Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.
Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?
In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.
There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
I think the difference is, the more you think about Michael Foot, while it is true his policies would have done great harm to the nation and its people, the man himself seemed to have been a thoroughly decent individual. One wonders how he would cope with the dichotomy that currently infects the left, between equality, human rights and peace, with the deep throating of islamicism by the Labour movement, and a willingness to turn a blind eye to the most appalling and thoroughly indecent behaviour both at home and abroad.
The Labour love affair with Islam and its nurturing as a voting block has caused great damage to the movement in the wider native population, and more recent immigrant groups who look on in horror.
Apart from the fact that Foot was a genuinely intelligent man, his political views were shaped by the appalling social and economic conditions endured by many working class people in the 1920s and 1930s. People of Corbyn's generation (and younger) have not personally witnessed such suffering in this country.
I'd sit alone and watch you rant My truest friend – the militant And everything we'd need to be We heard it from our Jeremy
You gave them all those old time lines Ban the bomb, preserve the mines You made 'em laugh, you made 'em cry You made us feel like we could fly. Jeremy.
So don't become some background noise A backdrop for the girls and boys Who just don't know or just don't care And just complain when you're not there
You had your time, you had the power You've yet to have your finest hour Jeremy, Jeremy.
All we hear is Jeremy Corbyn Jeremy goo goo Jeremy Corbyn All we hear is Jeremy Corbyn Jeremy blah blah Jeremy, what's new? Jeremy, someone still loves you!
Corbyn is unpatriotic. The hard left does not see the world as a collection of nations. It sees it only in terms of class.
Patriotism is not a virtue. It is simply an extension of the morally wicked practice of preferring one's own children to other people's.
I agree it's not a virtue, but it is a commonly-held feeling, and generally a very positive one - except when it develops into nationalism. Corbyn doesn't feel it and is not capable of pretending to. His world view is very different to most people's.
Loving one's children is not morally wicked, it is an essential part of the continuation of the species. It doesn't just involve partiality to ones own offspring either, it involves taking responsibility for them, nurturing them and at times chastising them, ensuring they achieve their full potential. The same is true of patriotism. Your attitude shows exactly why leftism is a disease on the body politic.
How is "the same true of patriotism"? Are politicians parents and voters children?
Patriotism is an extension of kinship. Decent people care for their kin, and want to hand on a decent place to live to their issue.
Please explain why that is not a racist remark. Or perhaps you're like Da'esh - you think your own people better than others.
Because caring about your fellow countrymen has nothing to do with race.
Indeed. It's tribal. Can be taken too far, can be based entirely on race, but I'd like to think I do neither in my patriotism. I have affinity for this nation and its inhabitants, but don't have an issue accepting other races into the identity of that tribe.
I don't think humans are set up to view themselves a part of some global whole without any form of prejudice - its impossible to genuinely care about everyone beyond a passive sense of humanity. Tribes, and nations form to allow us to care about larger groups in some way beyond our immediate familial circle without overwhelming us.
But it's like the story of Brown pissing himself at a press conference, or the fictional speeches classical historians sometimes made up. It's indicative of the broader picture that it can be entertained as a serious episode in the life of the man who might well be Labour leader.
"As the old maxim goes, you only get one opportunity to make a first impression, Corbyn should use it to make a positive impression to the wider electorate and not a controversial impression." TSE.
I think that TSE has fallen in love with Corbyn. Could he be vying for a new job as his dresser?
Well Corbyn will get an immediate pay rise and a nice new chauffeur driven car. So he ought to be able to afford a new suit and tie. But if he really believes in such things then why has he been wondering round the campaign trail dressed like a 3rd rate polytechnic lecturer?
Unfortunately he wants to will that outlook onto the rest of us.
That is the best and most optimistic article I've ever read from an Out supporter.
Much more of that positive style and much less Farage negatives and I could be tempted to go for Out and I think Out could actually win.
I can see positive ways forward for the UK both within and without the EU. I can also see regression with both results.
Part of the problem is, as discussions on here show all the time, that people think of 'moving forward' and 'moving backwards' differently.
Recent events have only accelerated my fall off the fence towards 'leave', though. I've got no confidence that the EU wants to be a coherent, democratic force, rather than an extended Greater Germany.
The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..
