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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,444
    Cromwell said:

    The electorate are tolerant but they will not tolerate a threat to national security and that is how the Tories are going to present him ...the Panorama expose is just a mere hint of what is to come ...Corbyn is just too old and set in his ways to ever change , even if he wished to ..he's just two dimensional , too ''authentic '' too much convictions ...I expect him to be forced to resign within a few months

    You mean like WMD's or a couple of toerags threatening us from thousands of miles away. LOL.
    Hard to believe the armchair right wing philosophers on here predicting his doom , a good laugh though.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,706
    edited September 2015

    Jonathan said:

    PB spends a good proportion of it's time complaining about careerist PPE clones in smart but empty suits dominating politics.

    Then the moment something different crops up, it complains about the lack of said smart empty suit.

    The PPE clones in suits are a symptom, not the disease itself. Corbyn in a suit would still fail but his refusal to fit the image of a politician will reinforce the negative opinion of people who want and expect politicians to look like, well, politicians.
    I think he has to double down and continue to be himself, within reason and civility. It would be impolite to turn up at the Cenotaph in a vest so I'm sure he won't, but in general people who feel negative about anti-politicians will not be impressed if he starts to dress like an ambitious SPAD.

    That said, one has to draw the line somewhere. There was a period early in the 1997 Parliament when I was seriously in the red for family reasons and economised on clothes etc. I remember Lindsay Hoyle, who isn't really a fashion idol, taking me to one side and saying sorry mate - personal austerity is good but you're overdoing it a bit, I can recommend you someone who'll fix that hole in your shoe cheaply. :-)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    malcolmg said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    Corbyn is unpatriotic. The hard left does not see the world as a collection of nations. It sees it only in terms of class.

    Patriotism is not a virtue. It is simply an extension of the morally wicked practice of preferring one's own children to other people's.

    I agree it's not a virtue, but it is a commonly-held feeling, and generally a very positive one - except when it develops into nationalism. Corbyn doesn't feel it and is not capable of pretending to. His world view is very different to most people's.

    Loving one's children is not morally wicked, it is an essential part of the continuation of the species. It doesn't just involve partiality to ones own offspring either, it involves taking responsibility for them, nurturing them and at times chastising them, ensuring they achieve their full potential. The same is true of patriotism. Your attitude shows exactly why leftism is a disease on the body politic.
    How is "the same true of patriotism"? Are politicians parents and voters children?

    Patriotism is an extension of kinship. Decent people care for their kin, and want to hand on a decent place to live to their issue.
    Please explain why that is not a racist remark. Or perhaps you're like Da'esh - you think your own people better than others.

    Why is the left against Globalisation?
    Because it sucks
    £4Bn of Scotch exports pa would suggest you are talking mince.
  • Mr. Jessop, good quality analysis of the sartorial requirements of the zombie apocalypse.

    Ever played The Last Of Us? I realise you probably have sod all time on your hands right now, but it's a fantastically good game [arguably the best ever made].

    One day, when the kids are away for the night and I don't have any urgent DIY that needs doing, then I may get the chance to sit down and play that game.
    From what I've seen of it, it looks right up my street.
    *The last game I had the time to sit down and finish was Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Have you been watching the Ultimate Challenge [I think that's the title] on BBC2?

    Those volunteers really do like punishment.

    Mr. Jessop, you've failed to address the substantive point. Would donkey jackets be appropriate for a zombie apocalypse?

    The shoulder padding might stop chaffing when using a shoulder-mounted RPG, and the elbow pads would also be more comfortable when shooting from a prone position.

    And the bulk of the jacket could hide lots of spare weapons and ammo. So, for winter, it'd be good.
  • Mr. Jessop, good quality analysis of the sartorial requirements of the zombie apocalypse.

    Ever played The Last Of Us? I realise you probably have sod all time on your hands right now, but it's a fantastically good game [arguably the best ever made].

    No, but I've heard good things about it. But as you say, I have precious little time even to play Elite, which is my game of choice atm.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.
  • Beverley C..Maybe she has been trying to get onto the local Labour Party committee
  • Plato said:
    Bizzare article by Fraser. Labour's ritualistic self-destruction holds no policy lessons for the Conservatives political course. Other than the Tories must stay competent and professional, continue with their manifesto, avoid hubris and sneering and jeering too much.

    But this is part of the reason why I haven't been cheering on Conservatives who voted for Corbyn: be careful what you wish for.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122
    Nick- when I helped out in Broxtowe you were wearing an exceptionally nice suit. Even after you got drenched the suit managed to be impervious to it all.

