Well I never, Chairman McMao, backed the IRA along with his mate Jahadi Jez. What a pair. The only problem is, are the media firing the muck too early? If they actually get through all this, they will have used all this stuff up, and it will be dismissed as a bit of a joke.
Imagine instead if the Times was digging up this stuff during a GE campaign.
I could get upset about it. People close to me have suffered at IRA hands. But, what's the point? McDonnell is filth, and we've always known that he's filth.
But that's crucial tho. People despise politicians as venal, corrupt, lying, inept, blah blah, but they don't usually regard politicians as evil, traitorous FILTH. There is a supposition that, on the whole, as long as their duckhouses are painted, MPs will act in the interest of the British nation and people - I mean, why on earth should they not?
But Corbyn and McDonnell ARE now seen as crossing that line, as being astonishing and repulsive scumbags who want our enemies to win. A voter with an IQ of 54 will be sensing this mood, and responding. And this reflexive loathing of the Labour leadership will, I predict, be most visceral amongst the patriotic white working classes.
The Corbynite middle classes will somehow find a way to explain away their anxieties, the less-well-off will not.
It's an open goal for UKIP and maybe the Tories.
I think you've got this in one.
For the WWC, this flim-flam from the leadership about not wanted to bomb Da'esh in Syria combined with unbelievably poor Islington-ite leadership stances on immigration could be the 'Better together' moment that leads to Labour losing the Urban north like they lost Scotland in May.....
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.
Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
Not sure about watching it. I love the book but with very few exceptions Philip K Dick has not translated well to the screen.
Bladerunner is a spectacular exception.
Total Recall is huge fun too.
Yep, they are the two I had in mind... but we can remember if for you, wholesale was a little different from the Verhoeven classic.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
I agree with Corbyn in respect of the non intervention in Syria.
I don't agree with Corbyn's pacifism per se which is based on simplistic nonsense. But when you have the Turks, Iranians, Islamicist freedom fighters. Hezbollah, Assad army, Assad militia, Russians, Turks, Kurds, US and French in there with no endgame, many fighting each other, I can't quite see the point in our six operational bombers getting involved. No-one would notice the role of 6 RFA fighters anyway because of the nihilistic carnage going on.
@MattSingh_: Multiple Labour sources now suggesting that #OldhamWest & Royton is now too close to call...
As I've said on PB, the best result for Labour is a dramatic loss to UKIP, so the unions and MPs finally discover the cullions to ditch Corbyn and McDonnell. The IRA stuff is beyond poisonous, and will kill Labour by itself, quite apart from Maogaffe, etc.
Any kind of win will give the Corbynites an excuse to persevere, despite the apocalypse that clearly awaits.
Nick Palmer. Jesus C. To think Nick once commanded a measure of respect on this forum.
That seems a pretty reasonable distinction. One of my problems with Corbyn is one of the things his supporters like about him, and that's his touted inflexibility. He has his views, very passionate and very simple and straightforward. He might well work out to be right on occasion. But my being generally wary of too much ideological thinking, he seems to form opinions automatically, never questioning the bases of those automatic positions.
@DAaronovitch: The shadow cabinet agrees to go and consult before taking a position on Syria, so the leader then goes and takes a position on Syria. Natch.
Britain Elects @britainelects 21s21 seconds ago Recount in Rochford, which the Conservatives are defending. Understand Labour are close, if not ahead.
@DAaronovitch: The shadow cabinet agrees to go and consult before taking a position on Syria, so the leader then goes and takes a position on Syria. Natch.
@faisalislam: So Corbyn emailed the PLP letter against intervention from his train after senior shadow Cabinet ministers praised Cameron's case for action
View 1 new Tweet Ladbrokes Politics @LadPolitics now4 seconds ago Odds of Corbyn being replaced as leader this year cut from 10/1 to 8/1. #bbcqt Embedded image permalink
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.
Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
Not sure about watching it. I love the book but with very few exceptions Philip K Dick has not translated well to the screen.
Bladerunner is a spectacular exception.
Total Recall is huge fun too.