Modern body armour works on the same principle as the 'catching of arrows' as outlined by Mark I think. Layers of kevlar material absorb the bullet by virtue of the weave or webbing of the material. But are you referring to silk as an alternative to kevlar? It seems goats have been genetically engineered to produce the chemical constituents of spider silk, the resulting material is called Biosteel. A strand of Biosteel can be up to 20 times stronger than an equivalent strand of steel. Chicken feathers are also a possibility. They are spinning them into cloth that is lightweight and very sturdy.Its thought that because the feathers have a fine honeycomb texture, they could be resistant to bullets. Who'dathunkit.
For that matter, cotton has a long history as body armour in the Americas. The Aztecs used quilted cotton to ward off darts and the Conquistadors adopted it as it was just as effective as steel and much lighter.
''Indeed. It's tribal. Can be taken too far, can be based entirely on race, but I'd like to think I do neither in my patriotism.''
I remember going ski-ing in Austria in the 1980s. One of our party was a black guy, and I can remember a racist bunch of locals tutting and eyebrow raising when he got into a cable car with us.
OMG! This should send jitters all trough the body politic;
Its worth remembering that many younger people did not live through the troubles and have no idea who the IRA are or what they are capable of in NI or on the British mainland.
I have to say this has to be the worst thing that has come out about Corbyn. Sharing a platform with dodgy people can perhaps be explained away, the Bin Laden thing can be said to be quoting out of context but what this amounts to is giving someone he believed to be an enemy of the UK, money to evade the police. If he really had been an IRA bomber, surely Corbyn could have been charged with aiding and abetting! An appalling lack of judgement!
I'm pretty sure you're right that the ones I saw coming over from Italy were looking for a job and were almost cerainly from Africa not the Middle East. They were nearly all men and nearly all in their 20's.
But what a strange world where we accept the lottery that says people who have been prepared to walk continents to find work are not entitled because they're taking privileges that are rightfully ours.
If it's got to be a survival of the fittest then we should open our borders to make it a fair contest.
Talking of fairness..... I've again been hearing Paula Radcliffe's husband explaining why she's not a cheat. A very difficult argument to make for a family who have chosen to avoid tax in Monaco
Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.
Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?
In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.
There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
I think the difference is, the more you think about Michael Foot, while it is true his policies would have done great harm to the nation and its people, the man himself seemed to have been a thoroughly decent individual. One wonders how he would cope with the dichotomy that currently infects the left, between equality, human rights and peace, with the deep throating of islamicism by the Labour movement, and a willingness to turn a blind eye to the most appalling and thoroughly indecent behaviour both at home and abroad.
The Labour love affair with Islam and its nurturing as a voting block has caused great damage to the movement in the wider native population, and more recent immigrant groups who look on in horror.
Apart from the fact that Foot was a genuinely intelligent man, his political views were shaped by the appalling social and economic conditions endured by many working class people in the 1920s and 1930s. People of Corbyn's generation (and younger) have not personally witnessed such suffering in this country.
Yes, i often wonder if I had seen the misery that people lived in pre WW2, if I might have become a socialist.
Today poverty is an iphone 5 when your peers have an iphone 6. Poverty is your mother being so stupid that she doesnt know how to boil potatoes and pasta, that she buys ready meals instead. Poverty is having to buy your clothes at tesco, and driving a car more than five years old.
People have no idea how grinding and miserable life used to be for so many people.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.
As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.
As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
My brother got married in his flip flops (he has very wide feet and is not a fan of shoes in general) - from discussions with female friends and colleagues, I rather gather that he was permitted to do this indicates his wife is indeed his soul mate.
''Indeed. It's tribal. Can be taken too far, can be based entirely on race, but I'd like to think I do neither in my patriotism.''
I remember going ski-ing in Austria in the 1980s. One of our party was a black guy, and I can remember a racist bunch of locals tutting and eyebrow raising when he got into a cable car with us.
I seriously wanted to slot those Austrians.
I'm proud to say that Mrs J has never experienced obvious racism in the UK, apart from when she was spat at in Oxford Street once (we weren't sure if it was because she was a woman, Turkish, or just a random target). (*)
We have experienced it in Germany, though. It was at a low level, although still far from pleasant.
The German experience with the Turks should give many Syrians wanting to settle there long term pause for thought.
(*) As an aside, something similar happened t me in Cambridge a few weeks ago. As I was passing a woman, she spat over her shoulder, the spittle landing on the pram near the wheels. Not pleasant, but I'm fairly sure it was not targeted.