    Jonathan said:

    PB spends a good proportion of it's time complaining about careerist PPE clones in smart but empty suits dominating politics.

    Then the moment something different crops up, it complains about the lack of said smart empty suit.

    The PPE clones in suits are a symptom, not the disease itself. Corbyn in a suit would still fail but his refusal to fit the image of a politician will reinforce the negative opinion of people who want and expect politicians to look like, well, politicians.
    I think he has to double down and continue to be himself, within reason and civility. It would be impolite to turn up at the Cenotaph in a vest so I'm sure he won't, but in general people who feel negative about anti-politicians will not be impressed if he starts to dress like an ambitious SPAD.

    That said, one has to draw the line somewhere. There was a period early in the 1997 Parliament when I was seriously in the red for family reasons and economised on clothes etc. I remember Lindsay Hoyle, who isn't really a fashion idol, taking me to one side and saying sorry mate - personal austerity is good but you're overdoing it a bit, I can recommend you someone who'll fix that hole in your shoe cheaply. :-)
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Ms Proudman makes an interesting distinction. Linkedin for professional purposes, Facebook for social things.

    Her point is valid, LinkedIn is supposed to be for establishing business networks and commercial partnerships, but all I ever got from it was recruitment companies and multi-level marketers trying to get me to "connect" to their business. The number of genuine connections was drowned out by the noise.

    I joined it way back in the early 2000s when it seemed to be useful but about 2 or 3 years ago I had had enough and deleted my account. These days, it is a waste of space like most social media.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited September 2015
    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited September 2015
    As long as people are clean generally, and exercise sensibly I couldn't care less about what they wear. I guess that's why I could never be a politician, or many other things.
    Maybe this shows my ignorance, but did his "donkey jacket" have a patch on one shoulder for hod carrying? That would have added to its utility.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122
    My wife came home after a management change, complaining that the new boss wore cheap, plastic shoes. Sure enough he turned out to be a disaster and she left shortly after.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

  • On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
    Any form of stout, and preferably waterproof, boot will do.
    Timberland are a good solid choice.

    I've currently got a good pair of North Face walking shoe that'll do at a pinch.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Beverley C..Maybe she has been trying to get onto the local Labour Party committee

    :) I hope she finds some kindred spirits there because apparently LinkedIn is not the place....
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    I agree. Satin is far superior ....

  • Plato..Silk..I was thinking there might just be some Fashionistas lurking deep within his entourage..of both sexes.. maybe for the occasional swish around the miners lamp lit darkened bedroom..one must be egalitarian..
  • Mr. Barber, must admit I've never heard of that. Anyway, I do recommend you play it.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    tyson said:

    My wife came home after a management change, complaining that the new boss wore cheap, plastic shoes. Sure enough he turned out to be a disaster and she left shortly after.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    The prosecution rests M'Lud ..... :):)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Me neither. The odd idiot in the 80/90s but not in years since.

    BTW - did you see the Louis Louboutin docu on More4? Now those are shoes.

    Plato said:

    She's been marvellously monstered by the Mail today - serves her right.

    I read that article and I came across this bit near the bottom: "... in a blog on the left-wing website Left Foot Forward, Ms Proudman wrote: 'The crux of the matter is that men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman's clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter."

    I find that view of the world completely alien. Perhaps, due to her work, she sees the worst side of humanity, but most men I have come across are not even remotely close to fitting that profile.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited September 2015
    I prefer desert boots - softer than Martens and more stylish.

    Does anyone wear Chelsea boots nowadays? Personally I think they're hideous - but there were the in male footware in the 70s.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122
    edited September 2015
    Anyway, calling our Punters out there.....if Jowell wins the London nomination, what would you suggest? Would it be worth a shifty late punt on Yvette?

    When I was walking Trosky this morning it occurred to me that there could be a silent majority in the Labour membership. And all the fascination with Corbyn could have hardened them (under the radar of the polls), much like the SNP meme worked for the Tories.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    Beverley C..Satin may be made from silk. but pure silk comes from the hardworking and underprivileged silk worms and their industrial endeavours must be appreciated and encouraged until the proletariat demand enough and stop their exploitation by the global conglomerates and capitalist masters and cease production altogether... gather ye silk worms whilst ye may..then they all die of course..but justice will be served..
  • Cheap shoes really are a false economy, a decent, moderately expensive pair will last for years, requiring occasional re-soling and heeling.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122
    I've been wearing flip flops since May. I drive in bare feet. It'll be a shock to the system to have to resort to proper foot wear come winter.
    Plato said:

    I prefer desert boots - softer than Martens and more stylish.

