant) to go to UK universities if they promise to return and bring the benefits of that education back to the local economy. And this year we opened our own University here too - a project I am very heavily involved in.
Anyway, I'm at my own General Election count now so more interesting stuff to do than bother with a dribbler of shit like Dair.
I think the IRA did not (for a complicated series of reasons) target targets in Scotland.
Not sure that is true. Certainly precautions against attacks were taken very seriously in my experience
Unfortunately I'm not sure it's false. I know the UVF bombed Glasgow, but that's the other side of the fence. If you can name an IRA/INLA/other Republican attack in Scotland, I am happy to be contradicted.
What I don't get, is how come John McDonnell at least, and perhaps Jeremy Corbyn as well, weren't thrown out of the Labour Party years ago. No self-respecting social democratic party would tolerate extremist terrorist-apologists like this, over a period of decades.
No, can't be, I read on PoliticalBetting comments that the Labour Party was abolished and George Osborne was a saint for giving everybody back 5p on their top rate.
Personally I remain astounded at Dan Hodges ability to continually find the next Labour 'disaster' to be worse than the last, despite declaring the last as bad as it could get. He was pushed putting out Ed is Crap posts every day for three years or so, but managing a Corbyn is crap one every day for four will be even harder after that. Did you know Labour are dead as an opposition? He may have mentioned it once or twice.
Do you really think Corbyn will last four years.
He'll last until the other Labour MPs have the stones to kick him out. Which they never will. Or until the membership place realpolitik above onanistic principle. Which they never will. Or until the unions realise they've birthed a monster. Which they might.
Livingstone was getting moderate applause in Manchester, which seemed not too bad considering — but then you remember this is a council area where Labour holds 100% of the seats, 96 out of 96.
I am certain the Beeb is still resolutely selecting the audience for "balance" - i.e. half Labour half Tory, with a few eccentrics.
Trouble is, the public is now about 60-70% "anti-Corbyn".
David Lammy says he will be voting with Corbyn against airstrikes in Syria on 'This Week'. An outside bet to succeed him?
God please no. The man is a moron.
Well so, arguably is Corbyn, that did not stop him becoming Labour leader. Lammy may be leftwing enough for the membership if he continues in this direction but he was also a Minister under Blair and reasonably charismatic
For some reason that made me laugh... Briefly but it really isn't funny because that's what they think.
Labour are dead, buried forever. Long may they rot in what ever little red book hell they choose to occupy. We are now on the cusp of the long talked about extinction event. Can't come quick enough.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
I believe they pay their own taxes to fund their services
Yes, indeed. To close down one of Dair's stupid comments; our government (therefore taxpayers) fully fund local students (as a grant) to go to UK universities if they promise to return and bring the benefits of that education back to the local economy. And this year we opened our own University here too - a project I am very heavily involved in.
Anyway, I'm at my own General Election count now so more interesting stuff to do than bother with a dribbler of shit like Dair.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
David Lammy says he will be voting with Corbyn against airstrikes in Syria on 'This Week'. An outside bet to succeed him?
God please no. The man is a moron.
Well so, arguably is Corbyn, that did not stop him becoming Labour leader. Lammy may be leftwing enough for the membership if he continues in this direction but he was also a Minister under Blair and reasonably charismatic
All you need to do with Lammy is show his performance on Mastermind on a loop. The man is an idiot. A band-wagon, self-aggrandising, grade a fool.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
Nothing could be finer than to be in Carolina in the morning
I do now think Corbyn will be gone soon. It's Paris that has made the difference. Of course it has only exposed what was there anyway, but on a hugely accelerated timescale.
Lord only knows what the mechanism will be, and how much further damage he'll do to Labour before he's out. A lot, probably.
This has the potential to be a massive story, and it's not good news for Theresa May.
Every single one of the National Crime Agency’s (NCA’s) live investigations and prosecutions are in jeopardy after it launched a sweeping internal inquiry into all its warrants and production orders over fears that they may have been obtained unlawfully.