He's the weirdest writer. Bladerunner and Total Recall are interesting and fun, respectively, but I don't think they really captured what he was trying to say.
Britain Elects @britainelects 21s21 seconds ago Recount in Rochford, which the Conservatives are defending. Understand Labour are close, if not ahead.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
Yep, they are the two I had in mind... but we can remember if for you, wholesale was a little different from the Verhoeven classic.
Honourable mention to a scanner darkly.
Well that's the trick with adapting Dick, buy the rights and then film a different story. I can't imagine novels like The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch or Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said being adapted successfully.
I genuinely believe you here which is worrying- politics is about a battle of ideas. Mostly you just think your opponents are just plain wrong, but not evil.
I don't trust the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell. I really do not. It is really worrying that these kind of people have taken hold of a mainstream political party in the UK.
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
Labour are led by wicked people.
Quite why Nick P voted for them is a mystery.
Yes. I wasn't trying to be snide. They are nasty people.
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.
Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
Not sure about watching it. I love the book but with very few exceptions Philip K Dick has not translated well to the screen.
Bladerunner is a spectacular exception.
Total Recall is huge fun too.
He's the weirdest writer. Bladerunner and Total Recall are interesting and fun, respectively, but I don't think they really captured what he was trying to say.
Total recall didn't even try to...
I think the longer format of TV may help with this for the man in the high castle.
Ian Austin @IanAustinMP 2m2 minutes ago Ken Livingstone just blamed Tony Blair for London bombings. Total disgrace. The people responsible are the terrorists. I think it's shameful
Ian Austin @IanAustinMP 2m2 minutes ago Ken Livingstone just blamed Tony Blair for London bombings. Total disgrace. The people responsible are the terrorists. I think it's shameful
I said that the Ed Stone wouldn't make the top 10 Labour cock-ups of 2015, the way Labour have been going the last week or so it will fall out of the top 50 before Christmas.
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
The phrase "gave their lives" was pretty sickening
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
At this rate, George Galloway will be rejoining the Labour Party and getting a prime job.
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
I've just watched the first episode of The Man In the High Castle on Amazon Prime.
Excellent show. One of the leading Nazis reminded me of McDonnell.
It's very good.
I've never read the book, so I don't know how it compares. It was very interesting to see the comparative sympathy to the Japanese (which is possibly accurate) while both states are still exceptionally racist.
It will be very interesting to see how they move into Season Two, I read something about how they should incorporate other concepts from Dicks novels around the same time which might be linked to his philosphy and that would make a lot of sense.
But whatever happens, the next Season will be worth a try. Excellent stuff.
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
The phrase "gave their lives" was pretty sickening
I don't just want the present Labour leadership defeated, I want them ARRESTED.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
Underwood, Hefin Not noted 269 45.44% Williams, Alan Plaid Cymru 168 28.38% Parry, Michael Independent 106 17.91% Pollitt, Peta Merrian The Voice of Gwynedd 49 8.28%
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
True colours. Sadly, this is what they think, what they believe.
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.
The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.
And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.
HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.
I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.
Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.
Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.
That is my point.
It is 20 years ago.
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
@krishgm: Did I mishear or did Ken Livingstone just say the 7/7 bombers "gave their lives...in protest" against Iraq war ? #bbcqt
I saw it too. Ken's eyes positively glistened as he remembered the poor Jihadis who "gave their lives" to kill Londoners with suicide bombs. Just astonishing.
The phrase "gave their lives" was pretty sickening
I don't just want the present Labour leadership defeated, I want them ARRESTED.
I'm reminded of the bit of the book series of A Game of Thrones where Jaime muses "Father, all your dogs have gone quite mad" after witnessing endless atrocities.
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
Gavin Shuker @gavinshuker 3m3 minutes ago Gavin Shuker Retweeted Krishnan Guru-Murthy The 7/7 bombers didn't give their lives; they took the lives of others. What is happening to my party?
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.
The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.
And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.
HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.
I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.
Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.
Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.
That is my point.
It is 20 years ago.
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
Ok, so presumably you're accepting that the counter point of those is that many others will care deeply.