Indeed. It's tribal. Can be taken too far, can be based entirely on race, but I'd like to think I do neither in my patriotism. I have affinity for this nation and its inhabitants, but don't have an issue accepting other races into the identity of that tribe.
The more I look around the world and the more I interact with people from around the world, the more I get convinced that this country - the UK - is the best place on Earth.
I look at the intolerance in Russia, the religious bigotry in the USA, the mess that is Africa and the Middle East and I get more and more glad that I was born here. It was a lucky accident for me, I understand that, and lots of people are worse off so I can understand why so many want to come here, but this place will only stay good and continue to work as well as it does if all those arriving accept the standards and rules that are already in place.
It will benefit nobody, especially migrants and refugees, if this country is reduced to the levels of barbarism displayed elsewhere in the world. If patriotism is all about keeping what works working for the benefit of all of us here - including migrants - then I am in favour of it
OMG! This should send jitters all trough the body politic; but I bet it won't. Nothing like the establishment for turning a blind eye at things they have no wish to see. Lets see if the BBC reports it....hoho!
Oh, FFFFS! Surely any Tory tactic of keeping quiet and hoping he lasts the course is just pie in the sky, because any moderate Labour tactic of sitting around and waiting for him to fail before deposing him isn't going to get to fever pitch really much more quickly than they seem to realise.
There is increasingly no way I can square the enthusiasts idea that he is just a misunderstood and Tory-press smeared peacenik, which still holds a lot of currency within the cult, you cannot escape the conclusion that he is actively anti-Western and holds close to any anti-Western violent cause.
Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.
Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?
In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.
There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
I think the difference is, the more you think about Michael Foot, while it is true his policies would have done great harm to the nation and its people, the man himself seemed to have been a thoroughly decent individual. One wonders how he would cope with the dichotomy that currently infects the left, between equality, human rights and peace, with the deep throating of islamicism by the Labour movement, and a willingness to turn a blind eye to the most appalling and thoroughly indecent behaviour both at home and abroad.
The Labour love affair with Islam and its nurturing as a voting block has caused great damage to the movement in the wider native population, and more recent immigrant groups who look on in horror.
Apart from the fact that Foot was a genuinely intelligent man, his political views were shaped by the appalling social and economic conditions endured by many working class people in the 1920s and 1930s. People of Corbyn's generation (and younger) have not personally witnessed such suffering in this country.
Yes, i often wonder if I had seen the misery that people lived in pre WW2, if I might have become a socialist.
Today poverty is an iphone 5 when your peers have an iphone 6. Poverty is your mother being so stupid that she doesnt know how to boil potatoes and pasta, that she buys ready meals instead. Poverty is having to buy your clothes at tesco, and driving a car more than five years old.
People have no idea how grinding and miserable life used to be for so many people.
That is so true. I still remember aged 5 in 1938, young boys in Hackney with threadbare plimsoles or none, walking behind the coal horses and shovelling up their shit, to earn a few coppers.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
I very much doubt it. Churchill was often in tears watching footage of the devastation wrought by the allied air forces. Besides, he was well aware of the need to defeat Germany as quickly as possible, not least because of the growing threat from the Soviets advancing in the east. Hitting refugees would have been unlikely to produce that result.
The death toll attributed to the raid is also inflated about four-fold.
That is the best and most optimistic article I've ever read from an Out supporter.
Much more of that positive style and much less Farage negatives and I could be tempted to go for Out and I think Out could actually win.
I can see positive ways forward for the UK both within and without the EU. I can also see regression with both results.
Part of the problem is, as discussions on here show all the time, that people think of 'moving forward' and 'moving backwards' differently.
Recent events have only accelerated my fall off the fence towards 'leave', though. I've got no confidence that the EU wants to be a coherent, democratic force, rather than an extended Greater Germany.
You are making fair points. However Germany is a successful economy and with the emergence of the Euro it is inevitable that the Eurozone will lead to closer monetary fiscal and thus political union. Germany has clear influence here. We are not part of that and it seems increasingly likely we will not be. What is at issue is where we stand in respect of this. Do we orbit the EU from within but at a distance or do we orbit the EU from being part of the EEA. We are not in Schengen. If in the EEA we would be outside the political aspects the parliament etc - but have no say in the rules. We would still be part of the single market and part of free movement of labour. It would be little different from now. The issue of refugees and migrants is not going to to away. The EU will not go away. If the EU welcome them in with us not in the EU that will be no different from now. We may be better of out than in or vice versa but life outside will be very little different and no magic bed of roses. Either way we need to stay out of Schengen and the only way we might possibly be dragooned into it is by leaving the EU. Norway is in Schengen but not in the EU. Does Corbyn support Schengen?