David Lammy says he will be voting with Corbyn against airstrikes in Syria on 'This Week'. An outside bet to succeed him?
God please no. The man is a moron.
Well so, arguably is Corbyn, that did not stop him becoming Labour leader. Lammy may be leftwing enough for the membership if he continues in this direction but he was also a Minister under Blair and reasonably charismatic
Have you seen the clip from mastermind?
My favourite was:
John Humphries: Who succeeded Henry VIII? David Lammy: Henry VII
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
Nothing could be finer than to be in Carolina in the morning
For some reason that made me laugh... Briefly but it really isn't funny because that's what they think.
Labour are dead, buried forever. Long may they rot in what ever little red book hell they choose to occupy. We are now on the cusp of the long talked about extinction event. Can't come quick enough.
I would argue the Labour brand has not dropped to the depth of the Tories at their worst. The polling (yes yes I know), always shows that people often thought Ed Miliband was utter crap, but Labour brand had heart in the right place.
They are far from dead and buried. 4 more years of Jahadi Jez and McMao and that might be a different story.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner 24% will go to someone else's house 44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal 18% stuffing 7% sweet potato casserole 7% pie 7% ham 7% mashed potatoes 4% green bean casserole 3% cranberry sauce
We do to a point it's just called "harvest festival" and if I recollect celebrated slightly earlier.
Basically it meant I and all the other kids had to take a tin of beans to school and put in the church. It was probably the first food bank system now I reflect on it but was probably following a Tithe church system for food storage for winter instead of tax or something.
Is it me or if the general QT audience thick as mince when it comes to foreign affairs ?
Yes. They are specially selected for that in the same manner as the Big Brother housemates are selected. And of course its not just foreign affairs. But fair doos it may have changed because I do not watch it any more. Its too pathetic for words.
For some reason that made me laugh... Briefly but it really isn't funny because that's what they think.
Labour are dead, buried forever. Long may they rot in what ever little red book hell they choose to occupy. We are now on the cusp of the long talked about extinction event. Can't come quick enough.
I would argue the Labour brand has not dropped to the depth of the Tories at their worst. The polling (yes yes I know), always shows that people often thought Ed Miliband was utter crap, but Labour brand had heart in the right place.
They are far from dead and buried. 4 more years of Jahadi Jez and McMao and that might be a different story.
It will take years for them to recover from the damage of the last few months
Even with a new leader, you have a membership who thought that Corbyn was the right man. They cannot escape that legacy even if they dump him tomorrow.
The stain will take years to fade.
And it is bad for UK politics to have the opposition in such a mess.
What I don't get, is how come John McDonnell at least, and perhaps Jeremy Corbyn as well, weren't thrown out of the Labour Party years ago. No self-respecting social democratic party would tolerate extremist terrorist-apologists like this, over a period of decades.
Why do you think Labour is a social democratic party? I'm sure it has (a rapidly declining number of) social democrats in it, but that's not the same thing. Britain, like every other country, does politics slightly differently. We don't really have Christian Democrats (except arguably Cameron & Osborne!) we have Conservatives, with a greater emphasis on Atlanticism and free trade. We don't have a social democratic party, we have Labour, with a greater emphasis on organised labour and trade unions. Corbyn fitted, and still fits, perfectly well in the Labour party. Which is the problem, when you think about it...
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.
The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.
And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.
HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.
I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.
Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.
Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.
That is my point.
It is 20 years ago.
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
A child was killed in Warrington when the IRA planted a bomb in a waste bin. You may have noticed a slight lack if left luggage boxes at railway stations too. Actually to be honest no. I doubt you notice anything very much.
David Lammy says he will be voting with Corbyn against airstrikes in Syria on 'This Week'. An outside bet to succeed him?
God please no. The man is a moron.
Well so, arguably is Corbyn, that did not stop him becoming Labour leader. Lammy may be leftwing enough for the membership if he continues in this direction but he was also a Minister under Blair and reasonably charismatic
Have you seen the clip from mastermind?