    Does anyone wear Chelsea boots nowadays? Personally I think they're hideous - but there were the in male footware in the 70s.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Satin is a total bugger to tailor though. The way the bits slip about and refuse to move as the fabric has such a direction.

    I gave in decades ago - handstitching was the only answer.

    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    I agree. Satin is far superior ....

  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Here's a good way to go:

    http://tinyurl.com/qzg6k8j
  • malcolmg said:

    I must be a terrible person. I'm fiercely patriotic and in a zombie apocalypse, I'd trip someone else's kids up, so that mine could escape!

    On topic. Corbyn will only be a disaster for Labour if the Blairites and centre left decide to cause problems. Of course he's unelectable, but it must be possible for the PLP to grit their teeth and work with him, and tread water to get past 2020 and then elect someone more creditable.
    It will be difficult. The press will slaughter him, and PMQs will be tasty. I just hope the Southam Observer wing of the party can pick up the pieces after 2020, or before if it all implodes early.

    Who knows what will happen, most people are really hacked off with politician's and it is not inconceivable that lots of the people will take the hump with the Tories as they go ever more right wing. As we have seen with others you can be rank rotten and still make PM, the public are fickle and people are unsettled.
    Who would you define as being seen to be rank rotten and be elected PM by the public?

    Blair and Cameron were not seen up front as rank rotten. Blair maybe now but in 1997 he was Teflon Tony.

    Brown was always rank rotten but he never won an election either. Corbyn can't inherit the Premiership like Brown did.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited September 2015
    Plato..Chelsea |Boots..Called Beatles here.. I have two pairs..one Brown and one Black..good with jeans..Church,s...I also have a fully fur lined pair of Panama Jacks..for those cooler moments..
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,386
    Ms C,

    "The crux of the matter is that men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman's clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter."

    I think she's confusing it with my local rugby club.

    Easy mistake to make if she has already made up her mind.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Plato said:

    BTW - did you see the Louis Louboutin docu on More4? Now those are shoes.

    No I missed that. I could never justify that sort of money for shoes that look like one night out would be all they could stand. I would be more tempted to follow the example of that woman some years ago who painted the bottoms of her shoes with red paint.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,034
    JEO said:
    Dan Hannan has written the books about a positive vision for Britain outside the EU, he's been thinking it through for years and will be a huge asset to the Leave campaign. He's also a very articulate public speaker.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,990
    Plato said:

    Me neither. The odd idiot in the 80/90s but not in years since.

    BTW - did you see the Louis Louboutin docu on More4? Now those are shoes.

    Plato said:

    She's been marvellously monstered by the Mail today - serves her right.

    I read that article and I came across this bit near the bottom: "... in a blog on the left-wing website Left Foot Forward, Ms Proudman wrote: 'The crux of the matter is that men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman's clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter."

    I find that view of the world completely alien. Perhaps, due to her work, she sees the worst side of humanity, but most men I have come across are not even remotely close to fitting that profile.
    That sounds like an accurate description of 1st century Rome, but a bizarre description of the modern UK.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,990

    Cheap shoes really are a false economy, a decent, moderately expensive pair will last for years, requiring occasional re-soling and heeling.

    Absolutely. Cheap shoes can do huge damage to your feet. And, leather shoes are essential in hot weather, so that your feet can perspire.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Beverley C..Satin may be made from silk. but pure silk comes from the hardworking and underprivileged silk worms and their industrial endeavours must be appreciated and encouraged until the proletariat demand enough and stop their exploitation by the global conglomerates and capitalist masters and cease production altogether... gather ye silk worms whilst ye may..then they all die of course..but justice will be served..

    How grim, but if the silkworms pop their clogs then polyester can make some wonderful fabrics for those of us who appreciate such things. As for the proles.... well, there is always burlap....

    Onwards and upwards comrades
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Plato said:

    I prefer desert boots - softer than Martens and more stylish.

    Does anyone wear Chelsea boots nowadays? Personally I think they're hideous - but there were the in male footware in the 70s.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
    In this age of austeritylite and conscious of "us all in it together" I have endeavoured in vain to recommend to Mrs JackW footwear with a high degree of durability and functionality and without all the base frippery of fashion.