''Indeed. It's tribal. Can be taken too far, can be based entirely on race, but I'd like to think I do neither in my patriotism.''
I remember going ski-ing in Austria in the 1980s. One of our party was a black guy, and I can remember a racist bunch of locals tutting and eyebrow raising when he got into a cable car with us.
I seriously wanted to slot those Austrians.
I'm proud to say that Mrs J has never experienced obvious racism in the UK, apart from when she was spat at in Oxford Street once (we weren't sure if it was because she was a woman, Turkish, or just a random target). (*)
We have experienced it in Germany, though. It was at a low level, although still far from pleasant.
The German experience with the Turks should give many Syrians wanting to settle there long term pause for thought.
(*) As an aside, something similar happened t me in Cambridge a few weeks ago. As I was passing a woman, she spat over her shoulder, the spittle landing on the pram near the wheels. Not pleasant, but I'm fairly sure it was not targeted.
But there is, now, blatant and tolerated racism on the streets of the UK. It's just directed at Jews, rather than blacks and Muslims.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
It's not a quote I've ever heard before, and given that the author thinks that 500,000 people died at Dresden, and that Churchill was born in 1847, I doubt its authenticity.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
It's not a quote I've ever heard before, and given that the author thinks that 500,000 people died at Dresden, and that Churchill was born in 1847, I doubt its authenticity.
Lord Ashcroft's Project Red Dawn makes interesting reading and not a little depressing when you see that maybe the key policy for Labour to Tory switchers was Help To Buy. It should of course really be called 'Help To Sell' since all the buyers get is the chance to take on more debt to own a home (hardly a great boost) whereas the sellers get a better chance of achieving their asking price in a depressed market.
And yet almost no-one is calling this con out on what it is. The left is clearly just retreating into the simple moral certainties of 'anti-austerity' and not bothering with anything that requires a bit of mental effort.
I see the Liberal Democrats triumphed in Barwell last night beating a Labour candidate and regaining control of the council. The Labour candidate pledging to work with Conservatives and UKIP against the LibDems may have helped.
The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..
Modern body armour works on the same principle as the 'catching of arrows' as outlined by Mark I think. Layers of kevlar material absorb the bullet by virtue of the weave or webbing of the material. But are you referring to silk as an alternative to kevlar? It seems goats have been genetically engineered to produce the chemical constituents of spider silk, the resulting material is called Biosteel. A strand of Biosteel can be up to 20 times stronger than an equivalent strand of steel. Chicken feathers are also a possibility. They are spinning them into cloth that is lightweight and very sturdy.Its thought that because the feathers have a fine honeycomb texture, they could be resistant to bullets. Who'dathunkit.
I see the Liberal Democrats triumphed in Barwell last night beating a Labour candidate and regaining control of the council. The Labour candidate pledging to work with Conservatives and UKIP against the LibDems may have helped.
Good stuff. A LD council is such a rare thing I feel quite encouraged if one manages to survive inthis day and age.
OMG! This should send jitters all trough the body politic;
Its worth remembering that many younger people did not live through the troubles and have no idea who the IRA are or what they are capable of in NI or on the British mainland.
I see the Liberal Democrats triumphed in Barwell last night beating a Labour candidate and regaining control of the council. The Labour candidate pledging to work with Conservatives and UKIP against the LibDems may have helped.
I've said this before, but the LDs now have a massive opportunity to recover quite spectacularly - it's up to Farron to seize it.
I see the Liberal Democrats triumphed in Barwell last night beating a Labour candidate and regaining control of the council. The Labour candidate pledging to work with Conservatives and UKIP against the LibDems may have helped.
I've said this before, but the LDs now have a massive opportunity to recover quite spectacularly - it's up to Farron to seize it.
I see the Liberal Democrats triumphed in Barwell last night beating a Labour candidate and regaining control of the council. The Labour candidate pledging to work with Conservatives and UKIP against the LibDems may have helped.