My favourite was:
John Humphries: Who succeeded Henry VIII? David Lammy: Henry VII
I just watched it on youtube. It's cringingly bad.
For some reason that made me laugh... Briefly but it really isn't funny because that's what they think.
Labour are dead, buried forever. Long may they rot in what ever little red book hell they choose to occupy. We are now on the cusp of the long talked about extinction event. Can't come quick enough.
I would argue the Labour brand has not dropped to the depth of the Tories at their worst. The polling (yes yes I know), always shows that people often thought Ed Miliband was utter crap, but Labour brand had heart in the right place.
They are far from dead and buried. 4 more years of Jahadi Jez and McMao and that might be a different story.
Tories at their worse? Worse than this......? when was that then?
For some reason that made me laugh... Briefly but it really isn't funny because that's what they think.
Labour are dead, buried forever. Long may they rot in what ever little red book hell they choose to occupy. We are now on the cusp of the long talked about extinction event. Can't come quick enough.
I would argue the Labour brand has not dropped to the depth of the Tories at their worst. The polling (yes yes I know), always shows that people often thought Ed Miliband was utter crap, but Labour brand had heart in the right place.
They are far from dead and buried. 4 more years of Jahadi Jez and McMao and that might be a different story.
It will take years for them to recover from the damage of the last few months
Even with a new leader, you have a membership who thought that Corbyn was the right man. They cannot escape that legacy even if they dump him tomorrow.
The stain will take years to fade.
And it is bad for UK politics to have the opposition in such a mess.
Absolutely agree with the last statement. I am not, never have been and I can't imagine ever will be a member of any political party, but I believe we need strong governance and that includes a sensible, mature, thoughtful opposition. We didn't really have that under Miliband, and we certainly don't under Corbyn.
What I don't get, is how come John McDonnell at least, and perhaps Jeremy Corbyn as well, weren't thrown out of the Labour Party years ago. No self-respecting social democratic party would tolerate extremist terrorist-apologists like this, over a period of decades.
Why do you think Labour is a social democratic party? I'm sure it has (a rapidly declining number of) social democrats in it, but that's not the same thing. Britain, like every other country, does politics slightly differently. We don't really have Christian Democrats (except arguably Cameron & Osborne!) we have Conservatives, with a greater emphasis on Atlanticism and free trade. We don't have a social democratic party, we have Labour, with a greater emphasis on organised labour and trade unions. Corbyn fitted, and still fits, perfectly well in the Labour party. Which is the problem, when you think about it...
Australia and New Zealand also have a Labour Party, France and Spain Socialist, not Social Democratic, parties. In terms of European Christian Democratic parties, they are only really found now in Germany, Scandinavia and Benelux nations, Forza Italia in Italy, the Popular Party in Spain, the UMP in France and Eastern European right of centre parties tend to be more conservative
David Lammy says he will be voting with Corbyn against airstrikes in Syria on 'This Week'. An outside bet to succeed him?
God please no. The man is a moron.
Well so, arguably is Corbyn, that did not stop him becoming Labour leader. Lammy may be leftwing enough for the membership if he continues in this direction but he was also a Minister under Blair and reasonably charismatic
Have you seen the clip from mastermind?
My favourite was:
John Humphries: Who succeeded Henry VIII? David Lammy: Henry VII
Yes, that was the classic but as George W Bush showed you don't need to be Stephen Hawking to win an election
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For us Tories.
Go ahead and hike up Scottish taxes to make up the loss or Foxtrot Oscar.
But isn't it remarkable that he really now does sound like he would be more comfortable with us Tories.
Oh.
I joke of course, but I must say my father was saying Blair and Labour only won by becoming the Tories 15 years ago. I'd think perhaps he was a Corbynmaniac type this whole time, except I know he's voted for everyone (including OMRLP) over the years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-32664390
https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/669897731515793408
However it does have to be said that positioning Labour as the party of ISIS/AlQaeda/IRA is major-league stupid, and if Labour lose OldhamW&R on Tuesday, they'll deserve it IMHO. What are they going to do next, snog the rotting skull of Jimmy Savile?