    Utter failure beckoned and was not to be denied !!

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,121
    JEO said:
    A veritable Eutopia.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Jelly shoes are the work of the devil.

    Revolting looking and halves the wearer's IQ.
    Sean_F said:

    Cheap shoes really are a false economy, a decent, moderately expensive pair will last for years, requiring occasional re-soling and heeling.

    Absolutely. Cheap shoes can do huge damage to your feet. And, leather shoes are essential in hot weather, so that your feet can perspire.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    CD13 said:

    Ms C,

    "The crux of the matter is that men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman's clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter."

    I think she's confusing it with my local rugby club.

    Actually, in my experience, the bigger the bloke the gentler he usually is. It is the 5ft ones with a Napoleon complex that I worry about
  • tyson said:

    Anyway, calling our Punters out there.....if Jowell wins the London nomination, what would you suggest? Would it be worth a shifty late punt on Yvette?

    When I was walking Trosky this morning it occurred to me that there could be a silent majority in the Labour membership. And all the fascination with Corbyn could have hardened them (under the radar of the polls), much like the SNP meme worked for the Tories.

    I remain hopeful!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Sean_F said:

    Cheap shoes really are a false economy, a decent, moderately expensive pair will last for years, requiring occasional re-soling and heeling.

    Absolutely. Cheap shoes can do huge damage to your feet. And, leather shoes are essential in hot weather, so that your feet can perspire.
    Exactly. I have always maintained that strappy sandals and slingbacks let the air circulate and keep smells and fungi at bay.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    CD13 said:

    Ms C,

    "The crux of the matter is that men live and work in a brutal society, which is maintained through stratified social order based on ritual humiliation, gentleman's clubs, fights, rites of passage, sexism, and banter."

    I think she's confusing it with my local rugby club.

    Easy mistake to make if she has already made up her mind.

    In fairness In my misspent youth there was some of the fights, sexism and banter. Now, only banter remains, god bless it.

    However, her remarks seem to hark back to a bygone, now mostly vanished age. Of course, who knows what its like on the mean streets of London; I'm a confirmed provincial these days.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285
    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

    The Mongols wore a silk vest under their armour. If pierced by an arrow, the arrow was wrapped around by the silk, making it far easier to remove without causing the often-fatal tissue damage.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Beverley C..Satin may be made from silk. but pure silk comes from the hardworking and underprivileged silk worms and their industrial endeavours must be appreciated and encouraged until the proletariat demand enough and stop their exploitation by the global conglomerates and capitalist masters and cease production altogether... gather ye silk worms whilst ye may..then they all die of course..but justice will be served..

    How grim, but if the silkworms pop their clogs then polyester can make some wonderful fabrics for those of us who appreciate such things. As for the proles.... well, there is always burlap....

    Onwards and upwards comrades
    I am sure that Jezza will be opposed to the cruelty of sericulture. The Human League were forthright on the subject back in the day:

    https://youtu.be/CNrnmDmffRc
  • Newstatesman saying both Tessa and Khan claiming victory
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285
    A pb thread on shoes and silk v satin.... You can tell there isn't much going on in politics right now.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sean_F said:

    Cheap shoes really are a false economy, a decent, moderately expensive pair will last for years, requiring occasional re-soling and heeling.

    Absolutely. Cheap shoes can do huge damage to your feet. And, leather shoes are essential in hot weather, so that your feet can perspire.
    PB has always known Sean Fear was into leather ....

  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 439
    Plato said:
    You should be cautious of that Lilico chap...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I draw the line at men in flip flops. Clogs yes, flip flops - nope.

    I also drive in bare feet, and rarely wear shoes at all unless it's too painful not to/going into shops.

    Never wore them as a kid either and the habit stuck. Still love them though.
    tyson said:

    I've been wearing flip flops since May. I drive in bare feet. It'll be a shock to the system to have to resort to proper foot wear come winter.

    Plato said:

    I prefer desert boots - softer than Martens and more stylish.

    Does anyone wear Chelsea boots nowadays? Personally I think they're hideous - but there were the in male footware in the 70s.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
  • New poll:

    PEOPLE opposed to assisted suicide are still absolutely convinced it is any of their business, according to a new survey.

    The poll asked, ‘Someone you don’t know with a horrible disease wants a close friend or relative to help them end their lives – what the fuck has it got to do with you?’.

    According to the survey 11 percent said ‘a bit the fuck to do with me’, 30 percent said ‘a lot the fuck to do with me’ and 18 percent said that absolutely everything was their business all the time.