I've said this before, but the LDs now have a massive opportunity to recover quite spectacularly - it's up to Farron to seize it.
You've just neatly summed up their problem....
Yes, I have my doubts, but still he could surprise us ...
Yep, although I'd argue that it's more complex than that. Some people in all groups are racist towards one or more other groups. For instance this story today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-34218184 It's all wrong, but some on the left seem to condone some of it as being 'okay'.
Of course, no race or community has a monopoly on evil nutters. My point about the "anti-Semitism" video in Manchester was implicit: there have been, as far as I am aware, no arrests for the nasty racial abuse that Jewish guy received. In fact the police didn't take any action at all. This despite the fact the abusers were caught on camera. Easily identifiable. Contrast this with the way those Chelsea fans were swiftly chastised when they were filmed being racist in Paris. It seems one kind of racism IS tolerated: Muslim racism, generally towards Jews but sometimes towards whites or others. And because we have tolerated it, for reasons of cohesion or moral cowardice, Jewish people are now being nearly kicked to death on the same streets of Manchester.
I can broadly agree. The sick 'nazi' mind of this Zack Davis does show that nutters are in all walks of life. The issue is the 'multiculturalism' excuse. The Left used it to allow people to specifically not integrate. The whole point of people being allowed into these islands is that they should want to integrate. As such they will be a benefit - not on benefits. Lets not forget that Cameron made a speech some time ago repudiating multiculturalism.
My husband had ugly feet. I don't think I've seen nice feet on a man, now I think about it.
I don't quite know what it is about flip flops, but they give all the wrong vibes. Only wearing a football shirt is more likely to make me wince. Your sister-in-law definitely wore her SoulMate goggles.
On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.
As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.
As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
My brother got married in his flip flops (he has very wide feet and is not a fan of shoes in general) - from discussions with female friends and colleagues, I rather gather that he was permitted to do this indicates his wife is indeed his soul mate.
Michael Foot at the Cenotaph has some inexplicably totemic status in the in-laws household as the single most shocking political event of the last 40 years. In their version of events, he spent the entire time playing pocket billiards.
Having never seem the film of it myself - was he playing pocket billiards?
In any case, it looks they're going to be talking about Jezza for decades to come.
There's a video of the Cenotaph 1981 about 10 seconds into this. Even Maggie had to tug him into line. Poor bloke. He couldn't walk properly due to a near-fatal car smash in 1963, and was blind in one eye. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU
I think the difference is, the more you think about Michael Foot, while it is true his policies would have done great harm to the nation and its people, the man himself seemed to have been a thoroughly decent individual. One wonders how he would cope with the dichotomy that currently infects the left, between equality, human rights and peace, with the deep throating of islamicism by the Labour movement, and a willingness to turn a blind eye to the most appalling and thoroughly indecent behaviour both at home and abroad.
The Labour love affair with Islam and its nurturing as a voting block has caused great damage to the movement in the wider native population, and more recent immigrant groups who look on in horror.
Apart from the fact that Foot was a genuinely intelligent man, his political views were shaped by the appalling social and economic conditions endured by many working class people in the 1920s and 1930s. People of Corbyn's generation (and younger) have not personally witnessed such suffering in this country.
Yes, i often wonder if I had seen the misery that people lived in pre WW2, if I might have become a socialist.
Today poverty is an iphone 5 when your peers have an iphone 6. Poverty is your mother being so stupid that she doesnt know how to boil potatoes and pasta, that she buys ready meals instead. Poverty is having to buy your clothes at tesco, and driving a car more than five years old.
People have no idea how grinding and miserable life used to be for so many people.
That is so true. I still remember aged 5 in 1938, young boys in Hackney with threadbare plimsoles or none, walking behind the coal horses and shovelling up their shit, to earn a few coppers.
When I was a kid we used to rush out into the street and shovel up the shit to put on my dad's roses.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
It's not a quote I've ever heard before, and given that the author thinks that 500,000 people died at Dresden, and that Churchill was born in 1847, I doubt its authenticity.
1847 is presumably just a dyslexic typo.
It does show that 'stop the war' are a bunch of dangerous lunatics
''Indeed. It's tribal. Can be taken too far, can be based entirely on race, but I'd like to think I do neither in my patriotism.''
I remember going ski-ing in Austria in the 1980s. One of our party was a black guy, and I can remember a racist bunch of locals tutting and eyebrow raising when he got into a cable car with us.