So, that is a constituency that could include
Everyone over 20 Everyone in threatened parts of the UK
@Mr_Eugenides: Comes to something when the Times reveals that the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer actively supported the IRA and we all just go, “duh“.
I agree. It was amusing at first, then it was shocking now, as you say, it's just "duh", which is a bit concerning I think
We should be outraged, as should any sensible lefty. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is led by a cabal of sinister, lying, quasi-Fascist, entirely traitorous c*nts. They are absolutely the opposite of pacifists, they love armed struggle as long as the bombs and bullets are aimed at Israel, the USA, the UK, and the West, in that general order, but who cares as long as westerners suffer.
That is what they think. The second major political party in the UK.
Just a bunch of c*nts.
Yes but a c*nt to you, any anyone around at the time, is not necessarily a c*nt to everyone.
The IRA are now 20 years in the past. to most people under 30, they are not only irrelevant but their past behaviour is not toxic in the way it was to anyone who lived through their campaign in any place where the campaign was relevant.
And remember, in lots of the UK, it was not relevant. Nowhere in Wales or Scotland was attacked by the IRA. Huge swathes of England were not attacked by the IRA. They are, indeed a rather nasty murder gang. But their relevance in 2015 is not really that strong.
HIs Islamist views are far more toxic with far more penetration. That's the petard to hoist him on.
Rubbish I am afraid. The fear created by IRA bombing campaigns persisted until the mid-90s.
I visited London maybe 10 times before I was in my teens in the noughties. The IRA was always the threat everyone was worried about.
Wales is very near to Birmingham. Liverpool. Manchester etc.
Just because someone didn't pick on your back yard doesn't mean they are not HATED by the vast majority of the public.
That is my point.
It is 20 years ago.
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
The Second World War was 70 years ago... does that mean we've forgotten about the dangers of National Socialism?
@skynewsniall: Sometimes Question Time makes me want to twat my TV with a hammer. If I ever do my insurance company will point out it's still my fault, Ken
Conservative gain Salisbury St Edmund & Milford from Liberal Democrat.
Wiltshire Conservatives going from strength to strength at the moment. The Council leader was recently made a Peer as well.
21 LD seats remain up for grabs
Labour are still nowhere in the county though. Doubled from 2 to 4 in 2013, which granted is better than Cornwall had for a time (1 out of something like 120), but those 4 are all in Salisbury city and its environs, so it's LDs, Indys or the Tories elsewhere (UKIP the only opposition in a lot of the rural seats, literally in many cases - and 6 seats were uncontested Tory wins - but if they didn't break through in 2013 I'm not sure they will from now on), so I think the LDs should be able to hold on to a fair number still.
And actually it's 20 LD seats now I believe, with tonight's loss.
@skynewsniall: Sometimes Question Time makes me want to twat my TV with a hammer. If I ever do my insurance company will point out it's still my fault, Ken
@ariehkovler: Tomorrow's Labour stories:McDonnell supporting IRA bombs, Ken justifying 7/7 and Corbyn being soft on ISIS. Labour finally has a message.
I guess being the Nazi Party has a certain niche appeal.
The end bit is so true...about having on a pointless comedian who wants to be taken seriously...so who is on tonights programme, oh Matt Forde...I rest my case. A passable political impressionist.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
@skynewsniall: Sometimes Question Time makes me want to twat my TV with a hammer. If I ever do my insurance company will point out it's still my fault, Ken
Maybe there should be a special clause for this eventuality.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
That's all bollocks. Every part of that is untrue.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
The end bit is so true...about having on a pointless comedian who wants to be taken seriously...so who is on tonights programme, oh Matt Forde...I rest my case. A passable political impressionist.
He's a much better representative for the Labour Party than Ken is. Are they going to get two people on every week until the party splits?
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
In other election news tonight, I'm at the Gibraltar General Election count.
It's looking like the expected GSLP triumph with the exit poll showing a landslide win for GSLP-Liberals: 72% for GSLP-Liberals, 28% for GSD.
Aren't all the Gibraltar parties (varying degrees of) Lefties, though?