    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/opponents-of-assisted-suicide-still-convinced-its-any-of-their-business-201002012428

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

    The Mongols wore a silk vest under their armour. If pierced by an arrow, the arrow was wrapped around by the silk, making it far easier to remove without causing the often-fatal tissue damage.
    So would you recommend a silk vest under the Donkey jacket? My Zombie apocalypse wardrobe only need appropriate trousers for completion...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    How interesting. I watched a docu about silk in bullet/arrow proofing and with 6 layers - that'd stop a bolt.

    Silk rugs are hard to beat for durability too.

    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

    The Mongols wore a silk vest under their armour. If pierced by an arrow, the arrow was wrapped around by the silk, making it far easier to remove without causing the often-fatal tissue damage.
  • Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 11 mins11 minutes ago

    Rightly or wrongly some of the rival camps believe Corbyn will get more than 70 per cent of support among new "registered supporters."
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Newstatesman saying both Tessa and Khan claiming victory

    Bloody lefties and prizes for all......
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,706
    tyson said:

    Nick- when I helped out in Broxtowe you were wearing an exceptionally nice suit. Even after you got drenched the suit managed to be impervious to it all.

    Your generous instincts overwhelmed your judgment, I think - I don't think anyone has ever complimented me on my dress sense, except my very first girlfriend, who was possibly deluded by love. A more typical response was the voter who said, "Look, I'm going to vote for you, but if you didn't look like a tramp it might help, eh?"
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pro_Rata said:

    Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.

    Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?

    In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.

    There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    *claps*

    New poll:

    PEOPLE opposed to assisted suicide are still absolutely convinced it is any of their business, according to a new survey.

    The poll asked, ‘Someone you don’t know with a horrible disease wants a close friend or relative to help them end their lives – what the fuck has it got to do with you?’.

    According to the survey 11 percent said ‘a bit the fuck to do with me’, 30 percent said ‘a lot the fuck to do with me’ and 18 percent said that absolutely everything was their business all the time.


    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/opponents-of-assisted-suicide-still-convinced-its-any-of-their-business-201002012428

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285
    Terence Stamp (not a material man at all - as far as I know, he doesn't even own a house) told me that his one great luxury is hand-made shoes. He had dozens of pairs, all beautifully tailored to his feet.

    When he appeared in Priscilla, Queen of the Desert he spent weeks in extravagant (but crap quality) footwear. By the time he finished filming, his feet had been so bent out of shape that none of his hand-made shoes fitted....
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122
    Actually Roger thought that you wore a suit very well- we had a brief conversation about it.

    Thought you might be interested in this:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/778/720/415/

    It is a very sad time when Americans are drawing up petitions about our cruelty to animals.

    tyson said:

    Nick- when I helped out in Broxtowe you were wearing an exceptionally nice suit. Even after you got drenched the suit managed to be impervious to it all.

    Your generous instincts overwhelmed your judgment, I think - I don't think anyone has ever complimented me on my dress sense, except my very first girlfriend, who was possibly deluded by love. A more typical response was the voter who said, "Look, I'm going to vote for you, but if you didn't look like a tramp it might help, eh?"
  • Mr. Mark, pb is imply following the Morris Dancer trend, after I tweeted yesterday that I know more about Roman military footwear than women's shoes :p
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    tyson said:

    Nick- when I helped out in Broxtowe you were wearing an exceptionally nice suit. Even after you got drenched the suit managed to be impervious to it all.

    Your generous instincts overwhelmed your judgment, I think - I don't think anyone has ever complimented me on my dress sense, except my very first girlfriend, who was possibly deluded by love. A more typical response was the voter who said, "Look, I'm going to vote for you, but if you didn't look like a tramp it might help, eh?"
    If only you'd taken some fashion tips from TSE and hair husbandry advice from OGH then you might still be delighting us from the HoC and been able to nominate Jezza too.

    All for the sake of a reluctance to wear red shoes and a furry animal up top .... :smile:

  • Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 11 mins11 minutes ago

    Rightly or wrongly some of the rival camps believe Corbyn will get more than 70 per cent of support among new "registered supporters."

    Are not all "registered supporters" new?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited September 2015
    I had a lie in this morning.

    "As the old maxim goes, you only get one opportunity to make a first impression, Corbyn should use it to make a positive impression to the wider electorate and not a controversial impression." TSE.