I seriously wanted to slot those Austrians.
I'm proud to say that Mrs J has never experienced obvious racism in the UK, apart from when she was spat at in Oxford Street once (we weren't sure if it was because she was a woman, Turkish, or just a random target). (*)
We have experienced it in Germany, though. It was at a low level, although still far from pleasant.
The German experience with the Turks should give many Syrians wanting to settle there long term pause for thought.
(*) As an aside, something similar happened t me in Cambridge a few weeks ago. As I was passing a woman, she spat over her shoulder, the spittle landing on the pram near the wheels. Not pleasant, but I'm fairly sure it was not targeted.
But there is, now, blatant and tolerated racism on the streets of the UK. It's just directed at Jews, rather than blacks and Muslims.
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Of course, no race or community has a monopoly on evil nutters. My point about the "anti-Semitism" video in Manchester was implicit: there have been, as far as I am aware, no arrests for the nasty racial abuse that Jewish guy received. In fact the police didn't take any action at all.
This despite the fact the abusers were caught on camera. Easily identifiable.
Contrast this with the way those Chelsea fans were swiftly chastised when they were filmed being racist in Paris.
It seems one kind of racism IS tolerated: Muslim racism, generally towards Jews but sometimes towards whites or others.
And because we have tolerated it, for reasons of cohesion or moral cowardice, Jewish people are now being nearly kicked to death on the same streets of Manchester.
"It seems one kind of racism IS tolerated: Muslim racism, generally towards Jews but sometimes towards whites or others."
Interesting article by the Stop the War Coalition. Churchill was no pacifist but lying about his age - that crosses a line. He was 112 when he died, was he?
It's obviously a bunch of nutters on the internet but that bunch of nutters has Jezza as a figurehead. He probably believes every word because he wants to.
I still believe Labour won't elect 'the nutter on the bus', but if they do, they deserve all they get.
Orthodox Jews, I think, are a distinct ethnic (as well as religious) group, as you can only be born into it. I forget the proper term for non-orthodox Judaism, but it is possible to convert to that (if my old religious studies class was right).
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.
Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:
“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
In Dresden he got his wish. Those who perished in the centre of the city could not be traced, as the temperature in the area reached 1600 degree Centigrade. Dresden’s citizens barely had time to reach their shelters and many who sought refuge underground suffocated as oxygen was pulled from the air to feed the flames. Others perished in a blast of white heat strong enough to melt human flesh.
Instead of being charged with being responsible for ordering one of the most horrific war crimes of recent history, in which up to half a million people died screaming in his firestorms, Churchill emerged from the war as a hero. An unwavering supporter of the British monarchy throughout his life, he was made a knight of the Order of the Garter, Britain’s highest order of knighthoods, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.
It's not a quote I've ever heard before, and given that the author thinks that 500,000 people died at Dresden, and that Churchill was born in 1847, I doubt its authenticity.
But isnt it sweet when Lefties quote Nazi propaganda?
'Dresden the major rail and road junction 70 miles from the front with hopelessly inadequate civilian air raid protection Jewel Box was a War Crime'
On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.
As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.
As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
My brother got married in his flip flops (he has very wide feet and is not a fan of shoes in general) - from discussions with female friends and colleagues, I rather gather that he was permitted to do this indicates his wife is indeed his soul mate.
I've never heard of female foot fetishists, so perhaps nice men feet do not exist. I guess people only like Hobbit feet on actual Hobbits
The ubiquitous Donkey Jacket..the perfect silent protest garment...comes in all colours and fabrics as long as it is in black and made of wool or cotton..silk by special order...who,d a thunk it..
Modern body armour works on the same principle as the 'catching of arrows' as outlined by Mark I think. Layers of kevlar material absorb the bullet by virtue of the weave or webbing of the material. But are you referring to silk as an alternative to kevlar? It seems goats have been genetically engineered to produce the chemical constituents of spider silk, the resulting material is called Biosteel. A strand of Biosteel can be up to 20 times stronger than an equivalent strand of steel. Chicken feathers are also a possibility. They are spinning them into cloth that is lightweight and very sturdy.Its thought that because the feathers have a fine honeycomb texture, they could be resistant to bullets. Who'dathunkit.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/body-armor1.htm There is as, I am sure many know, lots of other links about silk and also this business about genetically modified goats! There have been various stuff about it all on TV. Its suggested that if Franz Ferdinand had been wearing his silk bullet proof vest....