Like, that's worse than anything Jeremy Corbyn ever did.
Everyone who disagreed with him was basically proven wrong by those that matter.
The voters.
SNP WIN #rosythbyelection
National anthem? Bad
Mao? Good for witty banter
Mental illness? Fair game
7/7/ bombings? Our fault.
This IS going well!
Neil had to dress down Lammy in the supposedly uncontroversial 'news of the week' section.
Now they have the humourless CND head.
It is his patriotic duty at every turn to tell these people they are idiots.
They say it's about giving thanks, food, family, and football.
Surprise, surprise, Yahoo Food has done a poll on it -
44% will host a Thanksgiving dinner
24% will go to someone else's house
44% of millennials will serve ham instead of turkey
43% say turkey is their favorite part of the meal
18% stuffing
7% sweet potato casserole
7% pie
7% ham
7% mashed potatoes
4% green bean casserole
3% cranberry sauce
Next Labour leader odds.... pic.twitter.com/kDdItAiSt9
Anyway, I'm at my own General Election count now so more interesting stuff to do than bother with a dribbler of shit like Dair.
Jonathan Watson @C_JWatson 2 mins2 minutes ago
BREAKING NEWS #snp win #dunfnorth byelection
Britain Elects @britainelects 6m6 minutes ago
SNP HOLD Rosyth (Fife).
Britain Elects @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
SNP HOLD Dunfermline North (Fife).
If Labour have not dropped an absolute clanger by say 6 pm tomorrow. could you kindly repost your comment.
I thank you :-)
Did I hear Lammy correctly ?
Selston Independent HOLD Selston (Ashfield).
Or until the membership place realpolitik above onanistic principle. Which they never will.
Or until the unions realise they've birthed a monster. Which they might.
Words fail me.
SNP: 43.5% (+11.9)
LAB: 29.6% (-18.7)
CON: 12.5% (+5.9)
LDEM: 9.5% (-4.1)
GRN: 2.6% (+2.6)
UKIP: 2.4%
Scot Tory surge.
SNP: 45.2% (+9.4)
LAB: 34.5% (-13.2)
CON: 9.1% (+3.3)
LDEM: 3.6% (-3.5)
UKIP: 3.3% (+0.7)
IND: 2.5% (+2.5)
GRN: 1.9%
Don't get me started on places called "Whitchurch". There are at least six...
Half labour men half labour women
Labour are dead, buried forever. Long may they rot in what ever little red book hell they choose to occupy. We are now on the cusp of the long talked about extinction event. Can't come quick enough.
Lord only knows what the mechanism will be, and how much further damage he'll do to Labour before he's out. A lot, probably.
Every single one of the National Crime Agency’s (NCA’s) live investigations and prosecutions are in jeopardy after it launched a sweeping internal inquiry into all its warrants and production orders over fears that they may have been obtained unlawfully.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomwarren/the-national-crime-agency-is-in-chaos-over-unlawful-raids
My favourite was:
John Humphries: Who succeeded Henry VIII?
David Lammy: Henry VII
They are far from dead and buried. 4 more years of Jahadi Jez and McMao and that might be a different story.
Basically it meant I and all the other kids had to take a tin of beans to school and put in the church. It was probably the first food bank system now I reflect on it but was probably following a Tithe church system for food storage for winter instead of tax or something.
They are specially selected for that in the same manner as the Big Brother housemates are selected.
And of course its not just foreign affairs. But fair doos it may have changed because I do not watch it any more. Its too pathetic for words.
Even with a new leader, you have a membership who thought that Corbyn was the right man. They cannot escape that legacy even if they dump him tomorrow.
The stain will take years to fade.
And it is bad for UK politics to have the opposition in such a mess.
Actually to be honest no. I doubt you notice anything very much.