    I think that TSE has fallen in love with Corbyn. Could he be vying for a new job as his dresser?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122

    Newstatesman saying both Tessa and Khan claiming victory

    Bloody lefties and prizes for all......

    It's all a bit pointless claiming victory beforehand- especially if you don't know.
  • tyson said:

    Anyway, calling our Punters out there.....if Jowell wins the London nomination, what would you suggest? Would it be worth a shifty late punt on Yvette?

    When I was walking Trosky this morning it occurred to me that there could be a silent majority in the Labour membership. And all the fascination with Corbyn could have hardened them (under the radar of the polls), much like the SNP meme worked for the Tories.

    I'm not sure that a Jowell victory would tell us much more than 1) she's been much more successful than Kendall in ensuring she's not defined as a Blairite; and 2) London Labour is a little less Corbynite than the rest of the country.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    I am sure that Jezza will be opposed to the cruelty of sericulture. The Human League were forthright on the subject back in the day:

    Eeewwwww!!!!

    What an absolutely dreadful piece of music.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Corbyn needs a Gannex raincoat! Don't see them too often now.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm always impressed by the fashion knowledge on PB. We can name types of shoes, outdoor wear and hats.
    justin124 said:

    Corbyn needs a Gannex raincoat! Don't see them too often now.

  • Plato said:

    I draw the line at men in flip flops. Clogs yes, flip flops - nope.

    I also drive in bare feet, and rarely wear shoes at all unless it's too painful not to/going into shops.

    Never wore them as a kid either and the habit stuck. Still love them though.

    tyson said:

    I've been wearing flip flops since May. I drive in bare feet. It'll be a shock to the system to have to resort to proper foot wear come winter.

    Plato said:

    I prefer desert boots - softer than Martens and more stylish.

    Does anyone wear Chelsea boots nowadays? Personally I think they're hideous - but there were the in male footware in the 70s.

    On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.

    As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.

    As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
    Yes, but if you call them havaianas instead of flip flops, they miraculously become fashionable again.
  • Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 11 mins11 minutes ago

    Rightly or wrongly some of the rival camps believe Corbyn will get more than 70 per cent of support among new "registered supporters."

    Are not all "registered supporters" new?
    70% means at an absolute minimum 85,000 people in UK believe Corbyn should be Labour leader. 131 per constituency on average.
  • MM ..It might not seem like politics to you..but to a silk worm it is ..er...on the subject of flip flops and enclosed feet creating fungus,,the wily locals swear by Vicks Vapour Rub to kill off nail fungus...and it is cheaper than any of he other branded versions
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    UKIP National Conference 2015

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    Following our great success at Doncaster last year we have decided to go back to this brilliant venue for this September’s annual party conference.

    Having quadrupled our vote share in the General Election, and with the British people for the first time in 40 years being offered a referendum on membership of the European Union, there has never been a more exciting time to be a member and supporter of UKIP as we continue to lead the political debate in this country.

    We hope you will join us to listen to a wide range of top speakers including some exciting invited guests who will all be making the case for the theme of this year's conference ‘Out of the EU and Into the World’. Please see ticket prices below. Further information regarding getting to conference, accommodation and the surrounding area will be available shortly.



    Well you won't catch me going to Doncaster. A big mistake on venue, I believe. The conference should have been held in London, to show the world that UKIP is still alive.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285

    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

    The Mongols wore a silk vest under their armour. If pierced by an arrow, the arrow was wrapped around by the silk, making it far easier to remove without causing the often-fatal tissue damage.
    So would you recommend a silk vest under the Donkey jacket? My Zombie apocalypse wardrobe only need appropriate trousers for completion...
    Surely the ultimate act of defiance towards the Zombie hordes would be a kilt?
  • RodCrosby said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.

    Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?

    In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.

    There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
    Didn't Maggie tuck everyone into line?
  • MikeK said:

    I had a lie in this morning.

    "As the old maxim goes, you only get one opportunity to make a first impression, Corbyn should use it to make a positive impression to the wider electorate and not a controversial impression." TSE.

    I think that TSE has fallen in love with Corbyn. Could he be vying for a new job as his dresser?

    Well Corbyn will get an immediate pay rise and a nice new chauffeur driven car. So he ought to be able to afford a new suit and tie. But if he really believes in such things then why has he been wondering round the campaign trail dressed like a 3rd rate polytechnic lecturer?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,706
    tyson said:

    Actually Roger thought that you wore a suit very well- we had a brief conversation about it.