On topic - clothes are important as people do judge by clothing. However I note that no one seems to have commented on what sort of shoes Mr Corbyn prefers.
As every woman knows, shoes make the outfit.
As a traditionalist I go for Doc Martens for a Zombie apocalypse, though German Paratrooper boots are a valid second choice. Any thoughts?
My brother got married in his flip flops (he has very wide feet and is not a fan of shoes in general) - from discussions with female friends and colleagues, I rather gather that he was permitted to do this indicates his wife is indeed his soul mate.
I've never heard of female foot fetishists, so perhaps nice men feet do not exist. I guess people only like Hobbit feet on actual Hobbits
If you ask me this is all a load of bunions.
(sorry about that - I mean how corny can you get?)
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The deluded people are those who opposed him. They should immediately have got together and selected a unity candidate.
As it is their party is about to disintegrate.
"Jeremy Corbyn"
Jeremy.
Jeremy.
I'd sit alone and watch you rant
My truest friend – the militant
And everything we'd need to be
We heard it from our Jeremy
You gave them all those old time lines
Ban the bomb, preserve the mines
You made 'em laugh, you made 'em cry
You made us feel like we could fly.
Jeremy.
So don't become some background noise
A backdrop for the girls and boys
Who just don't know or just don't care
And just complain when you're not there
You had your time, you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Jeremy, Jeremy.
All we hear is Jeremy Corbyn
Jeremy goo goo
Jeremy Corbyn
All we hear is Jeremy Corbyn
Jeremy blah blah
Jeremy, what's new?
Jeremy, someone still loves you!
I don't think humans are set up to view themselves a part of some global whole without any form of prejudice - its impossible to genuinely care about everyone beyond a passive sense of humanity. Tribes, and nations form to allow us to care about larger groups in some way beyond our immediate familial circle without overwhelming us.
But it's like the story of Brown pissing himself at a press conference, or the fictional speeches classical historians sometimes made up. It's indicative of the broader picture that it can be entertained as a serious episode in the life of the man who might well be Labour leader.
There was more to it: Fraud, bomb-hoax, and attempted robbery.
Part of the problem is, as discussions on here show all the time, that people think of 'moving forward' and 'moving backwards' differently.
Recent events have only accelerated my fall off the fence towards 'leave', though. I've got no confidence that the EU wants to be a coherent, democratic force, rather than an extended Greater Germany.
I remember going ski-ing in Austria in the 1980s. One of our party was a black guy, and I can remember a racist bunch of locals tutting and eyebrow raising when he got into a cable car with us.
I seriously wanted to slot those Austrians.
'Migrants/Asylum seeking families'
I'm pretty sure you're right that the ones I saw coming over from Italy were looking for a job and were almost cerainly from Africa not the Middle East. They were nearly all men and nearly all in their 20's.
But what a strange world where we accept the lottery that says people who have been prepared to walk continents to find work are not entitled because they're taking privileges that are rightfully ours.
If it's got to be a survival of the fittest then we should open our borders to make it a fair contest.
Talking of fairness..... I've again been hearing Paula Radcliffe's husband explaining why she's not a cheat. A very difficult argument to make for a family who have chosen to avoid tax in Monaco
Today poverty is an iphone 5 when your peers have an iphone 6. Poverty is your mother being so stupid that she doesnt know how to boil potatoes and pasta, that she buys ready meals instead. Poverty is having to buy your clothes at tesco, and driving a car more than five years old.
People have no idea how grinding and miserable life used to be for so many people.
Is that Breslau quote genuine?
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster-who-killed-obama-s-grandfather
So now construction has stalled, manufacturing has stalled and unemployment is creeping up.
But Osborne prefers to play HMS Pinafore at Faslane.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11857890/UK-construction-sector-shrinks-as-housebuilding-stalls.html
We have experienced it in Germany, though. It was at a low level, although still far from pleasant.
The German experience with the Turks should give many Syrians wanting to settle there long term pause for thought.
(*) As an aside, something similar happened t me in Cambridge a few weeks ago. As I was passing a woman, she spat over her shoulder, the spittle landing on the pram near the wheels. Not pleasant, but I'm fairly sure it was not targeted.