Yes, the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party is going to win.
The Social Democrats used to be centre-right under Sir Peter Caruana but he was succeeded by Daniel Feetham who used to lead the now defunct Labour Party. They are soft left now.
The soft-right PDP folded after the last election after they won no MPs. So I'm politically homeless.
They all want to stay British though, which is the main thing
And why not.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
Most of those speaking on that Gibralter broadcast spoke with British accents and seemed to be expats anyway
Whether they are Gibraltar citizens or British citizens they still pay NO tax to the UK exchequer, get full cover from UK Taxpayers for their defence, get significant subsidies for UK Universities, etc, etc. etc.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
It's only fair. After all, we gave Scotland the choice
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For the WWC, this flim-flam from the leadership about not wanted to bomb Da'esh in Syria combined with unbelievably poor Islington-ite leadership stances on immigration could be the 'Better together' moment that leads to Labour losing the Urban north like they lost Scotland in May.....
Honourable mention to a scanner darkly.
We pay for their security.
They pay no tax.
Cushtie.
@KateVotesLabour @MichaelPDeacon @TodJSullivan there's also a memorial in Oldham to victims of the M62 coach bombing in 1974.
Which politician will go to see it first.
The shadow cabinet agrees to go and consult before taking a position on Syria, so the leader then goes and takes a position on Syria. Natch.
Recount in Rochford, which the Conservatives are defending. Understand Labour are close, if not ahead.
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@britainelects: Labour GAIN Rochford (Rochford District) from Conservative.
I think the longer format of TV may help with this for the man in the high castle.
I may give it a go...
Ken Livingstone just blamed Tony Blair for London bombings. Total disgrace. The people responsible are the terrorists. I think it's shameful
http://youtu.be/jUTH7TDqp48
"If we hadn't invaded Iraq, those four men would not have gone out and killed 52 Londoners. We know that."
Newport is an Indy hold
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2015/nov/25/george-galloway-if-i-was-jeremy-corbyn-id-want-me-to-be-london-mayor
See the previous "This week" for details
Independent GAIN Pwllheli South (Gwynedd) from Llais Gwynedd
I've never read the book, so I don't know how it compares. It was very interesting to see the comparative sympathy to the Japanese (which is possibly accurate) while both states are still exceptionally racist.
It will be very interesting to see how they move into Season Two, I read something about how they should incorporate other concepts from Dicks novels around the same time which might be linked to his philosphy and that would make a lot of sense.
But whatever happens, the next Season will be worth a try. Excellent stuff.
What do you think?
Conservative GAIN Salisbury St Edmund & Milford (Wiltshire) from Liberal Democrat.
Underwood, Hefin Not noted 269 45.44%
Williams, Alan Plaid Cymru 168 28.38%
Parry, Michael Independent 106 17.91%
Pollitt, Peta Merrian The Voice of Gwynedd 49 8.28%
Sadly, this is what they think, what they believe.
He's one of the finest 20th century writers.
It is 20 years ago.
I was in London a few times in the late 90s and it was still very focuseed on potential IRA terrorism. I found it laughable, mainly because the whole thing was beyond my comprehension. (Especially the whole "just drop rubbish in the street because bins are too dangerous").
That's my point. Anyone under 20 doesnt care about the IRA and lots of people from non threatened parts of the UK dont care regardless of age.
Labour is a party that has gone quite mad.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.121439788
Never tire of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tUqRBiMVo
Gavin Shuker Retweeted Krishnan Guru-Murthy
The 7/7 bombers didn't give their lives; they took the lives of others. What is happening to my party?
So, that is a constituency that could include
Everyone over 20
Everyone in threatened parts of the UK
I.e. most voters.
https://twitter.com/INTHENOWRT/status/669658746021261312
And actually it's 20 LD seats now I believe, with tonight's loss.
All Crown dependencies should be given a choice, much like France gave their colonies. Become part of the state or leave. No more subsidies.
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/669924409172434944
https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/670017292906967040
Con 545
Lab 320
Green 52
UKIP 37
Lib dem 38
Con hold