    Thought you might be interested in this:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/778/720/415/

    It is a very sad time when Americans are drawing up petitions about our cruelty to animals.

    Thanks, tyson, have signed and shared to Facebook. I personally persuaded the last Labour SoS responsible (Hilary Benn) of the scientific case against the cull (essentially that it speeds up badger movement and thereby spreads the disease if you kill badgers in selected areas) and was very sorry to see the idiotic policy reintroduced.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I have always felt an instinctive contempt for fashion in that adhering to it is effectively allowing other people to dictate how we should appear. It would show strength of character to openly ignore it and to simply follow personal preferences. What would the reaction be if a party leader decided to dress like Neville Chamberlain by wearing an open tie collar?
  • Flightpath Would that be a 3rd rate Poly or a 3rd rate lecturer..or both
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    tyson said:

    Actually Roger thought that you wore a suit very well- we had a brief conversation about it.

    Thought you might be interested in this:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/778/720/415/

    It is a very sad time when Americans are drawing up petitions about our cruelty to animals.

    Thanks, tyson, have signed and shared to Facebook. I personally persuaded the last Labour SoS responsible (Hilary Benn) of the scientific case against the cull (essentially that it speeds up badger movement and thereby spreads the disease if you kill badgers in selected areas) and was very sorry to see the idiotic policy reintroduced.
    Do you have a position on sericulture? The Human League not withstanding...


    PS I thought you looked smart at the Broxtowe pub. Sadly cannot recall your shoes...
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MikeK said:

    I had a lie in this morning.

    "As the old maxim goes, you only get one opportunity to make a first impression, Corbyn should use it to make a positive impression to the wider electorate and not a controversial impression." TSE.

    I think that TSE has fallen in love with Corbyn. Could he be vying for a new job as his dresser?

    Well Corbyn will get an immediate pay rise and a nice new chauffeur driven car. So he ought to be able to afford a new suit and tie. But if he really believes in such things then why has he been wondering round the campaign trail dressed like a 3rd rate polytechnic lecturer?
    So you agree with me that TSE should be Corbyns dresser? ;)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    From the Snow intv on C4 - Corbyn doesn't appear to want his £139k salary, or a car or much else.

    MikeK said:

    I had a lie in this morning.

    "As the old maxim goes, you only get one opportunity to make a first impression, Corbyn should use it to make a positive impression to the wider electorate and not a controversial impression." TSE.

    I think that TSE has fallen in love with Corbyn. Could he be vying for a new job as his dresser?

    Well Corbyn will get an immediate pay rise and a nice new chauffeur driven car. So he ought to be able to afford a new suit and tie. But if he really believes in such things then why has he been wondering round the campaign trail dressed like a 3rd rate polytechnic lecturer?
  • SeanT said:

    lol. Corbyn is so horrendously unfit to be LOTO it is now surreal.

    A con artist knew the best way to scrounge money off Corbyn was to PRETEND to be an IRA bomber on the run.

    Seriously WTF????

    I just..... no..I'm been dreaming for the last few months, I'll wake up and it'll be 3rd May or something in a minute or two.
  • SeanT said:

    lol. Corbyn is so horrendously unfit to be LOTO it is now surreal.

    A con artist knew the best way to scrounge money off Corbyn was to PRETEND to be an IRA bomber on the run.


    twitter.com/JHunters_Corner/status/626672897164201984


    Should we file what is happening to the Labour party under "Tragedy" or "Farce"?

  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RodCrosby said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.

    Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?

    In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.

    There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
    I think the difference is, the more you think about Michael Foot, while it is true his policies would have done great harm to the nation and its people, the man himself seemed to have been a thoroughly decent individual. One wonders how he would cope with the dichotomy that currently infects the left, between equality, human rights and peace, with the deep throating of islamicism by the Labour movement, and a willingness to turn a blind eye to the most appalling and thoroughly indecent behaviour both at home and abroad.

    The Labour love affair with Islam and its nurturing as a voting block has caused great damage to the movement in the wider native population, and more recent immigrant groups who look on in horror.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''lol. Corbyn is so horrendously unfit to be LOTO it is now surreal.,,

    Amazingly, Tim Montgomerie has actually written something interesting about what the tories will do.

    http://www.capx.co/how-the-tories-will-take-on-corbyn/
  • JEO said:
    That is the best and most optimistic article I've ever read from an Out supporter.