I look at the intolerance in Russia, the religious bigotry in the USA, the mess that is Africa and the Middle East and I get more and more glad that I was born here. It was a lucky accident for me, I understand that, and lots of people are worse off so I can understand why so many want to come here, but this place will only stay good and continue to work as well as it does if all those arriving accept the standards and rules that are already in place.
It will benefit nobody, especially migrants and refugees, if this country is reduced to the levels of barbarism displayed elsewhere in the world. If patriotism is all about keeping what works working for the benefit of all of us here - including migrants - then I am in favour of it
There is increasingly no way I can square the enthusiasts idea that he is just a misunderstood and Tory-press smeared peacenik, which still holds a lot of currency within the cult, you cannot escape the conclusion that he is actively anti-Western and holds close to any anti-Western violent cause.
half a million civilians slaughtered in one day? Total nonsense. 20k max.
(one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic, etc etc..)
The death toll attributed to the raid is also inflated about four-fold.
We are not part of that and it seems increasingly likely we will not be. What is at issue is where we stand in respect of this. Do we orbit the EU from within but at a distance or do we orbit the EU from being part of the EEA.
We are not in Schengen. If in the EEA we would be outside the political aspects the parliament etc - but have no say in the rules. We would still be part of the single market and part of free movement of labour.
It would be little different from now. The issue of refugees and migrants is not going to to away. The EU will not go away. If the EU welcome them in with us not in the EU that will be no different from now.
We may be better of out than in or vice versa but life outside will be very little different and no magic bed of roses. Either way we need to stay out of Schengen and the only way we might possibly be dragooned into it is by leaving the EU. Norway is in Schengen but not in the EU.
Does Corbyn support Schengen?
For instance this story today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-34218184
It's all wrong, but some on the left seem to condone some of it as being 'okay'.
1847 is presumably just a dyslexic typo.
And yet almost no-one is calling this con out on what it is. The left is clearly just retreating into the simple moral certainties of 'anti-austerity' and not bothering with anything that requires a bit of mental effort.
'If it's Khan vs Zac, it looks like it'll be the second consecutive mayoral election in which I don't vote. Do we know who the LD candidate is yet?'
Caroline Pidgeon is LD candidate ,the other candidate dropped out so no need for any vote by party members.
£45
*I know it was his first name.
https://t.co/QMnXNsParX
George Eaton
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I'm hearing that Sadiq Khan has won Labour's London mayoral nomination.
12:20 PM - 11 Sep 2015
The issue is the 'multiculturalism' excuse. The Left used it to allow people to specifically not integrate. The whole point of people being allowed into these islands is that they should want to integrate. As such they will be a benefit - not on benefits.
Lets not forget that Cameron made a speech some time ago repudiating multiculturalism.
I don't quite know what it is about flip flops, but they give all the wrong vibes. Only wearing a football shirt is more likely to make me wince. Your sister-in-law definitely wore her SoulMate goggles.
When I was a kid we used to rush out into the street and shovel up the shit to put on my dad's roses.
It does show that 'stop the war' are a bunch of dangerous lunatics
It's obviously a bunch of nutters on the internet but that bunch of nutters has Jezza as a figurehead. He probably believes every word because he wants to.
I still believe Labour won't elect 'the nutter on the bus', but if they do, they deserve all they get.
http://theconversation.com/win-or-lose-corbyn-could-still-save-labour-from-electoral-wipeout-47328?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+conversationedu+(The+Conversation)&utm_content=FeedBurner
Orthodox Jews, I think, are a distinct ethnic (as well as religious) group, as you can only be born into it. I forget the proper term for non-orthodox Judaism, but it is possible to convert to that (if my old religious studies class was right).
But isnt it sweet when Lefties quote Nazi propaganda?
'Dresden the major rail and road junction 70 miles from the front with hopelessly inadequate civilian air raid protection Jewel Box was a War Crime'
J. Goebbels
There is as, I am sure many know, lots of other links about silk and also this business about genetically modified goats! There have been various stuff about it all on TV. Its suggested that if Franz Ferdinand had been wearing his silk bullet proof vest....
People will cotton on to malcolmg as an MI7 plant!
It's 10 days JSA.
(sorry about that - I mean how corny can you get?)
Final round of voting: Jowell 33,573 votes (41.1%), Sadiq Khan 48,152 (58.9%) - Sadiq Khan wins nomination for Labour London Mayor candidate