    Much more of that positive style and much less Farage negatives and I could be tempted to go for Out and I think Out could actually win.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,990
    Plato said:

    How interesting. I watched a docu about silk in bullet/arrow proofing and with 6 layers - that'd stop a bolt.

    Silk rugs are hard to beat for durability too.

    Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

    The Mongols wore a silk vest under their armour. If pierced by an arrow, the arrow was wrapped around by the silk, making it far easier to remove without causing the often-fatal tissue damage.
    I'm currently reading a biography of Genghis Khan by Frank McGlynn. The Mongols wore armour, but the silk shirt was the final barrier. Both the Mongols and their enemies typically used poisoned arrows, so it was essential to draw the arrow out, with a minimum of damage.
  • SeanT said:

    lol. Corbyn is so horrendously unfit to be LOTO it is now surreal.

    A con artist knew the best way to scrounge money off Corbyn was to PRETEND to be an IRA bomber on the run.

    I saw that tweet at the time, and judged it not an opportune moment to retweet it or share it on here. Just in case anyone came to their senses.
  • Plato said:

    I do like silk, it's so versatile - but why anyone would have silk sheets is beyond me. All those creases. And totally unsuitable for warmer weather.

    The history of silk in the development of bullet-proof vests is rather interesting.

    The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..

    Modern body armour works on the same principle as the 'catching of arrows' as outlined by Mark I think. Layers of kevlar material absorb the bullet by virtue of the weave or webbing of the material.
    But are you referring to silk as an alternative to kevlar? It seems goats have been genetically engineered to produce the chemical constituents of spider silk, the resulting material is called Biosteel. A strand of Biosteel can be up to 20 times stronger than an equivalent strand of steel.
    Chicken feathers are also a possibility. They are spinning them into cloth that is lightweight and very sturdy.Its thought that because the feathers have a fine honeycomb texture, they could be resistant to bullets.
    Who'dathunkit.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,990
    SeanT said:

    lol. Corbyn is so horrendously unfit to be LOTO it is now surreal.

    A con artist knew the best way to scrounge money off Corbyn was to PRETEND to be an IRA bomber on the run.


    https://twitter.com/JHunters_Corner/status/626672897164201984

    Corbyn is our king,
    Corbyn is our king,
    He always lets the Tories in,
    Corbyn is our king.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    justin124 said:

    I have always felt an instinctive contempt for fashion in that adhering to it is effectively allowing other people to dictate how we should appear.

    Au contraire. Fashion is useful for exploring new trends, materials, colours and looks and taking those and adapting them to your personal style. It is also nice to change your wardrobe every so often for new colours or materials, but it pays to be choosy.

    Slavishly following fashion is for teenagers and early tweens.

    For example, I know what looks good on me and what does not. You will never get me in an Empire Line simply because I know it will look rubbish on me, so even if they became the height of fashion I would not buy one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,960
    Jonathan said:

    PB spends a good proportion of it's time complaining about careerist PPE clones in smart but empty suits dominating politics.

    Then the moment something different crops up, it complains about the lack of said smart empty suit.


    That's fair, but I do tend to think we've ended up with careerest PPE clones, or as I prefer to refer to them, identikit party automatons, because that is what has worked with the public. Those who break the mould in an interesting way are refreshing, and Corbyn's understated manner is also a little refreshing (not that much though, he's not that different), and of course perhaps those clones have reached the end of their effectiveness, but I think thepoint is correct that people expect leaders to be a bit different. We complain about them being boring, and all empty suits and the like, but it is also what we expect and someone has to be very good to be different and still seem like the right 'sort' to be PM.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    SeanT said:

    lol. Corbyn is so horrendously unfit to be LOTO it is now surreal.

    A con artist knew the best way to scrounge money off Corbyn was to PRETEND to be an IRA bomber on the run.


    https://twitter.com/JHunters_Corner/status/626672897164201984

    OMG! This should send jitters all trough the body politic; but I bet it won't. Nothing like the establishment for turning a blind eye at things they have no wish to see. Lets see if the BBC reports it....hoho!
  • I still cannot beleive that Corbyn will win...

    No group of people are that deluded. Are they?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    OMG! This should send jitters all trough the body politic;

    Its worth remembering that many younger people did not live through the troubles and have no idea who the IRA are or what they are capable of in NI or on the British mainland.
  • RodCrosby said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.

    Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?

    In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.

    There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
    I think we all sympathised with Foots eyesight problem and his age. But his judgement in not even buttoning up this green coat and thus exposing a scruffy looking tweed non black tie was appalling.
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